[Merged] Swine Flu Shot Not Like Eating a Hot Dog

Deranged · 3rd October 2009, 09:00 AM

http://voices.injuryboard.com/miscel...oogleid=271748

Read side effects underneath the video and good luck with that Swine Fu shot. I'll pass.

shawmutt · 3rd October 2009, 09:10 AM

Nice Gish Gallop.

From your link:

Quote:

The Swine Flu Vaccine Package Insert admits that it causes Guillian-Barre Syndrome, Vasculitis, Paralysis, Anaphylactic Shock and Death. This is taken from a report that I just received.

All medications are required by the FDA to list all possible side effects, regardless of the frequency. What is the reported frequency and severity of said side effects versus the benefits of avoiding novel H1N1?

Dymanic · 3rd October 2009, 09:23 AM

I hope you paid particular attention to this:

Quote:

Squalene is not licensed for use in the United States.

TheAnachronism · 3rd October 2009, 09:28 AM

Originally Posted by Deranged

http://voices.injuryboard.com/miscel...oogleid=271748

Read side effects underneath the video and good luck with that Swine Fu shot. I'll pass.

I read the Swine Flu insert a week ago after someone on my Facebook was posting a bunch of ridiculous claims about it. If I remember correctly, all data presented was not specifically from studies with the swine flu vaccine, but from studies done with other season flu vaccines since 1998 (or something like that). So, if it hasn't been particularly problematic in the past 10 years, I don't see the point in freaking out about it now,

Also, Guillian-Barre Syndrome was not shown to be caused by the swine flu vaccine (because, as I said, they didn't specifically study it). Rather, it mentioned that people seemed to have an increased risk of Guillian-Barre during the 1974 flu vaccines, but subsequent tests have shown no connection.

shawmutt · 3rd October 2009, 09:34 AM

/offtopic Holy carp TheAnachronism that is the coolest avatar ever!

Myriad · 3rd October 2009, 09:48 AM

There are several child deaths (and many more injuries and close calls requiring hospital treatment) in the U.S. each year from choking on hot dogs.

Also, many people develop serious illnesses including leukemia, seizures, brain inflammation, multiple sclerosis, rheumatoid arthritis, strokes, lupus, heart attacks, and miscarriages after having eaten hot dogs. And yet, Federal health officials (those fiends) have warned us that these will be regarded as coincidences and not related in any way to eating a hot dog.

Not only that, but there are plans to dispense hot dogs to drive-through consumers, despite the obvious risk of choking on a hot dog while driving.

So, contra the thread title, according to the linked video, a Swine Flu shot is very much like eating a hot dog.

Oh, except eating the hot dog won't protect you from a contagious disease that kills hundreds of thousands of people a year. (Unless you choke to death on it; people who choke to death on hot dogs seem to be immune to the effects of flu.)

Respectfully,
Myriad

TheAnachronism · 3rd October 2009, 10:03 AM

Originally Posted by shawmutt

/offtopic Holy carp TheAnachronism that is the coolest avatar ever!

/offtopic Thanks!

r-j · 3rd October 2009, 10:34 AM

Eating a hot dog will protect you from starvation!

BenBurch · 3rd October 2009, 10:54 AM

My Dachshund objects to this topic.

Deranged · 3rd October 2009, 11:10 AM

Originally Posted by shawmutt

Nice Gish Gallop.

From your link:

All medications are required by the FDA to list all possible side effects, regardless of the frequency. What is the reported frequency and severity of said side effects versus the benefits of avoiding novel H1N1?

Quote:

Squalene in vaccines has been strongly linked to the Gulf War Syndrome. On August 1991, Anthony Principi, Secretary of Veterans Affairs admitted that soldiers vaccinated with the anthrax vaccine from 1990 to 1991 had an increased risk of 200 percent in developing the deadly disease amyotrophic lateral sclerosis (ALS), also called Lou Gehrig’s disease. The soldiers also suffered from a number of debilitating and life-shortening diseases, such as polyarteritis nodosa, multiple sclerosis (MS), lupus, transverse myelitis (a neurological disorder caused by inflammation of the spinal cord), endocarditis (inflammation of the heart’s inner lining), optic neuritis with blindness and glomerulonephritis (a type of kidney disease).

