GOP Values Summit

thaiboxerken · 19th September 2009, 02:49 PM

Leaders of the GOP as well as Conservative celebrities are gathered to discuss the degradation of "values" in the USA. Some of their complaints are as follows:

Obama is promoting abortion and a culture of death.

Obama has Czars, and Czars are evil.

The Gays are trying to brainwash your kids in school.

Global Warming is an excuse to kill people, because if people are the problem..then what's the final solution?

Feminism has destroyed family values and the pride of men. We need a new "masculinism" right.

These people are outright weird and rather stupid. I have to wonder why anyone would want to associate with them.

daenku32 · 19th September 2009, 03:01 PM

Irony alert: Press banned from reporting on Media Courage Recipient O'Reilly's speech at the summit.

http://thinkprogress.org/2009/09/18/...press-courage/

Dr Adequate · 19th September 2009, 03:14 PM

Originally Posted by thaiboxerken

These people are outright weird and rather stupid. I have to wonder why anyone would want to associate with them.

Because they have votes.

Brainster · 19th September 2009, 03:58 PM

I really do wish more politicians would live up to the values they claim to represent--e.g., Sanford, Craig, etc.

Dr Adequate · 19th September 2009, 04:17 PM

Originally Posted by Brainster

I really do wish more politicians would live up to the values they claim to represent--e.g., Sanford, Craig, etc.

I wish they'd claim to represent the values they live up to. 'Cos that would be funny.

"I stand firmly on a platform of cheating on my wife, corruption in high office, apathy towards my elected duties, contempt towards the electorate, and hypocrisy in religion. But at least I'm not a liberal."

Wangler · 19th September 2009, 04:33 PM

I love the content of the original post, especially on a skeptics forum.

Pretty funny.

Dr Adequate · 19th September 2009, 04:55 PM

Originally Posted by Wangler

I love the content of the original post, especially on a skeptics forum.

Pretty funny.

Yeah, the only thing that makes it less than 100% amusing is that it's completely true. As satire it would be brilliant, the fact that it's straight reportage is slightly depressing.

hgc · 19th September 2009, 05:10 PM

Originally Posted by Wangler

I love the content of the original post, especially on a skeptics forum.

Pretty funny.

I love those posts where cranks wag their finger about what's supposed to be posted on a "skeptics forum."

MattusMaximus · 19th September 2009, 05:33 PM

<Sigh> So it seems the GOP is going to continue its trek down the rabbit hole...

gtc · 19th September 2009, 05:42 PM

Originally Posted by Dr Adequate

Yeah, the only thing that makes it less than 100% amusing is that it's completely true. As satire it would be brilliant, the fact that it's straight reportage is slightly depressing.

I think the problem he has with it is the same one I had. He has provided no sources for the story.

tyr_13 · 19th September 2009, 07:22 PM

Originally Posted by daenku32

Irony alert: Press banned from reporting on Media Courage Recipient O'Reilly's speech at the summit.

http://thinkprogress.org/2009/09/18/...press-courage/

Haha! "Bill will probably call it a Pulitzer anyway." Brilliant.

thaiboxerken · 19th September 2009, 11:04 PM

Originally Posted by gtc

I think the problem he has with it is the same one I had. He has provided no sources for the story.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/#32921316

Dr Adequate · 20th September 2009, 12:48 AM

Originally Posted by gtc

I think the problem he has with it is the same one I had. He has provided no sources for the story.

And I am not going to provide sources for my claim that the sun rose yesterday, but this does not warrant skepticism.

What is it you doubt? That this "Values Summit" occurred? I think not. Or that, given that it occurred, they whined about how "the gays are trying to brainwash your kids in school"?

Guess what, they did whine about that. In other news, the Pope has come out in favor of Catholicism. Stay tuned for our expose of the toilet habits of bears.

gtc · 20th September 2009, 12:50 AM

Originally Posted by thaiboxerken

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/#32921316

Thankyou. I had no reason to disbelieve you but I can see why some would.

