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m_huber · 23rd October 2009, 11:01 AM

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Now the lid is blown off the forbidden, secret powderkeg of the Masonic Jews who run Israel and, by extension, the United States and the world.

I saw guys arguing for this in the Free Speech alley at LSU today. It always astonishes me what people are willing to believe. They had actual copies of this website at their table, as well as diagrams showing that if you draw a pentagram on the US seal on the dollar, pick the letters you like, and scramble them up, you get the word "MASON." (Scroll down about halfway for the diagram)

I am not a Mason, and I don't really know much about the organization. Why do people feel the need to attack masonry so much? Perhaps more importantly, why do people willingly believe that there are large-scale conspiracies that are designed to bring an end to the earth?

People confuse me. Why can't they be just a little more rational? Is it somehow more evolutionarily more stable for people to be bats**t crazy than to just accept reality as it is?

CptColumbo · 23rd October 2009, 11:12 AM

It's a organization that keeps it's secrets, and those secrets must be sinister.

Some of our founding fathers and later political leaders were members. There are probably other organizations they belonged to (Boy Scouts, Rotary Club), but the Masons keep secrets.

My father and many members of my family were/are Masons, as well as Scottish Rite (including a few White Caps) and Shriners. Dad was a truck driver and really a typical member. He was able to bring me and other family members to many of the rituals, so they aren't as secretive as some believe.

cwalner · 23rd October 2009, 11:50 AM

Some wonderful quotes from the website

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Unbeknownst to either the Israeli elite or to America's pro-Israel cabal in Washington, D.C., for over six years I have conducted an intensive investigation of Jewish Masonic influence

I think unbecarenst is more like it.

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On the heap of its ruins, the Masons intend to build a Jewish Masonic temple where they and their satanically energized messiah shall worship and pay homage to the Egyptian double-headed eagle deity, Mammon-Ra, the god of money and prosperity

Ya'know those 10 commandments you fundies like to go on about. I think they are in what you call the 'Old Testament', specifically within the first five books thereof, what we Jews call the Torah, so those commandments kinda apply to us (at least those of us who are religious). Somehow I think that this plan may violate a few of those commandments, so not sure its really a very Jewish plan.

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The religion of Judaism, based on the Babylonian Talmud, and the Jewish Cabala (or, Kabala), an alchemical system of magic and deviltry, form the basis for the Scottish Rite's 33 ritual degree ceremonies.

Um, no The Talmud and Kabala are based on Judaism, not the other way around. Guess what other irrational belief is based on Judaism. Did you guess Christianity, you guessed right!

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In his remarks graveside at the funeral service in Israel for the assassinated Israeli Prime Minister Rabin, President Bill Clinton, wearing a Jewish yarmulke, a skull cap, referred to the slain Rabin as "Our elder brother." Of course, he was referring to the Brotherhood of the Lodge.

bolding mine
Hmm, a US president wearing a Yarmulke at a state funeral for a slain Head of State of Isreal is a sign of Isreali power over the US, because there is no other possible explanation for why Clinton would to that.

dudalb · 23rd October 2009, 12:06 PM

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On the heap of its ruins, the Masons intend to build a Jewish Masonic temple where they and their satanically energized messiah shall worship and pay homage to the Egyptian double-headed eagle deity, Mammon-Ra, the god of money and prosperity

Mammon-Ra???????

Run that name past any Historian of Ancient Egypt and watch him fall on the floor in laughter.
If you are going to accuse somebody of worshipping a evil pagan diety, at least make it one that,you know, historians have actually heard of.
What next? The Jews secretly worship Cthuluhu?

cwalner · 23rd October 2009, 12:10 PM

Originally Posted by dudalb

What next? The Jews secretly worship Cthuluhu?

And we would have gotten away with it if it weren't for those pesky CT'ers

Vermonter · 23rd October 2009, 12:31 PM

Here's a question though. If this NWO is supposed to take over the world, what about Central and South America, Africa and Asia? The whole "NWO" thing seems to be centralized around Europe and North America (excluding Canada and Mexico). Do they secretly control China and Russia? What about Egypt and Jordan? Zimbabwe? Peru?

m_huber · 23rd October 2009, 12:47 PM

Originally Posted by Vermonter

Here's a question though. If this NWO is supposed to take over the world, what about Central and South America, Africa and Asia? The whole "NWO" thing seems to be centralized around Europe and North America (excluding Canada and Mexico). Do they secretly control China and Russia? What about Egypt and Jordan? Zimbabwe? Peru?

All that matters is that they want to control YOU. YOU will be forced into their evil empire, unless you join the resistance NOW! Don't give in to the EVIL government that will destroy YOUR soul! And most importantly of all, don't be rational!

headscratcher4 · 23rd October 2009, 12:50 PM

I, for one, welcome my new Jewish Masonic overlords.

twinstead · 23rd October 2009, 12:52 PM

Jewish Masonic Overlords would be a KILLER name for a metal band.

headscratcher4 · 23rd October 2009, 12:54 PM

Maybe with just a hint of klezmer.

cwalner · 23rd October 2009, 12:57 PM

Originally Posted by headscratcher4

Maybe with just a hint of klezmer.

