The Freeman Movement and England - Page 143

cocana · 26th September 2011, 01:48 AM

Out of curiosity, does anyone know about this chap:

http://www.levi-tarot.co.uk/freemanontheland.html

Captain_Swoop · 26th September 2011, 03:09 AM

Quote:

I satisfied myself that 9/11 was an 'inside job' and then quickly moved on. I will not allow myself to be gate keepered like so many others and get wrapped up in the arguments. It was an inside job, period.

Says it all I suppose.

Stacey Grove · 26th September 2011, 03:19 AM

Originally Posted by cocana

Out of curiosity, does anyone know about this chap:

http://www.levi-tarot.co.uk/freemanontheland.html

From the comments:

Quote:

You see think of this. A judge in a court overseeing Admiralty Law' is only interested in extracting money from someone who has breached company policy i.e. THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA company policy or should we say Statute Laws.

A court is called a court becuase it's where a game takes place. A judge is often seen wearing black and white becuase he is the referee. A solicitor 'represents' his client or he 're-presents' the human man/woman as their Artificial Person'. Also, always remember, a solicitor's first duty is always to the court and never ever to the client. Remember that, it is important.

A Judge sits on a 'Bench' which if you trace the origins of this word it means 'Bank'. What flows between 2 Banks? Yes, a river with 'currency'.

Now, back to the BC. When a ship/vessel arrives into port it 'Docks' (oh Dock, thats another word used in court) and once it 'dock's) it goes into its Berth. The ship has 'berthed'.

Now, when a ship 'Berths' it is traditionally carrying cargo and has a manifest and the ships captain will take the manifest to the Harbour Master who takes responsibilty for the cargo.

Now compare this with the Birth of a child.

The child travels along the womans water canal to Birth. Once 'birthed' it is regarded as 'cargo' and if you register this cargo then it is picked up by the government as Maritime Salvage' and they take ownership.

I do have to say that with such compelling evidence I'm beginning to think perhaps these freemen might be on to something.........

drewid · 26th September 2011, 05:20 AM

I feel like I've lost IQ points just reading that.

cocana · 26th September 2011, 06:06 AM

Ha ha!

Apologies for going off topic but this guy has not only done one of the most entertaining freeman maritime law explanations, but he's done some cracking predictions elsewhere on his website.

I really liked this one -

Quote:

Watch for mega scary Thunder and Lightening storms in some places.

Man this guy is some mega powerful seer.

ComfySlippers · 26th September 2011, 06:29 AM

Originally Posted by Tylervo

...I was just weeks away from "filing my UCC-1 financing statement and turning in my Notice of Understanding and Intent"...Luckily I logged on here first and cleared my hallow skull of the poison that had fillied it for the last 5 years.

Whilst it is both funny and sad that some people fall for and believe this nonsense, I am glad you found your way back into the real world

With regard to the con artists using "complicated words"... they don't.
They don't understand the words they are using themselves, never mind Law, and they rely on other people's lack of comprehension to propagate their incredibly silly stories.

(ETA) e.g. look at the quote in post 5684. Utter gibberish... Not all countries speak English so the "theory" of the origins of words is ludicrously stupid.

Mojo · 26th September 2011, 07:14 AM

Originally Posted by stacey grove

i do have to say that with such compelling evidence i'm beginning to think perhaps these freemen might be on to something.........

ftfy.

Mojo · 26th September 2011, 07:27 AM

Quote:

Now, when a ship 'Berths' it is traditionally carrying cargo and has a manifest and the ships captain will take the manifest to the Harbour Master who takes responsibilty for the cargo.

Now compare this with the Birth of a child.

Spike Milligan used this joke on the Goon Show over half a century ago:

Quote:

Seagoon (Harry Secombe): "Are you gentlemen responsible for berths on this ship?"

[Audience: huge laugh]

Mr Lalkaka (Peter Sellars): "What is written here is now pointless ... Not all of them."

Hans · 26th September 2011, 07:28 AM

Well dang someone else made the same comment....so deleted mine

laughingboy · 26th September 2011, 05:50 PM

There's a film and food night put on in my town every month on various environmental topics etc. Last week the subject was 'commercial redemption' and basically it turned out to be FOTL nonsense. This really appalled me as it was a pretty packed meeting and the speaker was very articulate and persuasive.

I already knew a bit about the Freeman movement but since that meeting I've done research (read most of this thread) and am even more concerned at the high profile this guy got and the fact that people I know are seriously talking about going down this road and think they can win against the courts.

