[Moderated] Obama birth certificate CT / SSN CT / Birther discussion - Page 2

Dr Adequate · 6th October 2009, 11:56 PM

Originally Posted by boyntonstu

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EinxdXg_-k

OBAMA Birth Certificate Trial Update of Oct 5

Birthers nuts?

I don't think so.

Gullibility like yours should not be wasted.

I bet you $10,000 that the Birthers will lose this case --- because they are, of course, nuts.

Do you agree to this wager?

UnrepentantSinner · 7th October 2009, 12:20 AM

Originally Posted by boyntonstu

Do you know the difference between a "Certificate of Live Birth" and a "Birth Certificate"?

Yes. NOTHING!

I have a copy of my birth certificate from the state of Illinios and at the top it says, "Certificate of Live Birth". The difference is a myth made up by birthers. In fact on a Freerepublic thread discussing the issue a guy posted his kids "birth certificate" to show how it was different than a "certificate of life birth"... except right at the top it said "certificate of live birth".

dtugg · 7th October 2009, 12:26 AM

A certified copy of my birth certificate issued a month after I was born says, "Certificate of Live Birth."

Birthers are stupid and crazy.

Hokulele · 7th October 2009, 12:34 AM

I suppose someone working for the Obama administration developed a time machine and went back to change the birth announcements in the 13 August, 1961 edition of the Honolulu Advertiser.

boyntonstu · 7th October 2009, 05:37 AM

Originally Posted by Hokulele

I suppose someone working for the Obama administration developed a time machine and went back to change the birth announcements in the 13 August, 1961 edition of the Honolulu Advertiser.

If I placed your birth announcement in the newspaper today, could you claim that you are younger?

Count the ways to get Hawaii 'birth certificate'
WorldNetDaily ^ | July 29, 2009 | Bob Unruh

Posted on Wednesday, July 29, 2009 11:23:47 PM by RobinMasters

An analysis of Hawaii's birth recording requirements around the time of Barack Obama's 1961 birth reveals several ways to generate a "Certificate of Birth," including some that require no documentation other than the assertion of a adult.

The word comes in a report by an investigator commissioned by a retired CIA officer. The report was posted online by the Western Center for Journalism, which withheld the officer's name.

"In the State of Hawaii, back in 1961, there were four different ways to get an 'original birth certificate' on record," the investigator says, including a report to the Department of Health from an attending physician or midwife.

But if the certificate was obtained through any of the other three options, "Obama would have a very good reason not to release the vault birth certificate," the investigator said.

"If the original certificate were the standard … type of birth certificate (documented by a physician or midwife), he would have allowed its release and brought the controversy to a quick end," the report said. The investigator said if the birth certificate was obtained by one of the other methods, then it contributes to the overall questions raised about Obama's eligibility.

(Excerpt) Read more at wnd.com ...

leftysergeant · 7th October 2009, 05:45 AM

Let me see your birth certificate within the next 24 hours(you can block out the names) or we will all assume that you are not actually a human being.

Do you get what this is supposed to prove?

Thunder · 7th October 2009, 05:49 AM

Originally Posted by dtugg

A certified copy of my birth certificate issued a month after I was born says, "Certificate of Live Birth."

Birthers are stupid and crazy.

well then, you must have been born in Kenya.

could you show us a copy with the private info blanked out?

twinstead · 7th October 2009, 05:57 AM

Originally Posted by boyntonstu

If I placed your birth announcement in the newspaper today, could you claim that you are younger?

Count the ways to get Hawaii 'birth certificate'
WorldNetDaily ^ | July 29, 2009 | Bob Unruh

Posted on Wednesday, July 29, 2009 11:23:47 PM by RobinMasters

An analysis of Hawaii's birth recording requirements around the time of Barack Obama's 1961 birth reveals several ways to generate a "Certificate of Birth," including some that require no documentation other than the assertion of a adult.

The word comes in a report by an investigator commissioned by a retired CIA officer. The report was posted online by the Western Center for Journalism, which withheld the officer's name.

"In the State of Hawaii, back in 1961, there were four different ways to get an 'original birth certificate' on record," the investigator says, including a report to the Department of Health from an attending physician or midwife.

But if the certificate was obtained through any of the other three options, "Obama would have a very good reason not to release the vault birth certificate," the investigator said.

"If the original certificate were the standard … type of birth certificate (documented by a physician or midwife), he would have allowed its release and brought the controversy to a quick end," the report said. The investigator said if the birth certificate was obtained by one of the other methods, then it contributes to the overall questions raised about Obama's eligibility.