Because squalene, the main ingredient in MF-59, can induce hyperimmune responses and induce autoimmunity, a real danger exists for prolonged activation of the brain’s immune cells, the microglia. This type of prolonged activation has been strongly associated with such diseases as multiple sclerosis, Alzheimer’s disease, Parkinson’s disease, ALS and possibly vaccine-related encephalitis. It has been shown that activation of the systemic immune system, as occurs with vaccination, rapidly activates the brain’s microglia at the same time, and this brain inflammation can persist for long periods.

http://www.rense.com/general87/blay2.htm

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BenBurch · 3rd October 2009, 11:11 AM

BS

Mick Houlahan · 3rd October 2009, 11:42 AM

Deranged, if you're going to cut-and-paste a bunch of baloney from Newsmax.com you should give them credit. Or blame.

Deranged · 3rd October 2009, 11:55 AM

Originally Posted by Mick Houlahan

Deranged, if you're going to cut-and-paste a bunch of baloney from Newsmax.com you should give them credit. Or blame.

ok; I'll remember. But it wasn't Newsmax.

Safe-Keeper · 3rd October 2009, 11:57 AM

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There are much safer ways to protect oneself from this flu virus, such as higher doses of vitamin D3, selective immune enhancement using supplements, and a good diet.

But stay away from tomatoes. They have four times the methanol content of aspartame.

shadron · 3rd October 2009, 12:07 PM

Originally Posted by Deranged

One must keep in mind that once the vaccine is injected, there is little you can do to protect yourself—at least by conventional medicine. It will mean a lifetime of crippling illness and early death.

As a sweeping generalization leading to a definitely false conclusion, at least in it's necessity, this just can't be beat.

Quote:

There are much safer ways to protect oneself from this flu virus, such as higher doses of vitamin D3, selective immune enhancement using supplements, and a good diet.

I've got to really doubt you know what you are talking about when you tell me to ignore a tested regime for some other wonder drugs. How, exactly, will these overcome the flu virus, particularly if they are taken orally? How were they tested for that effect? What data do you have?

JJM · 3rd October 2009, 12:12 PM

Originally Posted by Safe-Keeper

But stay away from tomatoes. They have four times the methanol content of aspartame.

I am offended- how can you disparage tomatoes? There are only two things money can't buy: true love and home-grown tomatoes!

On topic- the flu can kill people. Even if you are not in an at-risk population, you owe it to your neighbors (who may be) to get the vaccine.

r-j · 3rd October 2009, 12:13 PM

Originally Posted by Safe-Keeper

But stay away from tomatoes. They have four times the methanol content of aspartame.

Hotdogs have four times as much squalene as a vaccine!!

Stout · 3rd October 2009, 12:14 PM

Originally Posted by Mick Houlahan

Deranged, if you're going to cut-and-paste a bunch of baloney from Newsmax.com you should give them credit. Or blame.

I've found that article all over the internet, including Prison planet and Rensedotcom.

It was written by a Dr. Russell Blaylock. Website here

It sounds impressive, but technically, it's way over my head

JJM · 3rd October 2009, 12:19 PM

Originally Posted by Deranged

Squalene ...

Is produced in your body all the time. Don't you need to study a topic before you pontificate on it? I guess not.

r-j · 3rd October 2009, 12:27 PM

The human body produces formic acid and formaldehyde as well. And both are completely safe to inject into your muscles!!

(I think I am getting the hang of this scientifical talk!)

r-j · 3rd October 2009, 12:28 PM

Originally Posted by JJM

Don't you need to study a topic before you pontificate on it?

That made me laugh! Thanks.

I thought this was a serious thread at first. About hot dogs.

Safe-Keeper · 3rd October 2009, 12:29 PM

Funny that the fear-mongers should object to squalene. Wikipedia says it's an organic compound.

