Chemo killed Patrick Swayze

headscratcher4 · 18th September 2009, 01:23 PM

http://www.nypost.com/p/pagesix/holi...ZS5Cz1ja2EiEcO

At least according to that internationally known expert Susan Somers...apparently, in her expert opinion, nutrition would have chased those old toxins away. If only medical science would listen!

McHrozni · 18th September 2009, 01:23 PM

Yes, and untreated pancreatic cancer is 95% fatal within 6 months (and ~100% in 24) because ...?

McHrozni

headscratcher4 · 18th September 2009, 01:27 PM

Originally Posted by McHrozni

Yes, and untreated pancreatic cancer is 95% fatal within 6 months (and ~100% in 24) because ...?

DON'T YOU READ: they didn't use a nutritional approach to clean out the toxins. I mean, if you can't trust Susan Somers for sound health advice for dealing with a killer condition like pancreatic cancer, who can you trust?

McHrozni · 18th September 2009, 01:28 PM

McHrozni

I'll_buy_that · 18th September 2009, 01:38 PM

Toxins! It's the toxins people!

headscratcher4 · 18th September 2009, 01:43 PM

You see...a good nutritional supplement will grab those old nasty toxins and pull them out of the body just like a magnent (or Laitril enema). If only she could have reached him before he died! Well, she could still help ...maybe she could go to MD Anderson or Mass General and let the doctors know there that there are better ways to fight those old nasty cancer causing toxins.

Safe-Keeper · 18th September 2009, 01:43 PM

Oh my god! Chemotherapy is bad for you! News at ten!

:facepalm:

They need to do some research on amputation, though. It seems it can cause you to lose limbs.

dudalb · 18th September 2009, 02:16 PM

I am going to wait for the expert opinions of Jenny McCarthy and Tom Cruise.

Modified · 18th September 2009, 02:22 PM

Originally Posted by headscratcher4

http://www.nypost.com/p/pagesix/holi...ZS5Cz1ja2EiEcO

At least according to that internationally known expert Susan Somers...apparently, in her expert opinion, nutrition would have chased those old toxins away. If only medical science would listen!

That is complete nonsense. You can't cure cancer with nutrition - you need a colon cleanse.

oldhat · 18th September 2009, 02:24 PM

One word: Chakras.

headscratcher4 · 18th September 2009, 02:29 PM

Originally Posted by Modified

That is complete nonsense. You can't cure cancer with nutrition - you need a colon cleanse.

Well...if you don't eat (nuitrition) you, logically, will have little to clear out of that colon.

paximperium · 18th September 2009, 02:45 PM

There is a strong correlation between chemo and death...I wonder why?

Shadowdweller · 18th September 2009, 02:46 PM

Particularly ironic, that nutritional bit, given that it was pancreatic cancer.

headscratcher4 · 18th September 2009, 02:54 PM

In fact, there's a strong correlation between nutrition and death. Historically, everyone who has ever eaten nutritious food -- whether or not they were trying to clear toxins -- has died. More to the point there's a pretty good chance that anyone alive now eating nutritiously will also die.

casebro · 18th September 2009, 03:02 PM

Originally Posted by headscratcher4

In fact, there's a strong correlation between nutrition and death. Historically, everyone who has ever eaten nutritious food -- whether or not they were trying to clear toxins -- has died. More to the point there's a pretty good chance that anyone alive now eating nutritiously will also die.

No, the death rate is only about 50%. Urban legend has it that there are as many people alive today as have ever lived before .

There for, the ONLY people who have died ate un-processed food.

There for, processed food make us immortal.

headscratcher4 · 18th September 2009, 03:03 PM

Can't fault the logic there. You got me.

jimtron · 18th September 2009, 03:20 PM

Originally Posted by dudalb

I am going to wait for the expert opinions of Jenny McCarthy and Tom Cruise.

Might check with Jeremy Piven too--maybe Swayze was a sushi-eater...if only Swayze had eaten better and used the Thigh Master...

Safe-Keeper · 18th September 2009, 03:23 PM

Originally Posted by paximperium

There is a strong correlation between chemo and death...I wonder why?

There's also strongly correlation with particularly vicious kinds of cancer. Coincidence? I think not.

Apathia · 18th September 2009, 03:30 PM

I lost a dear friend to pancreatic cancer in January.
She was able to hold on for two years in part because of the chemo. The disease would have taken her much sooner.

But it was only able to slow the progress, and realizing the inevitable, she stopped so that the last few months of her life would be easier.

