The Freeman Movement and England - Page 39

LightinDarkness · 12th January 2010, 11:17 PM

A recent girlgye post on the David Icke forum talking about her recent "successes" with FOTL woo (bolds are mine):

Quote:

Yes Kev those have been my experiences. I've gone before two Circuit Judges regarding my Car. First one just clutched the statute legislation folder as though she was clutching a baby I was trying to kidnap. Simply didn't have a clue and they are still 'at it' today by trying to send robbers and kidnappers to my door daily. Though I'm giving 2 days grace and believe me that has totally lightened me up. All the Fee schedules and class action suit are ready to go. I'm here looking up Fed Ex as I missed the post.

In one court case he cited in documentation which he now refuses to give over that I disrupted proceedings by asking whether this was a house of god and given my learned friend some spiritual advice Now obviously that one got through. Then he jailed me on a minor dismeanor that does not warrant a 2 week custodial sentence.

The other Judge said this is not a court of philosopy it is a court of law. This was the best judge and knew what he was doing but we out witted him on his point. He too had to resort to quoting statutes at us. Nice try though. The thing to do is to study it til it is ingrained in your heart not to go in there to outwit them. If you go for the latter they will always outwit you.

So..shes gone before not one, but two judges on this and it just couldn't possibly be that shes citing fake legal principles which don't exist, its just that the judges are stupid and don't know the law. And they keep sending what I assume is some sort of bailiff ("robbers and kidnappers) to drag her to court. And she thinks she'll be able to "sue them all!" for impounding her car since she as a Free(women?) on the Land is exempt from such nuisances and licenses and registration.

Shes spent no doubt hundreds of hours and thousands of dollars in court, in jail, and filing FOTL documents that have no legal merit in order to prove the point that she can drive wherever she wants without obeying the laws on licenses. Yet shes makes fun of us stupid sheep who follow the law and spend a few hours every few years applying for a license and around $75 in assorted fees to drive.

I tell you what, being a Freeman-On-The-Land sure is a lot of work over being a sheeple! Isn't interesting that, although FOTL woo says statutes have no power over Freeman, they continue to be applied to them no matter how many frivolous legal documents they file?

PB2007 · 13th January 2010, 12:21 AM

I'm still trying to find the thread where one member read that the EU passed a ruling that something like "Stop and Search" was illegal* and the UK Gov basically said "We'll consider our response but until then we'll carry on doing it" SO this FOTL decided that if you went to court and were found guilty and sentanced all you had to do was say "OK i'll consider your ruling for a while" and until you consented to the judgement you'd be free to go....

* Sorry but i really don't remember what it as.

Mojo · 13th January 2010, 12:24 AM

"He too had to resort to quoting statutes at us."

Darat · 13th January 2010, 12:56 AM

I genuinely feel sorry for the people caught up in this nonsense and also for the judges that have to deal with them. Pity the judges can't force a defendant to undergo psychiatric treatment - some of defendants seem to have become truly delusional and irrational, to such an extent that they are harming themselves.

Rolfe · 13th January 2010, 03:11 AM

Girlgye is English, isn't she? (OK, she resides in England as far as I can tell. I suppose she wouldn't acknowledge herself as "English".)

She'll be spending pounds. I wonder how many?

Rolfe.

Stacey Grove · 13th January 2010, 05:18 AM

Originally Posted by Rolfe

Girlgye is English, isn't she?

Apparently she is from the Liverpool area. She has had her car taken from her and crushed, and it is believed she had three succesful businesses before she got involved in this stuff. She was sent to Styal prison recently for contempt. It appears she took a recording device into the courtroom.
But if anything her experience has confirmed her belief that the FOTL woo is correct.

scissorhands · 13th January 2010, 05:34 AM

Heres proof for you sheeple.
This guy threatens to "activate his fee schedule" and stands up for his common law rights.
Watch as the police officers disappear without charging him for driving without a license or insurance in this.... ermm...edited footage.

YouTube Video This video is not hosted by the JREF. The JREF can not be held responsible for the suitability or legality of this material. By clicking the link below you agree to view content from an external website.

I AGREE

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=99068

Paul · 13th January 2010, 07:20 AM

Originally Posted by scissorhands

Heres proof for you sheeple.

From the same thread, a link to this legal genius - http://www.tpuc.org/content/sussex-police-interview

Interestingly, Mr StClair seems to have good reason to avoid publicity

jargon buster · 13th January 2010, 09:50 AM

I couldnt stop laughing at that link to that sinclair character
Excellent work Paul

JB

jargon buster · 13th January 2010, 09:55 AM

Girlgye I feel is being used by the numpties on Ickes as anyone else who posts the way she does and abuses ne members would be instantly banned.