ETA: Found this on Wikipedia:

Originally Posted by Wiki article on Squalene, paragraph "Health controversy"

There have been attempts to link Squalene to Gulf War Syndrome. One study found that deployed Persian Gulf War Syndrome patients are significantly more likely to have antibodies to squalene (95 percent) than asymptomatic Gulf War veterans (0 percent; p<.001),[8] , however the study is concluded with the following statement: "It is important to note that our laboratory-based investigations do not establish that squalene was added as adjuvant to any vaccine used in military or other personnel who served in the Persian Gulf War era." A later study discovered that all humans have squalene antibodies in their blood, regardless of whether or not they received squalene from a vaccination.[9]
The World Health Organization and the Department of Defense have both published extensive reports, which clearly state that Squalene did not exist in any vaccines (Anthrax or otherwise) given to soldiers during the Gulf War, and specify that Squalene is a naturally occurring chemical that is present even in oils of our fingerprints. WHO goes further to explain that squalene has been present in over 22 million flu vaccines given to patients in Europe since 1997 and there have never been any reported adverse reactions. Both WHO and the US DoD conclude that Squalene is completely safe.[6][9]

ETA2:

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Hotdogs have four times as much squalene as a vaccine!!

My post wasn't a joke. ETA3: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/ar...990167,00.html. One of several sources.

r-j · 3rd October 2009, 12:40 PM

Originally Posted by Safe-Keeper

But stay away from tomatoes.

You weren't joking?

HeyLeroy · 3rd October 2009, 12:44 PM

Originally Posted by Deranged

Squalene... using supplements, and a good diet.

Plagiarism reported.

http://www.rense.com/general87/blay2.htm

Skeptic Ginger · 3rd October 2009, 12:45 PM

Originally Posted by Deranged

http://voices.injuryboard.com/miscel...oogleid=271748

Read side effects underneath the video and good luck with that Swine Fu shot. I'll pass.

Good, all the more vaccine for the people intelligent enough to consider the risks of the disease as well as the risks of the vaccine when deciding whether to be vaccinated against something.

Safe-Keeper · 3rd October 2009, 12:48 PM

Quote:

You weren't joking?

No. Tomato juice does contain four times the methanol of a can of diet coke with aspartame as a sweetener.

Quote:

Good, all the more vaccine for the people intelligent enough to consider the risks of the disease as well as the risks of the vaccine when deciding whether to be vaccinated against something.

Also less bitching from the fear-mongers, who will all be sick with swine flu? Yay!

Eos of the Eons · 3rd October 2009, 01:57 PM

http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4127

Quote:

When you hear claims that are supported only by a fringe minority that's in opposition to the scientific consensus, you have good reason to be skeptical right off the bat, but it doesn't mean it's not worth looking into. Aspartame has been looked into ad nauseum even after its approval, and found safe at every try; so at some point you have to depart from rationality to continue supporting the claims made against it. Enjoy your diet Dr. Pepper, it's not going to hurt you; if it was, I'd have been dead decades ago.

That first sentence also goes for vaccines. Then, once yous see what is actually in vaccines and how they work, you can realize that taking fringe minority crappola seriously is not a smart idea.

Hydrogen Cyanide · 3rd October 2009, 02:02 PM

Originally Posted by Stout

I've found that article all over the internet, including Prison planet and Rensedotcom.

It was written by a Dr. Russell Blaylock. Website here

It sounds impressive, but technically, it's way over my head

Blaylock is a crackpot. He used to claim he was on the faculty of the medical school at the University of Mississippi. Then some of us did some research and found out that not only was he not associated with Ole Miss, but he did not even have the name of the school right. Someone contacted the university, and the affiliation was dropped from his website. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Russell_Blaylock (that is not me, as I said there were a few of us).

He may have been a real doctor a long time ago before he retired, but he was never a toxiologist nor virologist nor any type of specialist that would qualify him to write the stuff he does. He does, however, sell supplements.

Safe-Keeper · 3rd October 2009, 02:18 PM

Quote:

http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4127

:thumbs up:

NobbyNobbs · 3rd October 2009, 02:19 PM

[quote=Deranged]

Quote:

Squalene in vaccines has been strongly linked to the Gulf War Syndrome. On August 1991, Anthony Principi, Secretary of Veterans Affairs admitted that soldiers vaccinated with the anthrax vaccine from 1990 to 1991 had an increased risk of 200 percent in developing the deadly disease amyotrophic lateral sclerosis (ALS), also called Lou Gehrig’s disease. The soldiers also suffered from a number of debilitating and life-shortening diseases, such as polyarteritis nodosa, multiple sclerosis (MS), lupus, transverse myelitis (a neurological disorder caused by inflammation of the spinal cord), endocarditis (inflammation of the heart’s inner lining), optic neuritis with blindness and glomerulonephritis (a type of kidney disease).

