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Luntoc · 25th September 2009, 02:30 PM

I would love to debate David Ray Griffin personally. I think he is so misinformed and gets sources from freaking holocaust deniers. I wish I was a structural engineer so I can completely destroy his work of NIST's theory not being scientific.

fourtoe · 25th September 2009, 02:35 PM

Great thread/question. I don't know if I have an answer yet because I would love to debate any Truther, ANY.

Its hard picking which one I'd want to embarrass the hell out of.

I think DRG is a good one cause I haven't heard any debates he has done, except for one with Chip Berlet. It did not come out too well for DRG. He tried to argue like an apologist and was not prepared at all.

Myron Proudfoot · 25th September 2009, 02:54 PM

depends. Can I use a baseball bat??

fitzgibbon · 25th September 2009, 02:58 PM

Ace Baker. Where lack of knowledge about video doesn't preclude a wildly misinformed opinion.

JAStewart · 25th September 2009, 03:05 PM

Killtown. You don't need to do any work. He debunks himself.

Horatius · 25th September 2009, 03:14 PM

Max Photon. But only if we were drinking beer while doing it, because I think he'd be hilarious after a few.

~enigma~ · 25th September 2009, 03:17 PM

Debating any of the unhuman scum does nothing except bring their bs rhetoric into the spotlight. There is a reason real scientists turned away from idiots like Joe Newman when he begged for a debate.

fourtoe · 25th September 2009, 03:37 PM

Originally Posted by ~enigma~

Debating any of the unhuman scum does nothing except bring their bs rhetoric into the spotlight. There is a reason real scientists turned away from idiots like Joe Newman when he begged for a debate.

I agree with this to a certain point. But I think that having a debate brought to the spotlight still has good aspects.

First, fence sitters, can't forget them. And second, I agree with Abby Smith in this blog post and even though the post is focused on debating ID, I think that this concept holds well for CT debunking too.

These people are frauds and lazy 'investigators'. I think that comes out even clearer when people without any germane background in this debate point this out.

This is why I love the 911 debunker movement, a bunch of con-artists and d-bags are trying so hard to look like qualified experts in the various fields that go under the 911 CT umbrella have a magician's forum--a sub-forum in a magician's forum--as the most effective opponent to their movement.

There is nothing better than calling out/exposing the jerkwads that lead the TM and it becomes even more awesome when people without any particular expertise are the ones doing the calling outege/exposingege.

Bobert · 25th September 2009, 03:42 PM

Originally Posted by ~enigma~

Debating any of the unhuman scum does nothing except bring their bs rhetoric into the spotlight. There is a reason real scieK
ntists turned away from idiots like Joe Newman when he begged for a debate.

Always makes me giggle how truthers declare victory everytime a scientist or other expert declines to debate them.

Brainster · 25th September 2009, 04:01 PM

Grifter, easily, because he dodges debates.

Mr.Herbert · 25th September 2009, 04:07 PM

Hmmmmmm... where to start?

I guess it would be Charlie Sheen.

Why? Obviously I would not have a problem beating him....but I would be nice to him and compliment him about his *cough* great acting abilities.

Then... Free coke & hookers!

grandthefttoaster · 25th September 2009, 04:13 PM

Originally Posted by ~enigma~

Debating any of the unhuman scum does nothing except bring their bs rhetoric into the spotlight. There is a reason real scientists turned away from idiots like Joe Newman when he begged for a debate.

I think that attitude is one reason people get suckered in to believing these theories. I am grateful to Mark Roberts, Ron Wieck, R Mackey, Popular Mechanics, Matt Taibbi, and the rest who have debated these guys.

R.Mackey · 25th September 2009, 05:13 PM

I'm debating Tony Szamboti day after tomorrow. I actually think he's a relatively sane and educated member of the Truth Movement, so it is possible we will have an intelligent discussion.

The rest, however...

Pardalis · 25th September 2009, 05:41 PM

Red Ibis, but he would have to be tied to a chair and forced to answer the questions he is being asked.

triforcharity · 25th September 2009, 09:51 PM

I would love to sit down with Dylan or Jason, or both, and talk about nothing but fires and its effects. I have compiled a good bit of information about 9/11, and fire in general. Even have a folder in my favorites.

I don't want to talk engineering, as that is not my expertiese. But, you are going to have to handcuff me, because the minute I hear FDNY paid off, I would come unglued.

BTW, what is the best way to put together a blog with all this info thata I have compiled?? NOTICE: I don't do well with technology. I still cannot embead a YouTube video here.

