Lew Rockwell advocates secession on Fox News

Puppycow · 26th September 2009, 09:28 AM

Link

(Lew Rockwell wrote Ron Paul's racist newsletters)

Here he is on Judge Napolitano's show saying that states can secede or nullify federal laws. Not mentioned is something that happened in 1860-65 which settled that question.

This seems a bit extreme even for Fox News. I thought that Fox News started out just slightly right-of-center, but now it is becoming more and more friendly with the loony right.

Policenaut · 26th September 2009, 09:37 AM

Secession talk has been going on for a while:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,278564,00.html

Mostly I remember it from Texas, Alaska and Vermont.

Ausmerican · 26th September 2009, 09:43 AM

Any chance that this would be like the rapture? Texas secedes and all the fundies rush to move there, so to the rest of us, they are just......gone.

LibraryLady · 26th September 2009, 10:28 AM

Any relation to this guy?

Brainster · 26th September 2009, 12:21 PM

Originally Posted by Puppycow

Link

(Lew Rockwell wrote Ron Paul's racist newsletters)

Here he is on Judge Napolitano's show saying that states can secede or nullify federal laws. Not mentioned is something that happened in 1860-65 which settled that question.

This seems a bit extreme even for Fox News. I thought that Fox News started out just slightly right-of-center, but now it is becoming more and more friendly with the loony right.

Napolitano is a fruitcake; a few months ago he had Alex Jones on his show and introduced him as "the great Alex Jones". That, to me, indicated that Napolitano has no business being on TV; he should be running a crank internet radio show.

dudalb · 26th September 2009, 01:04 PM

Right, Lew.
It REALLY worked well last time somebody tried.

Guess he never heard about Appomatox....

As a Civil War buff, this is the funniest thing ever.

dudalb · 26th September 2009, 01:07 PM

Originally Posted by Brainster

Napolitano is a fruitcake; a few months ago he had Alex Jones on his show and introduced him as "the great Alex Jones". That, to me, indicated that Napolitano has no business being on TV; he should be running a crank internet radio show.

Agreed. I haved been a semi defender of Fox News at times...mainly because I get sick of the endless Lefty whining about how biased it is..as if biased news was something brand new and unheard of...but Fox does seem to be going from appealing to main stream Conservatives to appealing to the lunatic fringe on the right, probably because of the unexpected sucess of Glenn Beck.
I know someone is going to post that Fox has always appealed to the extreme right, but I note that a great many Left Wing ideologues cannot distinguish between mainstream conservatism and the lunatic frings, just like a many Right Wing ideologues cannot distinguish between mainstream Liberalism and the Extreme Left.

Cleon · 26th September 2009, 01:25 PM

Originally Posted by dudalb

Agreed. I haved been a semi defender of Fox News at times...mainly because I get sick of the endless Lefty whining about how biased it is..as if biased news was something brand new and unheard of...but Fox does seem to be going from appealing to main stream Conservatives to appealing to the lunatic fringe on the right, probably because of the unexpected sucess of Glenn Beck.
I know someone is going to post that Fox has always appealed to the extreme right, but I note that a great many Left Wing ideologues cannot distinguish between mainstream conservatism and the lunatic frings, just like a many Right Wing ideologues cannot distinguish between mainstream Liberalism and the Extreme Left.

That's largely because the line between "mainstream conservatism" and "the lunatic fringe" isn't particularly clear these days. It's not just Fox News; Limbaugh seems to carry more weight than Michael Steele among conservatives these days.

So where is the line drawn? If Fox is "appealing to the lunatic fringe" more these days, does that mean they're ignoring the majority of conservatives, or does it mean that "mainstream conservatives" are moving more towards the "lunatic fringe?"

Cain · 26th September 2009, 03:09 PM

I support secession. Unless they intend to bring back slavery. Get rid of most of the South, I say. Then those conservatives living up in evil New York City and Washington D.C. can move out to their Biblical paradise.

Toke · 26th September 2009, 03:20 PM

Originally Posted by LibraryLady

Any relation to this guy?

Amazing.

Anyway having texas try to secede with all the fundies will likely be a mess just like last time.

parky76 · 26th September 2009, 03:26 PM

I'd love to see the part of the Constitution that talks about seccession from the Union.