Because squalene, the main ingredient in MF-59, can induce hyperimmune responses and induce autoimmunity, a real danger exists for prolonged activation of the brain’s immune cells, the microglia. This type of prolonged activation has been strongly associated with such diseases as multiple sclerosis, Alzheimer’s disease, Parkinson’s disease, ALS and possibly vaccine-related encephalitis. It has been shown that activation of the systemic immune system, as occurs with vaccination, rapidly activates the brain’s microglia at the same time, and this brain inflammation can persist for long periods.

I can't speak for the rest, but I happen to know that concerning ALS servicemen in general, as well as policemen and firemen, are twice as likely to have the disease whether they've had squalene or not.

r-j · 3rd October 2009, 02:53 PM

Originally Posted by Safe-Keeper

No. Tomato juice does contain four times the methanol of a can of diet coke with aspartame as a sweetener.

You are wrong about that. A can of diet coke contains 0% methanol. Tomato juice may have a tiny amount, but diet coke has none at all.

shawmutt · 3rd October 2009, 02:55 PM

Originally Posted by Safe-Keeper

Also less bitching from the fear-mongers, who will all be sick with swine flu? Yay!

Unfortunately, as we all know, vaccines are not 100% effective. There will always responsible folks getting sick from the actions (or inaction) of gullible sheep.

paximperium · 3rd October 2009, 03:31 PM

Originally Posted by Hydrogen Cyanide

Blaylock is a crackpot. He used to claim he was on the faculty of the medical school at the University of Mississippi. Then some of us did some research and found out that not only was he not associated with Ole Miss, but he did not even have the name of the school right. Someone contacted the university, and the affiliation was dropped from his website. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Russell_Blaylock (that is not me, as I said there were a few of us).

He may have been a real doctor a long time ago before he retired, but he was never a toxiologist nor virologist nor any type of specialist that would qualify him to write the stuff he does. He does, however, sell supplements.

Going through his bio on his website, his "peer reviewed" publications are pay to play money making journals. He does not look published at all. He seems to write books before publishing any papers on his research as well.
His credentials are not very impressive.

Deranged · 3rd October 2009, 03:32 PM

Originally Posted by Hydrogen Cyanide

Blaylock is a crackpot. He used to claim he was on the faculty of the medical school at the University of Mississippi. Then some of us did some research and found out that not only was he not associated with Ole Miss, but he did not even have the name of the school right. Someone contacted the university, and the affiliation was dropped from his website. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Russell_Blaylock (that is not me, as I said there were a few of us).

He may have been a real doctor a long time ago before he retired, but he was never a toxiologist nor virologist nor any type of specialist that would qualify him to write the stuff he does. He does, however, sell supplements.

Another "Quack" like Dr Blaylock , neurosurgeon, on D3 for swine flu and the immune system:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8tK0n18Als

Yep; you can just Tell he's a quack too.....

paximperium · 3rd October 2009, 03:39 PM

Originally Posted by Deranged

Another "Quack" like Dr Blaylock , neurosurgeon, on D3 for swine flu and the immune system:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8tK0n18Als

Yep; you can just Tell he's a quack too.....

Yes, he is a quack. With his first claim "People who take vitamin D, never get sick..." which is not supported with anything but because his say so.

Do you have ACTUAL evidence besides the noise coming from quacks? You know, actual data and published evidence and studies?
Would you like me to throw the entire CDC and NIH's credentials against you micro-list of quacks?

Estellea · 3rd October 2009, 03:42 PM

That's Dr. Donald C. Miller, a cardiac surgeon at the University of Washington Health Centre. He used to be sane but for several years now has been catering to the anti-vax whacko brigade with submissions to vanity presses and he's a whale.to fave. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck...

paximperium · 3rd October 2009, 03:44 PM

Originally Posted by Estellea

That's Dr. Donald C. Miller, a cardiac surgeon at the University of Washington Health Centre. He used to be sane but for several years now has been catering to the anti-vax whacko brigade with submissions to vanity presses and he's a whale.to fave. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck...

