The Freeman Movement and England

[tsig]

Originally Posted by Sledge

I seem to have inadvertantly started a... argument may be too strong a word. Anyhoo, I'll see if I can explain my problem, aside from the fact that trying to think like a FotL makes me feel like a robot in a Star Trek episode being shut down with a logic puzzle.

Ok, if I buy a house with my own money, it's mine. I give the money to the previous owner, end of story. If I take out a mortgage, the bank loans me the money secured against the house and the money is paid to the previous owner. The problem I'm having (and I'm not gonna be surprised if the answer to this is "exactly") is how would I as a Freeloaderman on the Land own the house? The two arguments I can think of are:
1) The money doesn't really exist because it's just electronic transfers, or some similar rubbish
or
2) The money does exist, but the bank has no ability to enforce the contract saying I have to pay it back.

The first one is just silly, as if the money doesn't exist, no one has paid for the house so it still belongs to the original owner. I get the feeling that the second one is what FotL'ers are pushing, but I can't follow the logic. If the contract with the bank isn't binding, why is the contract with the guy who sold the house?

I'm overthinking this, aren't I?

Try reading this:

"Since dd/mm/yyyy it has come to the attention of us, via the Bank of England website and reading of the Gold Standard Act 1925, that the pound is no longer linked to a standard or anything else of value. By this we mean that if a man or woman carrying a promissory note (bank note) issued by the Bank of England with the wording written across it that states “I promise to pay the bearer on demand the sum of…” attempts to exchange this with the issuer for something of value, they cannot, and will only be provided with a similar promissory note. Therefore money has no true value."


ETA: I see you have seen this. Money has no value so even though it's good enough to get you the house in the first place it's not good enough to be used to pay your debt.

Hey we're free man, on the land.

[Toke]

Quote:

"At the time of signing the aforementioned form neither of us fully grasped exactly what was occurring by way of signing the document, and to be honest we still cannot say for certain that we do."

And their ignorance is on a different level than they think.

[LightinDarkness]

Originally Posted by Sledge

I seem to have inadvertantly started a... argument may be too strong a word. Anyhoo, I'll see if I can explain my problem, aside from the fact that trying to think like a FotL makes me feel like a robot in a Star Trek episode being shut down with a logic puzzle.

Ok, if I buy a house with my own money, it's mine. I give the money to the previous owner, end of story. If I take out a mortgage, the bank loans me the money secured against the house and the money is paid to the previous owner. The problem I'm having (and I'm not gonna be surprised if the answer to this is "exactly") is how would I as a Freeloaderman on the Land own the house? The two arguments I can think of are:
1) The money doesn't really exist because it's just electronic transfers, or some similar rubbish
or
2) The money does exist, but the bank has no ability to enforce the contract saying I have to pay it back.

The first one is just silly, as if the money doesn't exist, no one has paid for the house so it still belongs to the original owner. I get the feeling that the second one is what FotL'ers are pushing, but I can't follow the logic. If the contract with the bank isn't binding, why is the contract with the guy who sold the house?

I'm overthinking this, aren't I?

Its both (1) and (2) but they ignore (1) because it highlights one of many obvious flaws in their propaganda. They want to believe that money is not real because its not linked to gold, but then when you point out this means that there is no CONSIDERATION for the home seller in their contract they go ******* nuts and start foaming at the mouth. This is because Freeman-on-the-land woo also pushes that all contracts MUST have consideration (even though that's not true either).

For (2) its quite simple. Since Freeloaders on the land say that any reference to a person in a contract cannot be them since they are LIVING FLESH AND BLOOD SOULS, they can decline to contract with any mortgage using the word person (and all of them will use the word somewhere). Thus, they claim by "God's law" they have a right to the home. Since all of the previous contracts would have referred to persons, they as a flesh and blood soul would have claim to the property over strawman corporate fictions like persons.

Does it make sense? No.

But thats the freeloader on the land way.

[Sledge]

It's just so glorious. The more you look at it, the less sense it makes. From a distance, you could almost see something reasonable in it: the law IS confusing. Maybe there is a conspiracy to make sure the little guy can't use the law, but has to use a lawyer who's in on the whole thing and will make sure "The Man" always wins. Then you get closer and see they're talking about admiralty law and insisting that we're all ships. Then you look at the details and they flat out contradict themselves in the FotLs' rush to avoid paying anything unless they want to.