Juniversal · 26th September 2009, 03:31 PM

Originally Posted by Cain

I support secession. Unless they intend to bring back slavery. Get rid of most of the South, I say. Then those conservatives living up in evil New York City and Washington D.C. can move out to their Biblical paradise.

Ahhh I can see it now. Texas secedes and becomes the primary target of mexican immigrant migration. They'd be begging to come back to the union lol..

Puppycow · 26th September 2009, 04:51 PM

Originally Posted by Policenaut

Secession talk has been going on for a while:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,278564,00.html

Mostly I remember it from Texas, Alaska and Vermont.

But I think it's different now. Your link is more of a news story about people who want to secede, while this seems more about editorializing in favor of secession.

Originally Posted by Ausmerican

Any chance that this would be like the rapture? Texas secedes and all the fundies rush to move there, so to the rest of us, they are just......gone.

Originally Posted by Cain

I support secession. Unless they intend to bring back slavery. Get rid of most of the South, I say. Then those conservatives living up in evil New York City and Washington D.C. can move out to their Biblical paradise.

These may be in jest, but in case they aren't, I think too many people gave their lives in the Civil War to allow this, and it would create more problems than it solves.

Originally Posted by LibraryLady

Any relation to this guy?

Not that I am aware of. Probably no relation to Norman Rockwell the painter either.

Originally Posted by Brainster

Napolitano is a fruitcake; a few months ago he had Alex Jones on his show and introduced him as "the great Alex Jones". That, to me, indicated that Napolitano has no business being on TV; he should be running a crank internet radio show.

Wow. Just amazing.

Originally Posted by dudalb

Agreed. I haved been a semi defender of Fox News at times...mainly because I get sick of the endless Lefty whining about how biased it is..as if biased news was something brand new and unheard of...but Fox does seem to be going from appealing to main stream Conservatives to appealing to the lunatic fringe on the right, probably because of the unexpected sucess of Glenn Beck.

I also agree with this. It's a mixed bag, but there seems to be more and more looniness in the mix lately.

INRM · 26th September 2009, 07:01 PM

After the civil war was there any specific law or regulation that made it illegal for a state to seceed?

Brainster · 26th September 2009, 07:42 PM

Well, let's remember, cranky liberals were talking secession after the 2004 election. Remember those maps of the United States of Canada and "Jesusland?"

Praktik · 26th September 2009, 09:45 PM

You know I still feel like Canukistan got a raw deal out west. Oregon and Washington, I'm looking at you.

Come join the party.

dudalb · 26th September 2009, 10:07 PM

Originally Posted by INRM

After the civil war was there any specific law or regulation that made it illegal for a state to seceed?

I think that issue was decided by Generals Grant and Sherman.....

Dr Adequate · 26th September 2009, 11:03 PM

Why Do They Hate America?

Dr Adequate · 26th September 2009, 11:05 PM

Originally Posted by Brainster

Well, let's remember, cranky liberals were talking secession after the 2004 election. Remember those maps of the United States of Canada and "Jesusland?"

That cartoon was advocating secession?

Golly. Who knew?

leftysergeant · 26th September 2009, 11:15 PM

Originally Posted by Brainster

That, to me, indicated that Napolitano has no business being on TV; he should be running a crank internet radio show.

Here in the Seattle market he is on the crank radio with Brian Kilmeade. I think it's the same station that carries either Mark Levin or Michael Wiener. Hard to remember which. I only listen to them when the station that runs AAR is preempted for football.

leftysergeant · 26th September 2009, 11:21 PM

Originally Posted by Juniversal

Ahhh I can see it now. Texas secedes and becomes the primary target of mexican immigrant migration. They'd be begging to come back to the union lol..

If they try to cecede, we can re-name it Aztlan and pull all of our military equipment (including that provided by the Federal government to the Texas National Guard) and all postal equipment and government-owned computers and basicly anything the Feds can pull up off the floor, then set cratering charges in all the intersatate highways at the new border.

geni · 26th September 2009, 11:24 PM

Originally Posted by Brainster

Well, let's remember, cranky liberals were talking secession after the 2004 election. Remember those maps of the United States of Canada and "Jesusland?"

