Does Obama Get It?

Marc39 · 7th October 2009, 11:24 AM

Even the far-Left appears disillusioned with Obama, as reflected in Bob Herbert's latest column in the NY Times in which he wonders aloud if Obama "gets it"...

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/06/op...06herbert.html

Juniversal · 7th October 2009, 11:33 AM

Don't forget Saturday Night Live.

leftysergeant · 7th October 2009, 11:37 AM

Nobody is entirely satisfied with any POTUS. The far left are unhappy that he is not far enough left. He is a centrist. YOU don't get it.

Arcade22 · 7th October 2009, 11:43 AM

Originally Posted by leftysergeant

Nobody is entirely satisfied with any POTUS. The far left are unhappy that he is not far enough left. He is a centrist. YOU don't get it.

In Sweden he is far-right!

Cleon · 7th October 2009, 11:50 AM

Originally Posted by leftysergeant

Nobody is entirely satisfied with any POTUS. The far left are unhappy that he is not far enough left. He is a centrist. YOU don't get it.

On this one, I agree with lefty. The meme that Obama is some far-left socialist was being spread by the right; now they're trumpeting the fact that the far-left isn't thrilled with him as some sort of earth-shattering revelation that destroys his credibility.

DavidJames · 7th October 2009, 11:51 AM

Hey Mr. Independent who's as skeptical of conservatives as liberals.

When are you going to exhibit some of that skepticism about conservatives instead of your pathological obsession with Obama?

Marc39 · 7th October 2009, 11:55 AM

Originally Posted by DavidJames

Hey Mr. Independent who's as skeptical of conservatives as liberals.

When are you going to exhibit some of that skepticism about conservatives instead of your pathological obsession with Obama?

Heh heh. Lefties are having a nervous breakdown over Obama's decline.

Thunder · 7th October 2009, 01:09 PM

Originally Posted by Marc39

Heh heh. Lefties are having a nervous breakdown over Obama's decline.

we are? Only those Liberals who had a irrational view of Obama on what he would and could do as President, are disappointed by him.

Those of us who are a little more sophisticated knew that much of what Obama said during the campaign...was simply campaigning.

He would not and could not suddenly pull the troops out of Iraq or Afghanistan..and I am very glad he didn't try.

His efforts on reducing Russian and American nuclear weapons is moving very well.

His efforts on health care reform are moving as well as could be expected considering the sharp divisions in this country.

I think Obama is doing a fine job so far.

Darth Rotor · 7th October 2009, 01:16 PM

Originally Posted by Marc39

Even the far-Left appears disillusioned with Obama, as reflected in Bob Herbert's latest column in the NY Times in which he wonders aloud if Obama "gets it"...

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/06/op...06herbert.html

If the far left are upset with Obama, I call that a mark in Obama's favor.

Arcade22 · 7th October 2009, 01:17 PM

Originally Posted by Darth Rotor

If the far left are upset with Obama, I call that a mark in Obama's favor.

Well said!

Dancing David · 7th October 2009, 02:45 PM

Originally Posted by Marc39

Even the far-Left appears disillusioned with Obama, as reflected in Bob Herbert's latest column in the NY Times in which he wonders aloud if Obama "gets it"...

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/06/op...06herbert.html

So Bob Herbert is the far left? Huh?

Tricky · 7th October 2009, 02:52 PM

Man, I hope so. Michelle is HAWT!

Marc39 · 7th October 2009, 02:59 PM

Originally Posted by Dancing David

So Bob Herbert is the far left? Huh?

Yeah, huh.

ProbeX · 7th October 2009, 02:59 PM

Marc, you're going to have to start fact checking your wet dreams about Obama's demise.

mortimer · 7th October 2009, 03:05 PM

Originally Posted by Tricky

Man, I hope so. Michelle is HAWT!

Mmmm hmmm!

DC · 7th October 2009, 03:12 PM

yeah even big bird is disillusioned

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tyr_13 · 7th October 2009, 03:12 PM

Originally Posted by mortimer

Mmmm hmmm!

I think you meant, "mmmm mmmm mmmm."

Thunder · 7th October 2009, 03:17 PM

I honestly don't know of anyone who loved Obama before the election and is seriously dissalusioned with him now.

I think, just maybe, right-wing hacks want us to THINK that his supporters are getting dissalussioned. But we know better then to listen to these nuts.