If someone told me the whole thing had been started as an experiment to see if people would subscribe to an idea no matter how batsqueak insane it was, I'd believe them.

[RHolmes]

Quote:

They want to believe that money is not real because its not linked to gold, but then when you point out this means that there is no CONSIDERATION for the home seller in their contract they go ******* nuts and start foaming at the mouth.

Do you have an example of a FOTL try to reconcile the "money isn't consideration" assertion in their mortgage argument with the "money is consideration" assertion in their analysis (I use the term loosely) of the underlying land transaction?

Quote:

This is because Freeman-on-the-land woo also pushes that all contracts MUST have consideration (even though that's not true either).

Depends where you are. Consideration is necessary in England and Wales.

[Rolfe]

Originally Posted by Sledge

If someone told me the whole thing had been started as an experiment to see if people would subscribe to an idea no matter how batsqueak insane it was, I'd believe them.

I wondered that about David Icke for a while, but nah. He really is batsqueak insane.

Rolfe.

[Mongrel]

Originally Posted by joe911

Quote:

Since a merchant cannot refuse payment

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=101768

I'd like to see the version of the Sale of Goods act that they're reading from.

[Ricomise]

Originally Posted by LightinDarkness

They want to believe that money is not real because its not linked to gold, but then when you point out this means that there is no CONSIDERATION for the home seller in their contract they go ******* nuts and start foaming at the mouth. This is because Freeman-on-the-land woo also pushes that all contracts MUST have consideration (even though that's not true either).

Not to quibble, but from what I recall, under U.S. law (at least) consideration of some kind is required for a contract to exist. Now, of course, consideration isn't restricted to money, it can be anything of value, including a promise to do something in the future. The courts in the U.S. won't look to whether the bargain is fair in terms of the amount of consideration given by each party (except that consideration can't be "nominal;" under common law it had to have the value of a "peppercorn," usually in the U.S. it should be worth $1.)

An agreement that is found not to be binding for lack of consideration could still be enforcable by other legal principles, such as "in quantum meruit," but it is still technically not a contract.

The FOTLers, like with everything, seem to have taken the basic idea of required consideration and stretched it out of any semblence of reality.

[LightinDarkness]

Originally Posted by Ricomise

Not to quibble, but from what I recall, under U.S. law (at least) consideration of some kind is required for a contract to exist. Now, of course, consideration isn't restricted to money, it can be anything of value, including a promise to do something in the future. The courts in the U.S. won't look to whether the bargain is fair in terms of the amount of consideration given by each party (except that consideration can't be "nominal;" under common law it had to have the value of a "peppercorn," usually in the U.S. it should be worth $1.)

An agreement that is found not to be binding for lack of consideration could still be enforcable by other legal principles, such as "in quantum meruit," but it is still technically not a contract.

The FOTLers, like with everything, seem to have taken the basic idea of required consideration and stretched it out of any semblence of reality.

This is only true if you broaden the definition of consideration to include things like "intent to pay". This is not something people normally think of as consideration, because my intention to pay cannot be taken by the opposing party if I decide not to pay.

[jargon buster]

Deeds are contracts that dont require consideration.

By the way they are struggling over on Ikes with the concept of courtrooms not being under maritime law
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=102005


Asky/Jargon Buster

[LightinDarkness]

Originally Posted by jargon buster

Deeds are contracts that dont require consideration.

By the way they are struggling over on Ikes with the concept of courtrooms not being under maritime law
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=102005


Asky/Jargon Buster

There are only a handful of places on the web where one can witness such a stunning ignorance of the law IN ACTION..the DI forum is one of them. Thank you, Daivd Icke.

[jargon buster]

There are some numpties on TPUC as well

Its gone dead at the moment as the sceptics have been banned or stopped posting.

It was the debates that people were tuning in for and now that its stopped its just a load of people nodding in agreement

JB

[Toke]

It is rather amazing that there is no ready made answer to such an essential part of the woo as the admiralty court question.

[dudalb]

Originally Posted by LightinDarkness

Its both (1) and (2) but they ignore (1) because it highlights one of many obvious flaws in their propaganda. They want to believe that money is not real because its not linked to gold, but then when you point out this means that there is no CONSIDERATION for the home seller in their contract they go ******* nuts and start foaming at the mouth. This is because Freeman-on-the-land woo also pushes that all contracts MUST have consideration (even though that's not true either).