But then the frontman would have to change his name to Avi Naguila

twinstead · 23rd October 2009, 12:59 PM

JMO rocks!

defaultdotxbe · 23rd October 2009, 04:40 PM

Originally Posted by dudalb

Mammon-Ra???????

Run that name past any Historian of Ancient Egypt and watch him fall on the floor in laughter.
If you are going to accuse somebody of worshipping a evil pagan diety, at least make it one that,you know, historians have actually heard of.
What next? The Jews secretly worship Cthuluhu?

is anyone else reminded of the villian from thundercats?

i would suggest its an alternate spelling of amun-ra, but a quick google search seems to indicate its an invention of the CTers

commandlinegamer · 24th October 2009, 03:38 AM

From the website - 'The true name of Satan, the Kabalists say, is that of Yahweh reversed'

So Satan is actually named Hewhay. Given how language changes over time we can only assume anyone called Huey must be spawn of the devil.

LightinDarkness · 24th October 2009, 04:15 AM

Originally Posted by m_huber

I saw guys arguing for this in the Free Speech alley at LSU today. It always astonishes me what people are willing to believe. They had actual copies of this website at their table, as well as diagrams showing that if you draw a pentagram on the US seal on the dollar, pick the letters you like, and scramble them up, you get the word "MASON." (Scroll down about halfway for the diagram)

I think the whole MASONIC JEWS thing is antisemitism cloaked in more "normal" (well..normal for the nutters) conspiracy theory stupidity. The connections between Judaism and freemasonry is just about as close as the connections between freemasonry and other (usually fictional) organizations that we are connected with - and that connection is a fictional one existing only in the world of the conspiracy theorists. There are some Freemasons who are jews...just as there are Freemasons who are Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, agnostics, humanists, etc.

The website is from s Texe Marrs site, a conspiracy propagandist and professional fear monger who has been fleecing the conspiracy sheeple with his videos and debunked theories for years.

The whole "OMG THE SEAL SPELLS MASON IF YOU DRAW A PENTAGRAM" conspiracy has been around for at least 75 years. Its been debunked again and again. You can use a pentagram to make all sorts of words and phrases appear in the same manner. The truth is that its simply a lot of letters and if you spend enough time trying to find words in it you will find almost anything. Its an excellent example of the human mind trying to find deliberate patterns where none of them really exist (sort of like finding the square and compass in street plans).

Originally Posted by m_huber

I am not a Mason, and I don't really know much about the organization. Why do people feel the need to attack masonry so much? Perhaps more importantly, why do people willingly believe that there are large-scale conspiracies that are designed to bring an end to the earth?

Throughout the years, Freemasonry has been targeted because it represents enlightenment ideas like equality before the law, separation of church and state, and the idea that all people have innate human rights. This, naturally, has terrified dictators, fascists, and every other worldview that relies on people not believing in such enlightenment ideas.

Conspiracy theorists attack freemasonry because these ideals are contrary to their ideology. A conspiracy worldview requires that we explain the evils of the world by shadowy cabals, meaning that we cannot treat everyone equal (we have to murder the NWO scum, according to them, not put them on trial!). Religious conspiracy nuts also tend to be extremists, and so they are horrified of the thought of a 300 year old fraternity stressing the importance of a need for separation of church and state where - GASP - members of DIFFERENT RELIGIONS (and GASP - EVEN MEMBERS WITH NO RELIGION!) meet together under the roof of a lodge and do not try to convert each other. The cornerstone of masonic philosophy is tolerance, and that is truly terrifying to conspiracy sheeple.

Also, historically speaking, they tend to believe in long-debunked hoaxes (Leo Taxil, for example) where even when the hoaxers ADMIT they lied about freemasonry, the conspiracy theorists still would rather believe in the sewage they push about the fraternity. Freemasonry made this worse because part of the oaths we take involve stating that we will not defend the fraternity against those who have no desire to understand the truth (not exactly those words, but you get the point).

Originally Posted by m_huber

People confuse me. Why can't they be just a little more rational? Is it somehow more evolutionarily more stable for people to be bats**t crazy than to just accept reality as it is?

For quite some time I also pondered this, especially when it comes to freemasonry. The organization could not possibly be more harmless - we do charity and talk about "radical" ideas like brotherhood and equality. But the truth is people do not want to believe the truth. They need great and terrible evils to fight against in a noble struggle to save the world, and if they believed in the facts such evils would not exist. Why acknowledge that freemasonry is a harmless fraternity when it can be part of a global cabal that you (as the CTer) can valiantly fight against? And since we really aren't part of a global cabal, you never actually have to do anything in your fight against us!