Sam.I.Am · 25th September 2009, 09:57 PM

Google "Google Sites". Free, outrageously user friendly and already has its own templates for you to pick from. All you have to do is put in what you want and share it.

triforcharity · 25th September 2009, 10:51 PM

Thank you.

I will tinker with it this weekend.

911kongen · 26th September 2009, 01:17 AM

Originally Posted by triforcharity

I would love to sit down with Dylan or Jason, or both, and talk about nothing but fires and its effects. I have compiled a good bit of information about 9/11, and fire in general. Even have a folder in my favorites.

I don't want to talk engineering, as that is not my expertiese. But, you are going to have to handcuff me, because the minute I hear FDNY paid off, I would come unglued.

BTW, what is the best way to put together a blog with all this info thata I have compiled?? NOTICE: I don't do well with technology. I still cannot embead a YouTube video here.

I need help on how to upload a video to this forum to! Some one?

kookbreaker · 26th September 2009, 05:26 AM

Originally Posted by 911kongen

I need help on how to upload a video to this forum to! Some one?

Is it on youtube? You can't upload a video to this forum but you can link to one.

A W Smith · 26th September 2009, 06:48 AM

Originally Posted by triforcharity

NOTICE: I don't do well with technology. I still cannot embead a YouTube video here.

Originally Posted by 911kongen

I need help on how to upload a video to this forum to! Some one?

I'll use the wrong brackets to show you, use only the bolded part of the youtube url

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cddIgb1nGJ8

{yt}cddIgb1nGJ8{/yt}

now change these brackets> {} to these kind of brackets > [ ]

and you get this

YouTube Video This video is not hosted by the JREF. The JREF can not be held responsible for the suitability or legality of this material. By clicking the link below you agree to view content from an external website.

I AGREE

tsig · 26th September 2009, 07:02 AM

Originally Posted by Pardalis

Red Ibis, but he would have to be tied to a chair and forced to answer the questions he is being asked.

That's the one I picked. You'd always win by default due to his no-show.

Trojan · 26th September 2009, 07:29 AM

Who was the kid from Toronto that paged Dick Cheney in a Walmart? I'd like to meet him, don't think it would be much of a debate, but he's fun to watch.

The baseball bat option also sounds inviting.

TokenMac · 26th September 2009, 09:09 PM

Originally Posted by Trojan

Who was the kid from Toronto that paged Dick Cheney in a Walmart? I'd like to meet him, don't think it would be much of a debate, but he's fun to watch.

The baseball bat option also sounds inviting.

That kid ain't to bright, his debating tactic is to giggle, sigh, roll eyes, and of course ignore.

dsglop has few debates with him here.

ETA: His name is Nathan moulton

AJM8125 · 26th September 2009, 09:32 PM

Richard Gage, but I don't believe I'd make a good candidate for a debate. I'm sure at some point in any such debate I'd give in to temptation, get him in a headlock and deliver a series of noogies followed by a wedgie. I was sooo hoping Gravy would've done that on Hardfire but alas, they weren't in the same studio. Oh well.

fourtoe · 26th September 2009, 10:51 PM

Originally Posted by TokenMac

That kid ain't to bright, his debating tactic is to giggle, sigh, roll eyes, and of course ignore.

dsglop has few debates with him here.

ETA: His name is Nathan moulton

That douche* is Nathan Moulton and I would LOVE to debate his stupid ass.

I pretty much have the same hobby as dsglop, I love to go and argue with crazy people. I'm pretty jealous cause the 911 Truthers aren't too active in LA it seems.

dsglop's problem is that he won't pin Nathan down on anything and he interrupts people too much. He knows a lot about 911 and CT in general and whenever Nathan sidesteps and dodges a question by bringing up another topic dsglop gets excited and tries to debunk that new topic...

*that video is made by Walter Ego a poster here on JREF. He has a very good 911 video blog.

leftysergeant · 27th September 2009, 03:56 AM

I would like to take apart that blithering idiot Graeme MacQueen on his methodology in determining whether there were explosives involved in the collapses. I would need to bring along a flash drive with the ACTUAL footage and unaltered audio of the collapse of the south tower and of Michael Hezarkhani's video and voice to show him what a gullible putz he has already shown himself to be.

Brattus · 28th September 2009, 12:21 AM

Originally Posted by Sam.I.Am

Google "Google Sites". Free, outrageously user friendly and already has its own templates for you to pick from. All you have to do is put in what you want and share it.

I googled google once. My PC got sucked into the void.

McHrozni · 28th September 2009, 04:27 AM

Originally Posted by Myron Proudfoot

depends. Can I use a baseball bat??

Better - a baseball bat with sandpaper glued to it.