I have had two temp bans for far less than the garbage she spews.
I offered £100,000 to anyone who could access my bond and it had more hits in a week than Menards postings had in months and they say their not in it for the money

Even Menard wouldnt take up my offer even though he sells a package on how to do it

JB

commandlinegamer · 13th January 2010, 02:29 PM

Originally Posted by Paul

From the same thread, a link to this legal genius - http://www.tpuc.org/content/sussex-police-interview

Interestingly, Mr StClair seems to have good reason to avoid publicity

When I saw that first photo, I thought 'What's Johnny Vegas doing in black tie?'

dudalb · 13th January 2010, 02:44 PM

Originally Posted by Paul

From the same thread, a link to this legal genius - http://www.tpuc.org/content/sussex-police-interview

Interestingly, Mr StClair seems to have good reason to avoid publicity

Ladies and Gentlemen, I give you the Freeman movement.

I got a feeling his leaving the Masons was done about one minute before he was kicked out.

LightinDarkness · 13th January 2010, 02:51 PM

Originally Posted by dudalb

Ladies and Gentlemen, I give you the Freeman movement.

I got a feeling his leaving the Masons was done about one minute before he was kicked out.

I've actually heard of this guy previously. When I looked into it at the time, from what I can recall he knew he was about to be brought up on a laundry list of charges and his chances of being found innocent through the masonic justice system were 0. He decided to leave before being unceremoniously booted, which seems to happen quite often.

Freemasonry's internal justice system prides itself on due process, so its generally very fair..he just didn't happen to have a defense.

dudalb · 13th January 2010, 03:08 PM

I have some "Titles of Nobility" myself in the SCA (A Medieval Reenactment group..and I know other JREFERS are also members) but we don't pretend we have "real" titles.

LightinDarkness · 17th January 2010, 07:44 PM

Watch what happens when the FOTLers apply their inability to understand that words have different meanings in different context with words outside the law:

Quote:

CONdom first bit CON MEANS CON dick head. there is more people alive today than in the past 12000 years and would happen with or with out CONdoms and over half the world dont not wear them so how do you come up with the fact that they prevent any thing! so would you say a CONdom is insurance like the pill smoke and mirrors oh and dont say the nhs why there are so many people around today because that is just silly. step out of the box to see the workings. then say if insurance is nesseary.

Apparently because "condom" has the word CON in it, it must mean that wearing condoms will not dramatically reduce pregnancy!

So don't worry guys..just tell your girl next time that its all a CON and throw that CONdom away! They don't prevent a thing!

FOTL woos - first they were legal experts, now experts on medicine. What next?

fromdownunder · 17th January 2010, 09:27 PM

Originally Posted by LightinDarkness

Apparently because "condom" has the word CON in it, it must mean that wearing condoms will not dramatically reduce pregnancy!

So don't worry guys..just tell your girl next time that its all a CON and throw that CONdom away! They don't prevent a thing!

FOTL woos - first they were legal experts, now experts on medicine. What next?

I think, uuummmm,,, "fathers"

Norm

Elizabeth I · 17th January 2010, 09:32 PM

Originally Posted by fromdownunder

I think, uuummmm,,, "fathers"

Norm

Oh, please, God, NO! What a horrible thing to visit on an innocent helpless infant.

Stacey Grove · 18th January 2010, 02:45 PM

Originally Posted by LightinDarkness

Apparently because "condom" has the word CON in it, it must mean that wearing condoms will not dramatically reduce pregnancy!

Words such as contract, control, consequence, conformity etc etc are always written with the "con" in italics when John Harris writes a front page article for tpuc website. His followers really do believe that if it starts with "con", it is a con.

TjW · 19th January 2010, 07:42 AM

Originally Posted by Stacey Grove

Words such as contract, control, consequence, conformity etc etc are always written with the "con" in italics when John Harris writes a front page article for tpuc website. His followers really do believe that if it starts with "con", it is a con.

So on this one idea, they have a consensus?

Sledge · 19th January 2010, 07:45 AM

The connotations of this conceit seem to be confounding them. If only they would concede defeat, but that's not really conceivable.

Paul · 19th January 2010, 08:26 AM

conflating contradictory constructions confers consequent contemplative confusion.

conversely, consequences considered concentratively conceive concomitant contexts.

KingMerv00 · 19th January 2010, 08:28 AM

Originally Posted by Stacey Grove

Words such as contract, control, consequence, conformity etc etc are always written with the "con" in italics when John Harris writes a front page article for tpuc website. His followers really do believe that if it starts with "con", it is a con.

Chili con queso is a delicious liberal media lie!

"Queso" translates roughly to "RFID tags"!

remirol · 19th January 2010, 08:30 AM

Originally Posted by Paul

conflating contradictory constructions confers consequent contemplative confusion.

conversely, consequences considered concentratively conceive concomitant contexts.