Good to know. Know the name, haven't seem his face before.

portlandatheist · 3rd October 2009, 03:54 PM

Here is more quacking from Dr. Donald C. Miller
Questioning HIV/AIDS, Human-Caused Global Warming, and Other Orthodoxies in the Biomedical Sciences

Hydrogen Cyanide · 3rd October 2009, 04:01 PM

Here is a nice compilation of cranks and quacks:
http://www.medicalveritas.com/expertauthors.html

You will also notice that Blaylock has written for that "journal", http://www.medicalveritas.com/vol5issue1.php

There must be some kind of medical reason for these guys who used to be competent doctors to go turn into cranks. Something that is much more subtle than what happened to Rebecca Carley.

Dorian Gray · 3rd October 2009, 04:10 PM

Originally Posted by Mick Houlahan

Deranged, if you're going to cut-and-paste a bunch of baloney from Newsmax.com you should give them credit. Or blame.

You know how to wash your hair? Lather, rinse, repeat. You know how to wash your brain? Newsmax, Rense, repeat.

3rd October 2009, 09:00 AM	#1
Deranged Scholar Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 81	Swine Flu Shot Not Like Eating a Hot Dog http://voices.injuryboard.com/miscel...oogleid=271748 Read side effects underneath the video and good luck with that Swine Fu shot. I'll pass.
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3rd October 2009, 09:23 AM	#3
Dymanic Master Poster Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 2,770	I hope you paid particular attention to this: Quote: Squalene is not licensed for use in the United States.
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3rd October 2009, 09:28 AM	#4
TheAnachronism Thinker Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: USA Posts: 249	Originally Posted by Deranged http://voices.injuryboard.com/miscel...oogleid=271748 Read side effects underneath the video and good luck with that Swine Fu shot. I'll pass. I read the Swine Flu insert a week ago after someone on my Facebook was posting a bunch of ridiculous claims about it. If I remember correctly, all data presented was not specifically from studies with the swine flu vaccine, but from studies done with other season flu vaccines since 1998 (or something like that). So, if it hasn't been particularly problematic in the past 10 years, I don't see the point in freaking out about it now, Also, Guillian-Barre Syndrome was not shown to be caused by the swine flu vaccine (because, as I said, they didn't specifically study it). Rather, it mentioned that people seemed to have an increased risk of Guillian-Barre during the 1974 flu vaccines, but subsequent tests have shown no connection.
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3rd October 2009, 09:48 AM	#6
Myriad Hyperthetical Moderator Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 3,770	There are several child deaths (and many more injuries and close calls requiring hospital treatment) in the U.S. each year from choking on hot dogs. Also, many people develop serious illnesses including leukemia, seizures, brain inflammation, multiple sclerosis, rheumatoid arthritis, strokes, lupus, heart attacks, and miscarriages after having eaten hot dogs. And yet, Federal health officials (those fiends) have warned us that these will be regarded as coincidences and not related in any way to eating a hot dog. Not only that, but there are plans to dispense hot dogs to drive-through consumers, despite the obvious risk of choking on a hot dog while driving. So, contra the thread title, according to the linked video, a Swine Flu shot is very much like eating a hot dog. Oh, except eating the hot dog won't protect you from a contagious disease that kills hundreds of thousands of people a year. (Unless you choke to death on it; people who choke to death on hot dogs seem to be immune to the effects of flu.) Respectfully, Myriad
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3rd October 2009, 10:03 AM	#7
TheAnachronism Thinker Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: USA Posts: 249	Originally Posted by shawmutt /offtopic Holy carp TheAnachronism that is the coolest avatar ever! /offtopic Thanks!
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3rd October 2009, 09:10 AM	#2
shawmutt Squirrel Murderer Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Greencastle, PA Posts: 1,209	Nice Gish Gallop. From your link: Quote: The Swine Flu Vaccine Package Insert admits that it causes Guillian-Barre Syndrome, Vasculitis, Paralysis, Anaphylactic Shock and Death. This is taken from a report that I just received. All medications are required by the FDA to list all possible side effects, regardless of the frequency. What is the reported frequency and severity of said side effects versus the benefits of avoiding novel H1N1?

3rd October 2009, 09:34 AM	#5
shawmutt Squirrel Murderer Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Greencastle, PA Posts: 1,209	/offtopic Holy carp TheAnachronism that is the coolest avatar ever!

3rd October 2009, 10:34 AM	#8
r-j Thinker Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Alexandria Posts: 128	Eating a hot dog will protect you from starvation!

