Kirk Cameron: subverting Darwin...

headscratcher4 · 22nd September 2009, 06:47 AM

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/0..._n_294349.html

A novel approach....provide copies of Darwin edited to emphasize the superiority of creationsim and the evil of Darwin ...

HarryKeogh · 22nd September 2009, 07:11 AM

Apparently, lying is okay as long as it's for Jesus.

Marduk · 22nd September 2009, 07:42 AM

I loved it when she said "the various hoaxes of christianity"
she so hot

fuelair · 22nd September 2009, 07:45 AM

This is the same Kirk Cameron who finds bananas to be perfectly designed by dog to fit right up his.........

ponderingturtle · 22nd September 2009, 08:21 AM

And the Crocoduck proves evolution is wrong.

Pure_Argent · 22nd September 2009, 08:41 AM

Well, they're going to be distributed at the "top 50" institutions of higher learning - so hopefully the students there will have had a basic logic course and realize that the new introduction is what it is - a huge pile of logical fallacies, particularly ad hominem attacks.

Wolrab · 22nd September 2009, 09:03 AM

She IS freakin' hot. The accent does funny things to me.

I wish I could get a copy. It will probably be a collectors item as many will be defaced or thrown out.
I love the idea of publishing a Bible with a preface by Richard Dawkins.

Sun Countess · 22nd September 2009, 09:13 AM

I'm a hetero woman and even *I* thought that chick was hot.

How can Kirk Cameron or any religious person talk about Darwin's "disdain for women" when they've got a book filled with crap about us, beginning with the idea that menstruation is a sin? And why does he think the rise of atheism is a bad thing? Shouldn't he at least pretend to believe in the idea of freedom to choose one's own religious beliefs, instead of ramming his backwoods breed of Christianity down everyone's throats at taxpayer expense? Sheesh.

I third the notion that Dawkins should write a 50-page intro to the bible and hand them out for free.

Simon39759 · 22nd September 2009, 09:17 AM

Wow; ZOMGitscriss is really getting her 15 minutes of fame... Well deserved, it's a very good answer.

The whole project is retarded, of course. But then, Comfort and Cameron, what would you expect?

MG1962 · 22nd September 2009, 09:36 AM

I wonder what the copyright ramifications of rewriting Darwins book might be. Does anyone know if it is now public domain, or does someone still hold the rights

Beerina · 22nd September 2009, 09:38 AM

Originally Posted by Marduk

I loved it when she said "the various hoaxes of christianity"
she so hot

Originally Posted by Wolrab

She IS freakin' hot. The accent does funny things to me.

For those who don't click the link, they're talking about YouTuber ZOMGitsCriss, not Ariana.

Buried deep in some backwater of Eastern Europe, this young genius has made a name for herself thanks to modern communications. Her channel is right next to Pat Condell's in my favs list.

ponderingturtle · 22nd September 2009, 09:41 AM

Originally Posted by MG1962

I wonder what the copyright ramifications of rewriting Darwins book might be. Does anyone know if it is now public domain, or does someone still hold the rights

I can't immagine that it is still in copyright. It is a 140 years old.

Mojo · 22nd September 2009, 09:43 AM

Originally Posted by MG1962

I wonder what the copyright ramifications of rewriting Darwins book might be. Does anyone know if it is now public domain, or does someone still hold the rights

The author has been dead for over 70 years, so it is presumably public domain.

Sun Countess · 22nd September 2009, 09:43 AM

Kirk Cameron says that Ray Comfort found out it (Origin of Species) was in the public domain. I imagine he only had to hear that once before he accepted the truth of that statement.......

seayakin · 22nd September 2009, 09:55 AM

Definitely in the public domain. Cornell has a very good chart for determining this (for US copyright in any case)

http://www.copyright.cornell.edu/res...blicdomain.cfm

Pardalis · 22nd September 2009, 10:15 AM

"Do not bear false witness against your neighbor"

my ass.

bokonon · 22nd September 2009, 11:02 AM

The Origin of Species is clearly public domain, in any of its original editions. Most publishers who print public domain books add an introduction which is copyrightable, so Comfort's book itself will not be public domain.

The King James version of the Bible is public domain, and anyone who wanted to print a copy with an introduction they wrote themselves would be free to do so. Many new translations and paraphrased versions of the Bible are not public domain, but that one would be safe.