LightinDarkness · 24th October 2009, 04:24 AM

Originally Posted by CptColumbo

It's a organization that keeps it's secrets, and those secrets must be sinister.

Some of our founding fathers and later political leaders were members. There are probably other organizations they belonged to (Boy Scouts, Rotary Club), but the Masons keep secrets.

My father and many members of my family were/are Masons, as well as Scottish Rite (including a few White Caps) and Shriners. Dad was a truck driver and really a typical member. He was able to bring me and other family members to many of the rituals, so they aren't as secretive as some believe.

What I find most deliciously ironic about the whole "secrets" thing is that besides the modes of recognition there are none. And the modes of recognition are so incredibly secret you can find them in 1 minute on google or in your local library.

Of course, the conspiracy theorists dismiss this and tell you that they are really concerned about the secrets of the "high level masons" - which don't exist either, but they think that the high degree numbers of the Scottish Rite indicate that THIS must mean where all the masonic secrets are at. The Scottish Rite has 33 degrees, and the conspiracy theorists often point out to me that the 32nd degree is called Prince of the Royal Secret. They proclaim this to be proof of secrecy.

Of course, when you read Albert Pike's morals and dogma, which is available to all non-masons and also online, he has an entire chapter that goes on and on about what the royal secret is.

The great and terrible Royal Secret of the 32nd degree masons?

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The ROYAL SECRET, of which you are Prince, if you are a true Adept, if knowledge seems to you advisable, and Philosophy is, for you, radiant with a divine beauty, is that which the Scholar terms The Mystery of the BALANCE. It is the Secret of the UNIVERSAL EQUILIBRIUM:--

--Of that Equilibrium in the Deity, between the Infinite Divine WISDOM and the Infinite Divine POWER, from which result the Stability of the Universe, the unchangeableness of the Divine Law, and the Principles of Truth, Justice, and Right which are a part of it; and the Supreme Obligation of the Divine Law upon all men, as superior to all other law, and forming a part of all the laws of men and nations.

--Of that Equilibrium also, between the Infinite Divine JUSTICE and the Infinite Divine MERCY, the result of which is the Infinite Divine EQUITY, and the Moral Harmony or Beauty of the Universe. By it the endurance of created and imperfect natures in the presence of a Perfect Deity is made possible; and for Him, also, as for us, to love is better than to hate, and Forgiveness is wiser than Revenge or Punishment.

--Of that Equilibrium between NECESSITY and LIBERTY, between the action of the DIVINE Omnipotence and the Free-will of man, by which vices and base actions, and ungenerous thoughts and words are crimes and wrongs, justly punished by the law of cause and consequence, though nothing in the Universe can happen or be done contrary to the will of God; and without which co-existence of Liberty and Necessity, of Free-will in the creature and Omnipotence in the Creator, there could be no religion, nor any law of right and wrong, or merit and demerit, nor any justice in human punishments or penal laws.

--Of that Equilibrium between GOOD and EVIL, and Light and Darkness in the world, which assures us that all is the work of the Infinite Wisdom and of an Infinite Love; and that there is no rebellious demon of Evil, or Principle of Darkness co-existent and in eternal controversy with God, or the Principle of Light and of Good: by attaining to the knowledge of which equilibrium we can, through Faith, see that the existence of Evil, Sin, Suffering, and Sorrow in the world, is consistent with the Infinite Goodness as well as with the Infinite Wisdom of the Almighty.

--Of that Equilibrium between COLLECTIVE AUTHORITY and INDIVIDUAL ACTION which constitutes Free Government, by settling on immutable foundations Liberty with Obedience to Law, Equality with Subjection to Authority, and Fraternity with Subordination to the Wisest and the Best: and of that Equilibrium between the Active Energy of the Will of the Present, expressed by the Vote of the People, and the Passive Stability and Permanence of the Will of the Past, expressed in constitutions of government, written or unwritten, and in the laws and customs, gray with age and sanctified by time, as precedents and authority; which is represented by the arch resting on the two columns, Jachin and Boaz, that stand at the portals of the Temple builded by Wisdom, on one of which Masonry sets the celestial Globe, symbol of the spiritual part of our composite nature, and on the other the terrestrial Globe, symbol of the material part.

--And, finally, of that Equilibrium, possible in ourselves, and which Masonry incessantly labors to accomplish in its Initiates, and demands of its Adepts and Princes (else unworthy of their titles), between the SPIRITUAL AND DIVINE and the MATERIAL AND HUMAN in man; between the Intellect, Reason, and Moral Sense on one side, and the Appetites and Passions on the other, from which result the Harmony and Beauty of a well-regulated life.

Yes yes, such terrible secrets...

LightinDarkness · 24th October 2009, 04:35 AM

Originally Posted by headscratcher4

I, for one, welcome my new Jewish Masonic overlords.