I just hope the topics in your o/p weren't all they spoke about.

gtc · 20th September 2009, 12:55 AM

Originally Posted by Dr Adequate

And I am not going to provide sources for my claim that the sun rose yesterday, but this does not warrant skepticism.

What is it you doubt? That this "Values Summit" occurred? I think not. Or that, given that it occurred, they whined about how "the gays are trying to brainwash your kids in school"?

Guess what, they did whine about that. In other news, the Pope has come out in favor of Catholicism. Stay tuned for our expose of the toilet habits of bears.

Bored aren't you?

leftysergeant · 20th September 2009, 05:18 AM

That defrocked beauty queen looks like an utter nutbar with thiose wild eyes. Looks like she's tweaking.

SezMe · 21st September 2009, 12:23 AM

The straw poll was interesting:

Quote:

Taken at the Values Voter Summit, the poll had the former Arkansas governor winning with more than 28 percent of the vote, more than 16 points higher than his nearest rival, former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney. Activists considered nine candidates for the 2012 GOP presidential nomination in the poll.

.....

Romney was at the top of a tight pack for the runner-up spot in the straw poll. Following him was Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty, then former Alaska governor and 2008 vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin and then Rep. Mike Pence (R-Ind.). All hovered around above or below 12 percentage points of the vote.

Those earning under double digits percent-wise of the activists’ vote were Newt Gingrich, Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal and former Sen. Rick Santorum (R-Pa.). Despite an astonishing grassroots campaign for the White House last year, Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas) came in last among the candidates with little more than two percent of the vote, according to the poll’s results.

The Huckster v. Obama in 2012? The economy would have to dwarf the Depression for Huck to win. It'd be a blowout otherwise.

Dr Adequate · 21st September 2009, 12:29 AM

Originally Posted by gtc

Bored aren't you?

How could I be bored when I have your fascinating posts to enthrall and delight me?

Sporanox · 21st September 2009, 12:58 AM

Originally Posted by SezMe

The straw poll was interesting:

The Huckster v. Obama in 2012? The economy would have to dwarf the Depression for Huck to win. It'd be a blowout otherwise.

Sadly, yes.

psst Jindal 2012

SezMe · 21st September 2009, 01:55 AM

Jindal? Really? Where's the ~~cracker~~ values voter to go? To the nearest Winn-Dixie for some self-medication.

But seriously, it is WAY to early to take this speculation seriously. It's fun but nothing more. And that is how we should view the straw poll I cited.

Brainster · 21st September 2009, 02:06 AM

Originally Posted by SezMe

The straw poll was interesting:

The Huckster v. Obama in 2012? The economy would have to dwarf the Depression for Huck to win. It'd be a blowout otherwise.

Huck was a classic regional candidate in 2008; after his big win in Iowa he finished right around Ron Paul in New Hampshire. He was quite good in the Bible Belt and terrible outside it. So I see him doing the same in 2012 as he did back then; maybe he can push the numbers up a bit, but he was greeted with even more alarm than John McCain by most conservative bloggers and never seriously had a chance.

Which is why I don't see him running in 2012. But I would rate him a top contender in 2016 if the GOP doesn't boot Obama after one term. He's getting great face time on TV and he's the kind of guy who could definitely be the "heir apparent" that year.

SezMe · 21st September 2009, 03:09 AM

Jeez, Brainster, I've already noted that speculation about 2012 is premature but your willing to push out to 2016 by rating Huckabee a "top contender"? C'mon. I enjoy political banter with thoughtful folk such as you but this is too much. Why not conjure up a Meghan McCain candidacy?

tyr_13 · 21st September 2009, 08:08 AM

Originally Posted by SezMe

Why not conjure up a Meghan McCain candidacy?

That'd make too much sense.

David Wong · 21st September 2009, 10:29 AM

Palin's numbers are shockingly low to me. I would have thought she'd win the straw poll in a blowout.

Interesting.

leftysergeant · 21st September 2009, 10:37 AM

Meghan is actually the smart one.

GreyICE · 21st September 2009, 11:39 AM

Originally Posted by David Wong

Palin's numbers are shockingly low to me. I would have thought she'd win the straw poll in a blowout.