People were always throwing 'cancer cures" at her.
But the worst thing was the blame: all those new Age bozoids who told her negative emotions had brought on her cancer, and that if she really believed in a loved herself, the disease would vanish.
Many told her she had decided on this particular path of suffering before her birth into this life.

Savannah was a very positive and loving person.
But people want a story to explain that which makes no sense to our personal aspirations.

cwalner · 18th September 2009, 03:55 PM

Originally Posted by Shadowdweller

Particularly ironic, that nutritional bit, given that it was pancreatic cancer.

Tell me about it. I lost my mom to pancreatic cancer about 10 years ago.
Seeing what she was like at the end, I was convinced at the time that she did not die directly from the cancer, but from malnutrition resulting from the cancer, because it was just too painful for her to eat.

Anybody who has watched somebody suffer from this form of cancer knows that it is difficult enough to get the patient any nutrition period. much less a nutritional supplement.

Also, I know for a fact that my mom did not die from the chemo, because she progressed too quickly after the diagnosis, that she was never considered well enough to even receive chemo. Her treatment mostly consisted of measures to reduce the pain and suffering, it was already too late to consider any treatment to delay the dissease.

Although miss Sommers did get one thing right.

Quote:

"They took a beautiful man" and "put poison in his body,"

Patrick Swayze is in fact a beautifal man and chemotherapy is in fact poison. As I understand it that is the point. The hope is that it kills off the cancer cells before it damages the patient too severely. Considering no treatment typically means death, doctors and their patients are willing to take that kind of risk with cancer treatments.

blutoski · 18th September 2009, 04:27 PM

Originally Posted by casebro

There for, processed food make us immortal.

I attribute this to all the preservatives.

blutoski · 18th September 2009, 04:35 PM

Originally Posted by dudalb

I am going to wait for the expert opinions of Jenny McCarthy and Tom Cruise.

Well, if being less qualified is its own paradoxical qualification, I'd like to wait until the Harlem Globetrotters weigh in. Or the cast from Cats.

ETA: Or that pan flute busker at the Quay. He looks about as medically inexperienced as you can get.

JJM · 18th September 2009, 04:51 PM

Originally Posted by Apathia

I lost a dear friend to pancreatic cancer in January. ...

People were always throwing 'cancer cures" at her. ...

Sorry for your loss.

UK journalist John Diamond wrote columns chronicling his terminal cancer, thay have been gathered into a book (Snake Oil). He wrote that he received a lot of letters with people encouraging him saying that they have survived many years on chemotherapy. He never got similar letters from people on quack therapies.

Gilmar · 18th September 2009, 04:57 PM

Orac writes about it here:
http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/20...t_until_he.php

Safe-Keeper · 18th September 2009, 05:10 PM

Quote:

UK journalist John Diamond wrote columns chronicling his terminal cancer, thay have been gathered into a book (Snake Oil). He wrote that he received a lot of letters with people encouraging him saying that they have survived many years on chemotherapy. He never got similar letters from people on quack therapies.

There was a forum thread on this some time back. It was called Doing the least to save your life or something, and the OP detailed his/her struggle with cancer and various alternative treatments from various buddies.

brodski · 18th September 2009, 05:27 PM

Originally Posted by JJM

Sorry for your loss.

UK journalist John Diamond wrote columns chronicling his terminal cancer, thay have been gathered into a book (Snake Oil). He wrote that he received a lot of letters with people encouraging him saying that they have survived many years on chemotherapy. He never got similar letters from people on quack therapies.

John Diaomond's writings on this are fantastic (but depressing), I also seond Safe-keeper's recomendantipon of Ducky's threads about his cancer fight and the ********* who promote snake oil.

Perpetual Student · 18th September 2009, 05:29 PM

Don't forget the power of prayer.

jhunter1163 · 18th September 2009, 05:40 PM

With a few notable exceptions (pancreatic, liver and ovarian cancer come to mind), cancer survival rates have improved dramatically over the last twenty years or so. For the big four (breast, colon, prostate and leukemias) the five-year survival rates are now in the 80's, thanks to better screening tests and better therapies.

Chemo is hard on your body, make no mistake about that. But if I or someone I loved was diagnosed with cancer, I'd be demanding chemo, no ifs, ands or buts.

lightfire22000 · 18th September 2009, 06:15 PM

A good example of how correlation does not imply causation comes to mind.

In the days of naturopathic dominance in medicine, not as many people got cancer and died as a result. Of course, many people didn't live long enough to get it.