We thank you for your obedience. I'm actually just a Masonic Overlord, as I am not jewish, but I put in my application to be Regional King of Greece once we take control of the world (I hear the climate is great there). You can be my NWO Masonic underling.

Puppycow · 24th October 2009, 04:48 AM

The notion of a "Masonic Jew Plot to Control the World" comes originally from the Protocols of the Elders of Zion.

cwalner · 24th October 2009, 05:42 AM

Originally Posted by LightinDarkness

Throughout the years, Freemasonry has been targeted because it represents enlightenment ideas like equality before the law, separation of church and state, and the idea that all people have innate human rights. This, naturally, has terrified dictators, fascists, and every other worldview that relies on people not believing in such enlightenment ideas.

And all this time I thought it was the jars.

My apologies, but your thoughtful, coherent, and educational post just seemed completely out of place for this particular thread.

LightinDarkness · 24th October 2009, 05:51 AM

Originally Posted by cwalner

And all this time I thought it was the jars.

My apologies, but your thoughtful, coherent, and educational post just seemed completely out of place for this particular thread.

Well, just between you and me, the free-mason jars that we sometimes have in lodges are used to entice gullible people into our worldwide shadowy cabal.

And thank you for the compliments on my post.

cwalner · 24th October 2009, 06:52 AM

Originally Posted by LightinDarkness

Well, just between you and me, the free-mason jars that we sometimes have in lodges are used to entice gullible people into our worldwide shadowy cabal.

And thank you for the compliments on my post.

My only issue with joining the freemasons is that the only person I know IRL that I know to be a member, also happens to be a complete douchebag.

By no means am I saying that he is representative of the entire group, but generally one would join such a group by being invited in by somebody they know, who is already a member. you start to see the problems now.

LightinDarkness · 24th October 2009, 07:30 AM

Originally Posted by cwalner

My only issue with joining the freemasons is that the only person I know IRL that I know to be a member, also happens to be a complete douchebag.

By no means am I saying that he is representative of the entire group, but generally one would join such a group by being invited in by somebody they know, who is already a member. you start to see the problems now.

Freemasonry is so large that inadvertently bad apples get through - despite everything done to stop that. As a mason I have to say that while I've met masons that would fit the description of your friend the vast, vast majority are very good people.

One thing you might consider is that freemasonry does not invite anyone. The masonic philosophy strongly holds that men should seek membership of their own free will and accord without solicitation. The reason is that although there is no shadowy cabal and nothing subversive about the group, the rituals of freemasonry require one to promise to uphold those values I previously mentioned throughout ones live, and its not a commitment anyone should take lightly.

How freemasons deal with invitations and views towards doing it vary. Depending on the jurisdiction inviting is either just not traditional on the one end of the spectrum, and on the other end inviting anyone to join would be enough to constitute un-masonic conduct and get one kicked out. I know of at least one jurisdiction where prospective members must ask - and be outright rejected - a total of 3 times before a offer to be initiated is extended.

So don't worry about that one person who you don't like. If its something that interests you, just ask your local lodge. Although if you REALLY don't like that other person you should be aware he could blackball you in the vote, and in many jurisdictions 1 no vote is enough to keep you out. Doing such would be un-masonic of him and against the rules since members should vote in the spirit of friendship, but I know it happens. But you could always make sure you apply to a local lodge where he is not a member, most towns have at least 2 lodges, bigger cities can have 5 or 10.

jmcvann · 24th October 2009, 08:00 AM

One question...Do you travel?

LightinDarkness · 24th October 2009, 09:23 AM

Originally Posted by jmcvann

One question...Do you travel?

Eh, sometimes. Weekend vacation here and there.

I thought the question was "Are you a traveling man?"

m_huber · 24th October 2009, 11:16 AM

Originally Posted by Puppycow

The notion of a "Masonic Jew Plot to Control the World" comes originally from the Protocols of the Elders of Zion.

Care to expand?

Earthborn · 24th October 2009, 11:32 AM

Originally Posted by m_huber

diagrams showing that if you draw a pentagram on the US seal on the dollar, pick the letters you like,

That's not a pentagram. It's a star of David, which I guess means that they are forgetting that there needs be a space in the secret message.

INRM · 24th October 2009, 11:49 AM

Why do people think all rich multi-national bankers are Jews? The Rockefellers aren't Jewish

Elizabeth I · 24th October 2009, 12:07 PM

Originally Posted by INRM

Why do people think all rich multi-national bankers are Jews? The Rockefellers aren't Jewish

[CT]They just won't admit to it.[/CT]

dudalb · 24th October 2009, 12:17 PM

Originally Posted by defaultdotxbe

is anyone else reminded of the villian from thundercats?

http://www.monstersandcritics.com/ar...ads/mummra.jpg

i would suggest its an alternate spelling of amun-ra, but a quick google search seems to indicate its an invention of the CTers

That thought went through my mind, but the use of the term "Mammon" was a dead giveaway they were making it up.

dudalb · 24th October 2009, 12:21 PM

Originally Posted by LightinDarkness

We thank you for your obedience. I'm actually just a Masonic Overlord, as I am not jewish, but I put in my application to be Regional King of Greece once we take control of the world (I hear the climate is great there). You can be my NWO Masonic underling.

