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jsfisher · 13th February 2011, 07:57 PM

Originally Posted by Ladewig

~~Many of~~ the posts have no content ~~other than a single link.~~

Fixed if for you.

grndslm · 13th February 2011, 10:39 PM

Why, thank you all...

The sub-forums are fine as they are. The users are coming, slowly but surely.

The information is coming as well. And it's pretty packed, if you ask me, for only being 10 days old.

Just need to get the google crawlies on my webs.

This forum was one of the first that came up when searching for Freemen Forums, or something like that. Go figure.

Love, Peace, & hair Grease.

grndslm · 13th February 2011, 10:48 PM

Originally Posted by Ladewig

Here's your link

freemen.freeforums.org

Thanks!!

Originally Posted by Ladewig

.................................................. ............
ETA: If you have the host's ear you may want to suggest that the definitions section actually include definitions.

freemen.freeforums.org/words-terms-defined-f30.html

Nothing is gained by defining lawful as: " 'Lawful' is what it is all about. 'Lawful' .vs. 'unlawful'. Do not get trapped into discussing 'legal'/'illegal'."

I completely agree! Words & Terms was a very big thread on our old forum, so I figured it deserved a forum of its own, considering Law is nothing more than people using words as power over other people. Very, very important for someone like myself who spent most of school in math & science classes.

Originally Posted by Horatius

Oh, and:

freemen.freeforums.org/pros-cons-of-trademarking-my-name-t83.html

Trademarking doesn't work like that.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trademark
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_trademark_law

So, in the example you use, "Sarah Palin", she might be able to trademark her name, because she's using it to market actual products - books, personal appearances, Shooting expeditions in the Alaskan Wilderness, whatever. You would only be able to do the same if you're using you name in some sort of similar capacity - and intend to keep on doing that.

Yes, trademarking does work like that. How hard is it for you to form a corporation with your legal name??

Perhaps some Smiths and Joneses can't trademark their names, but mine is unique enough that there would be absolutely no issue.

Heck... pick any name that you want. You're not stuck with the one that your parents gave you.

zooterkin · 13th February 2011, 11:08 PM

Originally Posted by Horatius

Total posts 218 • Total topics 106 • Total members 23

Number of sub-fora, excluding admin ones like "Terms of Use": 23.

Just a friendly suggestion: less is more, when you have an average of just over 2 posts/topic, and about 5 topics/forum.

Not to mention one sub-forum per member!

jargon buster · 14th February 2011, 12:23 AM

Is it worth me signing up on your site grndslm?
Are you and your freemen up to the challenge , or will it be another instant ban?

grndslm · 14th February 2011, 12:33 AM

Give it another 10 days, and I'm sure I'll have at least 2x as many users and 4x the posts.

Originally Posted by jargon buster

Is it worth me signing up on your site grndslm?
Are you and your freemen up to the challenge , or will it be another instant ban?

I'm currently letting the Mexican keep his "real patriot act" thread where we call the local "authorities" on the zionist jews. I might warn him that I'll delete his thread if he doesn't come back and play.

The Truth is somewhere in the middle, and my middle name is Challenge. So bring it ON!

Our old site had no admin/mods around, so there were a few trolls that we had to run away on our own. I kinda liked that Spirit of brains over brawn, so I'll be keeping that Spirit alive.

jargon buster · 14th February 2011, 12:55 AM

Quote:

The Truth is somewhere in the middle, and my middle name is Challenge. So bring it ON!

Are you sure now?
Menards WFS couldnt handle it, Ickes couldnt handle it, TPUC couldnt handle it, Freeman Ireland etc,etc
Are you sure you are different from these?

By the way, define "troll"

jargon buster · 14th February 2011, 03:59 AM

H2pogo on Ickes wrote
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showp...78&postcount=6

Quote:

I have been self employed most my life and one time i did register so my partner could continue to get her tax credits i started to get loads of nasty forms and threats..

If you are not registered its like you legally don't exist.
And it true to say you don't contract or have any business with them..

So he feels its OK to contract when he can take from the system but not obligated to contract when the money goes the other way.

No wonder they get the tag "freeloader on the land"

Horatius · 14th February 2011, 04:55 AM

Originally Posted by grndslm

Yes, trademarking does work like that. How hard is it for you to form a corporation with your legal name??

Perhaps some Smiths and Joneses can't trademark their names, but mine is unique enough that there would be absolutely no issue.

Heck... pick any name that you want. You're not stuck with the one that your parents gave you.

It's not enough to "form a corporation", you have to actually be using the name in commerce in order to qualify for trademark protection. It's a fundamental requirement.

What goods or services are you offering under your name?

What goods and services would any Random Freeman be offering under their name?

And how would a cop using your name constitute an infringement of that trademark?

Quote:

How to Trademark a Name

Anyone whose name also identifies a business or profession should consider trademarking their actual name. If you are considering establishing a trademark for your name, you should first perform a trademark search with LegalZoom or by going to the US Patent and Trademark Office's (USPTO) website at www.uspto.gov, to determine if it is claimed as a mark by someone else. The USPTO reviews trademark applications and determines whether an applicant meets the requirements for federal registration.

Quote:

The term use in commerce refers to the bona fide use of a trademark or service mark in either interstate or foreign commerce in the ordinary course of trade. The Lanham Act (U.S. trademark law) provides that:
“ a mark shall be deemed to be in "use in commerce" —

(1) on goods when —

(A) it is placed in any manner on the goods or their containers or the displays associated therewith or on the tags or labels affixed thereto, or if the nature of the goods makes such placement impracticable, then on documents associated with the goods or their sale, and
(B) the goods are sold or transported in commerce, and

(2) on services when it is used or displayed in the sale or advertising of services and the services are rendered in commerce, or the services are rendered in more than one State or in the United States and a foreign country and the person rendering the services is engaged in commerce in connection with the services.”[2]

jargon buster · 14th February 2011, 05:03 AM

He may switch to "copyright" now, they normally do when you point out the flaws in the trademark theory.

gtm · 14th February 2011, 05:05 AM

Originally Posted by grndslm

Freemen.Freeforums.org

A Forum for Freemen who understand the "Systems" of Law and Money

In my experience freemen have very little 'understanding' of law & money systems. Nonetheless, it's to your credit that you've taken the trouble to vist the 'wrecking crew' here at the JREF Forum. Most Freemen don't last to long.