Interesting.

Just a theory, but I don't think you have to be entirely sane to realize that you can find smarter things than a Palin in a crackerjack box.

Also, quitting does not play well with the crazy conservative crowd, as evidenced by the fact that the last 8 years made no impact on their philosophy at all. At this point they're in the same boat as the modern-day communists who are convinced the USSR was just an abberation.

Darth Rotor · 21st September 2009, 11:54 AM

Originally Posted by GreyICE

Just a theory, but I don't think you have to be entirely sane to realize that you can find smarter things than a Palin in a crackerjack box.

In related news, Perot quit for a while during the 1992 campaign, due to (he said) threats to his daughter. He was doing well to that point.

What is unknowable is whether or not the momentum he had built early would have given him a shot at winning. I am certain (given I nearly voted for him, and didn't based in part on his choosing to quit in mid fight) that his lack of resolution, having chosen to enter the arena, to fight to win cost him immense support. As it was he got about nineteen percent of the vote.

That quitting thing strikes me as political suicide.

DR

GreyICE · 21st September 2009, 12:29 PM

Originally Posted by Darth Rotor

In related news, Perot quit for a while during the 1992 campaign, due to (he said) threats to his daughter. He was doing well to that point.

What is unknowable is whether or not the momentum he had built early would have given him a shot at winning. I am certain (given I nearly voted for him, and didn't based in part on his choosing to quit in mid fight) that his lack of resolution, having chosen to enter the arena, to fight to win cost him immense support. As it was he got about nineteen percent of the vote.

That quitting thing strikes me as political suicide.

DR

Well yeah, and it's completely rational. I mean if anyone in America is under immense stress, it's the President. Obama is currently getting savaged in a way that Palin could merely dream of (how many people called her the Antichrist, seriously, or called for her to be assassinated). Bush and Clinton didn't exactly face cakewalks. If Palin quits under the pressure she was under in Alaska, it seems logical for her to quit under the MUCH GREATER pressure she would face as President.

Darth Rotor · 21st September 2009, 12:33 PM

Originally Posted by GreyICE

Well yeah, and it's completely rational. I mean if anyone in America is under immense stress, it's the President. Obama is currently getting savaged in a way that Palin could merely dream of (how many people called her the Antichrist, seriously, or called for her to be assassinated). Bush and Clinton didn't exactly face cakewalks. If Palin quits under the pressure she was under in Alaska, it seems logical for her to quit under the MUCH GREATER pressure she would face as President.

She wasn't ready for prime time. Maybe my previous observation is correct, that the Palin principle is an explicit accompaniment of the Peter principle in the political arena: you go as far as your level of competence, and incompetence, allows.

No more level ups for Miss Wasalia.

tyr_13 · 21st September 2009, 02:09 PM

Originally Posted by leftysergeant

Meghan is actually the smart one.

For those of you who don't know, Meghan couldn't actually run for president in 2012 because she was born in 1984, a year after myself. If nothing else, know that she called Joe the Plumber a dumbass. She has a very well known blog.

I would however, like her number. If anyone has it...

Cleon · 21st September 2009, 02:12 PM

Originally Posted by tyr_13

For those of you who don't know, Meghan couldn't actually run for president in 2012 because she was born in 1984, a year after myself. If nothing else, know that she called Joe the Plumber a dumbass. She has a very well known blog.

So, as Lefty said, she's the smart one.

Quote:

I would however, like her number. If anyone has it...

Get in line.

Tsukasa Buddha · 21st September 2009, 02:50 PM

Are there any transcripts or videos of those seminars? I mean, with names like "The New Masculinity" and "Silencing Christians" I can't help but want to hear them.

SezMe · 21st September 2009, 03:23 PM

Originally Posted by tyr_13

For those of you who don't know, Meghan couldn't actually run for president in 2012 because she was born in 1984, a year after myself. If nothing else, know that she called Joe the Plumber a dumbass. She has a very well known blog.

Her name came up in the context of 2016.

