Moderated: Views on George Galloway.

[Zeuzzz]

Now this guys a controversial figure if I ever saw one. He has a razor sharp tongue, his oratory skills are near unrivalled, he holds very strong political opinions, he has been taken to court numerous times based on allegations by newspapers that turned out to be rubbish (they had to pay him compensation), he was accused by the senate of making money from the oil for food programme in Iraq, and was found innocent. He's been banned from canada as the Jewish Defence League decided he was a terrorist as he lead an aid convoy paid for by british citizens to the people in Gaza, giving them medicine, nappies, food, etc.

He's been around in british polotics a long time. There are so many accusations about him its unreal. But, when it comes down to it, I find that they are all either out of context quotes, or fabrications of some sort to smear him. Every time he puts his side of the story across he seems to have it pretty much bang on. He's very antiwar, and hates the US and UK for invading Iraq and Afghanistan. He is also a proponent of Palestine, and is not very fond at all of Zionism or Israeli military actions in Gaza.

My parents read Murdochs "The Times" newspaper here in the UK, and they say he's an 'evil man'. But could not say why, oddly. Maybe something to do with him ripping into Sky News' biased coverage of the Israel - Palestine conflict live on TV. He cant be Murdochs favorite person, for sure.

I personally think he's brilliant. One of the best poloticians in the UK at the moment. Never really heard him say anything I disagree with after you sift through the propeganda about him. Sure many people will disagree.

Opinions?

Heres some videos of him;

Canada ban: Galloway faces his accusers a Jewish Defence League (JDL) "Terrorist" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAm7rfHKSyY

George Galloway VS the Mainstream Media + US http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvdKyGjNSg0

George Galloway vs. U.S Senate (5/17/05) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrdFFCnYtbk

For his full testimony at the senate: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IyyGoPerzWc

[Pardalis]

He's a ****.

(funny, the word "prick" is allowed, but not the c word...)

ETA: visual proof:





I rest my case.

[Zeuzzz]

Give a reason. Go on. I dare you.

[Zeuzzz]

Good old donald met sadam too.

George met sadam to speak about humanitarian issues and polotics. Donald rumsfeld and the US and UK went there to sell him guns and weapons of mass destruction. As he said in his testimony to the senate:

Transcript of his testimony: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...icle523583.ece

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"As a matter of fact, I have met Saddam Hussein exactly the same number of times as Donald Rumsfeld met him. The difference is Donald Rumsfeld met him to sell him guns and to give him maps the better to target those guns. I met him to try and bring about an end to sanctions, suffering and war, and on the second of the two occasions, I met him to try and persuade him to let Dr Hans Blix and the United Nations weapons inspectors back into the country - a rather better use of two meetings with Saddam Hussein than your own Secretary of State for Defence made of his.

"I was an opponent of Saddam Hussein when British and Americans governments and businessmen were selling him guns and gas. I used to demonstrate outside the Iraqi embassy when British and American officials were going in and doing commerce.

"You will see from the official parliamentary record, Hansard, from the 15th March 1990 onwards, voluminous evidence that I have a rather better record of opposition to Saddam Hussein than you do and than any other member of the British or American governments do.

Try harder.

[Pardalis]

tu quoque

BTW, Rumsfeld is a dick too.

[Architect]

We get him in the press all the time. His problem, basically, is that he's up his own erse. And he's not so old Labour as to give up the villa in the sun or anything.....

[NWO Sentryman]

FDR & Stalin



Che & Mao



Chirac & Saddam

[Pardalis]

How much money did Galloway receive from the Iraqi mafia regime, while the sanctions were in place?

"Humanitarian issues" are very lucrative business I hear.

[Zeuzzz]

Originally Posted by Pardalis

How much money did Galloway receive from the Iraqi mafia regime, while the sanctions were in place?

Not a penny. And he said so under oath. They would have found out if he had. It was all fabricated. You wont be able to prove it if the US govenment and intelligence cant my friend.

[Ziggurat]

Originally Posted by Zeuzzz

I personally think he's brilliant.

He's moderately clever, but his particular brand of ass-hattery requires no great intelligence, and he displays none. He's reliably anti-west, and pro-any enemy of the west. That's his only standard.

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Never really heard him say anything I disagree with

Then you don't think Hamas is a terrorist organization? You think that the assassination of the Prime Minister of the UK is justifiable? Have you really paid any attention to what this moral cretin actually says, or do you just like the knee-jerk leftist agitprop you've occasionally tuned in to?

[Zeuzzz]

Originally Posted by Pardalis

"Humanitarian issues" are very lucrative business I hear.

With the recent scandals in the UK of MP's expenses I can absolutely guarantee that they will have checked his income extensively. A lot of people will want to have shown him to have made money illegally like half of the british MPs had.

They found absolutely nothing.

[NWO Sentryman]

Galloway also compared Saddam to Stalin positively and is a Joke at the end of the day.

And the Picture does not explain all the Soviet and Chinese Hardware Saddam got.

[Zeuzzz]

Originally Posted by Ziggurat

Then you don't think Hamas is a terrorist organization?