Horatius · 14th February 2011, 05:28 AM

Originally Posted by jargon buster

He may switch to "copyright" now, they normally do when you point out the flaws in the trademark theory.

Thing is, some of these guys probably could trademark their names, as "Selling crap to stupid people" is (sort of) a legitimate business. The problem arises when they suggest it as a solution for everybody, ignoring the "use in commerce" requirement.

Oh, and then thinking that having a trademark means you can sue anyone who even says your name for "infringement".

http://freemen.freeforums.org/pros-c...-t83.html#p145

Quote:

If a cop asks for my name, I can honestly say, "I own that, I have trademarked it, and I DO NOT give you permission to use my name in anyway"....

That seems like it nips a lot of statutory citations in the bud. Does it not?

Quote:

Trademark infringement is a violation of the exclusive rights attaching to a trademark without the authorization of the trademark owner or any licensees (provided that such authorization was within the scope of the license). Infringement may occur when one party, the "infringer", uses a trademark which is identical or confusingly similar to a trademark owned by another party, in relation to products or services which are identical or similar to the products or services which the registration covers.

So, what "products or services which are identical or similar to the products or services which the registration covers" is the cop offering in the above example?

Stupid on so many levels.

jargon buster · 14th February 2011, 05:45 AM

Im going to sign up later and upset the applecart.

Horatius · 14th February 2011, 06:07 AM

Originally Posted by jargon buster

Im going to sign up later and upset the applecart.

"You just got Jargon Busted(tm)!"

Toke · 14th February 2011, 06:43 AM

Originally Posted by jargon buster

Im going to sign up later and upset the applecart.

I wonder how long before you are banned.
Their fantacy world does not welcome injections of reality.

Ladewig · 14th February 2011, 06:46 AM

Originally Posted by grndslm

I completely agree! Words & Terms was a very big thread on our old forum, so I figured it deserved a forum of its own, considering Law is nothing more than people using words as power over other people. Very, very important for someone like myself who spent most of school in math & science classes.

Speaking of lawful and legal, I couldn't find anything on your site about Admiralty Law. Do you have any opinion or information about Admiralty Law in general and about gold-fringed flags in particular?

tsig · 14th February 2011, 07:01 AM

Originally Posted by jargon buster

Im going to sign up later and upset the applecart.

You might ask where this came from:

In fact the label "Sovereign" means nothing more than a higher form of slave within the system controlled by the Venetian Slavemasters, with its original latin components being:
solus : alone, only, the only.
vere : truly, really, actually, rightly.
rex regis : king
ignis : (of) fire.
ignarus -(of the) ignorant.

Since it disagrees with this.

late 13c., from O.Fr. soverain, from V.L. *superanus "chief, principal," from L. super "over" (see super-). Spelling influenced by folk-etymology association with reign. Milton spelled it sovran, as though from It. sovrano. Meaning "gold coin worth 22s 6d" first recorded late 15c.; value changed 1817 to 1 pound. As an adj., attested from early 14c.; of remedies or medicines, "potent in a high degree," from late 14c.

jeffwode · 14th February 2011, 07:31 AM

Just joined the forum to say thanks to everybody who contributed to this epic thread. I spent a large part of my weekend reading through it with a mixture of amusement and horror. It really is a whole new world of insanity.

As I don't think it's been mentioned so far, Freeman Mark Bond made a video last week in which he was looking noticeably less cocksure after CID told him to expect a knock on his door due to his FOTL antics appearing on Youtube. That may have now arrived as he has removed all his vids in the last few hours.

Then there is the case of Freeman Ben Lowrey (see 'Ben Lowrey arrested for travelling' and follow-up vids on YT). This hapless dupe appears to have undergone a particularly severe case of brainwashing. In true FOTL fashion, he was arrested - sorry, 'kidnapped' - for a string of motoring offences he didn't consent to while driving on the roads he doesn't consent to paying for. The arrest videos are particularly amusing. The cheerful rozzers immediately spot the flaws in the FOTL philosophy and find Lowrey's claims to not be a UK citizen inconsistent with his Pop Larkin accent. Inevitably, the FOTL threatens to "activate his fee schedule" for wasting his valuable time shortly being clapped in irons.

Ladewig · 14th February 2011, 07:41 AM

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gtm · 14th February 2011, 07:49 AM

Originally Posted by tsig

You might ask where this came from:

In fact the label "Sovereign" means nothing more than a higher form of slave within the system controlled by the Venetian Slavemasters, with its original latin components being:
solus : alone, only, the only.
vere : truly, really, actually, rightly.
rex regis : king
ignis : (of) fire.
ignarus -(of the) ignorant.

Since it disagrees with this.

late 13c., from O.Fr. soverain, from V.L. *superanus "chief, principal," from L. super "over" (see super-). Spelling influenced by folk-etymology association with reign. Milton spelled it sovran, as though from It. sovrano. Meaning "gold coin worth 22s 6d" first recorded late 15c.; value changed 1817 to 1 pound. As an adj., attested from early 14c.; of remedies or medicines, "potent in a high degree," from late 14c.

Venetian slave masters? That rings alarm bells & has to be UCADIA. The mainstream FMOTL'ers probably don't know where Venice is (they probably think it's a kind of Pizza)

Originally Posted by jeffwode

Just joined the forum to say thanks to everybody who contributed to this epic thread. I spent a large part of my weekend reading through it with a mixture of amusement and horror. It really is a whole new world of insanity.