(Excerpt) Read more at wnd.com ...

Does any of this actually answer the question posed? Are you suggesting that the birth announcement is fake?

ANTPogo · 7th October 2009, 05:57 AM

Originally Posted by boyntonstu

If I placed your birth announcement in the newspaper today, could you claim that you are younger?

That's utterly irrelevant, since in 1961, at the time of Obama's birth, the Hawaii newspapers got the information used for birth announcements directly from the hospitals, and not from the family. So, unless the hospitals and/or the newspapers were in on the coverup back in '61, Barack Obama was indeed born in Honolulu.

Quote:

Count the ways to get Hawaii 'birth certificate'
WorldNetDaily ^ | July 29, 2009 | Bob Unruh

Posted on Wednesday, July 29, 2009 11:23:47 PM by RobinMasters

An analysis of Hawaii's birth recording requirements around the time of Barack Obama's 1961 birth reveals several ways to generate a "Certificate of Birth," including some that require no documentation other than the assertion of a adult.

The word comes in a report by an investigator commissioned by a retired CIA officer. The report was posted online by the Western Center for Journalism, which withheld the officer's name.

"In the State of Hawaii, back in 1961, there were four different ways to get an 'original birth certificate' on record," the investigator says, including a report to the Department of Health from an attending physician or midwife.

But if the certificate was obtained through any of the other three options, "Obama would have a very good reason not to release the vault birth certificate," the investigator said.

"If the original certificate were the standard … type of birth certificate (documented by a physician or midwife), he would have allowed its release and brought the controversy to a quick end," the report said. The investigator said if the birth certificate was obtained by one of the other methods, then it contributes to the overall questions raised about Obama's eligibility.

(Excerpt) Read more at wnd.com ...

You haven't actually read any post in this thread, have you?

Dancing David · 7th October 2009, 06:01 AM

Originally Posted by boyntonstu

If I placed your birth announcement in the newspaper today, could you claim that you are younger?

Count the ways to get Hawaii 'birth certificate'
WorldNetDaily ^ | July 29, 2009 | Bob Unruh

Posted on Wednesday, July 29, 2009 11:23:47 PM by RobinMasters

An analysis of Hawaii's birth recording requirements around the time of Barack Obama's 1961 birth reveals several ways to generate a "Certificate of Birth," including some that require no documentation other than the assertion of a adult.

The word comes in a report by an investigator commissioned by a retired CIA officer. The report was posted online by the Western Center for Journalism, which withheld the officer's name.

"In the State of Hawaii, back in 1961, there were four different ways to get an 'original birth certificate' on record," the investigator says, including a report to the Department of Health from an attending physician or midwife.

But if the certificate was obtained through any of the other three options, "Obama would have a very good reason not to release the vault birth certificate," the investigator said.

"If the original certificate were the standard … type of birth certificate (documented by a physician or midwife), he would have allowed its release and brought the controversy to a quick end," the report said. The investigator said if the birth certificate was obtained by one of the other methods, then it contributes to the overall questions raised about Obama's eligibility.

(Excerpt) Read more at wnd.com ...

Again with the World Net Daily!

twinstead · 7th October 2009, 06:02 AM

I still think this should be in the conspiracy subforum

Thunder · 7th October 2009, 06:07 AM

Originally Posted by boyntonstu

If I placed your birth announcement in the newspaper today, could you claim that you are younger?

Count the ways to get Hawaii 'birth certificate'
WorldNetDaily ^ | July 29, 2009 | Bob Unruh .

how about this? PROVE that Obama's short form birth certificate and the birth announcemants are fakes, or let it go.

how's that for a challenge? can ya do it?

Lurker · 7th October 2009, 06:20 AM

Originally Posted by Meadmaker

Can you tell me how I would go about getting my "long form" birth certificate? When I wanted a certified copy of my birth certificate, I wrote to the county of my birth (in Colorado) and asked for one. I can't recall what else I was required to provide. I do know that the form didn't have any options for "long form" or "short form" copies.

Yeah, but the form did have options for "fake" and "real". Clearly Obama checked the "fake" box when requesting his Birth Certificate.

The Central Scrutinizer · 7th October 2009, 06:20 AM

Originally Posted by boyntonstu

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EinxdXg_-k

OBAMA Birth Certificate Trial Update of Oct 5

Birthers nuts?