Condescending. :P

cwalner · 19th January 2010, 01:52 PM

My favorite take on the whole 'Con' issue is that if Pro and Con are opposites, then what is the opposite of Progress?

Cavorite · 19th January 2010, 02:43 PM

It'd be a bit of a worry if they didn't give consanguinuity due weight, though it might explain a few things.

joe911 · 19th January 2010, 03:05 PM

Originally Posted by cwalner

My favorite take on the whole 'Con' issue is that if Pro and Con are opposites, then what is the opposite of Progress?

Degress?
[die-gress] Not sure how its spelt.

LightinDarkness · 19th January 2010, 04:01 PM

Originally Posted by fromdownunder

I think, uuummmm,,, "fathers"

Norm

You win the internets.

Chaos · 20th January 2010, 02:55 AM

Originally Posted by cwalner

My favorite take on the whole 'Con' issue is that if Pro and Con are opposites, then what is the opposite of Progress?

Congress?

jimbob · 21st January 2010, 09:56 AM

Originally Posted by LightinDarkness

You win the internets.

I think Chaos does, (nominated)

Originally Posted by Chaos

Congress?

commandlinegamer · 21st January 2010, 10:18 AM

I though congress was just a form of ingress and egress.

Redtail · 21st January 2010, 08:45 PM

I'm not quite sure if this is freeman woo or not but it sounds damn close.

http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index....93.0;topicseen

Wheeeee losing your house and gaining jail time!

LightinDarkness · 21st January 2010, 08:55 PM

Originally Posted by Redtail

I'm not quite sure if this is freeman woo or not but it sounds damn close.

http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index....93.0;topicseen

Wheeeee losing your house and gaining jail time!

Can you copy & paste the relevant snippets? When I click on the link it wants me to log in, and I can't bring myself to register for PrisonPlanet. Although if FOTL woo is beginning to take over there, it might be worth it just to read the legions of AJ followers finding themselves in jail screaming "I DO NOT CONTRACT!"

Redtail · 21st January 2010, 09:13 PM

Originally Posted by LightinDarkness

Can you copy & paste the relevant snippets? When I click on the link it wants me to log in, and I can't bring myself to register for PrisonPlanet. Although if FOTL woo is beginning to take over there, it might be worth it just to read the legions of AJ followers finding themselves in jail screaming "I DO NOT CONTRACT!"

Whoops!

Here's the OP...

Originally Posted by hydrogenpal

Here is how to stop any FORCLOSER from moving on you and your home

Take any court files summons or notice of forcloser documents place a 2 cent stamp on the back bottom right corner sign across it in blue ink. flip it back over and sign your social # without dashes and print your all capital name at the top right corner in gold ink . do this on any and all documents turn them back in to the court. if the judges moves forward they will comment a felony as mail fraud.
Also Ask the judge "are you an administrative judge?" don’t not let them dance around the question. make them say yes or no.
When they say yes then say, " I am the beneficiary are we here to find the trustee?”
No matter what keep on it that you are the beneficiary and the judge if he will not appoint some one else becomes the trustee in which the dept he is to pay.
You created the funds so you are the beneficiary why are they trying to argue anything. Its yours.
Now get a certified copy of your deed of trust from your county recorder take the deed and strike out with one line through any locations one the deed that says “ County ” and just above it or below it TYPE in a lower case “ c ” on the word county in al locations.
Now re-fill it into the miscellanies side on the county recorder Get a copy form them. Send a Copy to the Original lender any new owners of the NOTE or servicer, a copy to court and all the lawyers that are involved. If in doubt send a copy.
These 3 things
1: making the judge say they are administrative judge corners them in jurisdiction so they cant jump around in jurisdictions and laws that would apply.
2: the 2 cent stamp process will stop them in there tracks.
3:Recording the deed with a lower case c and refilling it on misc. side takes it from public side and puts it into the private side. The land was never there’s to loan as it is owned by the state in the public and they fraudulently created a Debt on a piece of paper and tied it to you by a deed. This is fraud and they should Be contacted by The FBI and IRS for criminal charges and tax evasion. Sending every one copies lets them know that the land belongs to you and the have no right or claim on the land as the debt is paid in full based on trust account having been taped.
4: Ask mortgage company for a 1098 form it will say that you are the payer and they are recipient.
NOW order from IRS form 4506T and check box 8 to receive all 1099’s and 1098’s and you will see and have your evidence that they committed fraud by this document.
They “MORTGAGE COMPANY” claimed to the IRS that they are the they are payer and you are the recipient. This is a false claim and fraud and you can report them to the IRS department of criminal investigations through form 3949-A.
File these forms and everything above into the court and watch the whole thing fall apart.
€Blessings, Hydrogenpal€

And a voice of reason...