DOn't do it.headscatcher. You will end up being a snack for Cthuluhu.......

defaultdotxbe · 24th October 2009, 01:41 PM

Originally Posted by dudalb

That thought went through my mind, but the use of the term "Mammon" was a dead giveaway they were making it up.

closest i can find is the greek spelling Ammon-Ra, i have found a few CT sites using that spelling, but only by searching Ammon-Ra+Freemason

it seems to me this is what they intended with mammon-ra, another example of the bang-up factchecking we've come to expect from conspiracy theorists

m_huber · 24th October 2009, 02:42 PM

Originally Posted by Earthborn

That's not a pentagram. It's a star of David, which I guess means that they are forgetting that there needs be a space in the secret message.

Oops, good catch. I suppose I was thinking, "Five letters, five points..." It makes even less sense than I thought initially.

Maja · 24th October 2009, 03:00 PM

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the Egyptian double-headed eagle deity, Mammon-Ra, the god of money and prosperity

Mammon is the god of riches, a false deity mentioned in the New Testament. Amun-Ra is an Egyptian deity who definitely isn't the god of money, and has a single, human head. The names Mammon and Amun may sound a little similar, but there is no connection between them.

cwalner · 24th October 2009, 03:12 PM

I apologize in advance, but I just can't seem to resist.

Three cheers for the Sun God
He is a fun God
Ra!
Ra!
Ra!

23rd October 2009, 11:01 AM	#1
m_huber Muse Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 828	Masonic Jew Plot to Control the World Quote: Now the lid is blown off the forbidden, secret powderkeg of the Masonic Jews who run Israel and, by extension, the United States and the world. I saw guys arguing for this in the Free Speech alley at LSU today. It always astonishes me what people are willing to believe. They had actual copies of this website at their table, as well as diagrams showing that if you draw a pentagram on the US seal on the dollar, pick the letters you like, and scramble them up, you get the word "MASON." (Scroll down about halfway for the diagram) I am not a Mason, and I don't really know much about the organization. Why do people feel the need to attack masonry so much? Perhaps more importantly, why do people willingly believe that there are large-scale conspiracies that are designed to bring an end to the earth? People confuse me. Why can't they be just a little more rational? Is it somehow more evolutionarily more stable for people to be bats**t crazy than to just accept reality as it is?
m_huber Muse Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 828	__________________ "A certain percentage of children have the habit of thinking; one of the aims of education is to cure them of this habit." -- Bertrand Russell on problems with traditional educational methods.

23rd October 2009, 11:12 AM	#2
CptColumbo Just One More Question Join Date: May 2004 Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 9,153	It's a organization that keeps it's secrets, and those secrets must be sinister. Some of our founding fathers and later political leaders were members. There are probably other organizations they belonged to (Boy Scouts, Rotary Club), but the Masons keep secrets. My father and many members of my family were/are Masons, as well as Scottish Rite (including a few White Caps) and Shriners. Dad was a truck driver and really a typical member. He was able to bring me and other family members to many of the rituals, so they aren't as secretive as some believe.
	__________________ I've been involved in a lot of cults, both as a leader and a follower. You have more fun as a follower, but you make more money as a leader.--Creed, "The Office" The tools of conquest do not necessarily come with bombs and explosions and fallout. There are weapons that are simply thoughts, attitudes, prejudices to be only found in the minds of men. Prejudices and suspicion can destroy, and a thoughtless frightened search for a scapegoat has a fallout all its own.--Rod Serling

23rd October 2009, 11:50 AM	#3
cwalner Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Deepest Darkest Indiana Posts: 5,756	Some wonderful quotes from the website Quote: Unbeknownst to either the Israeli elite or to America's pro-Israel cabal in Washington, D.C., for over six years I have conducted an intensive investigation of Jewish Masonic influence I think unbecarenst is more like it. Quote: On the heap of its ruins, the Masons intend to build a Jewish Masonic temple where they and their satanically energized messiah shall worship and pay homage to the Egyptian double-headed eagle deity, Mammon-Ra, the god of money and prosperity Ya'know those 10 commandments you fundies like to go on about. I think they are in what you call the 'Old Testament', specifically within the first five books thereof, what we Jews call the Torah, so those commandments kinda apply to us (at least those of us who are religious). Somehow I think that this plan may violate a few of those commandments, so not sure its really a very Jewish plan. Quote: The religion of Judaism, based on the Babylonian Talmud, and the Jewish Cabala (or, Kabala), an alchemical system of magic and deviltry, form the basis for the Scottish Rite's 33 ritual degree ceremonies. Um, no The Talmud and Kabala are based on Judaism, not the other way around. Guess what other irrational belief is based on Judaism. Did you guess Christianity, you guessed right! Quote: In his remarks graveside at the funeral service in Israel for the assassinated Israeli Prime Minister Rabin, President Bill Clinton, wearing a Jewish yarmulke, a skull cap, referred to the slain Rabin as "Our elder brother." Of course, he was referring to the Brotherhood of the Lodge. bolding mine Hmm, a US president wearing a Yarmulke at a state funeral for a slain Head of State of Isreal is a sign of Isreali power over the US, because there is no other possible explanation for why Clinton would to that.
	__________________ Vecini - Inconceivable! Inigo - You keep on using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