I don't think so.

Birthers are morons. Period.

Are you a birther?

Ladewig · 7th October 2009, 06:25 AM

Originally Posted by Meadmaker

Typical conspiracy stuff.

Very much so, given that if the birth certificate is fake then there must be large numbers of diverse people willing to keep information secret. We are left to wonder why John McCain didn't want to disqualify his opponent. Why did the Republican National Committee spend 100s of millions of dollars when they simply could have disqualified the democratic candidate at the last minute and forced the runner up (Hillary) to take over when no money or time was left?

timhau · 7th October 2009, 06:26 AM

Originally Posted by brainster

how appropriate is it that the lawyer for the birthers is named kreep?:d

Originally Posted by mattusmaximus

wins thread :d

O rly?

Ladewig · 7th October 2009, 06:41 AM

A link to Snopes is never inappropriate: http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama...ertificate.asp

DDWW · 7th October 2009, 06:53 AM

I would have thought by now some film crew would have gone to Kenya and interviewed villagers who “saw the birth, participated in the birth, heard about the birth,” etc. with accompanying film of “the actual hut”.

Seems like some money could be made there.

DDWW

timhau · 7th October 2009, 06:55 AM

Originally Posted by DDWW

I would have thought by now some film crew would have gone to Kenya and interviewed villagers who “saw the birth, participated in the birth, heard about the birth,” etc. with accompanying film of “the actual hut”.

Seems like some money could be made there.

Yes, but not a million dollars which, as we just learned, is what Obama has spent to keep his true birthplace a secret.

twinstead · 7th October 2009, 06:58 AM

How the hell can ANY rational person ignore the evidence that Obama was born in Hawaii in 1961?

boyntonstu · 7th October 2009, 06:58 AM

Originally Posted by DDWW

I would have thought by now some film crew would have gone to Kenya and interviewed villagers who “saw the birth, participated in the birth, heard about the birth,” etc. with accompanying film of “the actual hut”.

Seems like some money could be made there.

DDWW

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlFc4wCpvSo

and:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pT1PBlud8GQ

twinstead · 7th October 2009, 07:04 AM

Originally Posted by boyntonstu

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlFc4wCpvSo

and:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pT1PBlud8GQ

Do you have ANY comment on the evidence submitted that Obama was born in Hawaii? I mean for example, is the Hawaii registrar of vital statistics, Alvin Onaka, who physically touched the birth certificate lying?

dtugg · 7th October 2009, 07:05 AM

Originally Posted by twinstead

How the hell can ANY rational person ignore the evidence that Obama was born in Hawaii in 1961?

Birthers aren't rational people.

twinstead · 7th October 2009, 07:06 AM

Originally Posted by dtugg

Birthers aren't rational people.

Yes. twinstead, the master of the rhetorical question

timhau · 7th October 2009, 07:20 AM

Originally Posted by twinstead

I mean for example, is the Hawaii registrar of vital statistics, Alvin Onaka, who physically touched the birth certificate lying?

That so-called Hawaii registrar of vital statistics is obviously a fraud. Everyone knows Vitalstatistix is from Gaul!

twinstead · 7th October 2009, 07:30 AM

Originally Posted by timhau

That so-called Hawaii registrar of vital statistics is obviously a fraud. Everyone knows Vitalstatistix is from Gaul!

http://www.asterix.co.nz/characters/...lstatistix.jpg

LOL I stand corrected

boyntonstu · 7th October 2009, 07:51 AM

Originally Posted by ANTPogo

That's utterly irrelevant, since in 1961, at the time of Obama's birth, the Hawaii newspapers got the information used for birth announcements directly from the hospitals, and not from the family. So, unless the hospitals and/or the newspapers were in on the coverup back in '61, Barack Obama was indeed born in Honolulu.

the Hawaii newspapers got the information used for birth announcements directly from the hospitals,

Fact or opinion?

Edited by Locknar:

Please provide reference/cite for all quoted material (in this case ANTPogo).

twinstead · 7th October 2009, 08:01 AM

Alvin Onaka, the Hawaii Registrar of Vital Statistics says Obama was born in Hawaii.

Fact or opinion?

twinstead · 7th October 2009, 08:06 AM

Quote:

We therefore find that Plaintiff’s attempt to use these statutes to gain standing to
pursue his Natural Born Citizen Clause claim are frivolous and not worthy of discussion.