Marc39 · 7th October 2009, 04:46 PM

Originally Posted by ProbeX

Marc, you're going to have to start fact checking your wet dreams about Obama's demise.

You're going to have to upgrade the maturity of your posts.

Juniversal · 7th October 2009, 05:00 PM

Originally Posted by DC

yeah even big bird is disillusioned

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Lol that was pretty funny because it sounded authentic. But some of the comments (from the actual clip) are priceless:

Originally Posted by lueSkyFlacon

Sad, don't let the innocent and "educational" approach decieve you, NWO is now infesting children's programs like Sesame Street to get small children to support communism and socialisim.

HAVE THESE SICK PEOPLE HAVE NO SHAME!!!!!??? Go ahead, give me a -10000, YOU ARE BLIND TO THE TRUTH!!!

Originally Posted by THEPANTSWEREDEAD

rs obama is planting a garden of SOCIALISM for the little kids

Originally Posted by smokinranger8

She's helping to prepare them for their future, when they have to farm/hunt/gather or starve. The government by trying to create, destroys. Well maybe not that bad, considering most people will have emigrated by then.

1776 is really looking like forgotten times, on forward comrades towards 1984!

Anyone who wants what both parties have preached prior to election - real change from the status quo - please support Ron Paul and other freedom/small gov. options that epitomize trust. PLEASE!

Dr Adequate · 7th October 2009, 05:02 PM

Originally Posted by Marc39

Heh heh. Lefties are having a nervous breakdown over Obama's decline.

Well, you can understand our despondency. His approval rating only rose by a measly six points in the last month, and his disapproval rating fell by a frankly pathetic ten. We can see the writing on the wall. Why, if there was an election tomorrow he'd barely even win by a landslide.

Obviously these are realities that we just don't want to face, hence our hysterical fugue from reality ... oh, wait, I'm getting you and me mixed up, how did that happen?

Marc39 · 7th October 2009, 05:12 PM

Originally Posted by Dr Adequate

Well, you can understand our despondency. His approval rating only rose by a measly six points in the last month, and his disapproval rating fell by a frankly pathetic ten. We can see the writing on the wall. Why, if there was an election tomorrow he'd barely even win by a landslide.

Obviously these are realities that we just don't want to face, hence our hysterical fugue from reality ... oh, wait, I'm getting you and me mixed up, how did that happen?

Any increase in Obama's numbers are momentary. The AP study is not accurate. Gallup daily tracking research shows consistently low numbers.

.

Jontg · 7th October 2009, 05:16 PM

Originally Posted by Cleon

On this one, I agree with lefty. The meme that Obama is some far-left socialist was being spread by the right; now they're trumpeting the fact that the far-left isn't thrilled with him as some sort of earth-shattering revelation that destroys his credibility.

Thank you.

Dr Adequate · 7th October 2009, 05:18 PM

Originally Posted by Marc39

Any increase in Obama's numbers are momentary. The AP study is not accurate. Gallup daily tracking research shows consistently low numbers.

Does it actually seem less dark when you whistle?

Marc39 · 7th October 2009, 05:22 PM

Originally Posted by Dr Adequate

Does it actually seem less dark when you whistle?

Not a particularly convincing rejoinder, now, is it?

Ryokan · 7th October 2009, 05:22 PM

Originally Posted by Arcade22

In Sweden he is far-right!

For Norway, I wouldn't say Obama would be on the far right, but certainly on the right side.

Of course, his approach to health care would actually put him further to the right than any party in the Norwegian parliament.

USA's problem is that they're totally polarized, with only two sides to every debate - Democrat or Republican. Of course those that have far left politics aren't happy with everything he does, just like the Socialist Left or the Communist Party in Norway aren't always happy with what Labour does, even though they are all 'left'. And the Liberals and the Christian Democratic Party aren't always happy with what the Conservative Party does, even though they are all 'right'.

Politics and opinions comes in many shades, and people on the same side of an arbitrary divide don't always agree.

gtc · 7th October 2009, 05:32 PM

Originally Posted by Dr Adequate

Does it actually seem less dark when you whistle?

Yes, but I whistle flames.

Its probably best if you don't ask what happens when I pee into the wind.

Dr Adequate · 7th October 2009, 05:46 PM

Originally Posted by Marc39

Not a particularly convincing rejoinder, now, is it?

You wish to propose yourself as an arbiter of what is convincing? Really?