For (2) its quite simple. Since Freeloaders on the land say that any reference to a person in a contract cannot be them since they are LIVING FLESH AND BLOOD SOULS, they can decline to contract with any mortgage using the word person (and all of them will use the word somewhere). Thus, they claim by "God's law" they have a right to the home. Since all of the previous contracts would have referred to persons, they as a flesh and blood soul would have claim to the property over strawman corporate fictions like persons.

Does it make sense? No.

But thats the freeloader on the land way.

Some Freeman who are not religious use "Natural Law" instead of "God's Law", but it the same malarky with different labels.

[jargon buster]

Natural law
# The sixteenth law is that they that are at controversie, submit their Right to the judgement of an Arbitrator.
# The seventeenth law is that no man is a fit Arbitrator in his own cause.


Submit?? a freeman, never

That sort of puts their sovereignty stance in a bit of trouble.

All men are equal and all that

JB

[tsig]

Originally Posted by LightinDarkness

There are only a handful of places on the web where one can witness such a stunning ignorance of the law IN ACTION..the DI forum is one of them. Thank you, Daivd Icke.

This seems to worry them a lot:

"It has to be better than simply bending over and taking it up the arse like a good boy, as you advocate."

[jargon buster]

Homophobia must be part of the philosophy as well.

Thats some peoples idea of a good night out

asky

[Arthur Asky]

To drkitten only at the moment! No one else please as for now you will be ignored!

Originally Posted by drkitten

Something like that. Also, God has granted me only about thirty-five million minutes in this world and I have (more) valuable things to do with most of those.

Like make over 17,000 posts. By the way, which "God" granted you this? Your time I mean. How did you know you were granted this? Do you have proof of this granting and documentation?

I hope you have because what a ridiculous claim to make!

[Arthur Asky]

To jargonbuster only at the moment please. All others will be ignored for now.

Originally Posted by jargon buster

Natural law
# The sixteenth law is that they that are at controversie, submit their Right to the judgement of an Arbitrator.
# The seventeenth law is that no man is a fit Arbitrator in his own cause.


Submit?? a freeman, never

That sort of puts their sovereignty stance in a bit of trouble.

All men are equal and all that

JB

So JB, are all men not equal? Have you been reading Mein Kampf at night?

Can you please show how all men are not equal?

[Darat]

Folks I've moved some posts to AAH as they were really not discussing the topic to hand so lets try to keep on-topic- thanks.

Posted By:Darat

[remirol]

Originally Posted by jargon buster

Natural law
# The sixteenth law is that they that are at controversie, submit their Right to the judgement of an Arbitrator.
# The seventeenth law is that no man is a fit Arbitrator in his own cause.

Submit?? a freeman, never

That sort of puts their sovereignty stance in a bit of trouble.

All men are equal and all that

Originally Posted by Arthur Asky

So JB, are all men not equal? Have you been reading Mein Kampf at night?

Can you please show how all men are not equal?

Leading off with such a flagrant strawman (combined with a Godwin!) in your first 10 posts isn't a good way to convince us that FMOTL woo works.

[LightinDarkness]

Observe the best Freemen on the land have to offer: when all the evidence is against you, ignore it and insult those who debunk you.

It really is their #1 tactic...its all they do on the David Icke forums. ANY reasoned attempt to discuss the evidence is met with hysteria and foaming at the mouth.

[Lothian]

Originally Posted by Arthur Asky

Can you please show how all men are not equal?

Sure.
Arthur Asky = 3.
David Icke = 8

[Darth Rotor]

Originally Posted by Arthur Asky

Can you please show how all men are not equal?

Easy.

Michael Jordan
Me

Not equal.

Next?

For your consideration: the principle that all men are created equal has a non-trivial religious/moral element. One way to take that statement from the DoI is the assertion that all men are equally worthy (or unworthy) in God's eyes. In a less religious context, that statement is an assertion that all men should be equal under the law in a fair and just world. When you find one of those, by a fair and just world, please call me.

DR

[LightinDarkness]

Looks like Rob Menard, who we ran off after only 9 posts or so because he couldn't defend FMOTL propaganda, is now targeting me personally!

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showt...post1058622215

And then..gasp..the Freemen think its some sort of secret that I post on the JREF and the DI forums! Because..its such a secret?

[Toke]

It looks like you are taking it as a compliment.
Congratulations.