As I don't think it's been mentioned so far, Freeman Mark Bond made a video last week in which he was looking noticeably less cocksure after CID told him to expect a knock on his door due to his FOTL antics appearing on Youtube. That may have now arrived as he has removed all his vids in the last few hours.

Then there is the case of Freeman Ben Lowrey (see 'Ben Lowrey arrested for travelling' and follow-up vids on YT). This hapless dupe appears to have undergone a particularly severe case of brainwashing. In true FOTL fashion, he was arrested - sorry, 'kidnapped' - for a string of motoring offences he didn't consent to while driving on the roads he doesn't consent to paying for. The arrest videos are particularly amusing. The cheerful rozzers immediately spot the flaws in the FOTL philosophy and find Lowrey's claims to not be a UK citizen inconsistent with his Pop Larkin accent. Inevitably, the FOTL threatens to "activate his fee schedule" for wasting his valuable time shortly being clapped in irons.

Welcome Jeff,

We've followed the Bond case closely. He started a thread about the impending 'feeling of his collar' on the Icke forum. He is thinking about dropping FMOTL.

jargon buster · 14th February 2011, 07:51 AM

http://freemen.freeforums.org/hello-all-t126.html

Right, Im on.
Lets see how long for

Ladewig · 14th February 2011, 07:52 AM

Originally Posted by jeffwode

Then there is the case of Freeman Ben Lowrey (see 'Ben Lowrey arrested for travelling' and follow-up vids on YT). This hapless dupe appears to have undergone a particularly severe case of brainwashing. In true FOTL fashion, he was arrested - sorry, 'kidnapped' - for a string of motoring offences he didn't consent to while driving on the roads he doesn't consent to paying for. The arrest videos are particularly amusing. The cheerful rozzers immediately spot the flaws in the FOTL philosophy and find Lowrey's claims to not be a UK citizen inconsistent with his Pop Larkin accent. Inevitably, the FOTL threatens to "activate his fee schedule" for wasting his valuable time shortly being clapped in irons.

Arrested for traveling (part 1) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTicurNEEOQ

wait, did it take one hour for him to be arrested?

jeffwode · 14th February 2011, 07:56 AM

Quote:

wait, did it take one hour for him to be arrested?

He's quite a talker.

Grassy Knowlington · 14th February 2011, 08:11 AM

Originally Posted by jeffwode

He's quite a talker.

Off thread, are you a 'Withnail & I' fan?

jeffwode · 14th February 2011, 08:15 AM

Originally Posted by Grassy Knowlington

Off thread, are you a 'Withnail & I' fan?

How did you guess?

His head must weight fifty pounds on its own.

Grassy Knowlington · 14th February 2011, 08:32 AM

Originally Posted by jeffwode

How did you guess?

His head must weight fifty pounds on its own.

Just imagine getting into a fight with the ******

jeffwode · 14th February 2011, 11:43 AM

Originally Posted by gtm

Venetian slave masters? That rings alarm bells & has to be UCADIA. The mainstream FMOTL'ers probably don't know where Venice is (they probably think it's a kind of Pizza)

Welcome Jeff,

We've followed the Bond case closely. He started a thread about the impending 'feeling of his collar' on the Icke forum. He is thinking about dropping FMOTL.

Thanks. Nice to be here.

I'm pleased to hear Bond's seen the light. Most FOTLs wake up and give up when reality comes crashing down on them in court. They lose a few quid, usually not too much, and give us a few laughs along the way.

More worrying are the few who keep pushing it, all of whom can only be mentally ill and are being manipulated by the likes of Menard and St Clair, which is unforgivable. There are also a few extreme libertarians/anarchists who appear to have no immediate financial problems but soon will have if they hold true to their word and engage in 'lawful rebellion' (see the blogs of 'Old Holborn' and 'Captain Ranty' for example.) I'm afraid this lunacy might be around for some time to come.

gtm · 14th February 2011, 12:02 PM

Originally Posted by jeffwode

Thanks. Nice to be here.

I'm pleased to hear Bond's seen the light. Most FOTLs wake up and give up when reality comes crashing down on them in court. They lose a few quid, usually not too much, and give us a few laughs along the way.

More worrying are the few who keep pushing it, all of whom can only be mentally ill and are being manipulated by the likes of Menard and St Clair, which is unforgivable. There are also a few extreme libertarians/anarchists who appear to have no immediate financial problems but soon will have if they hold true to their word and engage in 'lawful rebellion' (see the blogs of 'Old Holborn' and 'Captain Ranty' for example.) I'm afraid this lunacy might be around for some time to come.

Hopefully, Bond will see sense, purge his contempt with a grovelling apology & live 'happily' ever after.

I've noticed a cross over between 'freemanery' & the far right. Ever heard of Brian Gerrish & UK Column site? His main 'business' is exposing the NWO but he's also runnning a council tax case using FMOTL principles. The far right love the NWO stuff he does. I also say a discussion about FMOTL on the loathsome VNN forum & there is a vein of anti semitism in some FMOTL discussions (fractional reserve banking = financial institutions = jews).

Watch out for Veronica Chapman. She is outraged that she has to pay for anything ever

jeffwode · 14th February 2011, 12:26 PM

Originally Posted by gtm

Hopefully, Bond will see sense, purge his contempt with a grovelling apology & live 'happily' ever after.

I've noticed a cross over between 'freemanery' & the far right. Ever heard of Brian Gerrish & UK Column site? His main 'business' is exposing the NWO but he's also runnning a council tax case using FMOTL principles. The far right love the NWO stuff he does. I also say a discussion about FMOTL on the loathsome VNN forum & there is a vein of anti semitism in some FMOTL discussions (fractional reserve banking = financial institutions = jews).