I've just read Comfort's introduction to Origin of the Species, and it's the usual laughable quote mining and repetition of arguments which have been bankrupt for years. He lists several evolutionary hoaxes, as though the science which discovered that they were hoaxes is inadequate for doing anything else. He repeats the "eye is an example of irreducible complexity" argument. He follows one quote from Darwin with a dozen quotes from Mein Kampf, seemingly oblivious to the fact that the Darwin quote is incompatible with the Hitler quotes. He stupidly cites Dawkins' speculation about a possible extraterrestrial ORIGIN OF LIFE ON EARTH as an example of Dawkins' theory on the ORIGIN OF THE UNIVERSE. He repeats the canard that no transitional species exist in the fossil record, without mentioning Tiktaalik.

It wouldn't be difficult to provide a 50-page introduction to the Bible which would "refute" it a lot more soundly than this hack job will "refute" Darwin.

Mojo · 22nd September 2009, 11:53 AM

Originally Posted by Pardalis

"Do not bear false witness against your neighbor"

my ass.

What about your neighbour's ass?

Marduk · 22nd September 2009, 12:46 PM

Originally Posted by Mojo

The author has been dead for over 70 years, so it is presumably public domain.

hes even been dead for over 120 years too

Marduk · 22nd September 2009, 12:50 PM

Originally Posted by bokonon

He repeats the canard that no transitional species exist in the fossil record, without mentioning Tiktaalik.

or indeed without pointing out that all fossils except those of animals that immediately became extinct after they were fossilised are transitional fossils

headscratcher4 · 22nd September 2009, 12:57 PM

Kirk Cameron: now there's a transitional fossil.

HeyLeroy · 22nd September 2009, 01:06 PM

Dear God, can You please rapture Kirk Cameron sometime in the very near future?

kthnxbye!

qayak · 22nd September 2009, 01:40 PM

Originally Posted by headscratcher4

Kirk Cameron: now there's a transitional fossil.

What are you trying to say? Kirk Cameron is the missing link between bad actor and mentally challenged, religous crackpot?

Actually, that makes complete sense and is supported by an overwhelming body of evidence!

qayak · 22nd September 2009, 01:42 PM

Originally Posted by HeyLeroy

Dear God, can You please ~~rapture~~ rupture Kirk Cameron sometime in the very near future?

kthnxbye!

Fixed that for ya!

jimtron · 22nd September 2009, 06:27 PM

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I'm on the next train to Romania.

quarky · 22nd September 2009, 06:45 PM

That chick was hot. I could barely pay attention. I think I love her.

paximperium · 22nd September 2009, 06:47 PM

When you can't argue against facts, make up your own.

six7s · 22nd September 2009, 07:29 PM

Originally Posted by paximperium

When you can't argue against facts, make up your own.

And when you can't make up your own 'facts', plagiarise myths and legends from other cults.

godless dave · 22nd September 2009, 08:31 PM

Originally Posted by HarryKeogh

Apparently, lying is okay as long as it's for Jesus.

Martin Luther said something to that effect, but I can't seem to find the quote online.

Derwoods · 22nd September 2009, 09:55 PM

Someone needs to get a copy and prepare an easy to print out a Dummies Guide to debunking all the silliness so that skeptic groups can hand them out at the same schools.

patchbunny · 22nd September 2009, 10:46 PM

Ok, I"m just gonna pop in and see what all the fuss is about.

*homminahomminahommina*

Why... yes. I do agree that she is attractive.

patchbunny · 22nd September 2009, 10:48 PM

I'm not clear on what's going on with the book. Are they just including the asinine introduction, or are they editing the text as well?

whatnot · 22nd September 2009, 10:56 PM

I really want a copy of this book. I'll keep it with my hard cover edition of OJ's "I Want to Tell You." And I notice that Amazon now sells Kim Jong Il's "On the Art of Cinema." (hint hint...)

Jonnyclueless · 22nd September 2009, 11:09 PM

I wonder if the 50 page intro mentions how the human hand is so perfectly shaped to fit the penis. Irreducible complexity.

Skeptic Ginger · 22nd September 2009, 11:20 PM

Dang, I want one of those books.

I really liked the video. Totally excellent.

Kahalachan · 23rd September 2009, 03:52 AM

Originally Posted by Sun Countess

I'm a hetero woman and even *I* thought that chick was hot.