I think a Federal Judge pretty much sums it up.

http://www.paed.uscourts.gov/documen...s/08D1256P.pdf

boyntonstu · 7th October 2009, 08:07 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3f0GYXTcXc

Listen as Philip J. Berg; attorney explains the Obama eligibility case that he is spearheading. Many interesting facts are uncovered and examined.

Berg was a life-long Democrat.

Decide for yourself.

Travis · 7th October 2009, 08:09 AM

This is like a Socratic Dialogue done by a four year old on a sugar high and a blind chimp that knows sign language but has arthritis.

Ohnoes · 7th October 2009, 08:12 AM

Yes because Berg is a solid individual...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_J._Berg

Quote:

Berg was successfully sued for legal malpractice by former clients on whose behalf Berg had neglected to file a response to a complaint in an ERISA lawsuit, resulting in a default judgment being entered against the former clients.

Quote:

In October 2004, Berg filed Rodriguez v. Bush, accusing the President of the United States and 155 other parties of complicity in the 9/11 attacks.

Also, being a Dem doesn't make him any less crazy!

twinstead · 7th October 2009, 08:12 AM

Originally Posted by boyntonstu

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3f0GYXTcXc

Listen as Philip J. Berg; attorney explains the Obama eligibility case that he is spearheading. Many interesting facts are uncovered and examined.

Berg was a life-long Democrat.

Decide for yourself.

The evidence that Obama was born in Hawaii is ENORMOUS. Like the courts have said, it's not even worthy of discussion. You obviously REFUSE to discuss any evidence that contradicts your opinion, and for good reason.

One last chance: Do you think the Hawaii Registrar is lying?

Dancing David · 7th October 2009, 08:16 AM

Originally Posted by twinstead

I still think this should be in the conspiracy subforum

Yay, this is in the CT forum! I must now don a disguise.

Dancing David · 7th October 2009, 08:20 AM

Originally Posted by boyntonstu

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3f0GYXTcXc

Listen as Philip J. Berg; attorney explains the Obama eligibility case that he is spearheading. Many interesting facts are uncovered and examined.

Berg was a life-long Democrat.

Decide for yourself.

Appeal to authority, can't stand facts? Quote someone else who has no facts!
A 'life-long Democrat' is not a shield against stupidity.

Meadmaker · 7th October 2009, 08:27 AM

Originally Posted by boyntonstu

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3f0GYXTcXc

Listen as Philip J. Berg; attorney explains the Obama eligibility case that he is spearheading. Many interesting facts are uncovered and examined.

Berg was a life-long Democrat.

Decide for yourself.

I got as far as "Obama isn't producing these documents"

More typical conspiracy stuff.

The real overwhelming evidence of the conspiracy is that there is NO EVIDENCE!

You see, if we had the documents, that would be evidence! But since we don't have the documents, there's no evidence! The lack of evidence is the evidence!

The state of Hawaii has the evidence, and they say Obama was born there.

The Central Scrutinizer · 7th October 2009, 08:34 AM

Originally Posted by boyntonstu

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3f0GYXTcXc

Listen as Philip J. Berg; attorney explains the Obama eligibility case that he is spearheading. Many interesting facts are uncovered and examined.

Berg was a life-long Democrat.

Decide for yourself.

Berg is a life long moron. Are you?

DDWW · 7th October 2009, 08:37 AM

Originally Posted by boyntonstu

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlFc4wCpvSo

and:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pT1PBlud8GQ

Was really thinking more on the lines of a high production film, sorta like "The NASA moon landing coverups", or "Area 51 exposed!"

DD (I think I was born in the USA)WW

Myron Proudfoot · 7th October 2009, 09:10 AM

So let’s see if I have the birther conspiracy correct. In the Summer of 1961 Obama’s mom, who is only 18, is about to give birth to her first child. She has two choices.

a) Give birth in a Honolulu Hospital, where she knows she will get good care, surrounded by her family and friends, with a doctor she knows, and where she can go home after a few days with a newborn via an easy car ride, knowing that she has family and friends to help her with her baby

b) She can travel to Kenya, probably a several day trip via airplane (while 9 months pregnant!) buying international airplane tickets even though she’s a college student without a lot of money. Once in Kenya she can give birth aided by an unknown doctor, in a hospital she doesn’t know anything about, surrounded by strangers. Once she’s given birth she has to then repeat her trip back halfway across the world, this time with a newborn.