Watch out for Veronica Chapman. She is outraged that she has to pay for anything ever

I only came across UK column while reading about FOTL. They're running a story ('The cat's out of the bag') at the moment which is being touted as another mighty success for the freeloaders.

Excerpt:

Me: Sir, I asked if you were familiar with the Cestui Que Vie Act of 1666, if you are not Sir, then with respect you are not competent to judge in this matter and that gives rise to a claim of denial of due process.

Judge: Let’s hear from the council.

Me: Sir we can only move on to the council’s presentation when the court has confirmed that MR ROGER HAYES is represented in court.

Judge: Fine.

And the case continued.... with me (Roger Hayes) acting as third party representative for the legal fiction MR ROGER HAYES and with the judge eventually telling the council to go away and prove its case. The Judge was obviously very keen to avoid a charge of denial of due process i.e. a challenge to his competence. It was much easier for him to side with me and pass the buck back to the council.

Smart judge.

So what does this all mean? Well In very simple terms, it is SEISMIC i.e. extremely significant. It means that the court has accepted that the council’s claim is against the legal fiction MR ROGER HAYES and not me the flesh and blood man Roger Hayes. The court has also accepted that I (Roger Hayes) can act as a third party representative to defend the claim against MR ROGER HAYES.
The legal fiction cat is now truly out of the bag (although for me this is the second time I have achieved this in court). If the council goes on to win its case, then the court will find against the legal fiction MR ROGER HAYES, but significantly, they will not have found against me Roger Hayes... because as the court agrees... MR ROGER HAYES is a corporation... which isn’t me. One important thing is now clearly established - I, Roger Hayes, am not liable for council tax. AND NEITHER ARE YOU.

Leaving aside the fact that this is one man's recollection of events, I cannot see how even FTOLs can view this is a triumph. Judge opens case. FTOL spouts rubbish. Judge ignores him. The end. Except it's not the end because, as usual, we don't get to hear what happened next - most likely: FTOL grips the oak. Judge throws book at FTOL.

Not familiar with VNN though. Should I be? I don't normally delve this deeply into the internet's bowels.

gtm · 14th February 2011, 12:53 PM

Originally Posted by jeffwode

Not familiar with VNN though. Should I be? I don't normally delve this deeply into the internet's bowels.

I wouldn't bother unless your really interested.

Have a look at the CQV 1666 thread.

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=200370

There's some info about the 'new kids on the block' - UCADIA.

abaddon · 14th February 2011, 01:31 PM

Hello,

Long time lurker, first time poster.

I have been reading the FOTL rubbish with morbid fascination.

How in the name of anything can they believe this stuff will fly?

It has been like watching a slo-mo car wreck over the past observation of their delusional bovine excrement.

Kudos to all you guys providing rational rebuttal.

Vladd · 14th February 2011, 01:34 PM

Originally Posted by abaddon

Hello,

Long time lurker, first time poster.

I have been reading the FOTL rubbish with morbid fascination.

How in the name of anything can they believe this stuff will fly?

It has been like watching a slo-mo car wreck over the past observation of their delusional bovine excrement.

Kudos to all you guys providing rational rebuttal.

You should check out the FOTL section over on David Icke forums
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=60 although compared with the lunacy that is UCADIA FOTL seems rational.

abaddon · 14th February 2011, 01:42 PM

Originally Posted by Vladd

You should check out the FOTL section over on David Icke forums
although compared with the lunacy that is UCADIA FOTL seems rational.

Already a member there, mostly for the entertainment value.

I remain amazed at the level of woo which people entertain as even in the realm of possibility, let alone reality.

The UCADIA is new to me, and seems bonkers straight out of the box.

gtm · 14th February 2011, 01:50 PM

Originally Posted by abaddon

Hello,

Long time lurker, first time poster.

I have been reading the FOTL rubbish with morbid fascination.

How in the name of anything can they believe this stuff will fly?

It has been like watching a slo-mo car wreck over the past observation of their delusional bovine excrement.

Kudos to all you guys providing rational rebuttal.

I don't know why we bother - I don't think we've ever successfully 'turned' a hardcore Freeman.

drkitten · 14th February 2011, 01:53 PM

Originally Posted by gtm

I don't know why we bother - I don't think we've ever successfully 'turned' a hardcore Freeman.

I think abbadon may have answered your question.

We've not turned any hardcore Freemen, but lots of softcore Freemen find this site.

abaddon · 14th February 2011, 01:57 PM

Originally Posted by drkitten

I think abbadon may have answered your question.

We've not turned any hardcore Freemen, but lots of softcore Freemen find this site.

Maybe.

This site gets very high google ratings.

Any rational thinking that gets results is a good thing.

At least the gullible get to see some rational thought.

abaddon · 14th February 2011, 02:03 PM

Originally Posted by drkitten

I think abbadon may have answered your question.

We've not turned any hardcore Freemen, but lots of softcore Freemen find this site.

And I very much doubt it is possible to "turn a hardcore freeman".

They are to far invested in a false belief.

It is, however, worth trying to convert the undecided.

jargon buster · 14th February 2011, 02:34 PM

Well that didnt take long, it looks like job done

http://freemen.freeforums.org/withdr...nked-t127.html

3 posts, and grndslm admits his withdrawal of consent has no legal/lawful standing.
by the way, I think its our old pal "Especially"

abaddon · 14th February 2011, 02:49 PM

Originally Posted by jargon buster

Well that didnt take long, it looks like job done

3 posts, and grndslm admits his withdrawal of consent has no legal/lawful standing.
by the way, I think its our old pal "Especially"

Fair play, JB, I suspect I could not have resisted the urge to profusively swear my *** off.

HandyRandy · 14th February 2011, 03:07 PM

i know i am just a lurker here and have been acused of bieng the Menard guy, but i am kinda confused.

jargon buster says:

Quote:

3 posts, and grndslm admits his withdrawal of consent has no legal/lawful standing.

but i read the post, and it says he does not admit.

