23 minutes in hell

Richard Masters · 19th September 2009, 07:54 PM

Looks like a wannabe prophet to me.

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Makes for an entertaining case study.

shadron · 19th September 2009, 07:56 PM

Ummmmmm.

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?

Metal bars in hell?
Bars in jails in 800BCE plus, Mediterranean?
I think he hath no historical sense.

Bad prophet.

Richard Masters · 19th September 2009, 08:00 PM

Originally Posted by shadron

Ummmmmm.

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?

Metal bars in hell?
Bars in jails in 800BCE plus, Mediterranean?
I think he hath no historical sense.

Bad prophet.

Sorry for the bad youtube tags. I've fixed it now.

Marduk · 19th September 2009, 08:09 PM

Originally Posted by Bill Wiese

This might sound like a colourful exaggeration

sounds to me like a marketing exercise
and one that other christians don't like
http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Wolves/bill_wiese.htm

eccles · 19th September 2009, 08:21 PM

23 minutes in Hell:

Listening to Rev. Bible Thumper preaching Hell and Damnation to a congregation of scared people:

"You will all burn in the Fires of Hell and there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth, and for those who do not have any teeth they will be provided.'

Robert

fuelair · 19th September 2009, 11:04 PM

Typical scare tactic of the xtian right

psy kick · 19th September 2009, 11:09 PM

so he timed it..

H3LL · 19th September 2009, 11:55 PM

Someone forgot to tell him that heaven is hotter than hell.

http://www.greatplay.net/uselessia/a...avenhhell.html

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GreNME · 20th September 2009, 12:11 AM

Originally Posted by Richard Masters

Looks like a wannabe prophet to me.

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Makes for an entertaining case study.

Plenty of studies have been done on hallucinogens and dissociatives.

pakeha · 20th September 2009, 06:56 AM

An amazing video.

MG1962 · 20th September 2009, 07:02 AM

Originally Posted by GreNME

Plenty of studies have been done on hallucinogens and dissociatives.

I think you are giving this guy far to much credit. I think it is just pure greed triggered by Don Pipers best seller 90 minutes in Heaven. At least Mr Piper had an excuse for his visions.

pakeha · 20th September 2009, 07:03 AM

I've only just seen this second site:
http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Wolves/bill_wiese.htm

From the conclusion:

Quote:

Why is the Bible under so much attack today? The answer is obvious--because It is GOD'S WORD!

Still, it was interesting to see that 23 minute visit and the business it's spawned debunked from the other side, as it were.

Safe-Keeper · 20th September 2009, 07:31 AM

Originally Posted by YT Vid's description

An amazing yet horrifying testimony of a common guy who was selected to witness hell to tell all that hell is a literal burning place that has inspired people to re-evalute there lives!

Dear citizen.

You have been selected for a mandatory guided tour of the No 20 forced labour camp. This is for you to be able to tell your fellow citizens that the labour camps are very much real, which in turn will inspire them to re-evaluate their lives.

A party associate will retrieve you from the doorstep of your apartment building at 7:00 sharp on Saturday, September 26th. Failure to be ready for pick-up on time will lead to an extended stay at the prison camp.

Your Dear Leader,
Kim Jong-il

If it was ever proven true that Yahweh existed and his Hell was a literal place of eternal torture, I'd undertake to find that metaphorical river to China (in this case, it'd have to be a parallel universe or something) and get as many people as I could over to this parallel universe where they'd be free from the tyranny of this monster.

Originally Posted by fuelair

Typical scare tactic of the xtian right

It's typical because it works. The various dictators on Earth have their own little 'hells' for dissidents who do not obey.

The difficulty with Christians who take Hell literally is they're so utterly unable to see that the use of 'hells' is actually wrong. They can go on and on about evil atheist leaders and the terrors of the gulag, but when it's their own Dear Leader being questioned, they all of a sudden start raving about free will and how the heathens brought it upon themselves.

hgc · 20th September 2009, 09:58 AM

Not sure how bad Hell really is? Well, just your luck -- I've been there, and lived to tell the tale. Let me tell you this story. It's got prison cells and really, really hot heat.

What a sucky preacher.