Sporanox · 21st September 2009, 03:53 PM

Originally Posted by Cleon

So, as Lefty said, she's the smart one.

Megan isn't actually that great. She does have a few good points from here and there, but this is only the result of her blind reflex to attack her self-identified party striking a good target every once in a while.

One of the biggest problems with her? Voted for freaking Kerry/Edwards in '04. Bush wasn't exactly a conservative on a lot of issues, yet anybody could see the other ticket was way to his left.

A lot of people would probably like to see her just come out of the closet and change her party, but she loves the media attention a self-hating Republican picks up just by existing.

dudalb · 21st September 2009, 04:06 PM

Originally Posted by MattusMaximus

<Sigh> So it seems the GOP is going to continue its trek down the rabbit hole...

They have learned nothing and forgotton nothing.
Even if people disillusiioned with Obama, the Dems are still in a good position as long the GOP continues to cater to nobody outside the "Core" constuincies.

tyr_13 · 21st September 2009, 04:17 PM

Originally Posted by SezMe

Her name came up in the context of 2016.

When she'll be 31, and still too young to run.

EDIT: And I'll be 32 but still dead sexy.

Sporanox · 21st September 2009, 04:41 PM

Originally Posted by dudalb

They have learned nothing and forgotton nothing.
Even if people disillusiioned with Obama, the Dems are still in a good position as long the GOP continues to cater to nobody outside the "Core" constuincies.

The interesting thing about your perception is that you are placing this engagement in conventional terms of party (meaning, Beltway positions). Many self-identified conservatives today have given up on defending the GOP's current leadership. If a change is effected, and Republican leadership actually starts moving in a conservative direction, that could upset the balance.

19th September 2009, 02:49 PM	#1
thaiboxerken Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 13,315	GOP Values Summit Leaders of the GOP as well as Conservative celebrities are gathered to discuss the degradation of "values" in the USA. Some of their complaints are as follows: Obama is promoting abortion and a culture of death. Obama has Czars, and Czars are evil. The Gays are trying to brainwash your kids in school. Global Warming is an excuse to kill people, because if people are the problem..then what's the final solution? Feminism has destroyed family values and the pride of men. We need a new "masculinism" right. These people are outright weird and rather stupid. I have to wonder why anyone would want to associate with them.
	__________________ All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power & profit - Thomas Paine

19th September 2009, 03:01 PM	#2
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19th September 2009, 03:58 PM	#4
Brainster Philosopher Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,063	I really do wish more politicians would live up to the values they claim to represent--e.g., Sanford, Craig, etc.
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19th September 2009, 05:10 PM	#8
hgc Philosopher Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 9,013	Originally Posted by Wangler I love the content of the original post, especially on a skeptics forum. Pretty funny. I love those posts where cranks wag their finger about what's supposed to be posted on a "skeptics forum."
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19th September 2009, 05:33 PM	#9
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19th September 2009, 03:14 PM	#3
Dr Adequate Banned Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Waiting Long Enough By The River Posts: 17,902	Originally Posted by thaiboxerken These people are outright weird and rather stupid. I have to wonder why anyone would want to associate with them. Because they have votes.

19th September 2009, 04:17 PM	#5
Dr Adequate Banned Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Waiting Long Enough By The River Posts: 17,902	Originally Posted by Brainster I really do wish more politicians would live up to the values they claim to represent--e.g., Sanford, Craig, etc. I wish they'd claim to represent the values they live up to. 'Cos that would be funny. "I stand firmly on a platform of cheating on my wife, corruption in high office, apathy towards my elected duties, contempt towards the electorate, and hypocrisy in religion. But at least I'm not a liberal."

19th September 2009, 04:33 PM	#6
Wangler Graduate Poster Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: WA State Posts: 1,734	I love the content of the original post, especially on a skeptics forum. Pretty funny.

19th September 2009, 04:55 PM	#7
Dr Adequate Banned Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Waiting Long Enough By The River Posts: 17,902	Originally Posted by Wangler I love the content of the original post, especially on a skeptics forum. Pretty funny. Yeah, the only thing that makes it less than 100% amusing is that it's completely true. As satire it would be brilliant, the fact that it's straight reportage is slightly depressing.