Quote:

I'm not admitting anything.

did he admit or not?

it looks to me like he didnt.

Do you folks on this forum take this:
I'm not admitting anything.
to mean this:
admits his withdrawal of consent has no legal/lawful standing.

Just trying to figure this out...
Trying to figure out if I shood listen to what jargon buster says, once he is caught in a lie is all...

13th February 2011, 07:57 PM	#5001
jsfisher ETcorngods survivor Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 11,622	Originally Posted by Ladewig ~~Many of~~ the posts have no content ~~other than a single link.~~ Fixed if for you.
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13th February 2011, 10:39 PM	#5002
grndslm Banned Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 249	Why, thank you all... The sub-forums are fine as they are. The users are coming, slowly but surely. The information is coming as well. And it's pretty packed, if you ask me, for only being 10 days old. Just need to get the google crawlies on my webs. This forum was one of the first that came up when searching for Freemen Forums, or something like that. Go figure. Love, Peace, & hair Grease.
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13th February 2011, 10:48 PM	#5003
grndslm Banned Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 249	Originally Posted by Ladewig Here's your link freemen.freeforums.org Thanks!! Originally Posted by Ladewig .................................................. ............ ETA: If you have the host's ear you may want to suggest that the definitions section actually include definitions. freemen.freeforums.org/words-terms-defined-f30.html Nothing is gained by defining lawful as: " 'Lawful' is what it is all about. 'Lawful' .vs. 'unlawful'. Do not get trapped into discussing 'legal'/'illegal'." I completely agree! Words & Terms was a very big thread on our old forum, so I figured it deserved a forum of its own, considering Law is nothing more than people using words as power over other people. Very, very important for someone like myself who spent most of school in math & science classes. Originally Posted by Horatius Oh, and: freemen.freeforums.org/pros-cons-of-trademarking-my-name-t83.html Trademarking doesn't work like that. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trademark en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_trademark_law So, in the example you use, "Sarah Palin", she might be able to trademark her name, because she's using it to market actual products - books, personal appearances, Shooting expeditions in the Alaskan Wilderness, whatever. You would only be able to do the same if you're using you name in some sort of similar capacity - and intend to keep on doing that. Yes, trademarking does work like that. How hard is it for you to form a corporation with your legal name?? Perhaps some Smiths and Joneses can't trademark their names, but mine is unique enough that there would be absolutely no issue. Heck... pick any name that you want. You're not stuck with the one that your parents gave you.
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13th February 2011, 11:08 PM	#5004
zooterkin Nitpicking dilettante Moderator Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Berkshire, mostly Posts: 25,038	Originally Posted by Horatius Total posts 218 • Total topics 106 • Total members 23 Number of sub-fora, excluding admin ones like "Terms of Use": 23. Just a friendly suggestion: less is more, when you have an average of just over 2 posts/topic, and about 5 topics/forum. Not to mention one sub-forum per member!
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14th February 2011, 12:23 AM	#5005
jargon buster Illuminator Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 4,261	Is it worth me signing up on your site grndslm? Are you and your freemen up to the challenge , or will it be another instant ban?
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14th February 2011, 12:33 AM	#5006
grndslm Banned Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 249	Give it another 10 days, and I'm sure I'll have at least 2x as many users and 4x the posts. Originally Posted by jargon buster Is it worth me signing up on your site grndslm? Are you and your freemen up to the challenge , or will it be another instant ban? I'm currently letting the Mexican keep his "real patriot act" thread where we call the local "authorities" on the zionist jews. I might warn him that I'll delete his thread if he *doesn't* come back and play. The Truth is somewhere in the middle, and my middle name is Challenge. So bring it ON! Our old site had no admin/mods around, so there were a few trolls that we had to run away on our own. I kinda liked that Spirit of brains over brawn, so I'll be keeping that Spirit alive.
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14th February 2011, 12:55 AM	#5007
jargon buster Illuminator Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 4,261	Quote: The Truth is somewhere in the middle, and my middle name is Challenge. So bring it ON! Are you sure now? Menards WFS couldnt handle it, Ickes couldnt handle it, TPUC couldnt handle it, Freeman Ireland etc,etc Are you sure you are different from these? By the way, define "troll"
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14th February 2011, 03:59 AM	#5008
jargon buster Illuminator Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 4,261	H2pogo on Ickes wrote http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showp...78&postcount=6 Quote: I have been self employed most my life and one time i did register so my partner could continue to get her tax credits i started to get loads of nasty forms and threats.. If you are not registered its like you legally don't exist. And it true to say you don't contract or have any business with them.. So he feels its OK to contract when he can take from the system but not obligated to contract when the money goes the other way. No wonder they get the tag "freeloader on the land"
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14th February 2011, 04:55 AM	#5009