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Mick Houlahan Scholar Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Chicago 'burbs Posts: 112	Deranged, if you're going to cut-and-paste a bunch of baloney from Newsmax.com you should give them credit. Or blame.

3rd October 2009, 11:55 AM	#13
Deranged Scholar Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 81	Originally Posted by Mick Houlahan Deranged, if you're going to cut-and-paste a bunch of baloney from Newsmax.com you should give them credit. Or blame. ok; I'll remember. But it wasn't Newsmax.
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3rd October 2009, 11:57 AM	#14
Safe-Keeper Illuminator Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Bergen, Norway Posts: 4,372	Quote: There are much safer ways to protect oneself from this flu virus, such as higher doses of vitamin D3, selective immune enhancement using supplements, and a good diet. But stay away from tomatoes. They have four times the methanol content of aspartame.
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shadron Illuminator Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Colorado Posts: 3,856	Originally Posted by Deranged One must keep in mind that once the vaccine is injected, there is little you can do to protect yourself—at least by conventional medicine. It will mean a lifetime of crippling illness and early death. As a sweeping generalization leading to a definitely false conclusion, at least in it's necessity, this just can't be beat. Quote: There are much safer ways to protect oneself from this flu virus, such as higher doses of vitamin D3, selective immune enhancement using supplements, and a good diet. I've got to really doubt you know what you are talking about when you tell me to ignore a tested regime for some other wonder drugs. How, exactly, will these overcome the flu virus, particularly if they are taken orally? How were they tested for that effect? What data do you have?

3rd October 2009, 12:12 PM	#16
JJM Graduate Poster Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 1,720	Originally Posted by Safe-Keeper But stay away from tomatoes. They have four times the methanol content of aspartame. I am offended- how can you disparage tomatoes? There are only two things money can't buy: true love and home-grown tomatoes! On topic- the flu can kill people. Even if you are not in an at-risk population, you owe it to your neighbors (who may be) to get the vaccine.
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3rd October 2009, 12:13 PM	#17
r-j Thinker Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Alexandria Posts: 128	Originally Posted by Safe-Keeper But stay away from tomatoes. They have four times the methanol content of aspartame. Hotdogs have four times as much squalene as a vaccine!!

3rd October 2009, 12:14 PM	#18
Stout Muse Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Canada Posts: 751	Originally Posted by Mick Houlahan Deranged, if you're going to cut-and-paste a bunch of baloney from Newsmax.com you should give them credit. Or blame. I've found that article all over the internet, including Prison planet and Rensedotcom. It was written by a Dr. Russell Blaylock. Website here It sounds impressive, but technically, it's way over my head

3rd October 2009, 12:19 PM	#19
JJM Graduate Poster Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 1,720	Originally Posted by Deranged Squalene ... Is produced in your body all the time. Don't you need to study a topic before you pontificate on it? I guess not.
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3rd October 2009, 12:27 PM	#20
r-j Thinker Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Alexandria Posts: 128	The human body produces formic acid and formaldehyde as well. And both are completely safe to inject into your muscles!! (I think I am getting the hang of this scientifical talk!)

3rd October 2009, 12:28 PM	#21
r-j Thinker Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Alexandria Posts: 128	Originally Posted by JJM Don't you need to study a topic before you pontificate on it? That made me laugh! Thanks. I thought this was a serious thread at first. About hot dogs.

3rd October 2009, 12:29 PM	#22
Safe-Keeper Illuminator Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Bergen, Norway Posts: 4,372	Funny that the fear-mongers should object to squalene. Wikipedia says it's an organic compound. ETA: Found this on Wikipedia: Originally Posted by Wiki article on Squalene, paragraph "Health controversy" There have been attempts to link Squalene to Gulf War Syndrome. One study found that deployed Persian Gulf War Syndrome patients are significantly more likely to have antibodies to squalene (95 percent) than asymptomatic Gulf War veterans (0 percent; p<.001),[8] , however the study is concluded with the following statement: "It is important to note that our laboratory-based investigations do not establish that squalene was added as adjuvant to any vaccine used in military or other personnel who served in the Persian Gulf War era." A later study discovered that all humans have squalene antibodies in their blood, regardless of whether or not they received squalene from a vaccination.[9] The World Health Organization and the Department of Defense have both published extensive reports, which clearly state that Squalene did not exist in any vaccines (Anthrax or otherwise) given to soldiers during the Gulf War, and specify that Squalene is a naturally occurring chemical that is present even in oils of our fingerprints. WHO goes further to explain that squalene has been present in over 22 million flu vaccines given to patients in Europe since 1997 and there have never been any reported adverse reactions. Both WHO and the US DoD conclude that Squalene is completely safe.[6][9] ETA2: Quote: Hotdogs have four times as much squalene as a vaccine!! My post wasn't a joke. ETA3: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/ar...990167,00.html. One of several sources.
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r-j Thinker Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Alexandria Posts: 128	Originally Posted by Safe-Keeper But stay away from tomatoes. You weren't joking?