19th September 2009, 05:42 PM	#10
gtc Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: the downunderverse Posts: 7,109	Originally Posted by Dr Adequate Yeah, the only thing that makes it less than 100% amusing is that it's completely true. As satire it would be brilliant, the fact that it's straight reportage is slightly depressing. I think the problem he has with it is the same one I had. He has provided no sources for the story.
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19th September 2009, 07:22 PM	#11
tyr_13 Illuminator Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 3,019	Originally Posted by daenku32 Irony alert: Press banned from reporting on Media Courage Recipient O'Reilly's speech at the summit. http://thinkprogress.org/2009/09/18/...press-courage/ Haha! "Bill will probably call it a Pulitzer anyway." Brilliant.
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19th September 2009, 11:04 PM	#12
thaiboxerken Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 13,315	Originally Posted by gtc I think the problem he has with it is the same one I had. He has provided no sources for the story. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/#32921316
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20th September 2009, 12:48 AM	#13
Dr Adequate Banned Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Waiting Long Enough By The River Posts: 17,902	Originally Posted by gtc I think the problem he has with it is the same one I had. He has provided no sources for the story. And I am not going to provide sources for my claim that the sun rose yesterday, but this does not warrant skepticism. What is it you doubt? That this "Values Summit" occurred? I think not. Or that, given that it occurred, they whined about how "the gays are trying to brainwash your kids in school"? Guess what, they did whine about that. In other news, the Pope has come out in favor of Catholicism. Stay tuned for our expose of the toilet habits of bears.

20th September 2009, 12:50 AM	#14
gtc Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: the downunderverse Posts: 7,109	Originally Posted by thaiboxerken http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/#32921316 Thankyou. I had no reason to disbelieve you but I can see why some would. I just hope the topics in your o/p weren't all they spoke about.
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20th September 2009, 12:55 AM	#15
gtc Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: the downunderverse Posts: 7,109	Originally Posted by Dr Adequate And I am not going to provide sources for my claim that the sun rose yesterday, but this does not warrant skepticism. What is it you doubt? That this "Values Summit" occurred? I think not. Or that, given that it occurred, they whined about how "the gays are trying to brainwash your kids in school"? Guess what, they did whine about that. In other news, the Pope has come out in favor of Catholicism. Stay tuned for our expose of the toilet habits of bears. Bored aren't you?
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20th September 2009, 05:18 AM	#16
leftysergeant Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Spanaway WA Posts: 6,717	That defrocked beauty queen looks like an utter nutbar with thiose wild eyes. Looks like she's tweaking.

21st September 2009, 12:23 AM	#17
SezMe Philosopher Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Santa Barbara, CA Posts: 9,129	The straw poll was interesting: Quote: Taken at the Values Voter Summit, the poll had the former Arkansas governor winning with more than 28 percent of the vote, more than 16 points higher than his nearest rival, former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney. Activists considered nine candidates for the 2012 GOP presidential nomination in the poll. ..... Romney was at the top of a tight pack for the runner-up spot in the straw poll. Following him was Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty, then former Alaska governor and 2008 vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin and then Rep. Mike Pence (R-Ind.). All hovered around above or below 12 percentage points of the vote. Those earning under double digits percent-wise of the activists’ vote were Newt Gingrich, Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal and former Sen. Rick Santorum (R-Pa.). Despite an astonishing grassroots campaign for the White House last year, Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas) came in last among the candidates with little more than two percent of the vote, according to the poll’s results. The Huckster v. Obama in 2012? The economy would have to dwarf the Depression for Huck to win. It'd be a blowout otherwise.

21st September 2009, 12:29 AM	#18
Dr Adequate Banned Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Waiting Long Enough By The River Posts: 17,902	Originally Posted by gtc Bored aren't you? How could I be bored when I have your fascinating posts to enthrall and delight me?