Horatius NWO Kitty Wrangler Join Date: May 2006 Location: Ottawa, ON, Canada Posts: 22,028	Originally Posted by grndslm Yes, trademarking does work like that. How hard is it for you to form a corporation with your legal name?? Perhaps some Smiths and Joneses can't trademark their names, but mine is unique enough that there would be absolutely no issue. Heck... pick any name that you want. You're not stuck with the one that your parents gave you. It's not enough to "form a corporation", you have to actually be using the name in commerce in order to qualify for trademark protection. It's a fundamental requirement. What goods or services are you offering under your name? What goods and services would any Random Freeman be offering under their name? And how would a cop using your name constitute an infringement of that trademark? Quote: How to Trademark a Name Anyone whose name also identifies a business or profession should consider trademarking their actual name. If you are considering establishing a trademark for your name, you should first perform a trademark search with LegalZoom or by going to the US Patent and Trademark Office's (USPTO) website at www.uspto.gov, to determine if it is claimed as a mark by someone else. *The USPTO reviews trademark applications and determines whether an applicant meets the requirements for federal registration.* Quote: The term use in commerce refers to the bona fide use of a trademark or service mark in either interstate or foreign commerce in the ordinary course of trade. The Lanham Act (U.S. trademark law) provides that: “ a mark shall be deemed to be in "use in commerce" — (1) on goods when — (A) it is placed in any manner on the goods or their containers or the displays associated therewith or on the tags or labels affixed thereto, or if the nature of the goods makes such placement impracticable, then on documents associated with the goods or their sale, and (B) the goods are sold or transported in commerce, and (2) on services when it is used or displayed in the sale or advertising of services and the services are rendered in commerce, or the services are rendered in more than one State or in the United States and a foreign country and the person rendering the services is engaged in commerce in connection with the services.”[2]
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14th February 2011, 05:03 AM	#5010
jargon buster Illuminator Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 4,261	He may switch to "copyright" now, they normally do when you point out the flaws in the trademark theory.
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14th February 2011, 05:05 AM	#5011
gtm Muse Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 598	Originally Posted by grndslm Freemen.Freeforums.org A Forum for Freemen who understand the "Systems" of Law and Money In my experience freemen have very little 'understanding' of law & money systems. Nonetheless, it's to your credit that you've taken the trouble to vist the 'wrecking crew' here at the JREF Forum. Most Freemen don't last to long.
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14th February 2011, 05:28 AM	#5012
Horatius NWO Kitty Wrangler Join Date: May 2006 Location: Ottawa, ON, Canada Posts: 22,028	Originally Posted by jargon buster He may switch to "copyright" now, they normally do when you point out the flaws in the trademark theory. Thing is, some of these guys probably could trademark their names, as "Selling crap to stupid people" is (sort of) a legitimate business. The problem arises when they suggest it as a solution for everybody, ignoring the "use in commerce" requirement. Oh, and then thinking that having a trademark means you can sue anyone who even says your name for "infringement". http://freemen.freeforums.org/pros-c...-t83.html#p145 Quote: If a cop asks for my name, I can honestly say, "I own that, I have trademarked it, and I DO NOT give you permission to use my name in anyway".... That seems like it nips a lot of statutory citations in the bud. Does it not? Quote: Trademark infringement is a violation of the exclusive rights attaching to a trademark without the authorization of the trademark owner or any licensees (provided that such authorization was within the scope of the license). Infringement may occur when one party, the "infringer", uses a trademark which is identical or confusingly similar to a trademark owned by another party, in relation to products or services which are identical or similar to the products or services which the registration covers. So, what "products or services which are identical or similar to the products or services which the registration covers" is the cop offering in the above example? Stupid on so many levels.
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14th February 2011, 05:45 AM	#5013
jargon buster Illuminator Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 4,261	Im going to sign up later and upset the applecart.
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14th February 2011, 06:07 AM	#5014
Horatius NWO Kitty Wrangler Join Date: May 2006 Location: Ottawa, ON, Canada Posts: 22,028	Originally Posted by jargon buster Im going to sign up later and upset the applecart. "You just got Jargon Busted(tm)!"
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14th February 2011, 06:43 AM	#5015
Toke Godless Socialist Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Denmark Posts: 7,614	Originally Posted by jargon buster Im going to sign up later and upset the applecart. I wonder how long before you are banned. Their fantacy world does not welcome injections of reality.
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14th February 2011, 06:46 AM	#5016
Ladewig Hipster alien Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: not measurable Posts: 16,939	Originally Posted by grndslm I completely agree! Words & Terms was a very big thread on our old forum, so I figured it deserved a forum of its own, considering Law is nothing more than people using words as power over other people. Very, very important for someone like myself who spent most of school in math & science classes. Speaking of lawful and legal, I couldn't find anything on your site about Admiralty Law. Do you have any opinion or information about Admiralty Law in general and about gold-fringed flags in particular?
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14th February 2011, 07:01 AM	#5017
tsig a carbon based life-form Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 27,256	Originally Posted by jargon buster Im going to sign up later and upset the applecart. You might ask where this came from: In fact the label "Sovereign" means nothing more than a higher form of slave within the system controlled by the Venetian Slavemasters, with its original latin components being: solus : alone, only, the only. vere : truly, really, actually, rightly. rex regis : king ignis : (of) fire. ignarus -(of the) ignorant. Since it disagrees with this. late 13c., from O.Fr. soverain, from V.L. *superanus "chief, principal," from L. super "over" (see super-). Spelling influenced by folk-etymology association with reign. Milton spelled it sovran, as though from It. sovrano. Meaning "gold coin worth 22s 6d" first recorded late 15c.; value changed 1817 to 1 pound. As an adj., attested from early 14c.; of remedies or medicines, "potent in a high degree," from late 14c.