Technicaly that would be anexation no?

geni · 26th September 2009, 11:31 PM

Originally Posted by Cleon

That's largely because the line between "mainstream conservatism" and "the lunatic fringe" isn't particularly clear these days. It's not just Fox News; Limbaugh seems to carry more weight than Michael Steele among conservatives these days.

So where is the line drawn? If Fox is "appealing to the lunatic fringe" more these days, does that mean they're ignoring the majority of conservatives, or does it mean that "mainstream conservatives" are moving more towards the "lunatic fringe?"

Alturnatively mainsteam conservatives want news about people doing convservative things and the lunatic fringe are the only ones doing much in the way of the newsworth stuff.

I mean yes Rick Santorum of frothy lube fame annouced he's was thinking about running for President a couple of weeks back but that hardly compete with what the lunatic fringe get up to.

Brainster · 26th September 2009, 11:32 PM

Originally Posted by Dr Adequate

That cartoon was advocating secession?

Golly. Who knew?

Well, let's see, there's Salon:

Quote:

In the days after the election, fantasies of blue-state secession ricocheted around the Internet. Liberals indulged themselves in maps showing Canada gathering the blue states into its social democratic embrace, leaving the red states to form their own "Jesusland." They passed around the scathing rant from the Web site **** the South, which lacerated the chauvinism of the "heartland" and pointed out that the coasts, far from destroying marriage, actually have lower divorce rates than the interior.

Matt Yglesias, writing at his "reality-based" blog:

Quote:

My official position is that this sort of talk is unseemly, unpatriotic, and counterproductive. Unofficially, it's pretty funny.

A San Francisco Weekly:

Quote:

"[C]itizens on the West Coast are finding themselves increasingly disenfranchised from the conservative cultural domination of the large middle and southern sections of the country, dubbed by some pundits as 'Jesusland,'" reads a manifesto on the home page of www.moveoncalifornia.org, the official Web site of the Committee to Explore California Secession.

Chaos · 27th September 2009, 03:22 AM

Originally Posted by INRM

After the civil war was there any specific law or regulation that made it illegal for a state to seceed?

Why should there have been? It was already illegal before the civil war.

Toke · 27th September 2009, 03:29 AM

Originally Posted by Chaos

Why should there have been? It was already illegal before the civil war.

A new civil war could make it legal.

Peephole · 27th September 2009, 02:21 PM

Originally Posted by Brainster

Well, let's see, there's Salon:

Matt Yglesias, writing at his "reality-based" blog:

A San Francisco Weekly:

"Anonymous people on the internet say stuff." News at 11.

pgwenthold · 27th September 2009, 03:14 PM

Originally Posted by Juniversal

Ahhh I can see it now. Texas secedes and becomes the primary target of mexican immigrant migration. They'd be begging to come back to the union lol..

Oh, there would be a lot more than that to it, even.

Let Texas secede, and place a trade embargo on them, and anyone that trades with them. No country is going to cross that picket line (unless the patriots in Texas decide they want to start trading with Cuba). And Texas needs the US far more than the US needs Texas. They aren't going to feed too many on sorghum and cotton, and it would take way too long for Texas to switch over to a self-sustaining society.

leftysergeant · 27th September 2009, 08:43 PM

Originally Posted by pgwenthold

They aren't going to feed too many on sorghum and cotton, and it would take way too long for Texas to switch over to a self-sustaining society.

And then you would have to take into consideration the drop in the average IQ when everyone employed directly or indirectly by NASA leaves to find work befitting their level of education.

quixotecoyote · 27th September 2009, 08:47 PM

Originally Posted by Brainster

Well, let's see, there's Salon:

And there's that false equivalency again.

If you can find a joke map and a handful of nuts with a website, you can pretend that serious treatment on a mainstream network can be waved off as the same thing.

ponderingturtle · 28th September 2009, 07:58 AM

Originally Posted by parky76

I'd love to see the part of the Constitution that talks about seccession from the Union.

Since when does anyone on fox care about the constitution when it gets in their way of doing what they want done?

ponderingturtle · 28th September 2009, 07:59 AM

Originally Posted by INRM

After the civil war was there any specific law or regulation that made it illegal for a state to seceed?