It would be hugely useful if some of the more expert posters here could create some kind of resource debunking this stuff from a UK perspective. It certainly seems to be gaining currency amongst green-inclined types which is ironic, given the selfish nature of the whole thing.

ComfySlippers · 26th September 2011, 07:01 PM

What was the name of the speaker, do we know?

Or is it just a local nobody who's just graduated from The University of YouTube?

laughingboy · 27th September 2011, 01:05 AM

The speaker was 'The Spaniard' from the 'White Rabbit Education Group'.

Pikachu · 28th September 2011, 12:12 PM

Has anyone linked to this one yet? A freeman in the High Court getting 9 months for contempt?
http://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWHC/Fam/2011/B15.html

Mojo · 28th September 2011, 01:04 PM

Originally Posted by Pikachu

Has anyone linked to this one yet? A freeman in the High Court getting 9 months for contempt?
http://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWHC/Fam/2011/B15.html

Yes.

Now out after hiring lawyers and getting the sentence suspended: http://forums.randi.org/showthread.p...12#post7596512

ComfySlippers · 28th September 2011, 04:17 PM

Oh dear...

As I am I.P. banned I can not post on the Icke Cesspit, I shall sit and watch....

Paul · 28th September 2011, 08:41 PM

Rather unexpectedly, merlincove seems to have come over all sensible, although a little dim.

I'm sure normal service will be resumed shortly.

jargon buster · 29th September 2011, 03:07 AM

I predicit it is simply a temporary lapse into lucidity for Merlincove.
And if he reads this he will snap back into stupidity instantly rather than agree with the comments.

Horatius · 29th September 2011, 04:16 AM

Originally Posted by ComfySlippers

Oh dear...

As I am I.P. banned I can not post on the Icke Cesspit, I shall sit and watch....

Am I reading this right: He thinks the skeptics have breached a contract with him, because they may have violated the MA of the forum they're posting on?

Is that correct?

jargon buster · 29th September 2011, 05:13 AM

Quote:

Rather unexpectedly, merlincove seems to have come over all sensible, although a little dim.

I'm sure normal service will be resumed shortly.

ahem, right on cue.
http://forum.davidicke.com/showpost....9&postcount=96

Quote:

So, are you a soul, a living breathing human being, a 'person,' or a legal entity? - and further more do the contractual agreements that the person / legal entity enters into effect upon anything else but the moral accountability of the legal entity / person (whatever you would wish to call it)?

i hear what you are saying, rreeve, but am morally guided to uphold all transactions that i enter into of my own free will - it is the 'agreement's' that are forced upon me that i have issues with

If i, as a human being, enter into a court room - then is that physical representation overstanding my energetic representation of a free soul existing outside of any physical jurisdictions - and further more, as my 'body' gives my spirit animation - do we enter into an agreement that any legal standing is inclusive of all aspects of our being?

is then law driven to the animated aspect of our appreciation - wherein the fines and statutes apply to the animation - and is that animation then a legal entity existing under an applied jurisdiction through our acquiescence or ignorance of the rules that are created in order to turn a person / human being into a cash machine?

i can just imagine him finishing it with..."and thats the way I see it your honour"

uk_dave · 29th September 2011, 05:22 AM

While I'm rather concerned that many stundie noms are merely poking fun at the mentally disturbed and that drawing from the David Ike forum is rather like shooting dead fish in a barrel ..... for my sins I started reading another thread at DI and came across this from 'Madandbad' ......

Quote:

why are the so called legal proffesion so pig ignorant,i have walked into univeristys and spoken to so called proffersers of law to ask these questions and all i got was a blank look,it is without a doubt that the only way to join the so called law proffesion is that you have there point of view or you cant join .it was more than blank looks they didnt even want to answer,just sat there without saying a word.didnt even try an argument.

http://forum.davidicke.com/showthrea...=185001&page=3

The mind boggles.

twinstead · 29th September 2011, 05:51 AM

It's like shooting dead fish floating in dead fish in a barrel made of dead fish

jargon buster · 29th September 2011, 06:20 AM

With a bazooka.

jeffwode · 17th November 2011, 07:05 AM

FOTLs are making their presence known as Occupy LSX. The Guardian found a chap who calls himself "commonly known as dom" who had these words of wisdom...

"I might be a danger to corporate control of humanity, but what's the worst they're going to do? Lock me up? The last place they want me to be teaching is in prison. I've been in jail: I talk to the inmates, I talk to the screws. I take every opportunity to speak to the police, to educate them. Don't forget, the police are part of the solution. I'll talk to anyone: laymen, lawyers, magistrates, judges.