21st September 2009, 12:58 AM	#19
Sporanox Muse Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: in the black Posts: 837	Originally Posted by SezMe The straw poll was interesting: The Huckster v. Obama in 2012? The economy would have to dwarf the Depression for Huck to win. It'd be a blowout otherwise. Sadly, yes. psst Jindal 2012
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21st September 2009, 01:55 AM	#20
SezMe Philosopher Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Santa Barbara, CA Posts: 9,129	Jindal? Really? Where's the ~~cracker~~ values voter to go? To the nearest Winn-Dixie for some self-medication. But seriously, it is WAY to early to take this speculation seriously. It's fun but nothing more. And that is how we should view the straw poll I cited.

21st September 2009, 02:06 AM	#21
Brainster Philosopher Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,063	Originally Posted by SezMe The straw poll was interesting: The Huckster v. Obama in 2012? The economy would have to dwarf the Depression for Huck to win. It'd be a blowout otherwise. Huck was a classic regional candidate in 2008; after his big win in Iowa he finished right around Ron Paul in New Hampshire. He was quite good in the Bible Belt and terrible outside it. So I see him doing the same in 2012 as he did back then; maybe he can push the numbers up a bit, but he was greeted with even more alarm than John McCain by most conservative bloggers and never seriously had a chance. Which is why I don't see him running in 2012. But I would rate him a top contender in 2016 if the GOP doesn't boot Obama after one term. He's getting great face time on TV and he's the kind of guy who could definitely be the "heir apparent" that year.
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21st September 2009, 03:09 AM	#22
SezMe Philosopher Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Santa Barbara, CA Posts: 9,129	Jeez, Brainster, I've already noted that speculation about 2012 is premature but your willing to push out to 2016 by rating Huckabee a "top contender"? C'mon. I enjoy political banter with thoughtful folk such as you but this is too much. Why not conjure up a Meghan McCain candidacy?

21st September 2009, 08:08 AM	#23
tyr_13 Illuminator Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 3,019	Originally Posted by SezMe Why not conjure up a Meghan McCain candidacy? That'd make too much sense.
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21st September 2009, 10:29 AM	#24
David Wong Graduate Poster Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 1,697	Palin's numbers are shockingly low to me. I would have thought she'd win the straw poll in a blowout. Interesting.
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21st September 2009, 10:37 AM	#25
leftysergeant Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Spanaway WA Posts: 6,717	Meghan is actually the smart one.