[LightinDarkness]

Heh, thanks! It makes me feel warm and fuzzy when the snake oil salesmen get so hysterical and worried that they are being shown for who they are that they have to start the character assassination. I guess it tells you when you are on the right track.

[TjW]

Originally Posted by LightinDarkness

Looks like Rob Menard, who we ran off after only 9 posts or so because he couldn't defend FMOTL propaganda, is now targeting me personally!

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showt...post1058622215

And then..gasp..the Freemen think its some sort of secret that I post on the JREF and the DI forums! Because..its such a secret?

I just want you to know it wasn't me who ratted you out.

[Sledge]

Did that yozhik character seriously try and catch you in a "have you stopped beating your wife" trap? That's fantastic.

[Lothian]

Very amusing that the FOTLers get upset with the refusal to use a real name.

I suggest that you 'fess up' and admit that Lightindarkness is just your strawman and that you are ‘Light’ of the family ‘Indarkness’.

[Mojo]

Originally Posted by Lothian

Very amusing that the FOTLers get upset with the refusal to use a real name.

I suggest that you 'fess up' and admit that Lightindarkness is just your strawman and that you are ‘Light’ of the family ‘Indarkness’.

Wouldn't his strawman be 'LIGHTINDARKNESS'?

[Darat]

Does anyone else find it ironic that the colour for that forum is green?

[remirol]

Originally Posted by Darat

Does anyone else find it ironic that the colour for that forum is green?

I think the green ink joke is a slightly dated reference. But I do find it amusing.

[geni]

Originally Posted by Toke

It is rather amazing that there is no ready made answer to such an essential part of the woo as the admiralty court question.

The problem is that it's a US FMOTL concept and england has a different legal system with a different history. As a result it's rather hard to import it dirrectly. Things like the frindge on the flag claims don't work in the UK where we tend not to have flags.

The other problem is that if anyone really care they can look up when admiralty courts ceased to exist in england (early 20th century).

[Mojo]

Originally Posted by geni

The other problem is that if anyone really care they can look up when admiralty courts ceased to exist in england (early 20th century).

http://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWHC/Admlty/

[LightinDarkness]

Originally Posted by Mojo

Wouldn't his strawman be 'LIGHTINDARKNESS'?

Shh!

Interestingly it now appears half a dozen of the DI Forum lunatics are forum stalking me over here. Not that it matters - I use the same name in all the forums I post because I don't care who knows.

Yeah, the poster "yohzik" over there is probably the number one example of the hysterics you can expect to run into. He appears to be in his late teens, has no job or education (he can afford to post all day long and then claim he "wins" when you don't post an immediate response). I have yet to see him ever do anything but hurl personal insults - not one piece of evidence for FMOTL from him. Hes the DI forum's noise maker - I probably need to just keep him on ignore, but hes so funny to watch as he flails about.

[geni]

Originally Posted by Mojo

http://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWHC/Admlty/

Thats just the one that got taken over by High Court in the late 19th century isn't it?

[Arthur Asky]

Originally Posted by LightinDarkness

Another Freeman on the Land arrested]

This guy was huge on the David Icke forums. But I just don't understand it - how can a Freeman on the Land be arrested? HOW CAN THIS BE?

If you live on the island of Lightindarkness and only ever know the language of Lightindarknessinian that is all you will ever speak if you meet no one else from another shore.

Those few Lightindarknessinian's who do leave their homeland and encounter others from another race of people may or may not choose to learn the new language they have now encountered.

Some may stay in the new land never to return to their homeland again thus never imparting the newly discovered language to their fellow people.

Others may do so, coming back and teaching the new language to their own people.

This is a little like why a freeman-on-the-land can be and is arrested and not the reason why he should be.

You see if you live on the island of Lightindarkness and only ever know the language of Lightindarknessinian that is all you will ever speak if you meet no one else from another shore. These are the Policy Enforcement Officers and Judiciary who never move out of their circle. They have been taught since day one that they can essentially do whatever they like under Statute Law as it is equal to, derived from or in most cases superior to common law. Now like those of the island of Lightindarkness they know nothing of any other subject other than what they have been taught is correct. Why would they the poor souls? These are in the majority. These have rather comfortable lives and will jump at the push of a button to execute what they believe is what they have the right to do so regardless of the actual facts.