Bullet · 20th September 2009, 10:32 AM

Maybe she almost caught him "bashing the bishop" and it was the best excuse he could come up with

Whiplash · 20th September 2009, 12:57 PM

Originally Posted by eccles

23 minutes in Hell:

Listening to Rev. Bible Thumper preaching Hell and Damnation to a congregation of scared people:

I'm more terrified of a hell where I'm stuck alongside a million angry atheists, all of whom are whining like crazy.

fuelair · 20th September 2009, 01:01 PM

Originally Posted by Bullet

Maybe she almost caught him "bashing the bishop" and it was the best excuse he could come up with

Before the bishop threw up?

hgc · 20th September 2009, 01:34 PM

Originally Posted by Whiplash

I'm more terrified of a hell where I'm stuck alongside a million angry atheists, all of whom are whining like crazy.

Come on, really -- Are you seriously saying that's worse than the Hell in the sucky preacher's dream? Because you must really hate whiny atheists beyond a lot to have those screwed up priorities.

Richard Masters · 20th September 2009, 03:23 PM

Originally Posted by hgc

Not sure how bad Hell really is? Well, just your luck -- I've been there, and lived to tell the tale. Let me tell you this story. It's got prison cells and really, really hot heat.

What a sucky preacher.

Yeah, if he really wanted to scare me, he should have quoted James Joyce's preacher in Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man. The hell depicted there is much scarier.

ExMinister · 20th September 2009, 04:27 PM

He believes hell is located in the center of the earth. I wonder how common this belief is among Christians and whether we have any strong scientific data that would render that an impossibility.

fuelair · 20th September 2009, 05:54 PM

We do - but they would say "Godidit!!!" and stick out their tongues and go "nyanyahnyahnyah!" and put on the republicker smirk.

Marduk · 20th September 2009, 06:03 PM

Originally Posted by Whiplash

I'm more terrified of a hell where I'm stuck alongside a million angry atheists, all of whom are whining like crazy.

Jean Paul Sartre had it right, Hell is being locked forever in a room full of his friends, they were all French

Marduk · 20th September 2009, 06:06 PM

Originally Posted by ExMinister

He believes hell is located in the center of the earth. I wonder how common this belief is among Christians and whether we have any strong scientific data that would render that an impossibility.

well according to the bible we dont live on a sphere so that shoots that one down immediately

http://www.religioustolerance.org/cosmo_paga.gif

Shrike · 21st September 2009, 03:28 AM

Originally Posted by shadron

Metal bars in hell?

Ozzy is the bartender, right?

I'll_buy_that · 21st September 2009, 10:36 AM

Giants??

I'll_buy_that · 21st September 2009, 10:37 AM

Why are all these bible thumpers experiencing hell?

Soapy Sam · 22nd September 2009, 03:29 AM

A man had a nightmare.

Did I miss anything?

pakeha · 22nd September 2009, 05:58 AM

Originally Posted by Bullet

Maybe she almost caught him "bashing the bishop" and it was the best excuse he could come up with

That was my first reaction as well.
Still, you have to admire the way he's cashed in on it.

Richard Masters · 29th September 2009, 03:08 PM

Originally Posted by Soapy Sam

A man had a nightmare.

Did I miss anything?

That's was my exact impression too.

eccles · 29th September 2009, 05:02 PM

The Irish people have many quaint sayings. One is this:

When you die, may you spend half an hour in Heaven before the Devil realises you are there.

Darth Rotor · 29th September 2009, 05:45 PM

Originally Posted by Richard Masters

Looks like a wannabe prophet to me.

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Makes for an entertaining case study.

She says "Bill and I had gone to sleep that evening" which should have been the opener, after which "Twenty Three Minutes in Hell" flashed on the screen.

Why hell? For that, one would have to listen to a couple with a dysfunctional sex life ....

Sorry the opening lines she spoke and the title make me laugh and find a great joke gone wanting.

DR

Darth Rotor · 29th September 2009, 05:47 PM

Originally Posted by Shrike

Ozzy is the bartender, right?

Rimshot.

Well played, sir.