It kind of proved that it was not legal before the civil war.

Cleon · 28th September 2009, 08:27 AM

Originally Posted by Brainster

Well, let's remember, cranky liberals were talking secession after the 2004 election. Remember those maps of the United States of Canada and "Jesusland?"

You actually took that as a serious proposal for secession?

Wow. Just wow.

GreyArea · 28th September 2009, 08:31 AM

Originally Posted by parky76

I'd love to see the part of the Constitution that talks about seccession from the Union.

I think people have tried to argue it under the Tenth Amendment and "state's rights." The problem is, that amendment only talks about state's powers, not "rights." And it's pretty clear now that no state has the power to secede.

But what procedure and limitations would we find in an amendment that did allow secession? And would there be enough states to pass such an amendment?

Frankly, I don't think there would be. Even the states like Texas and Alaska would balk at all the restrictions and limitations. For one thing, they'd either lose all those military bases or have to buy them!

LostAngeles · 28th September 2009, 09:38 AM

I'd like to see Texas try. In which I mean, Gov. Perry announces the secession, and Rahm "King of ********" Emmanuel starts listing off everything that Texas has to give up, e.g. government facilities, tax money, and those who wish to remain American citizens.

And then tells Perry that once we have those back, don't let the door hit you in the ass.

See what the secessionists do then.

Dr Adequate · 28th September 2009, 10:50 AM

Originally Posted by LostAngeles

I'd like to see Texas try. In which I mean, Gov. Perry announces the secession, and Rahm "King of ********" Emmanuel starts listing off everything that Texas has to give up, e.g. government facilities, tax money, and those who wish to remain American citizens.

And then tells Perry that once we have those back, don't let the door hit you in the ass.

See what the secessionists do then.

I saw a proposal for Texan secession that explained all this.

Texas would blockade the rest of the US until it brought us to our knees.

Srsly.

Beerina · 28th September 2009, 10:52 AM

Texas had no intention of actually seceding until all the collapsed banks' patrons, i.e. voters, received their FDIC checks from several recessions ago.

I assume that's finished, though I don't know for sure.

elbe · 28th September 2009, 10:53 AM

Originally Posted by Dr Adequate

I saw a proposal for Texan secession that explained all this.

Texas would blockade the rest of the US until it brought us to our knees.

Srsly.

Well clearly the entire military would join Texas. Why wouldn't they?

LostAngeles · 28th September 2009, 11:00 AM

Originally Posted by Dr Adequate

I saw a proposal for Texan secession that explained all this.

Texas would blockade the rest of the US until it brought us to our knees.

Srsly.

I say, "Evidence," because that cannot not be made of awesome.

Darth Rotor · 28th September 2009, 01:52 PM

Originally Posted by parky76

I'd love to see the part of the Constitution that talks about seccession from the Union.

Read amendments nine and ten.

The sticky part is negotiating the disposition of the federal property in a given state that wants to secede. The other 49 states have a vested interest in that property.

It thus boils down to a land deal, and conversion of property via eminent domain, and such.

Lawyers, man your word processors ....

26th September 2009, 09:28 AM	#1
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26th September 2009, 09:43 AM	#3
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26th September 2009, 12:21 PM	#5
Brainster Philosopher Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,063	Originally Posted by Puppycow Link (Lew Rockwell wrote Ron Paul's racist newsletters) Here he is on Judge Napolitano's show saying that states can secede or nullify federal laws. Not mentioned is something that happened in 1860-65 which settled that question. This seems a bit extreme even for Fox News. I thought that Fox News started out just slightly right-of-center, but now it is becoming more and more friendly with the loony right. Napolitano is a fruitcake; a few months ago he had Alex Jones on his show and introduced him as "the great Alex Jones". That, to me, indicated that Napolitano has no business being on TV; he should be running a crank internet radio show.
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26th September 2009, 01:07 PM	#7
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 14,451	Originally Posted by Brainster Napolitano is a fruitcake; a few months ago he had Alex Jones on his show and introduced him as "the great Alex Jones". That, to me, indicated that Napolitano has no business being on TV; he should be running a crank internet radio show. Agreed. I haved been a semi defender of Fox News at times...mainly because I get sick of the endless Lefty whining about how biased it is..as if biased news was something brand new and unheard of...but Fox does seem to be going from appealing to main stream Conservatives to appealing to the lunatic fringe on the right, probably because of the unexpected sucess of Glenn Beck. I know someone is going to post that Fox has always appealed to the extreme right, but I note that a great many Left Wing ideologues cannot distinguish between mainstream conservatism and the lunatic frings, just like a many Right Wing ideologues cannot distinguish between mainstream Liberalism and the Extreme Left.
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26th September 2009, 09:37 AM	#2
Policenaut Graduate Poster Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Shadow Moses Island Posts: 1,331	Secession talk has been going on for a while: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,278564,00.html Mostly I remember it from Texas, Alaska and Vermont.