Ducky · 18th September 2009, 06:15 PM

Originally Posted by brodski

John Diaomond's writings on this are fantastic (but depressing), I also seond Safe-keeper's recomendantipon of Ducky's threads about his cancer fight and the ********* who promote snake oil.

lightfire22000 · 18th September 2009, 06:16 PM

Originally Posted by Perpetual Student

Don't forget the power of prayer.

It made Peter Popoff a millionaire.

Ranb · 18th September 2009, 11:25 PM

After my wife had her hysterectomy, we had an appointment with an oncologist. He explained the options (usual chemo treatment, trials, radiation, nothing) and then said that if she did not have chemo the cancer would most likely come back and kill her. Blunt, but it is better that way. While being blunt leaves little room for comfort, it sure beats a doctor who leaves out details to spare a person's feelings.

While the chemo my wife was on did not make her sick, we may have to try a different, more aggressive course of chemo if this one did not do the job. The years will tell. I am thankful that no quacks have tried to bend our ears. We were offered an aroma therapy trial at the hospital, but as she had little nausea, the therapy did not take place.

Ranb

Mojo · 19th September 2009, 02:39 AM

Originally Posted by headscratcher4

http://www.nypost.com/p/pagesix/holi...ZS5Cz1ja2EiEcO

Quote:

I hate to be this controversial . . . but

Another of those "I ... but" statements that are almost inevitably revealed to be untrue by whatever else the person says at the same time.

Dr. Imago · 20th September 2009, 10:10 AM

I just gotta add (on a bit more sober note)...

The guy lived a relatively long time with this otherwise highly fatal diagnosis. I was involved in clinical research for pancreatic adenocarcinoma for over three years prior to going to medical school.

Suffice to say that the median survival with Stage IV adenoCA of the pancreas is five months - with or without treatment. The five-year mortality rate is 95%. It makes this diagnosis, among the cancers, to be one of the most - if not the most - deadly.

Living for 20 months with this diagnosis, including being able to shoot a T.V. series after being diagnosed, speaks volumes to the incredible care this man received.

~Dr. Imago

18th September 2009, 01:23 PM	#1
headscratcher4 Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: USA Posts: 6,424	Chemo killed Patrick Swayze http://www.nypost.com/p/pagesix/holi...ZS5Cz1ja2EiEcO At least according to that internationally known expert Susan Somers...apparently, in her expert opinion, nutrition would have chased those old toxins away. If only medical science would listen!
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18th September 2009, 01:23 PM	#2
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18th September 2009, 01:27 PM	#3
headscratcher4 Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: USA Posts: 6,424	Originally Posted by McHrozni Yes, and untreated pancreatic cancer is 95% fatal within 6 months (and ~100% in 24) because ...? DON'T YOU READ: they didn't use a nutritional approach to clean out the toxins. I mean, if you can't trust Susan Somers for sound health advice for dealing with a killer condition like pancreatic cancer, who can you trust?
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18th September 2009, 01:38 PM	#5
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18th September 2009, 01:43 PM	#6
headscratcher4 Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: USA Posts: 6,424	You see...a good nutritional supplement will grab those old nasty toxins and pull them out of the body just like a magnent (or Laitril enema). If only she could have reached him before he died! Well, she could still help ...maybe she could go to MD Anderson or Mass General and let the doctors know there that there are better ways to fight those old nasty cancer causing toxins.
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Safe-Keeper Illuminator Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Bergen, Norway Posts: 4,373	Oh my god! Chemotherapy is bad for you! News at ten! :facepalm: They need to do some research on amputation, though. It seems it can cause you to lose limbs.
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18th September 2009, 02:16 PM	#8
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 14,444	I am going to wait for the expert opinions of Jenny McCarthy and Tom Cruise.

18th September 2009, 02:22 PM	#9
Modified Graduate Poster Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: SW Florida Posts: 1,905	Originally Posted by headscratcher4 http://www.nypost.com/p/pagesix/holi...ZS5Cz1ja2EiEcO At least according to that internationally known expert Susan Somers...apparently, in her expert opinion, nutrition would have chased those old toxins away. If only medical science would listen! That is complete nonsense. You can't cure cancer with nutrition - you need a colon cleanse.

18th September 2009, 02:24 PM	#10
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18th September 2009, 02:29 PM	#11
headscratcher4 Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: USA Posts: 6,424	Originally Posted by Modified That is complete nonsense. You can't cure cancer with nutrition - you need a colon cleanse. Well...if you don't eat (nuitrition) you, logically, will have little to clear out of that colon.
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18th September 2009, 02:45 PM	#12
paximperium Philosopher Join Date: May 2008 Location: Silicon Valley-Stuck between Google and Apple Posts: 7,800	There is a strong correlation between chemo and death...I wonder why?
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18th September 2009, 02:46 PM	#13
Shadowdweller Critical Thinker Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 255	Particularly ironic, that nutritional bit, given that it was pancreatic cancer.