This is making me click that link. I'll edit this with more on the subject.

Edit:

No I don't have anything to add. Cameron is a retard and we all know this. It was just fun seeing a hot Romanian blonde girl reiterate this for us.

KarlG · 23rd September 2009, 05:02 AM

Originally Posted by headscratcher4

Kirk Cameron: now there's a transitional fossil.

Nah, he's more like a coprolite

headscratcher4 · 23rd September 2009, 07:32 AM

Originally Posted by godless dave

Martin Luther said something to that effect, but I can't seem to find the quote online.

The NeoCon Irving Kristol embraced ID back in the 90s, and...like Luther...was not above a "noble" lie to keep the masses in line:

"There are different kinds of truths for different kinds of people. There are truths appropriate for children; truths that are appropriate for students; truths that are appropriate for educated adults; and truths that are appropriate for highly educated adults, and the notion that there should be one set of truths available to everyone is a modern democratic fallacy. It doesn't work." -- Irving Kristol

What is amusing here, to me, is these bafoons trying to impose the lie on the highly educated...

qayak · 23rd September 2009, 10:19 AM

Originally Posted by headscratcher4

What is amusing here, to me, is these bafoons trying to impose the lie on the highly educated...

Ironically, they think they are the higher educated people when in fact they are somewhere, quite far really, below children.

UnrepentantSinner · 24th September 2009, 03:36 AM

Anyone know if there's a page about this on the TO Archive yet? (or basically anywhere that isn't a blog or youtube vid)

22nd September 2009, 06:47 AM	#1
headscratcher4 Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: USA Posts: 6,424	Kirk Cameron: subverting Darwin... http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/0..._n_294349.html A novel approach....provide copies of Darwin edited to emphasize the superiority of creationsim and the evil of Darwin ...
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22nd September 2009, 07:42 AM	#3
Marduk Dragon Killer Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Newbury, Berkshire Posts: 3,073	I loved it when she said "the various hoaxes of christianity" she so hot
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22nd September 2009, 08:41 AM	#6
Pure_Argent Certified Castlevania Fanboy Join Date: May 2009 Location: The Clock Tower Boss Room Posts: 3,820	Well, they're going to be distributed at the "top 50" institutions of higher learning - so hopefully the students there will have had a basic logic course and realize that the new introduction is what it is - a huge pile of logical fallacies, particularly ad hominem attacks.
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22nd September 2009, 09:03 AM	#7
Wolrab Muse Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 526	She IS freakin' hot. The accent does funny things to me. I wish I could get a copy. It will probably be a collectors item as many will be defaced or thrown out. I love the idea of publishing a Bible with a preface by Richard Dawkins.
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22nd September 2009, 09:13 AM	#8
Sun Countess Appearance of intelligence Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Vancouver Posts: 1,531	I'm a hetero woman and even I thought that chick was hot. How can Kirk Cameron or any religious person talk about Darwin's "disdain for women" when they've got a book filled with crap about us, beginning with the idea that menstruation is a sin? And why does he think the rise of atheism is a bad thing? Shouldn't he at least pretend to believe in the idea of freedom to choose one's own religious beliefs, instead of ramming his backwoods breed of Christianity down everyone's throats at taxpayer expense? Sheesh. I third the notion that Dawkins should write a 50-page intro to the bible and hand them out for free.

22nd September 2009, 09:17 AM	#9
Simon39759 Graduate Poster Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,064	Wow; ZOMGitscriss is really getting her 15 minutes of fame... Well deserved, it's a very good answer. The whole project is retarded, of course. But then, Comfort and Cameron, what would you expect?