23rd October 2009, 12:10 PM	#5
cwalner Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Deepest Darkest Indiana Posts: 5,756	Originally Posted by dudalb What next? The Jews secretly worship Cthuluhu? And we would have gotten away with it if it weren't for those pesky CT'ers
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23rd October 2009, 12:47 PM	#7
m_huber Muse Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 828	Originally Posted by Vermonter Here's a question though. If this NWO is supposed to take over the world, what about Central and South America, Africa and Asia? The whole "NWO" thing seems to be centralized around Europe and North America (excluding Canada and Mexico). Do they secretly control China and Russia? What about Egypt and Jordan? Zimbabwe? Peru? All that matters is that they want to control YOU. YOU will be forced into their evil empire, unless you join the resistance NOW! Don't give in to the EVIL government that will destroy YOUR soul! And most importantly of all, don't be rational!
m_huber Muse Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 828	__________________ "A certain percentage of children have the habit of thinking; one of the aims of education is to cure them of this habit." -- Bertrand Russell on problems with traditional educational methods.

23rd October 2009, 12:06 PM	#4
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 23,023	Quote: On the heap of its ruins, the Masons intend to build a Jewish Masonic temple where they and their satanically energized messiah shall worship and pay homage to the Egyptian double-headed eagle deity, Mammon-Ra, the god of money and prosperity Mammon-Ra??????? Run that name past any Historian of Ancient Egypt and watch him fall on the floor in laughter. If you are going to accuse somebody of worshipping a evil pagan diety, at least make it one that,you know, historians have actually heard of. What next? The Jews secretly worship Cthuluhu?

23rd October 2009, 12:31 PM	#6
Vermonter Critical Thinker Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 442	Here's a question though. If this NWO is supposed to take over the world, what about Central and South America, Africa and Asia? The whole "NWO" thing seems to be centralized around Europe and North America (excluding Canada and Mexico). Do they secretly control China and Russia? What about Egypt and Jordan? Zimbabwe? Peru?

23rd October 2009, 12:50 PM	#8
headscratcher4 Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: USA Posts: 7,759	I, for one, welcome my new Jewish Masonic overlords.
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23rd October 2009, 12:52 PM	#9
twinstead Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Big corner office in NWO Towers Posts: 11,598	Jewish Masonic Overlords would be a KILLER name for a metal band.
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23rd October 2009, 12:54 PM	#10
headscratcher4 Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: USA Posts: 7,759	Maybe with just a hint of klezmer.
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23rd October 2009, 12:57 PM	#11
cwalner Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Deepest Darkest Indiana Posts: 5,756	Originally Posted by headscratcher4 Maybe with just a hint of klezmer. But then the frontman would have to change his name to Avi Naguila
	__________________ Vecini - Inconceivable! Inigo - You keep on using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

23rd October 2009, 12:59 PM	#12
twinstead Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Big corner office in NWO Towers Posts: 11,598	JMO rocks!
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23rd October 2009, 04:40 PM	#13
defaultdotxbe Drunken Shikigami Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: The Dark Side of the Sun Posts: 7,482	Originally Posted by dudalb Mammon-Ra??????? Run that name past any Historian of Ancient Egypt and watch him fall on the floor in laughter. If you are going to accuse somebody of worshipping a evil pagan diety, at least make it one that,you know, historians have actually heard of. What next? The Jews secretly worship Cthuluhu? is anyone else reminded of the villian from thundercats? i would suggest its an alternate spelling of amun-ra, but a quick google search seems to indicate its an invention of the CTers
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24th October 2009, 03:38 AM	#14
commandlinegamer Philosopher Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Mazes of Menace Posts: 5,994	From the website - 'The true name of Satan, the Kabalists say, is that of Yahweh reversed' So Satan is actually named Hewhay. Given how language changes over time we can only assume anyone called Huey must be spawn of the devil.