For some reason she chooses Option B. She makes the trip but manages not to leave any trail of documents behind, such as consular records or visas. She also somehow (and for some odd reason) has someone in a hospital in Honolulu fake a birth record so that an announcement will appear in the Honolulu newspapers and so her son’s official records will say he was born in Honolulu. She then swears her family and friends to secrecy, again for no reason that was apparent in 1961.

Gee, and birthers wonder why the rest of us think they’re crazy. (and, I would add, racist. No one ever questioned the nationality of a white candidate before, and no, there are not “legitimate questions” in this case.)

Myron Proudfoot · 7th October 2009, 09:12 AM

Quote:

Berg was a life-long Democrat.

And some lifelong Republicans, including one of Bob Dole's old aides, are 9-11 troothers. They're still nuts...

7th October 2009, 12:20 AM	#42
UnrepentantSinner A post by Alan Smithee Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: USAian is not a word Posts: 26,356	Originally Posted by boyntonstu Do you know the difference between a "Certificate of Live Birth" and a "Birth Certificate"? Yes. NOTHING! I have a copy of my birth certificate from the state of Illinios and at the top it says, "Certificate of Live Birth". The difference is a myth made up by birthers. In fact on a Freerepublic thread discussing the issue a guy posted his kids "birth certificate" to show how it was different than a "certificate of life birth"... except right at the top it said "certificate of live birth".
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7th October 2009, 12:34 AM	#44
Hokulele Official Nemesis Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Trying to decide whether to set defenses against an army, or against mole rats. Posts: 27,268	I suppose someone working for the Obama administration developed a time machine and went back to change the birth announcements in the 13 August, 1961 edition of the Honolulu Advertiser.
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7th October 2009, 05:57 AM	#48
twinstead Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Big corner office in NWO Towers Posts: 11,576	Originally Posted by boyntonstu If I placed your birth announcement in the newspaper today, could you claim that you are younger? Count the ways to get Hawaii 'birth certificate' WorldNetDaily ^ \| July 29, 2009 \| Bob Unruh Posted on Wednesday, July 29, 2009 11:23:47 PM by RobinMasters An analysis of Hawaii's birth recording requirements around the time of Barack Obama's 1961 birth reveals several ways to generate a "Certificate of Birth," including some that require no documentation other than the assertion of a adult. The word comes in a report by an investigator commissioned by a retired CIA officer. The report was posted online by the Western Center for Journalism, which withheld the officer's name. "In the State of Hawaii, back in 1961, there were four different ways to get an 'original birth certificate' on record," the investigator says, including a report to the Department of Health from an attending physician or midwife. But if the certificate was obtained through any of the other three options, "Obama would have a very good reason not to release the vault birth certificate," the investigator said. "If the original certificate were the standard … type of birth certificate (documented by a physician or midwife), he would have allowed its release and brought the controversy to a quick end," the report said. The investigator said if the birth certificate was obtained by one of the other methods, then it contributes to the overall questions raised about Obama's eligibility. (Excerpt) Read more at wnd.com ... Does any of this actually answer the question posed? Are you suggesting that the birth announcement is fake?
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7th October 2009, 06:01 AM	#50
Dancing David Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Central Illinois Posts: 34,716	Originally Posted by boyntonstu If I placed your birth announcement in the newspaper today, could you claim that you are younger? Count the ways to get Hawaii 'birth certificate' WorldNetDaily ^ \| July 29, 2009 \| Bob Unruh Posted on Wednesday, July 29, 2009 11:23:47 PM by RobinMasters An analysis of Hawaii's birth recording requirements around the time of Barack Obama's 1961 birth reveals several ways to generate a "Certificate of Birth," including some that require no documentation other than the assertion of a adult. The word comes in a report by an investigator commissioned by a retired CIA officer. The report was posted online by the Western Center for Journalism, which withheld the officer's name. "In the State of Hawaii, back in 1961, there were four different ways to get an 'original birth certificate' on record," the investigator says, including a report to the Department of Health from an attending physician or midwife. But if the certificate was obtained through any of the other three options, "Obama would have a very good reason not to release the vault birth certificate," the investigator said. "If the original certificate were the standard … type of birth certificate (documented by a physician or midwife), he would have allowed its release and brought the controversy to a quick end," the report said. The investigator said if the birth certificate was obtained by one of the other methods, then it contributes to the overall questions raised about Obama's eligibility. (Excerpt) Read more at wnd.com ... Again with the World Net Daily!
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7th October 2009, 06:02 AM	#51
twinstead Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Big corner office in NWO Towers Posts: 11,576	I still think this should be in the conspiracy subforum
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6th October 2009, 11:56 PM	#41
Dr Adequate Banned Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Waiting Long Enough By The River Posts: 17,897	Originally Posted by boyntonstu http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EinxdXg_-k OBAMA Birth Certificate Trial Update of Oct 5 Birthers nuts? I don't think so. Gullibility like yours should not be wasted. I bet you $10,000 that the Birthers will lose this case --- because they are, of course, nuts. Do you agree to this wager?