Originally Posted by nustada

I got a better idea.

Pay what you agreed to pay.

He's quickly rebutted with...

Originally Posted by lord edward coke

Do you even know what a Federal reserve note is

You cannot ' pay ' . You ' discharge the debt '.
look here: http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=63062.0

and here: http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index....7552#msg517552

Originally Posted by Hydrogenpal

Afederal reserve NOTE, is a promise to pay
A promise to pay is a debt.
If you pay a debt with a dept you have commited a felony.
So what is really going on there with that. lol
Can they put you in jail. YEP you commited a crime

The rest of it is pretty much "thanks!" and "right on man" type replies.

LightinDarkness · 21st January 2010, 09:53 PM

Yep, its American-Style FOTL woo all right. Anyone trying this would find, as our FOTL woos across the pond in England have seen, that all this will result in is being held in contempt of court and then having the legal action occur anyways (in this case, the home being foreclosed on).

I love how they just make up legal theory as they go along, like by using a "c" instead of a "C" that you somehow mystically place your house deed in this magical legal ream of "the private" versus "the public" (which, as legal concepts, don't actually exist).

Its the same key FOTL concept: if you recite certain magical legal woo phrases and file the correct amount of frivolous documents which have no legal standing, the Powers That Be will simply give up and see that you no longer owe money for your debts.

uk_dave · 21st January 2010, 10:49 PM

The gold ink is a nice touch.

Redtail · 22nd January 2010, 12:03 AM

LOL! And another voice of reason...

Quote:

HYDROGENPAL,

While your methods, which I have read about before, sound reasonable, good luck with getting a judge to answer your silly question! Your likely to get thrown out of court. Why? Because regardless of what YOU believe, the court system believes otherwise, and therefore you can complain all you want while in jail for contempt.

Besides, you might try to use better sentence/paragraph structure so people can actually read what your typing. You'd be amazed at what double-spacing will do for readability!

Ultimately, if a person enters into an agreement, they should follow through, instead of looking for loopholes to shirk their responsibility to pay what they borrowed.

If you can't pay, you should give up the item you can't pay for!

But if a person insists that they got duped, which most have, what they should do is challenge the new servicer who is trying to collect on a mortgage they bought in bulk. It turns out that many of these mortgages that were sold in bundles of notes were never legally transfered ownership of the note, which means they cannot legally collect on that note they purchased. A Jacksonville legal services organization has had several foreclosure cases thrown out because the servicer could not show they legally took ownership of the note.

Your little plan will do nothing but piss off ALOT of officials and cause you more grief that you ever want. I HIGHLY recommend an attorney before anyone tries this.

Rebutted with....

Quote:

I appreciate your opinion yet you must understand that as long as it is a court of record the judge will do as you ask as long as you corner them by asking them that question then proceeding. The only way they would find you in contempt is if you had not ask this because they can make up rules laws and jump jurisdictions as they go because you never cornered them on the main issue this has been the missing link for years.
I am not saying to avoid any obligation my friend this process is to help keep people off the streets and out of tent cities.
Then go after them for fraud that’s all.

And...

Quote:

sounds like something an attorney looking for work would say.

dudalb · 22nd January 2010, 10:20 AM

Originally Posted by LightinDarkness

Yep, its American-Style FOTL woo all right. Anyone trying this would find, as our FOTL woos across the pond in England have seen, that all this will result in is being held in contempt of court and then having the legal action occur anyways (in this case, the home being foreclosed on).

I love how they just make up legal theory as they go along, like by using a "c" instead of a "C" that you somehow mystically place your house deed in this magical legal ream of "the private" versus "the public" (which, as legal concepts, don't actually exist).

Its the same key FOTL concept: if you recite certain magical legal woo phrases and file the correct amount of frivolous documents which have no legal standing, the Powers That Be will simply give up and see that you no longer owe money for your debts.

And the second key concept is if the above fails, it is because you did not recite the magical phrases in EXACTLY the Right Way. If you do it Exactly Right, it will work.
That is what keeps the suckers coming back despite failure after failure.

tsig · 22nd January 2010, 12:11 PM

Originally Posted by dudalb

And the second key concept is if the above fails, it is because you did not recite the magical phrases in EXACTLY the Right Way. If you do it Exactly Right, it will work.
That is what keeps the suckers coming back despite failure after failure.

Sounds just like casting a spell. You have to get the wording just right or you are in danger.

Problem is the spell isn't real but the danger of losing your car, home or freedom are.

So far I've seen them lose car and freedom surely one of them will hit the Trifecta.

cwalner · 22nd January 2010, 01:30 PM

Originally Posted by tsig

Sounds just like casting a spell. You have to get the wording just right or you are in danger.