26th September 2009, 01:04 PM	#6
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 14,451	Right, Lew. It REALLY worked well last time somebody tried. Guess he never heard about Appomatox.... As a Civil War buff, this is the funniest thing ever.

26th September 2009, 01:25 PM	#8
Cleon King of the Pod People Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 14,362	Originally Posted by dudalb Agreed. I haved been a semi defender of Fox News at times...mainly because I get sick of the endless Lefty whining about how biased it is..as if biased news was something brand new and unheard of...but Fox does seem to be going from appealing to main stream Conservatives to appealing to the lunatic fringe on the right, probably because of the unexpected sucess of Glenn Beck. I know someone is going to post that Fox has always appealed to the extreme right, but I note that a great many Left Wing ideologues cannot distinguish between mainstream conservatism and the lunatic frings, just like a many Right Wing ideologues cannot distinguish between mainstream Liberalism and the Extreme Left. That's largely because the line between "mainstream conservatism" and "the lunatic fringe" isn't particularly clear these days. It's not just Fox News; Limbaugh seems to carry more weight than Michael Steele among conservatives these days. So where is the line drawn? If Fox is "appealing to the lunatic fringe" more these days, does that mean they're ignoring the majority of conservatives, or does it mean that "mainstream conservatives" are moving more towards the "lunatic fringe?"
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Cain Contrarian Join Date: May 2002 Location: S. California Posts: 3,958	I support secession. Unless they intend to bring back slavery. Get rid of most of the South, I say. Then those conservatives living up in evil New York City and Washington D.C. can move out to their Biblical paradise.
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Toke Godless Socialist Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Denmark Posts: 4,180	Originally Posted by LibraryLady Any relation to this guy? Amazing. Anyway having texas try to secede with all the fundies will likely be a mess just like last time.
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parky76 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 15,498	I'd love to see the part of the Constitution that talks about seccession from the Union.
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26th September 2009, 04:51 PM	#13
Puppycow Philosopher Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Japan Posts: 6,323	Originally Posted by Policenaut Secession talk has been going on for a while: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,278564,00.html Mostly I remember it from Texas, Alaska and Vermont. But I think it's different now. Your link is more of a news story about people who want to secede, while this seems more about editorializing in favor of secession. Originally Posted by Ausmerican Any chance that this would be like the rapture? Texas secedes and all the fundies rush to move there, so to the rest of us, they are just......gone. Originally Posted by Cain I support secession. Unless they intend to bring back slavery. Get rid of most of the South, I say. Then those conservatives living up in evil New York City and Washington D.C. can move out to their Biblical paradise. These may be in jest, but in case they aren't, I think too many people gave their lives in the Civil War to allow this, and it would create more problems than it solves. Originally Posted by LibraryLady Any relation to this guy? Not that I am aware of. Probably no relation to Norman Rockwell the painter either. Originally Posted by Brainster Napolitano is a fruitcake; a few months ago he had Alex Jones on his show and introduced him as "the great Alex Jones". That, to me, indicated that Napolitano has no business being on TV; he should be running a crank internet radio show. Wow. Just amazing. Originally Posted by dudalb Agreed. I haved been a semi defender of Fox News at times...mainly because I get sick of the endless Lefty whining about how biased it is..as if biased news was something brand new and unheard of...but Fox does seem to be going from appealing to main stream Conservatives to appealing to the lunatic fringe on the right, probably because of the unexpected sucess of Glenn Beck. I also agree with this. It's a mixed bag, but there seems to be more and more looniness in the mix lately.
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INRM Illuminator Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 3,577	After the civil war was there any specific law or regulation that made it illegal for a state to seceed?
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Brainster Philosopher Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,063	Well, let's remember, cranky liberals were talking secession after the 2004 election. Remember those maps of the United States of Canada and "Jesusland?"
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26th September 2009, 10:07 PM	#17
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 14,451	Originally Posted by INRM After the civil war was there any specific law or regulation that made it illegal for a state to seceed? I think that issue was decided by Generals Grant and Sherman.....