14th February 2011, 07:31 AM	#5018
jeffwode Student Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 33	Just joined the forum to say thanks to everybody who contributed to this epic thread. I spent a large part of my weekend reading through it with a mixture of amusement and horror. It really is a whole new world of insanity. As I don't think it's been mentioned so far, Freeman Mark Bond made a video last week in which he was looking noticeably less cocksure after CID told him to expect a knock on his door due to his FOTL antics appearing on Youtube. That may have now arrived as he has removed all his vids in the last few hours. Then there is the case of Freeman Ben Lowrey (see 'Ben Lowrey arrested for travelling' and follow-up vids on YT). This hapless dupe appears to have undergone a particularly severe case of brainwashing. In true FOTL fashion, he was arrested - sorry, 'kidnapped' - for a string of motoring offences he didn't consent to while driving on the roads he doesn't consent to paying for. The arrest videos are particularly amusing. The cheerful rozzers immediately spot the flaws in the FOTL philosophy and find Lowrey's claims to not be a UK citizen inconsistent with his Pop Larkin accent. Inevitably, the FOTL threatens to "activate his fee schedule" for wasting his valuable time shortly being clapped in irons.
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14th February 2011, 07:41 AM	#5019
Ladewig Hipster alien Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: not measurable Posts: 16,939	..
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14th February 2011, 07:49 AM	#5020
gtm Muse Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 598	Originally Posted by tsig You might ask where this came from: In fact the label "Sovereign" means nothing more than a higher form of slave within the system controlled by the Venetian Slavemasters, with its original latin components being: solus : alone, only, the only. vere : truly, really, actually, rightly. rex regis : king ignis : (of) fire. ignarus -(of the) ignorant. Since it disagrees with this. late 13c., from O.Fr. soverain, from V.L. superanus "chief, principal," from L. super "over" (see super-). Spelling influenced by folk-etymology association with reign. Milton spelled it sovran, as though from It. sovrano. Meaning "gold coin worth 22s 6d" first recorded late 15c.; value changed 1817 to 1 pound. As an adj., attested from early 14c.; of remedies or medicines, "potent in a high degree," from late 14c. Venetian slave masters? That rings alarm bells & has to be UCADIA. The mainstream FMOTL'ers probably don't know where Venice is (they probably think it's a kind of Pizza) Originally Posted by jeffwode* Just joined the forum to say thanks to everybody who contributed to this epic thread. I spent a large part of my weekend reading through it with a mixture of amusement and horror. It really is a whole new world of insanity. As I don't think it's been mentioned so far, Freeman Mark Bond made a video last week in which he was looking noticeably less cocksure after CID told him to expect a knock on his door due to his FOTL antics appearing on Youtube. That may have now arrived as he has removed all his vids in the last few hours. Then there is the case of Freeman Ben Lowrey (see 'Ben Lowrey arrested for travelling' and follow-up vids on YT). This hapless dupe appears to have undergone a particularly severe case of brainwashing. In true FOTL fashion, he was arrested - sorry, 'kidnapped' - for a string of motoring offences he didn't consent to while driving on the roads he doesn't consent to paying for. The arrest videos are particularly amusing. The cheerful rozzers immediately spot the flaws in the FOTL philosophy and find Lowrey's claims to not be a UK citizen inconsistent with his Pop Larkin accent. Inevitably, the FOTL threatens to "activate his fee schedule" for wasting his valuable time shortly being clapped in irons. Welcome Jeff, We've followed the Bond case closely. He started a thread about the impending 'feeling of his collar' on the Icke forum. He is thinking about dropping FMOTL.
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14th February 2011, 07:51 AM	#5021
jargon buster Illuminator Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 4,261	http://freemen.freeforums.org/hello-all-t126.html Right, Im on. Lets see how long for
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14th February 2011, 07:52 AM	#5022
Ladewig Hipster alien Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: not measurable Posts: 16,939	Originally Posted by jeffwode Then there is the case of Freeman Ben Lowrey (see 'Ben Lowrey arrested for travelling' and follow-up vids on YT). This hapless dupe appears to have undergone a particularly severe case of brainwashing. In true FOTL fashion, he was arrested - sorry, 'kidnapped' - for a string of motoring offences he didn't consent to while driving on the roads he doesn't consent to paying for. The arrest videos are particularly amusing. The cheerful rozzers immediately spot the flaws in the FOTL philosophy and find Lowrey's claims to not be a UK citizen inconsistent with his Pop Larkin accent. Inevitably, the FOTL threatens to "activate his fee schedule" for wasting his valuable time shortly being clapped in irons. Arrested for traveling (part 1) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTicurNEEOQ wait, did it take one hour for him to be arrested?
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14th February 2011, 07:56 AM	#5023
jeffwode Student Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 33	Quote: wait, did it take one hour for him to be arrested? He's quite a talker.
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14th February 2011, 08:11 AM	#5024
Grassy Knowlington Muse Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: HAARP Command & Control Posts: 514	Originally Posted by jeffwode He's quite a talker. Off thread, are you a 'Withnail & I' fan?