21st September 2009, 11:39 AM	#26
GreyICE Philosopher Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 6,545	Originally Posted by David Wong Palin's numbers are shockingly low to me. I would have thought she'd win the straw poll in a blowout. Interesting. Just a theory, but I don't think you have to be entirely sane to realize that you can find smarter things than a Palin in a crackerjack box. Also, quitting does not play well with the crazy conservative crowd, as evidenced by the fact that the last 8 years made no impact on their philosophy at all. At this point they're in the same boat as the modern-day communists who are convinced the USSR was just an abberation.
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21st September 2009, 11:54 AM	#27
Darth Rotor Salted Sith Cynic Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Rat cheer Posts: 26,811	Originally Posted by GreyICE Just a theory, but I don't think you have to be entirely sane to realize that you can find smarter things than a Palin in a crackerjack box. In related news, Perot quit for a while during the 1992 campaign, due to (he said) threats to his daughter. He was doing well to that point. What is unknowable is whether or not the momentum he had built early would have given him a shot at winning. I am certain (given I nearly voted for him, and didn't based in part on his choosing to quit in mid fight) that his lack of resolution, having chosen to enter the arena, to fight to win cost him immense support. As it was he got about nineteen percent of the vote. That quitting thing strikes me as political suicide. DR
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21st September 2009, 12:29 PM	#28
GreyICE Philosopher Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 6,545	Originally Posted by Darth Rotor In related news, Perot quit for a while during the 1992 campaign, due to (he said) threats to his daughter. He was doing well to that point. What is unknowable is whether or not the momentum he had built early would have given him a shot at winning. I am certain (given I nearly voted for him, and didn't based in part on his choosing to quit in mid fight) that his lack of resolution, having chosen to enter the arena, to fight to win cost him immense support. As it was he got about nineteen percent of the vote. That quitting thing strikes me as political suicide. DR Well yeah, and it's completely rational. I mean if anyone in America is under immense stress, it's the President. Obama is currently getting savaged in a way that Palin could merely dream of (how many people called her the Antichrist, seriously, or called for her to be assassinated). Bush and Clinton didn't exactly face cakewalks. If Palin quits under the pressure she was under in Alaska, it seems logical for her to quit under the MUCH GREATER pressure she would face as President.
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21st September 2009, 12:33 PM	#29
Darth Rotor Salted Sith Cynic Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Rat cheer Posts: 26,811	Originally Posted by GreyICE Well yeah, and it's completely rational. I mean if anyone in America is under immense stress, it's the President. Obama is currently getting savaged in a way that Palin could merely dream of (how many people called her the Antichrist, seriously, or called for her to be assassinated). Bush and Clinton didn't exactly face cakewalks. If Palin quits under the pressure she was under in Alaska, it seems logical for her to quit under the MUCH GREATER pressure she would face as President. She wasn't ready for prime time. Maybe my previous observation is correct, that the Palin principle is an explicit accompaniment of the Peter principle in the political arena: you go as far as your level of competence, and incompetence, allows. No more level ups for Miss Wasalia.
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21st September 2009, 02:09 PM	#30
tyr_13 Illuminator Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 3,019	Originally Posted by leftysergeant Meghan is actually the smart one. For those of you who don't know, Meghan couldn't actually run for president in 2012 because she was born in 1984, a year after myself. If nothing else, know that she called Joe the Plumber a dumbass. She has a very well known blog. I would however, like her number. If anyone has it...
tyr_13 Illuminator Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 3,019	__________________ Circled nothing is still nothing. "Nothing will stop the U.S. from being a world leader, not even a handful of adults who want their kids to take science lessons from a book that mentions unicorns six times." -UNLoVedRebel Look at the puppy...the puppy is good.

21st September 2009, 02:12 PM	#31
Cleon King of the Pod People Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 14,362	Originally Posted by tyr_13 For those of you who don't know, Meghan couldn't actually run for president in 2012 because she was born in 1984, a year after myself. If nothing else, know that she called Joe the Plumber a dumbass. She has a very well known blog. So, as Lefty said, she's the smart one. Quote: I would however, like her number. If anyone has it... Get in line.
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21st September 2009, 02:50 PM	#32
Tsukasa Buddha Other (please write in) Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: NeverLand Posts: 4,637	Are there any transcripts or videos of those seminars? I mean, with names like "The New Masculinity" and "Silencing Christians" I can't help but want to hear them.
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21st September 2009, 03:23 PM	#33
SezMe Philosopher Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Santa Barbara, CA Posts: 9,129	Originally Posted by tyr_13 For those of you who don't know, Meghan couldn't actually run for president in 2012 because she was born in 1984, a year after myself. If nothing else, know that she called Joe the Plumber a dumbass. She has a very well known blog. Her name came up in the context of 2016.

21st September 2009, 03:53 PM	#34
Sporanox Muse Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: in the black Posts: 837	Originally Posted by Cleon So, as Lefty said, she's the smart one. Megan isn't actually that great. She does have a few good points from here and there, but this is only the result of her blind reflex to attack her self-identified party striking a good target every once in a while. One of the biggest problems with her? Voted for freaking Kerry/Edwards in '04. Bush wasn't exactly a conservative on a lot of issues, yet anybody could see the other ticket was way to his left. A lot of people would probably like to see her just come out of the closet and change her party, but she loves the media attention a self-hating Republican picks up just by existing.
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21st September 2009, 04:06 PM	#35
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 14,451	Originally Posted by MattusMaximus <Sigh> So it seems the GOP is going to continue its trek down the rabbit hole... They have learned nothing and forgotton nothing. Even if people disillusiioned with Obama, the Dems are still in a good position as long the GOP continues to cater to nobody outside the "Core" constuincies.