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26th September 2009, 11:05 PM	#19
Dr Adequate Banned Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Waiting Long Enough By The River Posts: 17,902	Originally Posted by Brainster Well, let's remember, cranky liberals were talking secession after the 2004 election. Remember those maps of the United States of Canada and "Jesusland?" That cartoon was advocating secession? Golly. Who knew?

26th September 2009, 11:15 PM	#20
leftysergeant Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Spanaway WA Posts: 6,717	Originally Posted by Brainster That, to me, indicated that Napolitano has no business being on TV; he should be running a crank internet radio show. Here in the Seattle market he is on the crank radio with Brian Kilmeade. I think it's the same station that carries either Mark Levin or Michael Wiener. Hard to remember which. I only listen to them when the station that runs AAR is preempted for football.

26th September 2009, 11:21 PM	#21
leftysergeant Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Spanaway WA Posts: 6,717	Originally Posted by Juniversal Ahhh I can see it now. Texas secedes and becomes the primary target of mexican immigrant migration. They'd be begging to come back to the union lol.. If they try to cecede, we can re-name it Aztlan and pull all of our military equipment (including that provided by the Federal government to the Texas National Guard) and all postal equipment and government-owned computers and basicly anything the Feds can pull up off the floor, then set cratering charges in all the intersatate highways at the new border.

26th September 2009, 11:24 PM	#22
geni Anti-homeopathy illuminati member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: UK Posts: 20,280	Originally Posted by Brainster Well, let's remember, cranky liberals were talking secession after the 2004 election. Remember those maps of the United States of Canada and "Jesusland?" Technicaly that would be anexation no?

26th September 2009, 11:31 PM	#23
geni Anti-homeopathy illuminati member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: UK Posts: 20,280	Originally Posted by Cleon That's largely because the line between "mainstream conservatism" and "the lunatic fringe" isn't particularly clear these days. It's not just Fox News; Limbaugh seems to carry more weight than Michael Steele among conservatives these days. So where is the line drawn? If Fox is "appealing to the lunatic fringe" more these days, does that mean they're ignoring the majority of conservatives, or does it mean that "mainstream conservatives" are moving more towards the "lunatic fringe?" Alturnatively mainsteam conservatives want news about people doing convservative things and the lunatic fringe are the only ones doing much in the way of the newsworth stuff. I mean yes Rick Santorum of frothy lube fame annouced he's was thinking about running for President a couple of weeks back but that hardly compete with what the lunatic fringe get up to.