McHrozni

Gnu World Order · 28th September 2009, 11:52 AM

Bill Smith, for sure. Beautiful ankles.

25th September 2009, 02:30 PM	#1
Luntoc Scholar Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 86	If you had to debate one truther, who would it be? I would love to debate David Ray Griffin personally. I think he is so misinformed and gets sources from freaking holocaust deniers. I wish I was a structural engineer so I can completely destroy his work of NIST's theory not being scientific.
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25th September 2009, 02:35 PM	#2
fourtoe Graduate Poster Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Northridge, Ca Posts: 1,020	Great thread/question. I don't know if I have an answer yet because I would love to debate any Truther, ANY. Its hard picking which one I'd want to embarrass the hell out of. I think DRG is a good one cause I haven't heard any debates he has done, except for one with Chip Berlet. It did not come out too well for DRG. He tried to argue like an apologist and was not prepared at all.
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25th September 2009, 02:54 PM	#3
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25th September 2009, 02:58 PM	#4
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25th September 2009, 03:05 PM	#5
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25th September 2009, 03:14 PM	#6
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25th September 2009, 03:17 PM	#7
~enigma~ Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Center of the universe Posts: 7,954	Debating any of the unhuman scum does nothing except bring their bs rhetoric into the spotlight. There is a reason real scientists turned away from idiots like Joe Newman when he begged for a debate.

25th September 2009, 03:37 PM	#8
fourtoe Graduate Poster Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Northridge, Ca Posts: 1,020	Originally Posted by ~enigma~ Debating any of the unhuman scum does nothing except bring their bs rhetoric into the spotlight. There is a reason real scientists turned away from idiots like Joe Newman when he begged for a debate. I agree with this to a certain point. But I think that having a debate brought to the spotlight still has good aspects. First, fence sitters, can't forget them. And second, I agree with Abby Smith in this blog post and even though the post is focused on debating ID, I think that this concept holds well for CT debunking too. These people are frauds and lazy 'investigators'. I think that comes out even clearer when people without any germane background in this debate point this out. This is why I love the 911 debunker movement, a bunch of con-artists and d-bags are trying so hard to look like qualified experts in the various fields that go under the 911 CT umbrella have a magician's forum--a sub-forum in a magician's forum--as the most effective opponent to their movement. There is nothing better than calling out/exposing the jerkwads that lead the TM and it becomes even more awesome when people without any particular expertise are the ones doing the calling outege/exposingege.
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25th September 2009, 03:42 PM	#9
Bobert Government Loyalist Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Kennesaw GA Posts: 4,146	Originally Posted by ~enigma~ Debating any of the unhuman scum does nothing except bring their bs rhetoric into the spotlight. There is a reason real scieK ntists turned away from idiots like Joe Newman when he begged for a debate. Always makes me giggle how truthers declare victory everytime a scientist or other expert declines to debate them.
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25th September 2009, 04:01 PM	#10
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25th September 2009, 04:07 PM	#11
Mr.Herbert Graduate Poster Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 1,357	Hmmmmmm... where to start? I guess it would be Charlie Sheen. Why? Obviously I would not have a problem beating him....but I would be nice to him and compliment him about his cough great acting abilities. Then... Free coke & hookers!
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25th September 2009, 04:13 PM	#12
grandthefttoaster Thinker Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 184	Originally Posted by ~enigma~ Debating any of the unhuman scum does nothing except bring their bs rhetoric into the spotlight. There is a reason real scientists turned away from idiots like Joe Newman when he begged for a debate. I think that attitude is one reason people get suckered in to believing these theories. I am grateful to Mark Roberts, Ron Wieck, R Mackey, Popular Mechanics, Matt Taibbi, and the rest who have debated these guys.
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25th September 2009, 05:13 PM	#13
R.Mackey Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: The armpit of L.A. Posts: 7,857	I'm debating Tony Szamboti day after tomorrow. I actually think he's a relatively sane and educated member of the Truth Movement, so it is possible we will have an intelligent discussion. The rest, however...
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25th September 2009, 05:41 PM	#14
Pardalis Banned Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Montréal Posts: 25,831	Red Ibis, but he would have to be tied to a chair and forced to answer the questions he is being asked.