Problem is the spell isn't real but the danger of losing your car, home or freedom are.

So far I've seen them lose car and freedom surely one of them will hit the Trifecta.

That's what happens when you try to use d4's in a d20 world. 25% chance of critical failure.

dudalb · 22nd January 2010, 04:05 PM

Originally Posted by cwalner

That's what happens when you try to use d4's in a d20 world. 25% chance of critical failure.

Maybe they should try repeating the Magic Legal Words backwords.
Works for Zatana.....

12th January 2010, 11:17 PM	#1521
LightinDarkness Master Poster Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 2,551	A recent girlgye post on the David Icke forum talking about her recent "successes" with FOTL woo (bolds are mine): Quote: Yes Kev those have been my experiences. I've gone before two Circuit Judges regarding my Car. First one just clutched the statute legislation folder as though she was clutching a baby I was trying to kidnap. Simply didn't have a clue and they are still 'at it' today by trying to send robbers and kidnappers to my door daily. Though I'm giving 2 days grace and believe me that has totally lightened me up. All the Fee schedules and class action suit are ready to go. I'm here looking up Fed Ex as I missed the post. In one court case he cited in documentation which he now refuses to give over that I disrupted proceedings by asking whether this was a house of god and given my learned friend some spiritual advice Now obviously that one got through. Then he jailed me on a minor dismeanor that does not warrant a 2 week custodial sentence. The other Judge said this is not a court of philosopy it is a court of law. This was the best judge and knew what he was doing but we out witted him on his point. He too had to resort to quoting statutes at us. Nice try though. The thing to do is to study it til it is ingrained in your heart not to go in there to outwit them. If you go for the latter they will always outwit you. So..shes gone before not one, but two judges on this and it just couldn't possibly be that shes citing fake legal principles which don't exist, its just that the judges are stupid and don't know the law. And they keep sending what I assume is some sort of bailiff ("robbers and kidnappers) to drag her to court. And she thinks she'll be able to "sue them all!" for impounding her car since she as a Free(women?) on the Land is exempt from such nuisances and licenses and registration. Shes spent no doubt hundreds of hours and thousands of dollars in court, in jail, and filing FOTL documents that have no legal merit in order to prove the point that she can drive wherever she wants without obeying the laws on licenses. Yet shes makes fun of us stupid sheep who follow the law and spend a few hours every few years applying for a license and around $75 in assorted fees to drive. I tell you what, being a Freeman-On-The-Land sure is a lot of work over being a sheeple! Isn't interesting that, although FOTL woo says statutes have no power over Freeman, they continue to be applied to them no matter how many frivolous legal documents they file?
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13th January 2010, 12:24 AM	#1523
Mojo Mostly harmless Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Nor Flanden Posts: 22,079	"He too had to resort to quoting statutes at us."
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13th January 2010, 12:56 AM	#1524
Darat Lackey Administrator / JREF Forum Liaison Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: South East, UK Posts: 64,742	I genuinely feel sorry for the people caught up in this nonsense and also for the judges that have to deal with them. Pity the judges can't force a defendant to undergo psychiatric treatment - some of defendants seem to have become truly delusional and irrational, to such an extent that they are harming themselves.
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13th January 2010, 03:11 AM	#1525
Rolfe Anti-homeopathy illuminati member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: NT 150 511 Posts: 34,314	Girlgye is English, isn't she? (OK, she resides in England as far as I can tell. I suppose she wouldn't acknowledge herself as "English".) She'll be spending pounds. I wonder how many? Rolfe.
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13th January 2010, 07:20 AM	#1528
Paul Master Poster Join Date: May 2004 Location: UK Posts: 2,973	Originally Posted by scissorhands Heres proof for you sheeple. From the same thread, a link to this legal genius - http://www.tpuc.org/content/sussex-police-interview Interestingly, Mr StClair seems to have good reason to avoid publicity
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13th January 2010, 12:21 AM	#1522
PB2007 This line left intentionally blank Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Here and now Posts: 235	I'm still trying to find the thread where one member read that the EU passed a ruling that something like "Stop and Search" was illegal* and the UK Gov basically said "We'll consider our response but until then we'll carry on doing it" SO this FOTL decided that if you went to court and were found guilty and sentanced all you had to do was say "OK i'll consider your ruling for a while" and until you consented to the judgement you'd be free to go.... * Sorry but i really don't remember what it as.

13th January 2010, 05:18 AM	#1526
Stacey Grove Muse Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: W1 Posts: 828	Originally Posted by Rolfe Girlgye is English, isn't she? Apparently she is from the Liverpool area. She has had her car taken from her and crushed, and it is believed she had three succesful businesses before she got involved in this stuff. She was sent to Styal prison recently for contempt. It appears she took a recording device into the courtroom. But if anything her experience has confirmed her belief that the FOTL woo is correct.