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HeyLeroy Vegan Cannibal Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Going off the rails on the Crazy Train. Posts: 5,434	Originally Posted by Deranged Squalene... using supplements, and a good diet. Plagiarism reported. http://www.rense.com/general87/blay2.htm
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3rd October 2009, 12:45 PM	#25
Skeptic Ginger formerly skeptigirl Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: headed back to that dark dark house in the dark dark woods Posts: 19,317	Originally Posted by Deranged http://voices.injuryboard.com/miscel...oogleid=271748 Read side effects underneath the video and good luck with that Swine Fu shot. I'll pass. Good, all the more vaccine for the people intelligent enough to consider the risks of the disease as well as the risks of the vaccine when deciding whether to be vaccinated against something.
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3rd October 2009, 12:48 PM	#26
Safe-Keeper Illuminator Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Bergen, Norway Posts: 4,372	Quote: You weren't joking? No. Tomato juice does contain four times the methanol of a can of diet coke with aspartame as a sweetener. Quote: Good, all the more vaccine for the people intelligent enough to consider the risks of the disease as well as the risks of the vaccine when deciding whether to be vaccinated against something. Also less bitching from the fear-mongers, who will all be sick with swine flu? Yay!
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3rd October 2009, 01:57 PM	#27
Eos of the Eons Mad Scientist Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Alberta Posts: 13,253	http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4127 Quote: When you hear claims that are supported only by a fringe minority that's in opposition to the scientific consensus, you have good reason to be skeptical right off the bat, but it doesn't mean it's not worth looking into. Aspartame has been looked into ad nauseum even after its approval, and found safe at every try; so at some point you have to depart from rationality to continue supporting the claims made against it. Enjoy your diet Dr. Pepper, it's not going to hurt you; if it was, I'd have been dead decades ago. That first sentence also goes for vaccines. Then, once yous see what is actually in vaccines and how they work, you can realize that taking fringe minority crappola seriously is not a smart idea.
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3rd October 2009, 02:02 PM	#28
Hydrogen Cyanide Perfectly Poisonous Person Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Wacky Washington Way Out West Posts: 3,752	Originally Posted by Stout I've found that article all over the internet, including Prison planet and Rensedotcom. It was written by a Dr. Russell Blaylock. Website here It sounds impressive, but technically, it's way over my head Blaylock is a crackpot. He used to claim he was on the faculty of the medical school at the University of Mississippi. Then some of us did some research and found out that not only was he not associated with Ole Miss, but he did not even have the name of the school right. Someone contacted the university, and the affiliation was dropped from his website. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Russell_Blaylock (that is not me, as I said there were a few of us). He may have been a real doctor a long time ago before he retired, but he was never a toxiologist nor virologist nor any type of specialist that would qualify him to write the stuff he does. He does, however, sell supplements.
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3rd October 2009, 02:18 PM	#29
Safe-Keeper Illuminator Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Bergen, Norway Posts: 4,372	Quote: http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4127 :thumbs up:
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3rd October 2009, 02:19 PM	#30
NobbyNobbs Illuminator Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: The Mended Drum Posts: 4,976	[quote=Deranged] Quote: Squalene in vaccines has been strongly linked to the Gulf War Syndrome. On August 1991, Anthony Principi, Secretary of Veterans Affairs admitted that soldiers vaccinated with the anthrax vaccine from 1990 to 1991 had an increased risk of 200 percent in developing the deadly disease amyotrophic lateral sclerosis (ALS), also called Lou Gehrig’s disease. The soldiers also suffered from a number of debilitating and life-shortening diseases, such as polyarteritis nodosa, multiple sclerosis (MS), lupus, transverse myelitis (a neurological disorder caused by inflammation of the spinal cord), endocarditis (inflammation of the heart’s inner lining), optic neuritis with blindness and glomerulonephritis (a type of kidney disease). Because squalene, the main ingredient in MF-59, can induce hyperimmune responses and induce autoimmunity, a real danger exists for prolonged activation of the brain’s immune cells, the microglia. This type of prolonged activation has been strongly associated with such diseases as multiple sclerosis, Alzheimer’s disease, Parkinson’s disease, ALS and possibly vaccine-related encephalitis. It has been shown that activation of the systemic immune system, as occurs with vaccination, rapidly activates the brain’s microglia at the same time, and this brain inflammation can persist for long periods. I can't speak for the rest, but I happen to know that concerning ALS servicemen in general, as well as policemen and firemen, are twice as likely to have the disease whether they've had squalene or not.
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3rd October 2009, 02:53 PM	#31
r-j Thinker Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Alexandria Posts: 128	Originally Posted by Safe-Keeper No. Tomato juice does contain four times the methanol of a can of diet coke with aspartame as a sweetener. You are wrong about that. A can of diet coke contains 0% methanol. Tomato juice may have a tiny amount, but diet coke has none at all.