No, they're the elected govenment, who have to defend themselves from Israeli agression frequently. I dont like Hamas, but I dont think they are terrorists any more than Israel is a terrorist state (if we are going by civilian deaths especially)

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You think that the assassination of the Prime Minister of the UK is justifiable?

Wheres he said this? I think this is out of context...

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Have you really paid any attention to what this moral cretin actually says

Yes, extensively. And he seems to make a lot more sense than most poloticians.

[WildCat]

Originally Posted by Zeuzzz

George met sadam to speak about humanitarian issues and polotics. Donald rumsfeld and the US and UK went there to sell him guns and weapons of mass destruction.

This is not true.

The US sold Iraq no WMDs, nor even components of them.

If you were capable of a little research you'd find that the great bulk of chemical weapons precursors were supplied to him by Switzerland and Singapore and Italy, with the help of a Dutch businessman.

[NWO Sentryman]

Originally Posted by Zeuzzz

No, they're the elected govenment, who have to defend themselves from Israeli agression frequently. I dont like Hamas, but I dont think they are terrorists any more than Israel is a terrorist state (if we are going by civilian deaths especially)

Israel does NOT itentionally target civilians.

Hitler was elected in 1933. Does that mean that he had to defend Germany from that Sole Polish Soldier.

"Israeli Aggression" - Explain all the missiles fired by Hamas.

Hamas are legally proscribed as terrorists by the EU and the US.

[Ziggurat]

Originally Posted by Zeuzzz

No, they're the elected govenment

You say that as if those statements are mutually exclusive, but they are not.

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who have to defend themselves from Israeli agression frequently.

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Lobbing missiles at Israeli schools and blowing up buses doesn't defend anyone.

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Wheres he said this? I think this is out of context...

GQ interview. Not out of context at all. But as I suspected, you don't actually know the sort of stuff Galloway says, and what you do know of you accept rather uncritically

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[Zeuzzz]

Originally Posted by NWO Sentryman

Israel does NOT itentionally target civilians.

I know. But they do a pretty damn crap job of that dont they?!

They have a large army and miliary power. Hamas are like toy soldiers firing out of date and inaccurate weapons.

[WildCat]

Here's a montage of Galloway asshattery, where he makes it quite clear he is pro-Hamas:

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I AGREE

[Ziggurat]

Originally Posted by WildCat

The US sold Iraq no WMDs, nor even components of them.

Technically that may not be true. We might have sold him chlorine, for example, and chlorine is a component of mustard gas. Of course, it's also rather useful in treating water to prevent diseases such as cholera.

[Zeuzzz]

Originally Posted by Ziggurat

Clue for the clueless: lobbing missiles at Israeli schools and blowing up buses doesn't defend anyone.

Likewise for Israel hitting schools in palestine. And every point you say like this I can likely counter with a similar Israeli action. Israel can at least target their weapons very accurately with their technology, yet still seem to be utterly crap at hitting their targets.

[NWO Sentryman]

Originally Posted by Zeuzzz

Likewise for Israel hitting schools in palestine. And every point you say like this I can likely counter with a similar Israeli action. Israel can at least target their weapons very accurately with their technology, yet still seem to be utterly crap at hitting their targets.

Hamas knowingly hidden in the schools and in civilian areas which BTW is Perfidy.

[Ziggurat]

Originally Posted by Zeuzzz

Likewise for Israel hitting schools in palestine. And every point you say like this I can likely counter with a similar Israeli action.

There's a term for this fallacy. Really, if thread-bare anti-Israel rhetoric is the only thing you've got with which to defend the reprehensible Galloway, well, you've got nothing.

[geni]

Galloway is to the left of even the more conventional hard left groups (there is a reasonable case to be made that the average highy militant trade union is somewhere to the right of Galloway).

He's prepared to make alliances with some interesting islamic groups. He's never met an anti-american he didn't like. His financial dealings with saddam are ah interesting although probably legal and not as bad as some have claimed.

On the other hand he's a pretty good speaker which can be useful when you want the people he's up against to look like idiots.

[JihadJane]

He's a breath of fresh air in a cesspit.

[Praktik]

I dunno why politics has to be uniform.

As a fly in the ointment I like Galloway and we're all the better for it. And if you really REALLY dislike him who is better to love to hate?

[Zeuzzz]

Originally Posted by Ziggurat

There's a term for this fallacy. Really, if thread-bare anti-Israel rhetoric is the only thing you've got with which to defend the reprehensible Galloway, well, you've got nothing.

I dont see any real valid reasons given so far as to why he's so bad. Many british poloticians think that Hamas are not a terrorist state but are the elected govenment, Tony Benn, Nigel Farage, etc, its a point of view. Not a popular one, but one that many people hold none-the-less.

Ziggurat: Do you live in Israel? Because I have gotten the impression from my breif encounters with this polotics section that you are an somewhat ardent Israeli proponent. Are you of the Zionist persuasion?

[WildCat]

Here's Galloway's heros in action:

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I AGREE

And Galloway is your hero Zeuzzz?

[Pardalis]

A few good words from Galloway about Syria, of all countries:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1524700/posts

wow.

[NWO Sentryman]

Johann Hari wrote an article destroying Galloway.