7th October 2009, 12:26 AM	#43
dtugg Banned Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: NWO headquarters Posts: 7,898	A certified copy of my birth certificate issued a month after I was born says, "Certificate of Live Birth." Birthers are stupid and crazy.

7th October 2009, 05:37 AM	#45
boyntonstu Banned Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 916	Originally Posted by Hokulele I suppose someone working for the Obama administration developed a time machine and went back to change the birth announcements in the 13 August, 1961 edition of the Honolulu Advertiser. If I placed your birth announcement in the newspaper today, could you claim that you are younger? Count the ways to get Hawaii 'birth certificate' WorldNetDaily ^ \| July 29, 2009 \| Bob Unruh Posted on Wednesday, July 29, 2009 11:23:47 PM by RobinMasters An analysis of Hawaii's birth recording requirements around the time of Barack Obama's 1961 birth reveals several ways to generate a "Certificate of Birth," including some that require no documentation other than the assertion of a adult. The word comes in a report by an investigator commissioned by a retired CIA officer. The report was posted online by the Western Center for Journalism, which withheld the officer's name. "In the State of Hawaii, back in 1961, there were four different ways to get an 'original birth certificate' on record," the investigator says, including a report to the Department of Health from an attending physician or midwife. But if the certificate was obtained through any of the other three options, "Obama would have a very good reason not to release the vault birth certificate," the investigator said. "If the original certificate were the standard … type of birth certificate (documented by a physician or midwife), he would have allowed its release and brought the controversy to a quick end," the report said. The investigator said if the birth certificate was obtained by one of the other methods, then it contributes to the overall questions raised about Obama's eligibility. (Excerpt) Read more at wnd.com ...

7th October 2009, 05:45 AM	#46
leftysergeant Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Spanaway WA Posts: 18,613	Let me see your birth certificate within the next 24 hours(you can block out the names) or we will all assume that you are not actually a human being. Do you get what this is supposed to prove?

7th October 2009, 05:49 AM	#47
Thunder Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Queens Posts: 34,947	Originally Posted by dtugg A certified copy of my birth certificate issued a month after I was born says, "Certificate of Live Birth." Birthers are stupid and crazy. well then, you must have been born in Kenya. could you show us a copy with the private info blanked out?

7th October 2009, 05:57 AM	#49
ANTPogo Unique Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Birmingham, AL Posts: 9,408	Originally Posted by boyntonstu If I placed your birth announcement in the newspaper today, could you claim that you are younger? That's utterly irrelevant, since in 1961, at the time of Obama's birth, the Hawaii newspapers got the information used for birth announcements directly from the hospitals, and not from the family. So, unless the hospitals and/or the newspapers were in on the coverup back in '61, Barack Obama was indeed born in Honolulu. Quote: Count the ways to get Hawaii 'birth certificate' WorldNetDaily ^ \| July 29, 2009 \| Bob Unruh Posted on Wednesday, July 29, 2009 11:23:47 PM by RobinMasters An analysis of Hawaii's birth recording requirements around the time of Barack Obama's 1961 birth reveals several ways to generate a "Certificate of Birth," including some that require no documentation other than the assertion of a adult. The word comes in a report by an investigator commissioned by a retired CIA officer. The report was posted online by the Western Center for Journalism, which withheld the officer's name. "In the State of Hawaii, back in 1961, there were four different ways to get an 'original birth certificate' on record," the investigator says, including a report to the Department of Health from an attending physician or midwife. But if the certificate was obtained through any of the other three options, "Obama would have a very good reason not to release the vault birth certificate," the investigator said. "If the original certificate were the standard … type of birth certificate (documented by a physician or midwife), he would have allowed its release and brought the controversy to a quick end," the report said. The investigator said if the birth certificate was obtained by one of the other methods, then it contributes to the overall questions raised about Obama's eligibility. (Excerpt) Read more at wnd.com ... You haven't actually read any post in this thread, have you?