I say to people: educate yourself. Google "lawful rebellion". Google "freeman on the land". Google the difference between "legal" and "lawful". Understand the rules that are keeping you enslaved."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...-occupy-london

This clown has been enlightening his fellow occupiers about the FOTL woo (various videos on Youtube) and can be seen spouting his nonsense in the video below. The New World Order gets a mention at 2.40. His belief that the legal definition of occupy is "to go to war" comes up at 3.10 and, rather delightfully, he reckons the whole Occupy LSX thing is an "inside job". He's pretty far gone and, by the looks of some of the other videos, has found a few disciples.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3L1ax_5lDws

The Guardian allowed a voice of sanity to prevail yesterday:

The love freemen show for magic texts, incantations and ritual is not just funny: it shows a strange, childlike respect for the trappings of justice, and a commitment to jargon not even the stuffiest solicitor can match. This thinking is to law as crystal healing is to medicine and, like fake healing, it's not as harmless as first appears.

Perhaps some freemen really have found that small debts have been written off because of the nuisance they've been able to cause. Confusing people can be a useful way of bluffing, and fobbing them off. But there are limits. The barrister and law blogger Adam Wagner has called freemanism "quackery plain and simple" and says: "These ideas are most attractive to desperate, vulnerable people who are going through terrible times in their lives."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...occupy-freemen

26th September 2011, 05:20 AM	#5684
drewid Graduate Poster Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 1,087	I feel like I've lost IQ points just reading that.
drewid Graduate Poster Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 1,087

26th September 2011, 06:29 AM	#5686
ComfySlippers Graduate Poster Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: UK Posts: 1,080	Originally Posted by Tylervo ...I was just weeks away from "filing my UCC-1 financing statement and turning in my Notice of Understanding and Intent"...Luckily I logged on here first and cleared my hallow skull of the poison that had fillied it for the last 5 years. Whilst it is both funny and sad that some people fall for and believe this nonsense, I am glad you found your way back into the real world With regard to the con artists using "complicated words"... they don't. They don't understand the words they are using themselves, never mind Law, and they rely on other people's lack of comprehension to propagate their incredibly silly stories. (ETA) e.g. look at the quote in post 5684. Utter gibberish... Not all countries speak English so the "theory" of the origins of words is ludicrously stupid.
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26th September 2011, 07:14 AM	#5687
Mojo Mostly harmless Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Nor Flanden Posts: 22,101	Originally Posted by stacey grove i do have to say that with such compelling evidence i'm beginning to think perhaps these freemen might be on to something......... ftfy.
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26th September 2011, 07:27 AM	#5688
Mojo Mostly harmless Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Nor Flanden Posts: 22,101	Quote: Now, when a ship 'Berths' it is traditionally carrying cargo and has a manifest and the ships captain will take the manifest to the Harbour Master who takes responsibilty for the cargo. Now compare this with the Birth of a child. Spike Milligan used this joke on the Goon Show over half a century ago: Quote: Seagoon (Harry Secombe): "Are you gentlemen responsible for berths on this ship?" [Audience: huge laugh] Mr Lalkaka (Peter Sellars): "What is written here is now pointless ... Not all of them."
	__________________ "You got to use your brain." - McKinley Morganfield "The poor mystic homeopaths feel like petted house-cats thrown at high flood on the breaking ice." - Leon Trotsky

26th September 2011, 05:50 PM	#5690
laughingboy New Blood Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 2	There's a film and food night put on in my town every month on various environmental topics etc. Last week the subject was 'commercial redemption' and basically it turned out to be FOTL nonsense. This really appalled me as it was a pretty packed meeting and the speaker was very articulate and persuasive. I already knew a bit about the Freeman movement but since that meeting I've done research (read most of this thread) and am even more concerned at the high profile this guy got and the fact that people I know are seriously talking about going down this road and think they can win against the courts. It would be hugely useful if some of the more expert posters here could create some kind of resource debunking this stuff from a UK perspective. It certainly seems to be gaining currency amongst green-inclined types which is ironic, given the selfish nature of the whole thing.
laughingboy New Blood Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 2

26th September 2011, 01:48 AM	#5681
cocana Critical Thinker Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: 10 Acre Field Posts: 444	Out of curiosity, does anyone know about this chap: http://www.levi-tarot.co.uk/freemanontheland.html

26th September 2011, 03:09 AM	#5682
Captain_Swoop Illuminator Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: North Yorkshire Posts: 3,953	Quote: I satisfied myself that 9/11 was an 'inside job' and then quickly moved on. I will not allow myself to be gate keepered like so many others and get wrapped up in the arguments. It was an inside job, period. Says it all I suppose.