And Christopher Hitchens destroyed him in a debate.

As well as Galloway appearing on the Alex Jones Show.

And Pardalis, Freerepublic descended into Stormfront with that article on Malia Obama.

[WildCat]

Originally Posted by Pardalis

A few good words from Galloway about Syria, of all countries:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1524700/posts

wow.

And Syria killed more Palestinians in one day (February 2, 1982) than Israel has in the last 20 years. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hama_massacre

But it's OK, because the Syrians aren't Jews.

[Zeuzzz]

Originally Posted by WildCat

Here's Galloway's heros in action:

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I AGREE

And Galloway is your hero Zeuzzz?

That video is showing some angry people of different politicial persuasions being very violent. Galloway would hate the people in that video that are being violent. As he opposes all war, hate and violence.

[Pardalis]

Originally Posted by Zeuzzz

Ziggurat: Do you live in Israel? Because I have gotten the impression from my breif encounters with this polotics section that you are an somewhat ardent Israeli proponent. Are you of the Zionist persuasion?

Do you live in Iran?

What a pathetic post.

[WildCat]

Originally Posted by Zeuzzz

That video is showing some angry people of different politicial persuasions being very violent. Galloway would hate the people in that video that are being violent. As he opposes all war, hate and violence.

Absolute nonsense. He supports an internationally recognized terrorist group which targets civilians and tortures domestic opponents to death. Which calls for genocide in their official charter.

He makes speeches praising them, he stands by them, he gives them money.

And you think he's a great man?

[Zeuzzz]

Originally Posted by WildCat

But it's OK, because the Syrians aren't Jews.

So your saying that he's anti-semitic now?! Thats a very strong accusation to make. Find one piece of evidence of him being anti-semitic and I'll eat my foot. Anti Zionism is NOT anti Jewish.

This was infact court case number four that he won, the news of the world tried to trick him into making anti-semitic statements covertly. He found them out, sued them, and won the court case. They could provide no evidence he was anti-semitic.

[NWO Sentryman]

By your logic, David Duke Isn't Anti-semitic, only "Anti-Zionist"

[Ziggurat]

Originally Posted by Zeuzzz

I dont see any real valid reasons given so far as to why he's so bad.

Indeed, you do not see. None so blind.

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Ziggurat: Do you live in Israel? Because I have gotten the impression from my breif encounters with this polotics section that you are an somewhat ardent Israeli proponent. Are you of the Zionist persuasion?

You can find out what country I live in easily enough if you actually care (I've made it public in the past), but what difference does it make? And what on earth do you mean by "Zionist persuasion"? Come now, don't be coy: what exactly do you mean by that question?

[geni]

Originally Posted by WildCat

Here's Galloway's heros in action:

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I AGREE

Hey "punishment beatings" were popular in Northern Irland (still are to an extent). I understand that a number of people with links to the IRA are now fairly respected. Come on hamas have thrown people off roofs and thats the best video you can find (with a slight odd cut as well)? Try liveleak.

[WildCat]

More of Galloway's heros in action:

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DALAL al-Shoubaki remembers the day Hamas sent its dreaded Internal Security Service to arrest her husband Hamza.

"It was July 25 last year. They came early in the day to our home and they took Hamza away without saying why," Mrs Shoubaki told The Age this week.

Three weeks ago, the tortured body of the father of 13 was found dumped at Gaza's Shifa Hospital, with two gunshot wounds to the head.
From the types of twigs and leaves found on his clothes, Mr Shoubaki's family believe he was executed in a citrus grove on the outskirts of Gaza City.

Mr Shoubaki had been accused of collaborating with the Government of Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas, whose Fatah faction holds power in the West Bank. Mr Shoubaki was a vocal supporter of Fatah, and was in almost daily phone contact with his brother, a senior officer in the Government.

His fate is a chilling example of the terror inflicted on dissenters who have lived under the Hamas regime in Gaza since June 2007.

These are the heros of your hero Zeuzzz.

This is what they do. This is their policy. The people who do this aren't rogue elements, they will not be prosecuted for their crimes or even reprimanded by their boss. They likely will get nothing but praise and commendations from their superiors for a job well done.

And they are praised by George Galloway. And you love Galloway for this?

[Pardalis]

The "Zionist persuasion"... damn, too bad there aren't any stundie nominations for the politics subforum.

[Zeuzzz]

Originally Posted by WildCat

Absolute nonsense. He supports an internationally recognized terrorist group which targets civilians and tortures domestic opponents to death. Which calls for genocide in their official charter.

He does not support Hamas in this sense, infact he has made it clear that he does not support many of Hamas' ideas and policies. He does support Hamas however when it comes to them having a right to defend themselves, for them to have a go at running as the elected govenment without interference from Israel, and he only really speaks about Hamas when there are unjust things happening in palestine. He's far from an ardent Hamas supporter: Its just that when Israel and Hamas are at war or fighting he will side with Hamas, for humanitarian reasons, and countless other historical reasons.

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He makes speeches praising them, he stands by them, he gives them money.

He gives AID as donated by the british people to people devastated by war. Not just money.

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And you think he's a great man?

Yep.