14th February 2011, 08:15 AM	#5025
jeffwode Student Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 33	Originally Posted by Grassy Knowlington Off thread, are you a 'Withnail & I' fan? How did you guess? His head must weight fifty pounds on its own.
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14th February 2011, 08:32 AM	#5026
Grassy Knowlington Muse Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: HAARP Command & Control Posts: 514	Originally Posted by jeffwode How did you guess? His head must weight fifty pounds on its own. Just imagine getting into a fight with the ******

14th February 2011, 11:43 AM	#5027
jeffwode Student Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 33	Originally Posted by gtm Venetian slave masters? That rings alarm bells & has to be UCADIA. The mainstream FMOTL'ers probably don't know where Venice is (they probably think it's a kind of Pizza) Welcome Jeff, We've followed the Bond case closely. He started a thread about the impending 'feeling of his collar' on the Icke forum. He is thinking about dropping FMOTL. Thanks. Nice to be here. I'm pleased to hear Bond's seen the light. Most FOTLs wake up and give up when reality comes crashing down on them in court. They lose a few quid, usually not too much, and give us a few laughs along the way. More worrying are the few who keep pushing it, all of whom can only be mentally ill and are being manipulated by the likes of Menard and St Clair, which is unforgivable. There are also a few extreme libertarians/anarchists who appear to have no immediate financial problems but soon will have if they hold true to their word and engage in 'lawful rebellion' (see the blogs of 'Old Holborn' and 'Captain Ranty' for example.) I'm afraid this lunacy might be around for some time to come.
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14th February 2011, 12:02 PM	#5028
gtm Muse Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 598	Originally Posted by jeffwode Thanks. Nice to be here. I'm pleased to hear Bond's seen the light. Most FOTLs wake up and give up when reality comes crashing down on them in court. They lose a few quid, usually not too much, and give us a few laughs along the way. More worrying are the few who keep pushing it, all of whom can only be mentally ill and are being manipulated by the likes of Menard and St Clair, which is unforgivable. There are also a few extreme libertarians/anarchists who appear to have no immediate financial problems but soon will have if they hold true to their word and engage in 'lawful rebellion' (see the blogs of 'Old Holborn' and 'Captain Ranty' for example.) I'm afraid this lunacy might be around for some time to come. Hopefully, Bond will see sense, purge his contempt with a grovelling apology & live 'happily' ever after. I've noticed a cross over between 'freemanery' & the far right. Ever heard of Brian Gerrish & UK Column site? His main 'business' is exposing the NWO but he's also runnning a council tax case using FMOTL principles. The far right love the NWO stuff he does. I also say a discussion about FMOTL on the loathsome VNN forum & there is a vein of anti semitism in some FMOTL discussions (fractional reserve banking = financial institutions = jews). Watch out for Veronica Chapman. She is outraged that she has to pay for anything ever
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14th February 2011, 12:26 PM	#5029
jeffwode Student Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 33	Originally Posted by gtm Hopefully, Bond will see sense, purge his contempt with a grovelling apology & live 'happily' ever after. I've noticed a cross over between 'freemanery' & the far right. Ever heard of Brian Gerrish & UK Column site? His main 'business' is exposing the NWO but he's also runnning a council tax case using FMOTL principles. The far right love the NWO stuff he does. I also say a discussion about FMOTL on the loathsome VNN forum & there is a vein of anti semitism in some FMOTL discussions (fractional reserve banking = financial institutions = jews). Watch out for Veronica Chapman. She is outraged that she has to pay for anything ever I only came across UK column while reading about FOTL. They're running a story ('The cat's out of the bag') at the moment which is being touted as another mighty success for the freeloaders. Excerpt: Me: Sir, I asked if you were familiar with the Cestui Que Vie Act of 1666, if you are not Sir, then with respect you are not competent to judge in this matter and that gives rise to a claim of denial of due process. Judge: Let’s hear from the council. Me: Sir we can only move on to the council’s presentation when the court has confirmed that MR ROGER HAYES is represented in court. Judge: Fine. And the case continued.... with me (Roger Hayes) acting as third party representative for the legal fiction MR ROGER HAYES and with the judge eventually telling the council to go away and prove its case. The Judge was obviously very keen to avoid a charge of denial of due process i.e. a challenge to his competence. It was much easier for him to side with me and pass the buck back to the council. Smart judge. So what does this all mean? Well In very simple terms, it is SEISMIC i.e. extremely significant. It means that the court has accepted that the council’s claim is against the legal fiction MR ROGER HAYES and not me the flesh and blood man Roger Hayes. The court has also accepted that I (Roger Hayes) can act as a third party representative to defend the claim against MR ROGER HAYES. The legal fiction cat is now truly out of the bag (although for me this is the second time I have achieved this in court). If the council goes on to win its case, then the court will find against the legal fiction MR ROGER HAYES, but significantly, they will not have found against me Roger Hayes... because as the court agrees... MR ROGER HAYES is a corporation... which isn’t me. One important thing is now clearly established - I, Roger Hayes, am not liable for council tax. AND NEITHER ARE YOU. Leaving aside the fact that this is one man's recollection of events, I cannot see how even FTOLs can view this is a triumph. Judge opens case. FTOL spouts rubbish. Judge ignores him. The end. Except it's not the end because, as usual, we don't get to hear what happened next - most likely: FTOL grips the oak. Judge throws book at FTOL. Not familiar with VNN though. Should I be? I don't normally delve this deeply into the internet's bowels.
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14th February 2011, 12:53 PM	#5030
gtm Muse Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 598	Originally Posted by jeffwode Not familiar with VNN though. Should I be? I don't normally delve this deeply into the internet's bowels. I wouldn't bother unless your really interested. Have a look at the CQV 1666 thread. http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=200370 There's some info about the 'new kids on the block' - UCADIA.
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14th February 2011, 01:31 PM	#5031
abaddon Illuminator Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 3,783	Hello, Long time lurker, first time poster. I have been reading the FOTL rubbish with morbid fascination. How in the name of anything can they believe this stuff will fly? It has been like watching a slo-mo car wreck over the past observation of their delusional bovine excrement. Kudos to all you guys providing rational rebuttal.
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14th February 2011, 01:34 PM	#5032
Vladd Thinker Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 138	Originally Posted by abaddon Hello, Long time lurker, first time poster. I have been reading the FOTL rubbish with morbid fascination. How in the name of anything can they believe this stuff will fly? It has been like watching a slo-mo car wreck over the past observation of their delusional bovine excrement. Kudos to all you guys providing rational rebuttal. You should check out the FOTL section over on David Icke forums http://www.davidicke.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=60 although compared with the lunacy that is UCADIA FOTL seems rational.
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14th February 2011, 01:42 PM	#5033
abaddon Illuminator Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 3,783	Originally Posted by Vladd You should check out the FOTL section over on David Icke forums although compared with the lunacy that is UCADIA FOTL seems rational. Already a member there, mostly for the entertainment value. I remain amazed at the level of woo which people entertain as even in the realm of possibility, let alone reality. The UCADIA is new to me, and seems bonkers straight out of the box.
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14th February 2011, 01:50 PM	#5034
gtm Muse Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 598	Originally Posted by abaddon Hello, Long time lurker, first time poster. I have been reading the FOTL rubbish with morbid fascination. How in the name of anything can they believe this stuff will fly? It has been like watching a slo-mo car wreck over the past observation of their delusional bovine excrement. Kudos to all you guys providing rational rebuttal. I don't know why we bother - I don't think we've ever successfully 'turned' a hardcore Freeman.
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14th February 2011, 01:53 PM	#5035
drkitten Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Wits' End Posts: 21,647	Originally Posted by gtm I don't know why we bother - I don't think we've ever successfully 'turned' a hardcore Freeman. I think abbadon may have answered your question. We've not turned any hardcore Freemen, but lots of softcore Freemen find this site.