13th January 2010, 09:50 AM	#1529
jargon buster Illuminator Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 4,049	I couldnt stop laughing at that link to that sinclair character Excellent work Paul JB

13th January 2010, 09:55 AM	#1530
jargon buster Illuminator Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 4,049	Girlgye I feel is being used by the numpties on Ickes as anyone else who posts the way she does and abuses ne members would be instantly banned. I have had two temp bans for far less than the garbage she spews. I offered £100,000 to anyone who could access my bond and it had more hits in a week than Menards postings had in months and they say their not in it for the money Even Menard wouldnt take up my offer even though he sells a package on how to do it JB

13th January 2010, 02:29 PM	#1531
commandlinegamer Philosopher Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Mazes of Menace Posts: 5,889	Originally Posted by Paul From the same thread, a link to this legal genius - http://www.tpuc.org/content/sussex-police-interview Interestingly, Mr StClair seems to have good reason to avoid publicity When I saw that first photo, I thought 'What's Johnny Vegas doing in black tie?'

13th January 2010, 02:44 PM	#1532
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 22,782	Originally Posted by Paul From the same thread, a link to this legal genius - http://www.tpuc.org/content/sussex-police-interview Interestingly, Mr StClair seems to have good reason to avoid publicity Ladies and Gentlemen, I give you the Freeman movement. I got a feeling his leaving the Masons was done about one minute before he was kicked out.

13th January 2010, 02:51 PM	#1533
LightinDarkness Master Poster Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 2,551	Originally Posted by dudalb Ladies and Gentlemen, I give you the Freeman movement. I got a feeling his leaving the Masons was done about one minute before he was kicked out. I've actually heard of this guy previously. When I looked into it at the time, from what I can recall he knew he was about to be brought up on a laundry list of charges and his chances of being found innocent through the masonic justice system were 0. He decided to leave before being unceremoniously booted, which seems to happen quite often. Freemasonry's internal justice system prides itself on due process, so its generally very fair..he just didn't happen to have a defense.

13th January 2010, 03:08 PM	#1534
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 22,782	I have some "Titles of Nobility" myself in the SCA (A Medieval Reenactment group..and I know other JREFERS are also members) but we don't pretend we have "real" titles.

17th January 2010, 07:44 PM	#1535
LightinDarkness Master Poster Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 2,551	Watch what happens when the FOTLers apply their inability to understand that words have different meanings in different context with words outside the law: Quote: CONdom first bit CON MEANS CON dick head. there is more people alive today than in the past 12000 years and would happen with or with out CONdoms and over half the world dont not wear them so how do you come up with the fact that they prevent any thing! so would you say a CONdom is insurance like the pill smoke and mirrors oh and dont say the nhs why there are so many people around today because that is just silly. step out of the box to see the workings. then say if insurance is nesseary. Apparently because "condom" has the word CON in it, it must mean that wearing condoms will not dramatically reduce pregnancy! So don't worry guys..just tell your girl next time that its all a CON and throw that CONdom away! They don't prevent a thing! FOTL woos - first they were legal experts, now experts on medicine. What next?

17th January 2010, 09:27 PM	#1536
fromdownunder Illuminator Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 3,091	Originally Posted by LightinDarkness Apparently because "condom" has the word CON in it, it must mean that wearing condoms will not dramatically reduce pregnancy! So don't worry guys..just tell your girl next time that its all a CON and throw that CONdom away! They don't prevent a thing! FOTL woos - first they were legal experts, now experts on medicine. What next? I think, uuummmm,,, "fathers" Norm

17th January 2010, 09:32 PM	#1537
Elizabeth I Olympic Equestrian Wannabe Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Defending the Alamo Posts: 9,255	Originally Posted by fromdownunder I think, uuummmm,,, "fathers" Norm Oh, please, God, NO! What a horrible thing to visit on an innocent helpless infant.
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18th January 2010, 02:45 PM	#1538
Stacey Grove Muse Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: W1 Posts: 828	Originally Posted by LightinDarkness Apparently because "condom" has the word CON in it, it must mean that wearing condoms will not dramatically reduce pregnancy! Words such as contract, control, consequence, conformity etc etc are always written with the "con" in italics when John Harris writes a front page article for tpuc website. His followers really do believe that if it starts with "con", it is a con.