XxDeadlyNinjaxX · 29th September 2009, 08:37 PM

Originally Posted by Marduk

sounds to me like a marketing exercise
and one that other christians don't like
http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Wolves/bill_wiese.htm

Bahahaha even Bill's own people are against him.

Beerina · 30th September 2009, 07:10 AM

Originally Posted by Richard Masters

Originally Posted by Soapy Sam

A man had a nightmare.

Did I miss anything?

That's was my exact impression too.

I had a dream the topmodel Simone Villas Boas got her own TV show. That would be much better to come true than that a horrible God exists who created Hell.

19th September 2009, 08:21 PM	#5
eccles Critical Thinker Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Australia Posts: 376	23 minutes in Hell: Listening to Rev. Bible Thumper preaching Hell and Damnation to a congregation of scared people: *"You will all burn in the Fires of Hell and there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth, and for those who do not have any teeth they will be provided.'* Robert
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19th September 2009, 11:04 PM	#6
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19th September 2009, 11:55 PM	#8
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20th September 2009, 06:56 AM	#10
pakeha Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 7,994	An amazing video.
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20th September 2009, 07:03 AM	#12
pakeha Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 7,994	I've only just seen this second site: http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Wolves/bill_wiese.htm From the conclusion: Quote: Why is the Bible under so much attack today? The answer is obvious--because It is GOD'S WORD! Still, it was interesting to see that 23 minute visit and the business it's spawned debunked from the other side, as it were.
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19th September 2009, 08:09 PM	#4
Marduk Banned Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Newbury, Berkshire Posts: 10,242	Originally Posted by Bill Wiese This might sound like a colourful exaggeration sounds to me like a marketing exercise and one that other christians don't like http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Wolves/bill_wiese.htm

19th September 2009, 11:09 PM	#7
psy kick Critical Thinker Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Ohio Posts: 303	so he timed it..

20th September 2009, 07:02 AM	#11
MG1962 Guest Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Kansas (Australia) Posts: 14,750	Originally Posted by GreNME Plenty of studies have been done on hallucinogens and dissociatives. I think you are giving this guy far to much credit. I think it is just pure greed triggered by Don Pipers best seller 90 minutes in Heaven. At least Mr Piper had an excuse for his visions.

20th September 2009, 07:31 AM	#13
Safe-Keeper Philosopher Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Sogndal, Norway Posts: 7,112	Originally Posted by YT Vid's description An amazing yet horrifying testimony of a common guy who was selected to witness hell to tell all that hell is a literal burning place that has inspired people to re-evalute there lives! Dear citizen. You have been selected for a mandatory guided tour of the No 20 forced labour camp. This is for you to be able to tell your fellow citizens that the labour camps are very much real, which in turn will inspire them to re-evaluate their lives. A party associate will retrieve you from the doorstep of your apartment building at 7:00 sharp on Saturday, September 26th. Failure to be ready for pick-up on time will lead to an extended stay at the prison camp. Your Dear Leader, Kim Jong-il If it was ever proven true that Yahweh existed and his Hell was a literal place of eternal torture, I'd undertake to find that metaphorical river to China (in this case, it'd have to be a parallel universe or something) and get as many people as I could over to this parallel universe where they'd be free from the tyranny of this monster. Originally Posted by fuelair Typical scare tactic of the xtian right It's typical because it works. The various dictators on Earth have their own little 'hells' for dissidents who do not obey. The difficulty with Christians who take Hell literally is they're so utterly unable to see that the use of 'hells' is actually wrong. They can go on and on about evil atheist leaders and the terrors of the gulag, but when it's their own Dear Leader being questioned, they all of a sudden start raving about free will and how the heathens brought it upon themselves.
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20th September 2009, 09:58 AM	#14
hgc Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 13,014	Not sure how bad Hell really is? Well, just your luck -- I've been there, and lived to tell the tale. Let me tell you this story. It's got prison cells and really, really hot heat. What a sucky preacher.
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20th September 2009, 10:32 AM	#15
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20th September 2009, 12:57 PM	#16
Whiplash Acting like a maniac Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Shipwrecked and Comatose Posts: 5,389	Originally Posted by eccles 23 minutes in Hell: Listening to Rev. Bible Thumper preaching Hell and Damnation to a congregation of scared people: I'm more terrified of a hell where I'm stuck alongside a million angry atheists, all of whom are whining like crazy.
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20th September 2009, 01:01 PM	#17
fuelair Cythraul Enfys Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 28,946	Originally Posted by Bullet Maybe she almost caught him "bashing the bishop" and it was the best excuse he could come up with Before the bishop threw up?
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20th September 2009, 01:34 PM	#18
hgc Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 13,014	Originally Posted by Whiplash I'm more terrified of a hell where I'm stuck alongside a million angry atheists, all of whom are whining like crazy. Come on, really -- Are you seriously saying that's worse than the Hell in the sucky preacher's dream? Because you must really hate whiny atheists beyond a lot to have those screwed up priorities.
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20th September 2009, 03:23 PM	#19
Richard Masters Illuminator Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 3,030	Originally Posted by hgc Not sure how bad Hell really is? Well, just your luck -- I've been there, and lived to tell the tale. Let me tell you this story. It's got prison cells and really, really hot heat. What a sucky preacher. Yeah, if he really wanted to scare me, he should have quoted James Joyce's preacher in Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man. The hell depicted there is much scarier.