18th September 2009, 02:54 PM	#14
headscratcher4 Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: USA Posts: 6,424	In fact, there's a strong correlation between nutrition and death. Historically, everyone who has ever eaten nutritious food -- whether or not they were trying to clear toxins -- has died. More to the point there's a pretty good chance that anyone alive now eating nutritiously will also die.
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18th September 2009, 03:02 PM	#15
casebro Illuminator Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 3,728	Originally Posted by headscratcher4 In fact, there's a strong correlation between nutrition and death. Historically, everyone who has ever eaten nutritious food -- whether or not they were trying to clear toxins -- has died. More to the point there's a pretty good chance that anyone alive now eating nutritiously will also die. No, the death rate is only about 50%. Urban legend has it that there are as many people alive today as have ever lived before . There for, the ONLY people who have died ate un-processed food. There for, processed food make us immortal.
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18th September 2009, 03:03 PM	#16
headscratcher4 Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: USA Posts: 6,424	Can't fault the logic there. You got me.
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18th September 2009, 03:20 PM	#17
jimtron Master Poster Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Chicago Posts: 2,341	Originally Posted by dudalb I am going to wait for the expert opinions of Jenny McCarthy and Tom Cruise. Might check with Jeremy Piven too--maybe Swayze was a sushi-eater...if only Swayze had eaten better and used the Thigh Master...
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Safe-Keeper Illuminator Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Bergen, Norway Posts: 4,373	Originally Posted by paximperium There is a strong correlation between chemo and death...I wonder why? There's also strongly correlation with particularly vicious kinds of cancer. Coincidence? I think not.
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18th September 2009, 03:30 PM	#19
Apathia Master Poster Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 2,266	I lost a dear friend to pancreatic cancer in January. She was able to hold on for two years in part because of the chemo. The disease would have taken her much sooner. But it was only able to slow the progress, and realizing the inevitable, she stopped so that the last few months of her life would be easier. People were always throwing 'cancer cures" at her. But the worst thing was the blame: all those new Age bozoids who told her negative emotions had brought on her cancer, and that if she really believed in a loved herself, the disease would vanish. Many told her she had decided on this particular path of suffering before her birth into this life. Savannah was a very positive and loving person. But people want a story to explain that which makes no sense to our personal aspirations.
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18th September 2009, 03:55 PM	#20
cwalner Graduate Poster Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Deepest Darkest Indiana Posts: 1,354	Originally Posted by Shadowdweller Particularly ironic, that nutritional bit, given that it was pancreatic cancer. Tell me about it. I lost my mom to pancreatic cancer about 10 years ago. Seeing what she was like at the end, I was convinced at the time that she did not die directly from the cancer, but from malnutrition resulting from the cancer, because it was just too painful for her to eat. Anybody who has watched somebody suffer from this form of cancer knows that it is difficult enough to get the patient any nutrition period. much less a nutritional supplement. Also, I know for a fact that my mom did not die from the chemo, because she progressed too quickly after the diagnosis, that she was never considered well enough to even receive chemo. Her treatment mostly consisted of measures to reduce the pain and suffering, it was already too late to consider any treatment to delay the dissease. Although miss Sommers did get one thing right. Quote: "They took a beautiful man" and "put poison in his body," Patrick Swayze is in fact a beautifal man and chemotherapy is in fact poison. As I understand it that is the point. The hope is that it kills off the cancer cells before it damages the patient too severely. Considering no treatment typically means death, doctors and their patients are willing to take that kind of risk with cancer treatments.
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18th September 2009, 04:27 PM	#21
blutoski Illuminator Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 4,401	Originally Posted by casebro There for, processed food make us immortal. I attribute this to all the preservatives.
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18th September 2009, 04:35 PM	#22
blutoski Illuminator Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 4,401	Originally Posted by dudalb I am going to wait for the expert opinions of Jenny McCarthy and Tom Cruise. Well, if being less qualified is its own paradoxical qualification, I'd like to wait until the Harlem Globetrotters weigh in. Or the cast from Cats. ETA: Or that pan flute busker at the Quay. He looks about as medically inexperienced as you can get.
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18th September 2009, 04:51 PM	#23
JJM Graduate Poster Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 1,720	Originally Posted by Apathia I lost a dear friend to pancreatic cancer in January. ... People were always throwing 'cancer cures" at her. ... Sorry for your loss. UK journalist John Diamond wrote columns chronicling his terminal cancer, thay have been gathered into a book (Snake Oil). He wrote that he received a lot of letters with people encouraging him saying that they have survived many years on chemotherapy. He never got similar letters from people on quack therapies.
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18th September 2009, 04:57 PM	#24
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18th September 2009, 05:10 PM	#25
Safe-Keeper Illuminator Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Bergen, Norway Posts: 4,373	Quote: UK journalist John Diamond wrote columns chronicling his terminal cancer, thay have been gathered into a book (Snake Oil). He wrote that he received a lot of letters with people encouraging him saying that they have survived many years on chemotherapy. He never got similar letters from people on quack therapies. There was a forum thread on this some time back. It was called Doing the least to save your life or something, and the OP detailed his/her struggle with cancer and various alternative treatments from various buddies.
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18th September 2009, 05:27 PM	#26
brodski faceless bureaucrat Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: the three Chiltern Hundreds of Stoke, Desborough and Burnham Posts: 11,789	Originally Posted by JJM Sorry for your loss. UK journalist John Diamond wrote columns chronicling his terminal cancer, thay have been gathered into a book (Snake Oil). He wrote that he received a lot of letters with people encouraging him saying that they have survived many years on chemotherapy. He never got similar letters from people on quack therapies. John Diaomond's writings on this are fantastic (but depressing), I also seond Safe-keeper's recomendantipon of Ducky's threads about his cancer fight and the ********* who promote snake oil.
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18th September 2009, 05:40 PM	#28
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18th September 2009, 06:15 PM	#29
lightfire22000 Muse Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Nashville, TN. Posts: 689	A good example of how correlation does not imply causation comes to mind. In the days of naturopathic dominance in medicine, not as many people got cancer and died as a result. Of course, many people didn't live long enough to get it.