Marc39 · 7th October 2009, 05:56 PM

Originally Posted by Dr Adequate

You wish to propose yourself as an arbiter of what is convincing? Really?

Gallup is an arbiter.

Read it and weep...

http://www.gallup.com/poll/113980/Ga...-Approval.aspx

Thunder · 7th October 2009, 05:58 PM

Originally Posted by Marc39

Gallup is an arbiter.

Read it and weep...

http://www.gallup.com/poll/113980/Ga...-Approval.aspx

Well, you see, Republicans and Conservatives have been lying about Obama and his health care goals for such a long time, that some Americans have begun to believe the lies and distortions. That explains his drop in popularity.

But once the health care bill passes, his approval ratings will rise back up.

Dancing David · 7th October 2009, 06:13 PM

Originally Posted by Marc39

Yeah, huh.

And how do you decide that? I am curious, I did not find his leftist credentials, what are they?

Marc39 · 7th October 2009, 06:21 PM

Originally Posted by Dancing David

And how do you decide that? I am curious, I did not find his leftist credentials, what are they?

You, evidently, have not read Bob Herbert for any length of time. Doing so would reveal his ideology.

Tricky · 7th October 2009, 07:26 PM

Originally Posted by Marc39

Any increase in Obama's numbers are momentary. The AP study is not accurate. Gallup daily tracking research shows consistently low numbers.

It may be momentary. People like me who think Obama is a pretty good president fully expect his numbers to go down as the difficult problems resolutely remain difficult. But realists (also like myself) look at the previous administration and the potential McCain administration and consider ourselves fortunate that it is Obama who is doing the necessarily imperfect job of steering things.

So you might want to loosen your grip on your schadenfreude. You apparently are already going blind.

Thunder · 7th October 2009, 08:24 PM

Originally Posted by Tricky

People like me who think Obama is a pretty good president fully expect his numbers to go down as the difficult problems resolutely remain difficult. But realists (also like myself) look at the previous administration and the potential McCain administration and consider ourselves fortunate that it is Obama who is doing the necessarily imperfect job of steering things. .

Give that man a cigar!!!

Juniversal · 7th October 2009, 08:31 PM

Originally Posted by Tricky

It may be momentary. People like me who think Obama is a pretty good president fully expect his numbers to go down as the difficult problems resolutely remain difficult. But realists (also like myself) look at the previous administration and the potential McCain administration and consider ourselves fortunate that it is Obama who is doing the necessarily imperfect job of steering things.

So you might want to loosen your grip on your schadenfreude. You apparently are already going blind.

Pretty...Much.

jnelso99 · 7th October 2009, 08:53 PM

Originally Posted by Tricky

It may be momentary. People like me who think Obama is a pretty good president fully expect his numbers to go down as the difficult problems resolutely remain difficult. But realists (also like myself) look at the previous administration and the potential McCain administration and consider ourselves fortunate that it is Obama who is doing the necessarily imperfect job of steering things.

I expect that Obama's approval ratings will eventually even out to 45-55% depending on which way the wind blows. Pretty much all liberals for and all conservatives against. But at least it should be better than Bush, who had all liberals AND roughly half of conservatives against him.

Basically, Obama ain't as wonderful as the wacky proponents had hoped, and not as bad as the wacky detractors had expected.

I can see that trend going for the rest of Obama's presidency (whether it be four or eight years), unless he does something monumentally stupid like try and invade Iran or force everybody to wear their underwear on the outside or something like that.

Marc39 · 8th October 2009, 04:59 PM

Originally Posted by jnelso99

Basically, Obama ain't as wonderful as the wacky proponents had hoped, and not as bad as the wacky detractors had expected.

Basically, after nearly a year, Obama hasn't accomplished one major goal.

applecorped · 8th October 2009, 05:29 PM

Originally Posted by Marc39

Basically, after nearly a year, Obama hasn't accomplished one major goal.

That's good, right?

Thunder · 8th October 2009, 05:33 PM

Originally Posted by Marc39

Basically, after nearly a year, Obama hasn't accomplished one major goal.

um...what did Bush accomplish by 9 months?

oh yeah, oil/gas/coal executives on the Energy Council. tax cuts. crap like that.

what has Obama accomplished soo far?

he will be signing a national health care reform bill within a month.

he put tobacco under the regulation of the FDA

he started talks with Russia to limit nukes to 1,500 each (Start Treaty 3).

he passed a massive overhaul of the auto fuel economy standards.

he set in motion the closing of GITMO.

gtc · 8th October 2009, 05:36 PM

Originally Posted by parky76

um...what did Bush accomplish by 9 months?