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MG1962 Illuminator Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 4,031	I wonder what the copyright ramifications of rewriting Darwins book might be. Does anyone know if it is now public domain, or does someone still hold the rights
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22nd September 2009, 09:38 AM	#11
Beerina Sarcastic Conqueror of Notions Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: A floating island above the clouds Posts: 14,373	Originally Posted by Marduk I loved it when she said "the various hoaxes of christianity" she so hot Originally Posted by Wolrab She IS freakin' hot. The accent does funny things to me. For those who don't click the link, they're talking about YouTuber ZOMGitsCriss, not Ariana. Buried deep in some backwater of Eastern Europe, this young genius has made a name for herself thanks to modern communications. Her channel is right next to Pat Condell's in my favs list.
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ponderingturtle Orthogonal Vector Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Ossining NY Posts: 18,770	Originally Posted by MG1962 I wonder what the copyright ramifications of rewriting Darwins book might be. Does anyone know if it is now public domain, or does someone still hold the rights I can't immagine that it is still in copyright. It is a 140 years old.
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22nd September 2009, 09:43 AM	#13
Mojo Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Nor Flanden Posts: 14,927	Originally Posted by MG1962 I wonder what the copyright ramifications of rewriting Darwins book might be. Does anyone know if it is now public domain, or does someone still hold the rights The author has been dead for over 70 years, so it is presumably public domain.
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22nd September 2009, 09:55 AM	#15
seayakin Critical Thinker Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Somewhere on a wave in the North Atlantic Posts: 373	Definitely in the public domain. Cornell has a very good chart for determining this (for US copyright in any case) http://www.copyright.cornell.edu/res...blicdomain.cfm
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bokonon Illuminator Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 3,224	The Origin of Species is clearly public domain, in any of its original editions. Most publishers who print public domain books add an introduction which is copyrightable, so Comfort's book itself will not be public domain. The King James version of the Bible is public domain, and anyone who wanted to print a copy with an introduction they wrote themselves would be free to do so. Many new translations and paraphrased versions of the Bible are not public domain, but that one would be safe. I've just read Comfort's introduction to Origin of the Species, and it's the usual laughable quote mining and repetition of arguments which have been bankrupt for years. He lists several evolutionary hoaxes, as though the science which discovered that they were hoaxes is inadequate for doing anything else. He repeats the "eye is an example of irreducible complexity" argument. He follows one quote from Darwin with a dozen quotes from Mein Kampf, seemingly oblivious to the fact that the Darwin quote is incompatible with the Hitler quotes. He stupidly cites Dawkins' speculation about a possible extraterrestrial ORIGIN OF LIFE ON EARTH as an example of Dawkins' theory on the ORIGIN OF THE UNIVERSE. He repeats the canard that no transitional species exist in the fossil record, without mentioning Tiktaalik. It wouldn't be difficult to provide a 50-page introduction to the Bible which would "refute" it a lot more soundly than this hack job will "refute" Darwin.
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22nd September 2009, 11:53 AM	#18
Mojo Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Nor Flanden Posts: 14,927	Originally Posted by Pardalis "Do not bear false witness against your neighbor" my ass. What about your neighbour's ass?
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Marduk Dragon Killer Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Newbury, Berkshire Posts: 3,073	Originally Posted by Mojo The author has been dead for over 70 years, so it is presumably public domain. hes even been dead for over 120 years too
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22nd September 2009, 12:50 PM	#20
Marduk Dragon Killer Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Newbury, Berkshire Posts: 3,073	Originally Posted by bokonon He repeats the canard that no transitional species exist in the fossil record, without mentioning Tiktaalik. or indeed without pointing out that all fossils except those of animals that immediately became extinct after they were fossilised are transitional fossils
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qayak Illuminator Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 4,297	Originally Posted by headscratcher4 Kirk Cameron: now there's a transitional fossil. What are you trying to say? Kirk Cameron is the missing link between bad actor and mentally challenged, religous crackpot? Actually, that makes complete sense and is supported by an overwhelming body of evidence!
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22nd September 2009, 01:42 PM	#24
qayak Illuminator Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 4,297	Originally Posted by HeyLeroy Dear God, can You please ~~rapture~~ rupture Kirk Cameron sometime in the very near future? kthnxbye! Fixed that for ya!
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godless dave Great Dalmuti Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: St. Paul, Minnesota Posts: 3,728	Originally Posted by HarryKeogh Apparently, lying is okay as long as it's for Jesus. Martin Luther said something to that effect, but I can't seem to find the quote online.
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22nd September 2009, 10:48 PM	#32
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Jonnyclueless Illuminator Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 4,638	I wonder if the 50 page intro mentions how the human hand is so perfectly shaped to fit the penis. Irreducible complexity.

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Kahalachan Muse Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 505	Originally Posted by Sun Countess I'm a hetero woman and even I thought that chick was hot. This is making me click that link. I'll edit this with more on the subject. Edit: No I don't have anything to add. Cameron is a retard and we all know this. It was just fun seeing a hot Romanian blonde girl reiterate this for us.
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