19th January 2010, 07:42 AM	#1539
TjW Philosopher Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: up in the air Posts: 9,969	Originally Posted by Stacey Grove Words such as contract, control, consequence, conformity etc etc are always written with the "con" in italics when John Harris writes a front page article for tpuc website. His followers really do believe that if it starts with "con", it is a con. So on this one idea, they have a consensus?
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19th January 2010, 07:45 AM	#1540
Sledge Grammaton Cleric Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Swingin' on a star Posts: 7,123	The connotations of this conceit seem to be confounding them. If only they would concede defeat, but that's not really conceivable.
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19th January 2010, 08:26 AM	#1541
Paul Master Poster Join Date: May 2004 Location: UK Posts: 2,973	conflating contradictory constructions confers consequent contemplative confusion. conversely, consequences considered concentratively conceive concomitant contexts.
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19th January 2010, 08:28 AM	#1542
KingMerv00 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Philadelphia, PA...USA Posts: 14,482	Originally Posted by Stacey Grove Words such as contract, control, consequence, conformity etc etc are always written with the "con" in italics when John Harris writes a front page article for tpuc website. His followers really do believe that if it starts with "con", it is a con. Chili con queso is a delicious liberal media lie! "Queso" translates roughly to "RFID tags"!
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19th January 2010, 08:30 AM	#1543
remirol Senior Wrangler Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Etlanna, Jawja Posts: 7,547	Originally Posted by Paul conflating contradictory constructions confers consequent contemplative confusion. conversely, consequences considered concentratively conceive concomitant contexts. Condescending. :P
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19th January 2010, 01:52 PM	#1544
cwalner Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Deepest Darkest Indiana Posts: 5,693	My favorite take on the whole 'Con' issue is that if Pro and Con are opposites, then what is the opposite of Progress?
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19th January 2010, 02:43 PM	#1545
Cavorite Scholar Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 69	It'd be a bit of a worry if they didn't give consanguinuity due weight, though it might explain a few things.
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19th January 2010, 03:05 PM	#1546
joe911 Critical Thinker Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Hull,England Posts: 286	Originally Posted by cwalner My favorite take on the whole 'Con' issue is that if Pro and Con are opposites, then what is the opposite of Progress? Degress? [die-gress] Not sure how its spelt.
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19th January 2010, 04:01 PM	#1547
LightinDarkness Master Poster Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 2,551	Originally Posted by fromdownunder I think, uuummmm,,, "fathers" Norm You win the internets.

20th January 2010, 02:55 AM	#1548
Chaos TAM Chocolate Dispenser Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Heart of Old Europe Posts: 9,776	Originally Posted by cwalner My favorite take on the whole 'Con' issue is that if Pro and Con are opposites, then what is the opposite of Progress? Congress?
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21st January 2010, 09:56 AM	#1549
jimbob Uncritical "thinker" Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Derbyshire, UK Posts: 5,162	Originally Posted by LightinDarkness You win the internets. I think Chaos does, (nominated) Originally Posted by Chaos Congress?
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21st January 2010, 10:18 AM	#1550
commandlinegamer Philosopher Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Mazes of Menace Posts: 5,889	I though congress was just a form of ingress and egress.

21st January 2010, 08:45 PM	#1551
Redtail Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 9,303	Freeman Your House! I'm not quite sure if this is freeman woo or not but it sounds damn close. http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index....93.0;topicseen Wheeeee losing your house and gaining jail time!
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21st January 2010, 08:55 PM	#1552
LightinDarkness Master Poster Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 2,551	Originally Posted by Redtail I'm not quite sure if this is freeman woo or not but it sounds damn close. http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index....93.0;topicseen Wheeeee losing your house and gaining jail time! Can you copy & paste the relevant snippets? When I click on the link it wants me to log in, and I can't bring myself to register for PrisonPlanet. Although if FOTL woo is beginning to take over there, it might be worth it just to read the legions of AJ followers finding themselves in jail screaming "I DO NOT CONTRACT!"