7th October 2009, 06:07 AM	#52
Thunder Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Queens Posts: 34,947	Originally Posted by boyntonstu If I placed your birth announcement in the newspaper today, could you claim that you are younger? Count the ways to get Hawaii 'birth certificate' WorldNetDaily ^ \| July 29, 2009 \| Bob Unruh . how about this? PROVE that Obama's short form birth certificate and the birth announcemants are fakes, or let it go. how's that for a challenge? can ya do it?

7th October 2009, 06:20 AM	#53
Lurker Illuminator Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 4,187	Originally Posted by Meadmaker Can you tell me how I would go about getting my "long form" birth certificate? When I wanted a certified copy of my birth certificate, I wrote to the county of my birth (in Colorado) and asked for one. I can't recall what else I was required to provide. I do know that the form didn't have any options for "long form" or "short form" copies. Yeah, but the form did have options for "fake" and "real". Clearly Obama checked the "fake" box when requesting his Birth Certificate.
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7th October 2009, 06:20 AM	#54
The Central Scrutinizer Penultimate Amazing Pither Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: The White Zone Posts: 42,277	Originally Posted by boyntonstu http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EinxdXg_-k OBAMA Birth Certificate Trial Update of Oct 5 Birthers nuts? I don't think so. Birthers are morons. Period. Are you a birther?
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7th October 2009, 06:25 AM	#55
Ladewig Hipster alien Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: not measurable Posts: 16,814	Originally Posted by Meadmaker Typical conspiracy stuff. Very much so, given that if the birth certificate is fake then there must be large numbers of diverse people willing to keep information secret. We are left to wonder why John McCain didn't want to disqualify his opponent. Why did the Republican National Committee spend 100s of millions of dollars when they simply could have disqualified the democratic candidate at the last minute and forced the runner up (Hillary) to take over when no money or time was left?
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7th October 2009, 06:26 AM	#56
timhau NWO Litter Technician Join Date: May 2004 Location: East of Sweeden Posts: 9,673	Originally Posted by brainster how appropriate is it that the lawyer for the birthers is named kreep?:d Originally Posted by mattusmaximus wins thread :d O rly?
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7th October 2009, 06:41 AM	#57
Ladewig Hipster alien Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: not measurable Posts: 16,814	A link to Snopes is never inappropriate: http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama...ertificate.asp
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7th October 2009, 06:53 AM	#58
DDWW Critical Thinker Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 472	I would have thought by now some film crew would have gone to Kenya and interviewed villagers who “saw the birth, participated in the birth, heard about the birth,” etc. with accompanying film of “the actual hut”. Seems like some money could be made there. DDWW
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7th October 2009, 06:55 AM	#59
timhau NWO Litter Technician Join Date: May 2004 Location: East of Sweeden Posts: 9,673	Originally Posted by DDWW I would have thought by now some film crew would have gone to Kenya and interviewed villagers who “saw the birth, participated in the birth, heard about the birth,” etc. with accompanying film of “the actual hut”. Seems like some money could be made there. Yes, but not a million dollars which, as we just learned, is what Obama has spent to keep his true birthplace a secret.
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7th October 2009, 06:58 AM	#60
twinstead Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Big corner office in NWO Towers Posts: 11,576	How the hell can ANY rational person ignore the evidence that Obama was born in Hawaii in 1961?
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7th October 2009, 07:04 AM	#62
twinstead Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Big corner office in NWO Towers Posts: 11,576	Originally Posted by boyntonstu http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlFc4wCpvSo and: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pT1PBlud8GQ Do you have ANY comment on the evidence submitted that Obama was born in Hawaii? I mean for example, is the Hawaii registrar of vital statistics, Alvin Onaka, who physically touched the birth certificate lying?
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7th October 2009, 07:05 AM	#63
dtugg Banned Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: NWO headquarters Posts: 7,898	Originally Posted by twinstead How the hell can ANY rational person ignore the evidence that Obama was born in Hawaii in 1961? Birthers aren't rational people.