If you believe the truthers then he managed to invent a new form of never before seen explosive, smuggle it into three of the busiest buildings in human history, orchestrate the supposed hijacking of four planes and successfully cover the whole thing up while setting up Al Qaeda to be the patsies.

7th October 2009, 11:24 AM	#1
Marc39 Banned Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 3,720	Does Obama Get It? Even the far-Left appears disillusioned with Obama, as reflected in Bob Herbert's latest column in the NY Times in which he wonders aloud if Obama "gets it"... http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/06/op...06herbert.html
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7th October 2009, 11:33 AM	#2
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7th October 2009, 11:50 AM	#5
Cleon King of the Pod People Moderator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 20,506	Originally Posted by leftysergeant Nobody is entirely satisfied with any POTUS. The far left are unhappy that he is not far enough left. He is a centrist. YOU don't get it. On this one, I agree with lefty. The meme that Obama is some far-left socialist was being spread by the right; now they're trumpeting the fact that the far-left isn't thrilled with him as some sort of earth-shattering revelation that destroys his credibility.
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7th October 2009, 11:51 AM	#6
DavidJames Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Front Range, CO Posts: 7,083	Hey Mr. Independent who's as skeptical of conservatives as liberals. When are you going to exhibit some of that skepticism about conservatives instead of your pathological obsession with Obama?
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7th October 2009, 11:55 AM	#7
Marc39 Banned Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 3,720	Originally Posted by DavidJames Hey Mr. Independent who's as skeptical of conservatives as liberals. When are you going to exhibit some of that skepticism about conservatives instead of your pathological obsession with Obama? Heh heh. Lefties are having a nervous breakdown over Obama's decline.
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7th October 2009, 11:37 AM	#3
leftysergeant Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Spanaway WA Posts: 18,613	Nobody is entirely satisfied with any POTUS. The far left are unhappy that he is not far enough left. He is a centrist. YOU don't get it.

7th October 2009, 11:43 AM	#4
Arcade22 Graduate Poster Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Västerbotten, Sweden Posts: 1,823	Originally Posted by leftysergeant Nobody is entirely satisfied with any POTUS. The far left are unhappy that he is not far enough left. He is a centrist. YOU don't get it. In Sweden he is far-right!

7th October 2009, 01:09 PM	#8
Thunder Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Queens Posts: 34,947	Originally Posted by Marc39 Heh heh. Lefties are having a nervous breakdown over Obama's decline. we are? Only those Liberals who had a irrational view of Obama on what he would and could do as President, are disappointed by him. Those of us who are a little more sophisticated knew that much of what Obama said during the campaign...was simply campaigning. He would not and could not suddenly pull the troops out of Iraq or Afghanistan..and I am very glad he didn't try. His efforts on reducing Russian and American nuclear weapons is moving very well. His efforts on health care reform are moving as well as could be expected considering the sharp divisions in this country. I think Obama is doing a fine job so far.

7th October 2009, 01:16 PM	#9
Darth Rotor Salted Sith Cynic Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Rat cheer Posts: 34,247	Originally Posted by Marc39 Even the far-Left appears disillusioned with Obama, as reflected in Bob Herbert's latest column in the NY Times in which he wonders aloud if Obama "gets it"... http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/06/op...06herbert.html If the far left are upset with Obama, I call that a mark in Obama's favor.
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7th October 2009, 01:17 PM	#10
Arcade22 Graduate Poster Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Västerbotten, Sweden Posts: 1,823	Originally Posted by Darth Rotor If the far left are upset with Obama, I call that a mark in Obama's favor. Well said!

7th October 2009, 02:45 PM	#11
Dancing David Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Central Illinois Posts: 34,699	Originally Posted by Marc39 Even the far-Left appears disillusioned with Obama, as reflected in Bob Herbert's latest column in the NY Times in which he wonders aloud if Obama "gets it"... http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/06/op...06herbert.html So Bob Herbert is the far left? Huh?
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7th October 2009, 02:52 PM	#12
Tricky Briefly immortal Moderator Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: The Group W bench Posts: 42,345	Man, I hope so. Michelle is HAWT!