3rd October 2009, 02:55 PM	#32
shawmutt Squirrel Murderer Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Greencastle, PA Posts: 1,209	Originally Posted by Safe-Keeper Also less bitching from the fear-mongers, who will all be sick with swine flu? Yay! Unfortunately, as we all know, vaccines are not 100% effective. There will always responsible folks getting sick from the actions (or inaction) of gullible sheep.

3rd October 2009, 03:31 PM	#33
paximperium Philosopher Join Date: May 2008 Location: Silicon Valley-Stuck between Google and Apple Posts: 7,800	Originally Posted by Hydrogen Cyanide Blaylock is a crackpot. He used to claim he was on the faculty of the medical school at the University of Mississippi. Then some of us did some research and found out that not only was he not associated with Ole Miss, but he did not even have the name of the school right. Someone contacted the university, and the affiliation was dropped from his website. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Russell_Blaylock (that is not me, as I said there were a few of us). He may have been a real doctor a long time ago before he retired, but he was never a toxiologist nor virologist nor any type of specialist that would qualify him to write the stuff he does. He does, however, sell supplements. Going through his bio on his website, his "peer reviewed" publications are pay to play money making journals. He does not look published at all. He seems to write books before publishing any papers on his research as well. His credentials are not very impressive.
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3rd October 2009, 03:32 PM	#34
Deranged Scholar Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 81	Originally Posted by Hydrogen Cyanide Blaylock is a crackpot. He used to claim he was on the faculty of the medical school at the University of Mississippi. Then some of us did some research and found out that not only was he not associated with Ole Miss, but he did not even have the name of the school right. Someone contacted the university, and the affiliation was dropped from his website. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Russell_Blaylock (that is not me, as I said there were a few of us). He may have been a real doctor a long time ago before he retired, but he was never a toxiologist nor virologist nor any type of specialist that would qualify him to write the stuff he does. He does, however, sell supplements. Another "Quack" like Dr Blaylock , neurosurgeon, on D3 for swine flu and the immune system: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8tK0n18Als Yep; you can just Tell he's a quack too.....
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3rd October 2009, 03:39 PM	#35
paximperium Philosopher Join Date: May 2008 Location: Silicon Valley-Stuck between Google and Apple Posts: 7,800	Originally Posted by Deranged Another "Quack" like Dr Blaylock , neurosurgeon, on D3 for swine flu and the immune system: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8tK0n18Als Yep; you can just Tell he's a quack too..... Yes, he is a quack. With his first claim "People who take vitamin D, never get sick..." which is not supported with anything but because his say so. Do you have ACTUAL evidence besides the noise coming from quacks? You know, actual data and published evidence and studies? Would you like me to throw the entire CDC and NIH's credentials against you micro-list of quacks?
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3rd October 2009, 03:42 PM	#36
Estellea Thinker Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 193	That's Dr. Donald C. Miller, a cardiac surgeon at the University of Washington Health Centre. He used to be sane but for several years now has been catering to the anti-vax whacko brigade with submissions to vanity presses and he's a whale.to fave. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck...
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