26th September 2011, 03:19 AM	#5683
Stacey Grove Muse Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: W1 Posts: 834	Originally Posted by cocana Out of curiosity, does anyone know about this chap: http://www.levi-tarot.co.uk/freemanontheland.html From the comments: Quote: You see think of this. A judge in a court overseeing Admiralty Law' is only interested in extracting money from someone who has breached company policy i.e. THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA company policy or should we say Statute Laws. A court is called a court becuase it's where a game takes place. A judge is often seen wearing black and white becuase he is the referee. A solicitor 'represents' his client or he 're-presents' the human man/woman as their Artificial Person'. Also, always remember, a solicitor's first duty is always to the court and never ever to the client. Remember that, it is important. A Judge sits on a 'Bench' which if you trace the origins of this word it means 'Bank'. What flows between 2 Banks? Yes, a river with 'currency'. Now, back to the BC. When a ship/vessel arrives into port it 'Docks' (oh Dock, thats another word used in court) and once it 'dock's) it goes into its Berth. The ship has 'berthed'. Now, when a ship 'Berths' it is traditionally carrying cargo and has a manifest and the ships captain will take the manifest to the Harbour Master who takes responsibilty for the cargo. Now compare this with the Birth of a child. The child travels along the womans water canal to Birth. Once 'birthed' it is regarded as 'cargo' and if you register this cargo then it is picked up by the government as Maritime Salvage' and they take ownership. I do have to say that with such compelling evidence I'm beginning to think perhaps these freemen might be on to something.........

26th September 2011, 06:06 AM	#5685
cocana Critical Thinker Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: 10 Acre Field Posts: 444	Ha ha! Apologies for going off topic but this guy has not only done one of the most entertaining freeman maritime law explanations, but he's done some cracking predictions elsewhere on his website. I really liked this one - Quote: Watch for mega scary Thunder and Lightening storms in some places. Man this guy is some mega powerful seer.

26th September 2011, 07:28 AM	#5689
Hans Master Poster Join Date: May 2007 Location: NW United States Posts: 2,786	Well dang someone else made the same comment....so deleted mine

26th September 2011, 07:01 PM	#5691
ComfySlippers Graduate Poster Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: UK Posts: 1,080	What was the name of the speaker, do we know? Or is it just a local nobody who's just graduated from The University of YouTube?
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27th September 2011, 01:05 AM	#5692
laughingboy New Blood Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 2	The speaker was 'The Spaniard' from the 'White Rabbit Education Group'.
laughingboy New Blood Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 2

28th September 2011, 12:12 PM	#5693
Pikachu Scholar Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 107	Has anyone linked to this one yet? A freeman in the High Court getting 9 months for contempt? http://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWHC/Fam/2011/B15.html
Pikachu Scholar Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 107

28th September 2011, 01:04 PM	#5694
Mojo Mostly harmless Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Nor Flanden Posts: 22,101	Originally Posted by Pikachu Has anyone linked to this one yet? A freeman in the High Court getting 9 months for contempt? http://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWHC/Fam/2011/B15.html Yes. Now out after hiring lawyers and getting the sentence suspended: http://forums.randi.org/showthread.p...12#post7596512
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28th September 2011, 04:17 PM	#5695
ComfySlippers Graduate Poster Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: UK Posts: 1,080	Oh dear... As I am I.P. banned I can not post on the Icke Cesspit, I shall sit and watch....
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28th September 2011, 08:41 PM	#5696
Paul Master Poster Join Date: May 2004 Location: UK Posts: 2,973	Rather unexpectedly, merlincove seems to have come over all sensible, although a little dim. I'm sure normal service will be resumed shortly.
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29th September 2011, 03:07 AM	#5697
jargon buster Illuminator Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 4,064	I predicit it is simply a temporary lapse into lucidity for Merlincove. And if he reads this he will snap back into stupidity instantly rather than agree with the comments.
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29th September 2011, 04:16 AM	#5698
Horatius NWO Kitty Wrangler Join Date: May 2006 Location: Ottawa, ON, Canada Posts: 21,894	Originally Posted by ComfySlippers Oh dear... As I am I.P. banned I can not post on the Icke Cesspit, I shall sit and watch.... Am I reading this right: He thinks the skeptics have breached a contract with him, because they may have violated the MA of the forum they're posting on? Is that correct?
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29th September 2011, 05:13 AM	#5699
jargon buster Illuminator Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 4,064	Quote: Rather unexpectedly, merlincove seems to have come over all sensible, although a little dim. I'm sure normal service will be resumed shortly. ahem, right on cue. http://forum.davidicke.com/showpost....9&postcount=96 Quote: So, are you a soul, a living breathing human being, a 'person,' or a legal entity? - and further more do the contractual agreements that the person / legal entity enters into effect upon anything else but the moral accountability of the legal entity / person (whatever you would wish to call it)? i hear what you are saying, rreeve, but am morally guided to uphold all transactions that i enter into of my own free will - it is the 'agreement's' that are forced upon me that i have issues with If i, as a human being, enter into a court room - then is that physical representation overstanding my energetic representation of a free soul existing outside of any physical jurisdictions - and further more, as my 'body' gives my spirit animation - do we enter into an agreement that any legal standing is inclusive of all aspects of our being? is then law driven to the animated aspect of our appreciation - wherein the fines and statutes apply to the animation - and is that animation then a legal entity existing under an applied jurisdiction through our acquiescence or ignorance of the rules that are created in order to turn a person / human being into a cash machine? i can just imagine him finishing it with..."and thats the way I see it your honour"
	__________________ ^{^{“She’s pregnant and in very big trouble.” ......And wasn't she just}} http://www.angelfire.com/planet/thin...hildorlife.pdf Part 1 of this thread http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=176799 Last edited by jargon buster; 29th September 2011 at 05:14 AM.

