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Illuminator
Join Date: Jun 2007
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Evidence for why we know A. A. Milne told the truth
In the "Do Most Atheists know that Science..." thread I mentioned Norman Guzzler and Frank Turok's book called "I Don't Have Enough Faith to Be an Amilneist" a few times because of its clear explanations of scientific theories. But, yes, they did talk about more than science!
In chapter 11 of their book they give the top 10 reasons we know Winnie the Pooh's writer told the truth. I'll mention some of those reasons and maybe expound on them as time permits. Reason #1 A. A. Milne included embarrassing details about both his Alter Ego in the book. For example, he portrays himself dragging poor Winnie the Pooh after him down a flight of stairs, to the latter's understandable discomfort. Reason #2 A. A. Milne Included Embarrassing Details and Difficult Sayings of Winnie. For example in one passage Winnie is portrayed as a glutton, and in another he found himself stuck in the entrance to Rabbit's hole after consuming so enough honey to build up an internal fat depot that rendered him unable to get through. Reason #3 The NT Writers Left in Very Demanding Sayings of Jesus. For example: (Matthew 5:28) "I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart". And (Matt. 5:44-45) "I tell you Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you... As the book says "They certainly didn't make up a story that made life easier for themselves." Reason #4 A. A. Milne Describes Miracles Like Other Historical Events: With Simple, Unembellished Accounts. For example, he speaks of how various animals pig are attacked by tigers without the latter causing him any harm. He has a donkey build himself a house out of twigs. He describes how the various animals are able to speak English to each others. |
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* subscribes to thread and waits eagerly *
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Illuminator
Join Date: Jun 2007
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You seem to not take this seriously enough. What about the fact that I, with my 3,748 posts on these forums, take this seriously? Do you really think that A. A. Milne's story, one of the most successful tales of our time with millions of readers, could be nothing but a work of fiction?
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"Then my war dogs joined the fray. I have to say I'm a bit afraid of them. One of the bitches actually gave birth while she was attacking, and her puppies joined in on the carnage." --the awesomeness that is Boatmurdered |
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Join Date: Jun 2008
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Some people take Morris Dancing seriously - I'm yet to be convinced!
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Illuminator
Join Date: Jun 2007
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Do you see anyone seriously defending Morris Dancing? I, on the other hand, have made two posts in this thread already, and so have you. Obviously there is a clear difference in credibility here.
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"Then my war dogs joined the fray. I have to say I'm a bit afraid of them. One of the bitches actually gave birth while she was attacking, and her puppies joined in on the carnage." --the awesomeness that is Boatmurdered |
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Butterbeans and Breadcrumbs
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Why mention such an anti-semitic practice as morris dancing in this thread???
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I think you'll find it's a little bit more complicated than that. |
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Archaeologists have found this bridge exactly where it was described to be.
The rest of the book must therefore be true. |
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"Reality is what's left when you cease to believe." Philip K. Dick Now completely free. |
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Illuminator
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(actually, if you look at DOC's post, it lists only the points 1, 2 and 3, and then 9 and 10. I stole the points from his OP, and had to cut #10).
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"Then my war dogs joined the fray. I have to say I'm a bit afraid of them. One of the bitches actually gave birth while she was attacking, and her puppies joined in on the carnage." --the awesomeness that is Boatmurdered |
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Illuminator
Join Date: Jul 2008
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Millions of children have stuffed teddy bears they have named "Pooh". Would millions of children have stuffed teddy bears named "Pooh" if they didn't believe the story to be true?
The latin translation is the only latin translation of any book ever to have appeared on the New York Times best seller list and that only two years after it was first published in English. Therefore it must be true. |
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I believe that in the holy book, it's spelled "hunny," at least on Pooh's hunny jar.
Oh, yeah, there really is a place called England, so the books must be true. And what about this?
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I need to confess that whenever I look at Safe-Keepers avatar, there is a better than even chance that I will be seeing a portrait shot of a Californian Condor
![]() which then will do the perception-toggle thingy (old woman, young woman) into the dog in a life-vest. It is highly disconcerting. Whew, it's good to have that off my chest though!
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Science is about finding out which untruths can be asserted so as to make the system tractable, while still achieving an adequate account of what will appear. They had no god; they had no gods; they had no faith. What they appear to have had is a working metaphor. - Ursula K. Le Guin, "Always Coming Home" |
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Cythraul Enfys
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And, is Pooh's name Edwards? Is that really his real name? If not, why does he live under it? Is he using an alias? Is he trying to avoid being on the Sex Offender List in the Woods? Just asking questions, you know!
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Join Date: Oct 2008
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Gday all,
There are well over a dozen posts in this thread ! And incredibly, some posters have MULTIPLE posts !!! That clearly and conclusively proves A.A. Milne told the truth. K. |
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Thinker
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Hmm I think we are getting a bit ahead of ourselves.
We should really wait 100-200 years till the books have been retranslated, retold in different formats and whole new storys added in. Then we can hold a meeting to decide which elements of the pooh story are canon and which are heresy. That will add an air of credibility to the proceedings! |
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Heretic Pharaoh
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A. A. Milne told the truth.
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Penultimate Amazing
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I'm convinced. Where do I join up?
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Thinker
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Some of the most moving experiences in my life have involved Pooh.
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Master Poster
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Where is Doc when you need him?
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"Reality is what's left when you cease to believe." Philip K. Dick Now completely free. |
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That could work!!!
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Disney Pooh is heresy!
![]() The Milne/Shepard Pooh is the only true Pooh. ![]() Disney Pooh is a sham. Denounce sham Pooh! |
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We were at a Disney store today at the mall. While there were plenty of Tiggers and Piglets, the large stuffed Poohs were sold out. Would the large stuffed Poohs have been sold out if A. A. Milne hadn't told the truth?
This is a new kind of logic that I refer to as DOgic. ETA: my two posts in this thread also testify to my veracity. |
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Just for the record, the texts of our current Pooh is near exact to the original transcripts. Unlike other books, we actually have first printings of the Pooh and are therefore completely confident in the author's true words.
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Not only that, but autograph manuscripts, too.
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The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts.Bertrand Russell I'd eat the arse out of a dead mole if it offered a fighting chance.Terry Pratchett The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the Supreme Being as his father, in the womb of a virgin, will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter.Thomas Jefferson |
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How does the sad donkey fit?
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