The others however are comprised of two sorts. Firstly the ones who spread their newly learned language to their fellow people and gain knowledge of other ideas and facts. Some are drawn to leave the Policy Enforcement Office they hold and begin a new life. These people who have worked enslaving others for years are well known and have dropped out of the mainstream and began to paddle their own canoe. They are known to us all through the mainstream media that belittles and mocks them for making a choice of and for the self.

Lastly are the ones tempted by freedom but not enough. Fear of mockery and guilt about family humiliation and so forth is to much for them so they stay within the system sometimes letting the word out but then slipping back inside the system. Agent Smith wanted the deal from Morpheus:


"Smith Interrogates Morpheus Transcript

Scott Manning
June 23, 2003

morpheus.jpgSince the release of The Matrix Reloaded, scenes from the first film have whole new meanings. One of the scenes that is probably overlooked too much is the scene where Agent Smith interrogates Morpheus. Agent Smith moves away from the computer-like personality that all the agents seem to posses to reveal a philosopher and a frustrated man.

Smith reveals that there were previous versions of the matrix.

----------------------

Agent Smith: Have you ever stood and stared at it, marveled at it's beauty, it's genius? Billions of people just living out their lives, oblivious. Did you know that the first Matrix was designed to be a perfect human world. Where none suffered. Where everyone would be happy. It was a disaster. No one would accept the program. Entire crops were lost. Some believed that we lacked the programming language to describe your perfect world. But I believe that as a species, human beings define their reality through misery and suffering. The perfect world would dream that your primitive cerebrum kept trying to wake up from. Which is why the Matrix was redesigned to this, the peak of your civilization. I say your civilization because as soon as we started thinking for you it really became our civilization which is of course what this is all about. Evolution, Morpheus, evolution, like the dinosaur. Look out that window. You had your time. The future is our world, Morpheus. The future is our time.

*Tank and Trinity argue over whether or not to kill Morpheus*

Agent Smith: Never send a human to do a machine's job.

Agent Brown: If indeed the insider has failed, they'll sever the connection as soon as possible, unless...

Agent Jones: They're dead, in either case...

Agent Smith: We have no choice but to continue as planned. Deploy the sentinels immediately.

*Neo and Trinity decide to go into the matrix to save Morpheus.*

Agent Smith: I'd like to share a revelation during my time here. It came to me when I tried to classify your species. I realized that you're not actually mammals. Every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with the surrounding environment but you humans do not. You move to an area and you multiply and multiply until every natural resource is consumed. The only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet. You are a plague, and we are the cure.

*Neo and Trinity get guns. Lots of guns.*

Agent Smith: Why isn't this serum working?

Agent Brown: Perhaps we're asking the wrong questions.

Agent Smith: Leave me with him. Now.

*Tank tells Morpheus to hold on.*

Agent Smith: Can you hear me, Morpheus? I'm going to be honest with you. I hate this place, this zoo, this prison, this reality, whatever you want to call it. I can't stand it any longer. It's the smell, if there is such a thing. I feel saturated by it. I can taste your stink. And every time I do I feel I have somehow been infected by it. It's repulsive, isn't it? I must get out of here. I must get free and in this mind is the key, my key. Once Zion is destroyed there is no need for me to be here, don't you understand? I need the codes. I have to get inside Zion, and you have to tell me how. You're going to tell me or you're going to die."

This is a little like why a freeman-on-the-land can be and is arrested and not the reason why he should be. Too many are Agents.

[RHolmes]

Quote:

They have been taught since day one that they can essentially do whatever they like under Statute Law as it is equal to, derived from or in most cases superior to common law. Now like those of the island of Lightindarkness they know nothing of any other subject other than what they have been taught is correct. Why would they the poor souls? These are in the majority. These have rather comfortable lives and will jump at the push of a button to execute what they believe is what they have the right to do so regardless of the actual facts.

That's right. Those of us who have actually studied and practise law never think for ourselves. We never ask questions, disagree with each other's legal understanding or employ analytical thinking skills. We are utterly devoid of all curiosity and intelligence.

In fact, don't tell anyone Arthur, but we're actually robots. *click click whirr*

Only FOTLers, who get their legal education from those without a legal education, really understand the law.

I get this. I really do. That's why, when my pipes go tits up, the last person I'd call is a plumber. Don't want anyone touching my waterworks whose understanding might have been limited by training.

[Redtail]

Originally Posted by Arthur Asky

If you live on the island of Lightindarkness and only ever know the language of Lightindarknessinian that is all you will ever speak if you meet no one else from another shore.