24th October 2009, 04:15 AM	#15
LightinDarkness Master Poster Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 2,558	Originally Posted by m_huber I saw guys arguing for this in the Free Speech alley at LSU today. It always astonishes me what people are willing to believe. They had actual copies of this website at their table, as well as diagrams showing that if you draw a pentagram on the US seal on the dollar, pick the letters you like, and scramble them up, you get the word "MASON." (Scroll down about halfway for the diagram) I think the whole MASONIC JEWS thing is antisemitism cloaked in more "normal" (well..normal for the nutters) conspiracy theory stupidity. The connections between Judaism and freemasonry is just about as close as the connections between freemasonry and other (usually fictional) organizations that we are connected with - and that connection is a fictional one existing only in the world of the conspiracy theorists. There are some Freemasons who are jews...just as there are Freemasons who are Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, agnostics, humanists, etc. The website is from s Texe Marrs site, a conspiracy propagandist and professional fear monger who has been fleecing the conspiracy sheeple with his videos and debunked theories for years. The whole "OMG THE SEAL SPELLS MASON IF YOU DRAW A PENTAGRAM" conspiracy has been around for at least 75 years. Its been debunked again and again. You can use a pentagram to make all sorts of words and phrases appear in the same manner. The truth is that its simply a lot of letters and if you spend enough time trying to find words in it you will find almost anything. Its an excellent example of the human mind trying to find deliberate patterns where none of them really exist (sort of like finding the square and compass in street plans). Originally Posted by m_huber I am not a Mason, and I don't really know much about the organization. Why do people feel the need to attack masonry so much? Perhaps more importantly, why do people willingly believe that there are large-scale conspiracies that are designed to bring an end to the earth? Throughout the years, Freemasonry has been targeted because it represents enlightenment ideas like equality before the law, separation of church and state, and the idea that all people have innate human rights. This, naturally, has terrified dictators, fascists, and every other worldview that relies on people not believing in such enlightenment ideas. Conspiracy theorists attack freemasonry because these ideals are contrary to their ideology. A conspiracy worldview requires that we explain the evils of the world by shadowy cabals, meaning that we cannot treat everyone equal (we have to murder the NWO scum, according to them, not put them on trial!). Religious conspiracy nuts also tend to be extremists, and so they are horrified of the thought of a 300 year old fraternity stressing the importance of a need for separation of church and state where - GASP - members of DIFFERENT RELIGIONS (and GASP - EVEN MEMBERS WITH NO RELIGION!) meet together under the roof of a lodge and do not try to convert each other. The cornerstone of masonic philosophy is tolerance, and that is truly terrifying to conspiracy sheeple. Also, historically speaking, they tend to believe in long-debunked hoaxes (Leo Taxil, for example) where even when the hoaxers ADMIT they lied about freemasonry, the conspiracy theorists still would rather believe in the sewage they push about the fraternity. Freemasonry made this worse because part of the oaths we take involve stating that we will not defend the fraternity against those who have no desire to understand the truth (not exactly those words, but you get the point). Originally Posted by m_huber People confuse me. Why can't they be just a little more rational? Is it somehow more evolutionarily more stable for people to be bats**t crazy than to just accept reality as it is? For quite some time I also pondered this, especially when it comes to freemasonry. The organization could not possibly be more harmless - we do charity and talk about "radical" ideas like brotherhood and equality. But the truth is people do not want to believe the truth. They need great and terrible evils to fight against in a noble struggle to save the world, and if they believed in the facts such evils would not exist. Why acknowledge that freemasonry is a harmless fraternity when it can be part of a global cabal that you (as the CTer) can valiantly fight against? And since we really aren't part of a global cabal, you never actually have to do anything in your fight against us!
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24th October 2009, 04:24 AM	#16
LightinDarkness Master Poster Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 2,558	Originally Posted by CptColumbo It's a organization that keeps it's secrets, and those secrets must be sinister. Some of our founding fathers and later political leaders were members. There are probably other organizations they belonged to (Boy Scouts, Rotary Club), but the Masons keep secrets. My father and many members of my family were/are Masons, as well as Scottish Rite (including a few White Caps) and Shriners. Dad was a truck driver and really a typical member. He was able to bring me and other family members to many of the rituals, so they aren't as secretive as some believe. What I find most deliciously ironic about the whole "secrets" thing is that besides the modes of recognition there are none. And the modes of recognition are so incredibly secret you can find them in 1 minute on google or in your local library. Of course, the conspiracy theorists dismiss this and tell you that they are really concerned about the secrets of the "high level masons" - which don't exist either, but they think that the high degree numbers of the Scottish Rite indicate that THIS must mean where all the masonic secrets are at. The Scottish Rite has 33 degrees, and the conspiracy theorists often point out to me that the 32nd degree is called Prince of the Royal Secret. They proclaim