26th September 2009, 11:32 PM	#24
Brainster Philosopher Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,063	Originally Posted by Dr Adequate That cartoon was advocating secession? Golly. Who knew? Well, let's see, there's Salon: Quote: In the days after the election, fantasies of blue-state secession ricocheted around the Internet. Liberals indulged themselves in maps showing Canada gathering the blue states into its social democratic embrace, leaving the red states to form their own "Jesusland." They passed around the scathing rant from the Web site **** the South, which lacerated the chauvinism of the "heartland" and pointed out that the coasts, far from destroying marriage, actually have lower divorce rates than the interior. Matt Yglesias, writing at his "reality-based" blog: Quote: My official position is that this sort of talk is unseemly, unpatriotic, and counterproductive. Unofficially, it's pretty funny. A San Francisco Weekly: Quote: "[C]itizens on the West Coast are finding themselves increasingly disenfranchised from the conservative cultural domination of the large middle and southern sections of the country, dubbed by some pundits as 'Jesusland,'" reads a manifesto on the home page of www.moveoncalifornia.org, the official Web site of the Committee to Explore California Secession.
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27th September 2009, 03:22 AM	#25
Chaos TAM Chocolate Dispenser Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Heart of Old Europe Posts: 6,360	Originally Posted by INRM After the civil war was there any specific law or regulation that made it illegal for a state to seceed? Why should there have been? It was already illegal before the civil war.
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27th September 2009, 03:29 AM	#26
Toke Godless Socialist Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Denmark Posts: 4,180	Originally Posted by Chaos Why should there have been? It was already illegal before the civil war. A new civil war could make it legal.
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27th September 2009, 02:21 PM	#27
Peephole Graduate Poster Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Belgium Posts: 1,328	Originally Posted by Brainster Well, let's see, there's Salon: Matt Yglesias, writing at his "reality-based" blog: A San Francisco Weekly: "Anonymous people on the internet say stuff." News at 11.
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27th September 2009, 03:14 PM	#28
pgwenthold Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 8,795	Originally Posted by Juniversal Ahhh I can see it now. Texas secedes and becomes the primary target of mexican immigrant migration. They'd be begging to come back to the union lol.. Oh, there would be a lot more than that to it, even. Let Texas secede, and place a trade embargo on them, and anyone that trades with them. No country is going to cross that picket line (unless the patriots in Texas decide they want to start trading with Cuba). And Texas needs the US far more than the US needs Texas. They aren't going to feed too many on sorghum and cotton, and it would take way too long for Texas to switch over to a self-sustaining society.
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27th September 2009, 08:43 PM	#29
leftysergeant Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Spanaway WA Posts: 6,717	Originally Posted by pgwenthold They aren't going to feed too many on sorghum and cotton, and it would take way too long for Texas to switch over to a self-sustaining society. And then you would have to take into consideration the drop in the average IQ when everyone employed directly or indirectly by NASA leaves to find work befitting their level of education.

27th September 2009, 08:47 PM	#30
quixotecoyote Howling to glory I go Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 6,300	Originally Posted by Brainster Well, let's see, there's Salon: And there's that false equivalency again. If you can find a joke map and a handful of nuts with a website, you can pretend that serious treatment on a mainstream network can be waved off as the same thing.
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28th September 2009, 07:58 AM	#31
ponderingturtle Orthogonal Vector Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Ossining NY Posts: 18,770	Originally Posted by parky76 I'd love to see the part of the Constitution that talks about seccession from the Union. Since when does anyone on fox care about the constitution when it gets in their way of doing what they want done?
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28th September 2009, 07:59 AM	#32
ponderingturtle Orthogonal Vector Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Ossining NY Posts: 18,770	Originally Posted by INRM After the civil war was there any specific law or regulation that made it illegal for a state to seceed? It kind of proved that it was not legal before the civil war.
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28th September 2009, 08:27 AM	#33
Cleon King of the Pod People Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 14,362	Originally Posted by Brainster Well, let's remember, cranky liberals were talking secession after the 2004 election. Remember those maps of the United States of Canada and "Jesusland?" You actually took that as a serious proposal for secession? Wow. Just wow.
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28th September 2009, 08:31 AM	#34
GreyArea Scholar Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 51	Originally Posted by parky76 I'd love to see the part of the Constitution that talks about seccession from the Union. I think people have tried to argue it under the Tenth Amendment and "state's rights." The problem is, that amendment only talks about state's powers, not "rights." And it's pretty clear now that no state has the power to secede. But what procedure and limitations would we find in an amendment that did allow secession? And would there be enough states to pass such an amendment? Frankly, I don't think there would be. Even the states like Texas and Alaska would balk at all the restrictions and limitations. For one thing, they'd either lose all those military bases or have to buy them!
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28th September 2009, 09:38 AM	#35
LostAngeles Anti-WM Jihadist Join Date: May 2004 Location: Having a cup of tea. Posts: 10,025	I'd like to see Texas try. In which I mean, Gov. Perry announces the secession, and Rahm "King of ********" Emmanuel starts listing off everything that Texas has to give up, e.g. government facilities, tax money, and those who wish to remain American citizens. And then tells Perry that once we have those back, don't let the door hit you in the ass. See what the secessionists do then.
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