29th September 2011, 05:22 AM	#5700
uk_dave Philosopher Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 7,866	While I'm rather concerned that many stundie noms are merely poking fun at the mentally disturbed and that drawing from the David Ike forum is rather like shooting dead fish in a barrel ..... for my sins I started reading another thread at DI and came across this from 'Madandbad' ...... Quote: why are the so called legal proffesion so pig ignorant,i have walked into univeristys and spoken to so called proffersers of law to ask these questions and all i got was a blank look,it is without a doubt that the only way to join the so called law proffesion is that you have there point of view or you cant join .it was more than blank looks they didnt even want to answer,just sat there without saying a word.didnt even try an argument. http://forum.davidicke.com/showthrea...=185001&page=3 The mind boggles.
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29th September 2011, 05:51 AM	#5701
twinstead Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Big corner office in NWO Towers Posts: 11,580	It's like shooting dead fish floating in dead fish in a barrel made of dead fish
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29th September 2011, 06:20 AM	#5702
jargon buster Illuminator Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 4,064	With a bazooka.
	__________________ ^{^{“She’s pregnant and in very big trouble.” ......And wasn't she just}} http://www.angelfire.com/planet/thin...hildorlife.pdf Part 1 of this thread http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=176799

17th November 2011, 07:05 AM	#5703
jeffwode Student Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 33	FOTLs are making their presence known as Occupy LSX. The Guardian found a chap who calls himself "commonly known as dom" who had these words of wisdom... "I might be a danger to corporate control of humanity, but what's the worst they're going to do? Lock me up? The last place they want me to be teaching is in prison. I've been in jail: I talk to the inmates, I talk to the screws. I take every opportunity to speak to the police, to educate them. Don't forget, the police are part of the solution. I'll talk to anyone: laymen, lawyers, magistrates, judges. I say to people: educate yourself. Google "lawful rebellion". Google "freeman on the land". Google the difference between "legal" and "lawful". Understand the rules that are keeping you enslaved." http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...-occupy-london This clown has been enlightening his fellow occupiers about the FOTL woo (various videos on Youtube) and can be seen spouting his nonsense in the video below. The New World Order gets a mention at 2.40. His belief that the legal definition of occupy is "to go to war" comes up at 3.10 and, rather delightfully, he reckons the whole Occupy LSX thing is an "inside job". He's pretty far gone and, by the looks of some of the other videos, has found a few disciples. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3L1ax_5lDws The Guardian allowed a voice of sanity to prevail yesterday: The love freemen show for magic texts, incantations and ritual is not just funny: it shows a strange, childlike respect for the trappings of justice, and a commitment to jargon not even the stuffiest solicitor can match. This thinking is to law as crystal healing is to medicine and, like fake healing, it's not as harmless as first appears. Perhaps some freemen really have found that small debts have been written off because of the nuisance they've been able to cause. Confusing people can be a useful way of bluffing, and fobbing them off. But there are limits. The barrister and law blogger Adam Wagner has called freemanism "quackery plain and simple" and says: "These ideas are most attractive to desperate, vulnerable people who are going through terrible times in their lives." http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...occupy-freemen
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