7th October 2009, 02:59 PM	#13
Marc39 Banned Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 3,720	Originally Posted by Dancing David So Bob Herbert is the far left? Huh? Yeah, huh.
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7th October 2009, 02:59 PM	#14
ProbeX Graduate Poster Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 1,443	Marc, you're going to have to start fact checking your wet dreams about Obama's demise.
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7th October 2009, 03:05 PM	#15
mortimer NWO Janitor Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 3,474	Originally Posted by Tricky Man, I hope so. Michelle is HAWT! Mmmm hmmm!
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7th October 2009, 03:12 PM	#17
tyr_13 Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Falconer, NY Posts: 9,652	Originally Posted by mortimer Mmmm hmmm! I think you meant, "mmmm mmmm mmmm."
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7th October 2009, 03:17 PM	#18
Thunder Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Queens Posts: 34,947	I honestly don't know of anyone who loved Obama before the election and is seriously dissalusioned with him now. I think, just maybe, right-wing hacks want us to THINK that his supporters are getting dissalussioned. But we know better then to listen to these nuts.

7th October 2009, 04:46 PM	#19
Marc39 Banned Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 3,720	Originally Posted by ProbeX Marc, you're going to have to start fact checking your wet dreams about Obama's demise. You're going to have to upgrade the maturity of your posts.
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7th October 2009, 05:02 PM	#21
Dr Adequate Banned Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Waiting Long Enough By The River Posts: 17,897	Originally Posted by Marc39 Heh heh. Lefties are having a nervous breakdown over Obama's decline. Well, you can understand our despondency. His approval rating only rose by a measly six points in the last month, and his disapproval rating fell by a frankly pathetic ten. We can see the writing on the wall. Why, if there was an election tomorrow he'd barely even win by a landslide. Obviously these are realities that we just don't want to face, hence our hysterical fugue from reality ... oh, wait, I'm getting you and me mixed up, how did that happen?

7th October 2009, 05:12 PM	#22
Marc39 Banned Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 3,720	Originally Posted by Dr Adequate Well, you can understand our despondency. His approval rating only rose by a measly six points in the last month, and his disapproval rating fell by a frankly pathetic ten. We can see the writing on the wall. Why, if there was an election tomorrow he'd barely even win by a landslide. Obviously these are realities that we just don't want to face, hence our hysterical fugue from reality ... oh, wait, I'm getting you and me mixed up, how did that happen? Any increase in Obama's numbers are momentary. The AP study is not accurate. Gallup daily tracking research shows consistently low numbers. .
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7th October 2009, 05:16 PM	#23
Jontg The Bear Skeptic Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: A world of kindling. Posts: 926	Originally Posted by Cleon On this one, I agree with lefty. The meme that Obama is some far-left socialist was being spread by the right; now they're trumpeting the fact that the far-left isn't thrilled with him as some sort of earth-shattering revelation that destroys his credibility. Thank you.
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7th October 2009, 05:18 PM	#24
Dr Adequate Banned Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Waiting Long Enough By The River Posts: 17,897	Originally Posted by Marc39 Any increase in Obama's numbers are momentary. The AP study is not accurate. Gallup daily tracking research shows consistently low numbers. Does it actually seem less dark when you whistle?

7th October 2009, 05:22 PM	#25
Marc39 Banned Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 3,720	Originally Posted by Dr Adequate Does it actually seem less dark when you whistle? Not a particularly convincing rejoinder, now, is it?
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7th October 2009, 05:22 PM	#26
Ryokan Insert something funny here Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Norway Posts: 8,175	Originally Posted by Arcade22 In Sweden he is far-right! For Norway, I wouldn't say Obama would be on the far right, but certainly on the right side. Of course, his approach to health care would actually put him further to the right than any party in the Norwegian parliament. USA's problem is that they're totally polarized, with only two sides to every debate - Democrat or Republican. Of course those that have far left politics aren't happy with everything he does, just like the Socialist Left or the Communist Party in Norway aren't always happy with what Labour does, even though they are all 'left'. And the Liberals and the Christian Democratic Party aren't always happy with what the Conservative Party does, even though they are all 'right'. Politics and opinions comes in many shades, and people on the same side of an arbitrary divide don't always agree.
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7th October 2009, 05:32 PM	#27
gtc Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: the downunderverse Posts: 7,114	Originally Posted by Dr Adequate Does it actually seem less dark when you whistle? Yes, but I whistle flames. Its probably best if you don't ask what happens when I pee into the wind.
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7th October 2009, 05:46 PM	#28
Dr Adequate Banned Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Waiting Long Enough By The River Posts: 17,897	Originally Posted by Marc39 Not a particularly convincing rejoinder, now, is it? You wish to propose yourself as an arbiter of what is convincing? Really?