25th September 2009, 09:51 PM	#15
triforcharity Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: The South! Posts: 12,614	I would love to sit down with Dylan or Jason, or both, and talk about nothing but fires and its effects. I have compiled a good bit of information about 9/11, and fire in general. Even have a folder in my favorites. I don't want to talk engineering, as that is not my expertiese. But, you are going to have to handcuff me, because the minute I hear FDNY paid off, I would come unglued. BTW, what is the best way to put together a blog with all this info thata I have compiled?? NOTICE: I don't do well with technology. I still cannot embead a YouTube video here.
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25th September 2009, 09:57 PM	#16
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25th September 2009, 10:51 PM	#17
triforcharity Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: The South! Posts: 12,614	Thank you. I will tinker with it this weekend.
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26th September 2009, 01:17 AM	#18
911kongen Critical Thinker Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 363	Originally Posted by triforcharity I would love to sit down with Dylan or Jason, or both, and talk about nothing but fires and its effects. I have compiled a good bit of information about 9/11, and fire in general. Even have a folder in my favorites. I don't want to talk engineering, as that is not my expertiese. But, you are going to have to handcuff me, because the minute I hear FDNY paid off, I would come unglued. BTW, what is the best way to put together a blog with all this info thata I have compiled?? NOTICE: I don't do well with technology. I still cannot embead a YouTube video here. I need help on how to upload a video to this forum to! Some one?

26th September 2009, 05:26 AM	#19
kookbreaker Evil Fokker Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 9,256	Originally Posted by 911kongen I need help on how to upload a video to this forum to! Some one? Is it on youtube? You can't upload a video to this forum but you can link to one.
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26th September 2009, 07:02 AM	#21
tsig a carbon based life-form Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 27,257	Originally Posted by Pardalis Red Ibis, but he would have to be tied to a chair and forced to answer the questions he is being asked. That's the one I picked. You'd always win by default due to his no-show.

26th September 2009, 07:29 AM	#22
Trojan Critical Thinker Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Pittsburgh Posts: 410	Who was the kid from Toronto that paged Dick Cheney in a Walmart? I'd like to meet him, don't think it would be much of a debate, but he's fun to watch. The baseball bat option also sounds inviting.

26th September 2009, 09:09 PM	#23
TokenMac Critical Thinker Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 382	Originally Posted by Trojan Who was the kid from Toronto that paged Dick Cheney in a Walmart? I'd like to meet him, don't think it would be much of a debate, but he's fun to watch. The baseball bat option also sounds inviting. That kid ain't to bright, his debating tactic is to giggle, sigh, roll eyes, and of course ignore. dsglop has few debates with him here. ETA: His name is Nathan moulton
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26th September 2009, 09:32 PM	#24
AJM8125 NWO Black Ops Tagger Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Circling The Drain, California Posts: 15,469	Richard Gage, but I don't believe I'd make a good candidate for a debate. I'm sure at some point in any such debate I'd give in to temptation, get him in a headlock and deliver a series of noogies followed by a wedgie. I was sooo hoping Gravy would've done that on Hardfire but alas, they weren't in the same studio. Oh well.

26th September 2009, 10:51 PM	#25
fourtoe Graduate Poster Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Northridge, Ca Posts: 1,020	Originally Posted by TokenMac That kid ain't to bright, his debating tactic is to giggle, sigh, roll eyes, and of course ignore. dsglop has few debates with him here. ETA: His name is Nathan moulton That douche* is Nathan Moulton and I would LOVE to debate his stupid ass. I pretty much have the same hobby as dsglop, I love to go and argue with crazy people. I'm pretty jealous cause the 911 Truthers aren't too active in LA it seems. dsglop's problem is that he won't pin Nathan down on anything and he interrupts people too much. He knows a lot about 911 and CT in general and whenever Nathan sidesteps and dodges a question by bringing up another topic dsglop gets excited and tries to debunk that new topic... *that video is made by Walter Ego a poster here on JREF. He has a very good 911 video blog.
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27th September 2009, 03:56 AM	#26
leftysergeant Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Spanaway WA Posts: 18,614	I would like to take apart that blithering idiot Graeme MacQueen on his methodology in determining whether there were explosives involved in the collapses. I would need to bring along a flash drive with the ACTUAL footage and unaltered audio of the collapse of the south tower and of Michael Hezarkhani's video and voice to show him what a gullible putz he has already shown himself to be.

28th September 2009, 12:21 AM	#27
Brattus Graduate Poster Join Date: May 2007 Location: The bowels of death and despair Posts: 1,226	Originally Posted by Sam.I.Am Google "Google Sites". Free, outrageously user friendly and already has its own templates for you to pick from. All you have to do is put in what you want and share it. I googled google once. My PC got sucked into the void.

28th September 2009, 04:27 AM	#28
McHrozni Illuminator Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 3,666	Originally Posted by Myron Proudfoot depends. Can I use a baseball bat?? Better - a baseball bat with sandpaper glued to it. McHrozni
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28th September 2009, 11:52 AM	#29
Gnu World Order Thinker Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Here. Now. Posts: 156	Bill Smith, for sure. Beautiful ankles.