18th September 2009, 06:15 PM	#30
Ducky Titanium Superhero Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Saint Paul, Minnesota Posts: 10,769	Originally Posted by brodski John Diaomond's writings on this are fantastic (but depressing), I also seond Safe-keeper's recomendantipon of Ducky's threads about his cancer fight and the ********* who promote snake oil. Ask and ye shall recieve, in chronological order from my joining this forum: http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=45386 http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=46555 http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=53722 http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=55875 http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=55887 http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=78409 http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=64471 http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=139126 I'll respond to this thread when I have more of a chance to put thoughts together.

18th September 2009, 06:16 PM	#31
lightfire22000 Muse Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Nashville, TN. Posts: 689	Originally Posted by Perpetual Student Don't forget the power of prayer. It made Peter Popoff a millionaire.

18th September 2009, 11:25 PM	#32
Ranb Graduate Poster Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 1,855	After my wife had her hysterectomy, we had an appointment with an oncologist. He explained the options (usual chemo treatment, trials, radiation, nothing) and then said that if she did not have chemo the cancer would most likely come back and kill her. Blunt, but it is better that way. While being blunt leaves little room for comfort, it sure beats a doctor who leaves out details to spare a person's feelings. While the chemo my wife was on did not make her sick, we may have to try a different, more aggressive course of chemo if this one did not do the job. The years will tell. I am thankful that no quacks have tried to bend our ears. We were offered an aroma therapy trial at the hospital, but as she had little nausea, the therapy did not take place. Ranb
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19th September 2009, 02:39 AM	#33
Mojo Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Nor Flanden Posts: 14,927	Originally Posted by headscratcher4 http://www.nypost.com/p/pagesix/holi...ZS5Cz1ja2EiEcO Quote: I hate to be this controversial . . . but Another of those "I ... but" statements that are almost inevitably revealed to be untrue by whatever else the person says at the same time.
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20th September 2009, 10:10 AM	#34
Dr. Imago Graduate Poster Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 1,941	I just gotta add (on a bit more sober note)... The guy lived a relatively long time with this otherwise highly fatal diagnosis. I was involved in clinical research for pancreatic adenocarcinoma for over three years prior to going to medical school. Suffice to say that the median survival with Stage IV adenoCA of the pancreas is five months - with or without treatment. The five-year mortality rate is 95%. It makes this diagnosis, among the cancers, to be one of the most - if not the most - deadly. Living for 20 months with this diagnosis, including being able to shoot a T.V. series after being diagnosed, speaks volumes to the incredible care this man received. ~Dr. Imago
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