20th September 2009, 04:27 PM	#20
ExMinister RSL Acolyte Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 2,749	He believes hell is located in the center of the earth. I wonder how common this belief is among Christians and whether we have any strong scientific data that would render that an impossibility.
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20th September 2009, 05:54 PM	#21
fuelair Cythraul Enfys Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 28,946	We do - but they would say "Godidit!!!" and stick out their tongues and go "nyanyahnyahnyah!" and put on the republicker smirk.
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20th September 2009, 06:03 PM	#22
Marduk Banned Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Newbury, Berkshire Posts: 10,242	Originally Posted by Whiplash I'm more terrified of a hell where I'm stuck alongside a million angry atheists, all of whom are whining like crazy. Jean Paul Sartre had it right, Hell is being locked forever in a room full of his friends, they were all French

20th September 2009, 06:06 PM	#23
Marduk Banned Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Newbury, Berkshire Posts: 10,242	Originally Posted by ExMinister He believes hell is located in the center of the earth. I wonder how common this belief is among Christians and whether we have any strong scientific data that would render that an impossibility. well according to the bible we dont live on a sphere so that shoots that one down immediately http://www.religioustolerance.org/cosmo_paga.gif

21st September 2009, 03:28 AM	#24
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21st September 2009, 10:36 AM	#25
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21st September 2009, 10:37 AM	#26
I'll_buy_that Critical Thinker Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 384	Why are all these bible thumpers experiencing hell?
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22nd September 2009, 03:29 AM	#27
Soapy Sam NLH Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 25,885	A man had a nightmare. Did I miss anything?
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22nd September 2009, 05:58 AM	#28
pakeha Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 7,994	Originally Posted by Bullet Maybe she almost caught him "bashing the bishop" and it was the best excuse he could come up with That was my first reaction as well. Still, you have to admire the way he's cashed in on it.
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29th September 2009, 03:08 PM	#29
Richard Masters Illuminator Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 3,030	Originally Posted by Soapy Sam A man had a nightmare. Did I miss anything? That's was my exact impression too.

29th September 2009, 05:02 PM	#30
eccles Critical Thinker Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Australia Posts: 376	The Irish people have many quaint sayings. One is this: *When you die, may you spend half an hour in Heaven before the Devil realises you are there.*
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29th September 2009, 05:47 PM	#32
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29th September 2009, 08:37 PM	#33
XxDeadlyNinjaxX Thinker Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 178	Originally Posted by Marduk sounds to me like a marketing exercise and one that other christians don't like http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Wolves/bill_wiese.htm Bahahaha even Bill's own people are against him.
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30th September 2009, 07:10 AM	#34
Beerina Sarcastic Conqueror of Notions Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: A floating island above the clouds Posts: 23,835	Originally Posted by Richard Masters Originally Posted by Soapy Sam A man had a nightmare. Did I miss anything? That's was my exact impression too. I had a dream the topmodel Simone Villas Boas got her own TV show. That would be much better to come true than that a horrible God exists who created Hell.
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