21st January 2010, 09:13 PM	#1553
Redtail Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 9,303	Originally Posted by LightinDarkness Can you copy & paste the relevant snippets? When I click on the link it wants me to log in, and I can't bring myself to register for PrisonPlanet. Although if FOTL woo is beginning to take over there, it might be worth it just to read the legions of AJ followers finding themselves in jail screaming "I DO NOT CONTRACT!" Whoops! Here's the OP... Originally Posted by hydrogenpal Here is how to stop any FORCLOSER from moving on you and your home Take any court files summons or notice of forcloser documents place a 2 cent stamp on the back bottom right corner sign across it in blue ink. flip it back over and sign your social # without dashes and print your all capital name at the top right corner in gold ink . do this on any and all documents turn them back in to the court. if the judges moves forward they will comment a felony as mail fraud. Also Ask the judge "are you an administrative judge?" don’t not let them dance around the question. make them say yes or no. When they say yes then say, " I am the beneficiary are we here to find the trustee?” No matter what keep on it that you are the beneficiary and the judge if he will not appoint some one else becomes the trustee in which the dept he is to pay. You created the funds so you are the beneficiary why are they trying to argue anything. Its yours. Now get a certified copy of your deed of trust from your county recorder take the deed and strike out with one line through any locations one the deed that says “ County ” and just above it or below it TYPE in a lower case “ c ” on the word county in al locations. Now re-fill it into the miscellanies side on the county recorder Get a copy form them. Send a Copy to the Original lender any new owners of the NOTE or servicer, a copy to court and all the lawyers that are involved. If in doubt send a copy. These 3 things 1: making the judge say they are administrative judge corners them in jurisdiction so they cant jump around in jurisdictions and laws that would apply. 2: the 2 cent stamp process will stop them in there tracks. 3:Recording the deed with a lower case c and refilling it on misc. side takes it from public side and puts it into the private side. The land was never there’s to loan as it is owned by the state in the public and they fraudulently created a Debt on a piece of paper and tied it to you by a deed. This is fraud and they should Be contacted by The FBI and IRS for criminal charges and tax evasion. Sending every one copies lets them know that the land belongs to you and the have no right or claim on the land as the debt is paid in full based on trust account having been taped. 4: Ask mortgage company for a 1098 form it will say that you are the payer and they are recipient. NOW order from IRS form 4506T and check box 8 to receive all 1099’s and 1098’s and you will see and have your evidence that they committed fraud by this document. They “MORTGAGE COMPANY” claimed to the IRS that they are the they are payer and you are the recipient. This is a false claim and fraud and you can report them to the IRS department of criminal investigations through form 3949-A. File these forms and everything above into the court and watch the whole thing fall apart. €Blessings, Hydrogenpal€ And a voice of reason... Originally Posted by nustada I got a better idea. Pay what you agreed to pay. He's quickly rebutted with... Originally Posted by lord edward coke Do you even know what a Federal reserve note is You cannot ' pay ' . You ' discharge the debt '. look here: http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=63062.0 and here: http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index....7552#msg517552 Originally Posted by Hydrogenpal Afederal reserve NOTE, is a promise to pay A promise to pay is a debt. If you pay a debt with a dept you have commited a felony. So what is really going on there with that. lol Can they put you in jail. YEP you commited a crime The rest of it is pretty much "thanks!" and "right on man" type replies.
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21st January 2010, 09:53 PM	#1554
LightinDarkness Master Poster Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 2,551	Yep, its American-Style FOTL woo all right. Anyone trying this would find, as our FOTL woos across the pond in England have seen, that all this will result in is being held in contempt of court and then having the legal action occur anyways (in this case, the home being foreclosed on). I love how they just make up legal theory as they go along, like by using a "c" instead of a "C" that you somehow mystically place your house deed in this magical legal ream of "the private" versus "the public" (which, as legal concepts, don't actually exist). Its the same key FOTL concept: if you recite certain magical legal woo phrases and file the correct amount of frivolous documents which have no legal standing, the Powers That Be will simply give up and see that you no longer owe money for your debts.

21st January 2010, 10:49 PM	#1555
uk_dave Philosopher Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 7,866	The gold ink is a nice touch.
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22nd January 2010, 12:03 AM	#1556
Redtail Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 9,303	LOL! And another voice of reason... Quote: HYDROGENPAL, While your methods, which I have read about before, sound reasonable, good luck with getting a judge to answer your silly question! Your likely to get thrown out of court. Why? Because regardless of what YOU believe, the court system believes otherwise, and therefore you can complain all you want while in jail for contempt. Besides, you might try to use better sentence/paragraph structure so people can actually read what your typing. You'd be amazed at what double-spacing will do for readability! Ultimately, if a person enters into an agreement, they should follow through, instead of looking for loopholes to shirk their responsibility to pay what they borrowed. If you can't pay, you should give up the item you can't pay for! But if a person insists that they got duped, which most have, what they should do is challenge the new servicer who is trying to collect on a mortgage they bought in bulk. It turns out that many of these mortgages that were sold in bundles of notes were never legally transfered ownership of the note, which means they cannot legally collect on that note they purchased. A Jacksonville legal services organization has had several foreclosure cases thrown out because the servicer could not show they legally took ownership of the note. Your little plan will do nothing but piss off ALOT of officials and cause you more grief that you ever want. I HIGHLY recommend an attorney before anyone tries this. Rebutted with.... Quote: I appreciate your opinion yet you must understand that as long as it is a court of record the judge will do as you ask as long as you corner them by asking them that question then proceeding. The only way they would find you in contempt is if you had not ask this because they can make up rules laws and jump jurisdictions as they go because you never cornered them on the main issue this has been the missing link for years. I am not saying to avoid any obligation my friend this process is to help keep people off the streets and out of tent cities. Then go after them for fraud that’s all. And... Quote: sounds like something an attorney looking for work would say.
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