Those few Lightindarknessinian's who do leave their homeland and encounter others from another race of people may or may not choose to learn the new language they have now encountered.

Some may stay in the new land never to return to their homeland again thus never imparting the newly discovered language to their fellow people.

Others may do so, coming back and teaching the new language to their own people.

This is a little like why a freeman-on-the-land can be and is arrested and not the reason why he should be.

You see if you live on the island of Lightindarkness and only ever know the language of Lightindarknessinian that is all you will ever speak if you meet no one else from another shore. These are the Policy Enforcement Officers and Judiciary who never move out of their circle. They have been taught since day one that they can essentially do whatever they like under Statute Law as it is equal to, derived from or in most cases superior to common law. Now like those of the island of Lightindarkness they know nothing of any other subject other than what they have been taught is correct. Why would they the poor souls? These are in the majority. These have rather comfortable lives and will jump at the push of a button to execute what they believe is what they have the right to do so regardless of the actual facts.

The others however are comprised of two sorts. Firstly the ones who spread their newly learned language to their fellow people and gain knowledge of other ideas and facts. Some are drawn to leave the Policy Enforcement Office they hold and begin a new life. These people who have worked enslaving others for years are well known and have dropped out of the mainstream and began to paddle their own canoe. They are known to us all through the mainstream media that belittles and mocks them for making a choice of and for the self.

Lastly are the ones tempted by freedom but not enough. Fear of mockery and guilt about family humiliation and so forth is to much for them so they stay within the system sometimes letting the word out but then slipping back inside the system. Agent Smith wanted the deal from Morpheus:


"Smith Interrogates Morpheus Transcript

Scott Manning
June 23, 2003

morpheus.jpgSince the release of The Matrix Reloaded, scenes from the first film have whole new meanings. One of the scenes that is probably overlooked too much is the scene where Agent Smith interrogates Morpheus. Agent Smith moves away from the computer-like personality that all the agents seem to posses to reveal a philosopher and a frustrated man.

Smith reveals that there were previous versions of the matrix.

----------------------

Agent Smith: Have you ever stood and stared at it, marveled at it's beauty, it's genius? Billions of people just living out their lives, oblivious. Did you know that the first Matrix was designed to be a perfect human world. Where none suffered. Where everyone would be happy. It was a disaster. No one would accept the program. Entire crops were lost. Some believed that we lacked the programming language to describe your perfect world. But I believe that as a species, human beings define their reality through misery and suffering. The perfect world would dream that your primitive cerebrum kept trying to wake up from. Which is why the Matrix was redesigned to this, the peak of your civilization. I say your civilization because as soon as we started thinking for you it really became our civilization which is of course what this is all about. Evolution, Morpheus, evolution, like the dinosaur. Look out that window. You had your time. The future is our world, Morpheus. The future is our time.

*Tank and Trinity argue over whether or not to kill Morpheus*

Agent Smith: Never send a human to do a machine's job.

Agent Brown: If indeed the insider has failed, they'll sever the connection as soon as possible, unless...

Agent Jones: They're dead, in either case...

Agent Smith: We have no choice but to continue as planned. Deploy the sentinels immediately.

*Neo and Trinity decide to go into the matrix to save Morpheus.*

Agent Smith: I'd like to share a revelation during my time here. It came to me when I tried to classify your species. I realized that you're not actually mammals. Every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with the surrounding environment but you humans do not. You move to an area and you multiply and multiply until every natural resource is consumed. The only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet. You are a plague, and we are the cure.

*Neo and Trinity get guns. Lots of guns.*

Agent Smith: Why isn't this serum working?

Agent Brown: Perhaps we're asking the wrong questions.

Agent Smith: Leave me with him. Now.

*Tank tells Morpheus to hold on.*

Agent Smith: Can you hear me, Morpheus? I'm going to be honest with you. I hate this place, this zoo, this prison, this reality, whatever you want to call it. I can't stand it any longer. It's the smell, if there is such a thing. I feel saturated by it. I can taste your stink. And every time I do I feel I have somehow been infected by it. It's repulsive, isn't it? I must get out of here. I must get free and in this mind is the key, my key. Once Zion is destroyed there is no need for me to be here, don't you understand? I need the codes. I have to get inside Zion, and you have to tell me how. You're going to tell me or you're going to die."

This is a little like why a freeman-on-the-land can be and is arrested and not the reason why he should be. Too many are Agents.