7th October 2009, 07:06 AM	#64
twinstead Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Big corner office in NWO Towers Posts: 11,576	Originally Posted by dtugg Birthers aren't rational people. Yes. twinstead, the master of the rhetorical question
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7th October 2009, 07:20 AM	#65
timhau NWO Litter Technician Join Date: May 2004 Location: East of Sweeden Posts: 9,673	Originally Posted by twinstead I mean for example, is the Hawaii registrar of vital statistics, Alvin Onaka, who physically touched the birth certificate lying? That so-called Hawaii registrar of vital statistics is obviously a fraud. Everyone knows Vitalstatistix is from Gaul!
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7th October 2009, 07:30 AM	#66
twinstead Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Big corner office in NWO Towers Posts: 11,576	Originally Posted by timhau That so-called Hawaii registrar of vital statistics is obviously a fraud. Everyone knows Vitalstatistix is from Gaul! http://www.asterix.co.nz/characters/...lstatistix.jpg LOL I stand corrected
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7th October 2009, 08:01 AM	#68
twinstead Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Big corner office in NWO Towers Posts: 11,576	Alvin Onaka, the Hawaii Registrar of Vital Statistics says Obama was born in Hawaii. Fact or opinion?
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7th October 2009, 08:06 AM	#69
twinstead Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Big corner office in NWO Towers Posts: 11,576	Quote: We therefore find that Plaintiff’s attempt to use these statutes to gain standing to pursue his Natural Born Citizen Clause claim are frivolous and not worthy of discussion. I think a Federal Judge pretty much sums it up. http://www.paed.uscourts.gov/documen...s/08D1256P.pdf
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7th October 2009, 08:07 AM	#70
boyntonstu Banned Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 916	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3f0GYXTcXc Listen as Philip J. Berg; attorney explains the Obama eligibility case that he is spearheading. Many interesting facts are uncovered and examined. Berg was a life-long Democrat. Decide for yourself.

7th October 2009, 08:09 AM	#71
Travis Misanthrope of the Mountains Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Tuolumne City, CA Posts: 17,943	This is like a Socratic Dialogue done by a four year old on a sugar high and a blind chimp that knows sign language but has arthritis.
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7th October 2009, 08:12 AM	#72
Ohnoes Critical Thinker Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 274	Yes because Berg is a solid individual... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_J._Berg Quote: Berg was successfully sued for legal malpractice by former clients on whose behalf Berg had neglected to file a response to a complaint in an ERISA lawsuit, resulting in a default judgment being entered against the former clients. Quote: In October 2004, Berg filed Rodriguez v. Bush, accusing the President of the United States and 155 other parties of complicity in the 9/11 attacks. Also, being a Dem doesn't make him any less crazy!
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7th October 2009, 08:16 AM	#74
Dancing David Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Central Illinois Posts: 34,716	Originally Posted by twinstead I still think this should be in the conspiracy subforum Yay, this is in the CT forum! I must now don a disguise.
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7th October 2009, 08:20 AM	#75
Dancing David Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Central Illinois Posts: 34,716	Originally Posted by boyntonstu http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3f0GYXTcXc Listen as Philip J. Berg; attorney explains the Obama eligibility case that he is spearheading. Many interesting facts are uncovered and examined. Berg was a life-long Democrat. Decide for yourself. Appeal to authority, can't stand facts? Quote someone else who has no facts! A 'life-long Democrat' is not a shield against stupidity.
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7th October 2009, 08:27 AM	#76
Meadmaker Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Detroit suburbs Posts: 11,449	Originally Posted by boyntonstu http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3f0GYXTcXc Listen as Philip J. Berg; attorney explains the Obama eligibility case that he is spearheading. Many interesting facts are uncovered and examined. Berg was a life-long Democrat. Decide for yourself. I got as far as "Obama isn't producing these documents" More typical conspiracy stuff. The real overwhelming evidence of the conspiracy is that there is NO EVIDENCE! You see, if we had the documents, that would be evidence! But since we don't have the documents, there's no evidence! The lack of evidence is the evidence! The state of Hawaii has the evidence, and they say Obama was born there.
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7th October 2009, 08:34 AM	#77
The Central Scrutinizer Penultimate Amazing Pither Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: The White Zone Posts: 42,277	Originally Posted by boyntonstu http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3f0GYXTcXc Listen as Philip J. Berg; attorney explains the Obama eligibility case that he is spearheading. Many interesting facts are uncovered and examined. Berg was a life-long Democrat. Decide for yourself. Berg is a life long moron. Are you?
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7th October 2009, 08:37 AM	#78
DDWW Critical Thinker Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 472	Originally Posted by boyntonstu http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlFc4wCpvSo and: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pT1PBlud8GQ Was really thinking more on the lines of a high production film, sorta like "The NASA moon landing coverups", or "Area 51 exposed!" DD (I think I was born in the USA)WW
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