7th October 2009, 05:56 PM	#29
Marc39 Banned Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 3,720	Originally Posted by Dr Adequate You wish to propose yourself as an arbiter of what is convincing? Really? Gallup is an arbiter. Read it and weep... http://www.gallup.com/poll/113980/Ga...-Approval.aspx
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7th October 2009, 05:58 PM	#30
Thunder Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Queens Posts: 34,947	Originally Posted by Marc39 Gallup is an arbiter. Read it and weep... http://www.gallup.com/poll/113980/Ga...-Approval.aspx Well, you see, Republicans and Conservatives have been lying about Obama and his health care goals for such a long time, that some Americans have begun to believe the lies and distortions. That explains his drop in popularity. But once the health care bill passes, his approval ratings will rise back up.

7th October 2009, 06:13 PM	#31
Dancing David Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Central Illinois Posts: 34,699	Originally Posted by Marc39 Yeah, huh. And how do you decide that? I am curious, I did not find his leftist credentials, what are they?
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7th October 2009, 06:21 PM	#32
Marc39 Banned Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 3,720	Originally Posted by Dancing David And how do you decide that? I am curious, I did not find his leftist credentials, what are they? You, evidently, have not read Bob Herbert for any length of time. Doing so would reveal his ideology.
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7th October 2009, 07:26 PM	#33
Tricky Briefly immortal Moderator Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: The Group W bench Posts: 42,345	Originally Posted by Marc39 Any increase in Obama's numbers are momentary. The AP study is not accurate. Gallup daily tracking research shows consistently low numbers. It may be momentary. People like me who think Obama is a pretty good president fully expect his numbers to go down as the difficult problems resolutely remain difficult. But realists (also like myself) look at the previous administration and the potential McCain administration and consider ourselves fortunate that it is Obama who is doing the necessarily imperfect job of steering things. So you might want to loosen your grip on your schadenfreude. You apparently are already going blind.

7th October 2009, 08:24 PM	#34
Thunder Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Queens Posts: 34,947	Originally Posted by Tricky People like me who think Obama is a pretty good president fully expect his numbers to go down as the difficult problems resolutely remain difficult. But realists (also like myself) look at the previous administration and the potential McCain administration and consider ourselves fortunate that it is Obama who is doing the necessarily imperfect job of steering things. . Give that man a cigar!!!

7th October 2009, 08:31 PM	#35
Juniversal CIA + FBI + NWO Employee Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Cincinnati, USA Posts: 1,845	Originally Posted by Tricky It may be momentary. People like me who think Obama is a pretty good president fully expect his numbers to go down as the difficult problems resolutely remain difficult. But realists (also like myself) look at the previous administration and the potential McCain administration and consider ourselves fortunate that it is Obama who is doing the necessarily imperfect job of steering things. So you might want to loosen your grip on your schadenfreude. You apparently are already going blind. Pretty...Much.
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7th October 2009, 08:53 PM	#36
jnelso99 Critical Thinker Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 444	Originally Posted by Tricky It may be momentary. People like me who think Obama is a pretty good president fully expect his numbers to go down as the difficult problems resolutely remain difficult. But realists (also like myself) look at the previous administration and the potential McCain administration and consider ourselves fortunate that it is Obama who is doing the necessarily imperfect job of steering things. I expect that Obama's approval ratings will eventually even out to 45-55% depending on which way the wind blows. Pretty much all liberals for and all conservatives against. But at least it should be better than Bush, who had all liberals AND roughly half of conservatives against him. Basically, Obama ain't as wonderful as the wacky proponents had hoped, and not as bad as the wacky detractors had expected. I can see that trend going for the rest of Obama's presidency (whether it be four or eight years), unless he does something monumentally stupid like try and invade Iran or force everybody to wear their underwear on the outside or something like that.
jnelso99 Critical Thinker Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 444

8th October 2009, 04:59 PM	#37
Marc39 Banned Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 3,720	Originally Posted by jnelso99 Basically, Obama ain't as wonderful as the wacky proponents had hoped, and not as bad as the wacky detractors had expected. Basically, after nearly a year, Obama hasn't accomplished one major goal.
Marc39 Banned Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 3,720