this to be proof of secrecy. Of course, when you read Albert Pike's morals and dogma, which is available to all non-masons and also online, he has an entire chapter that goes on and on about what the royal secret is. The great and terrible Royal Secret of the 32nd degree masons? Quote: The ROYAL SECRET, of which you are Prince, if you are a true Adept, if knowledge seems to you advisable, and Philosophy is, for you, radiant with a divine beauty, is that which the Scholar terms The Mystery of the BALANCE. It is the Secret of the UNIVERSAL EQUILIBRIUM:-- --Of that Equilibrium in the Deity, between the Infinite Divine WISDOM and the Infinite Divine POWER, from which result the Stability of the Universe, the unchangeableness of the Divine Law, and the Principles of Truth, Justice, and Right which are a part of it; and the Supreme Obligation of the Divine Law upon all men, as superior to all other law, and forming a part of all the laws of men and nations. --Of that Equilibrium also, between the Infinite Divine JUSTICE and the Infinite Divine MERCY, the result of which is the Infinite Divine EQUITY, and the Moral Harmony or Beauty of the Universe. By it the endurance of created and imperfect natures in the presence of a Perfect Deity is made possible; and for Him, also, as for us, to love is better than to hate, and Forgiveness is wiser than Revenge or Punishment. --Of that Equilibrium between NECESSITY and LIBERTY, between the action of the DIVINE Omnipotence and the Free-will of man, by which vices and base actions, and ungenerous thoughts and words are crimes and wrongs, justly punished by the law of cause and consequence, though nothing in the Universe can happen or be done contrary to the will of God; and without which co-existence of Liberty and Necessity, of Free-will in the creature and Omnipotence in the Creator, there could be no religion, nor any law of right and wrong, or merit and demerit, nor any justice in human punishments or penal laws. --Of that Equilibrium between GOOD and EVIL, and Light and Darkness in the world, which assures us that all is the work of the Infinite Wisdom and of an Infinite Love; and that there is no rebellious demon of Evil, or Principle of Darkness co-existent and in eternal controversy with God, or the Principle of Light and of Good: by attaining to the knowledge of which equilibrium we can, through Faith, see that the existence of Evil, Sin, Suffering, and Sorrow in the world, is consistent with the Infinite Goodness as well as with the Infinite Wisdom of the Almighty. --Of that Equilibrium between COLLECTIVE AUTHORITY and INDIVIDUAL ACTION which constitutes Free Government, by settling on immutable foundations Liberty with Obedience to Law, Equality with Subjection to Authority, and Fraternity with Subordination to the Wisest and the Best: and of that Equilibrium between the Active Energy of the Will of the Present, expressed by the Vote of the People, and the Passive Stability and Permanence of the Will of the Past, expressed in constitutions of government, written or unwritten, and in the laws and customs, gray with age and sanctified by time, as precedents and authority; which is represented by the arch resting on the two columns, Jachin and Boaz, that stand at the portals of the Temple builded by Wisdom, on one of which Masonry sets the celestial Globe, symbol of the spiritual part of our composite nature, and on the other the terrestrial Globe, symbol of the material part. --And, finally, of that Equilibrium, possible in ourselves, and which Masonry incessantly labors to accomplish in its Initiates, and demands of its Adepts and Princes (else unworthy of their titles), between the SPIRITUAL AND DIVINE and the MATERIAL AND HUMAN in man; between the Intellect, Reason, and Moral Sense on one side, and the Appetites and Passions on the other, from which result the Harmony and Beauty of a well-regulated life. Yes yes, such terrible secrets...
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24th October 2009, 04:35 AM	#17
LightinDarkness Master Poster Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 2,558	Originally Posted by headscratcher4 I, for one, welcome my new Jewish Masonic overlords. We thank you for your obedience. I'm actually just a Masonic Overlord, as I am not jewish, but I put in my application to be Regional King of Greece once we take control of the world (I hear the climate is great there). You can be my NWO Masonic underling.

24th October 2009, 04:48 AM	#18
Puppycow Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Japan Posts: 16,025	The notion of a "Masonic Jew Plot to Control the World" comes originally from the Protocols of the Elders of Zion.
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24th October 2009, 05:42 AM	#19
cwalner Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Deepest Darkest Indiana Posts: 5,756	Originally Posted by LightinDarkness Throughout the years, Freemasonry has been targeted because it represents enlightenment ideas like equality before the law, separation of church and state, and the idea that all people have innate human rights. This, naturally, has terrified dictators, fascists, and every other worldview that relies on people not believing in such enlightenment ideas. And all this time I thought it was the jars. My apologies, but your thoughtful, coherent, and educational post just seemed completely out of place for this particular thread.
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24th October 2009, 05:51 AM	#20
LightinDarkness Master Poster Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 2,558	Originally Posted by cwalner And all this time I thought it was the jars. My apologies, but your thoughtful, coherent, and educational post just seemed completely out of place for this particular thread. Well, just between you and me, the free-mason jars that we sometimes have in lodges are used to entice gullible people into our worldwide shadowy cabal. And thank you for the compliments on my post.

24th October 2009, 06:52 AM	#21
cwalner Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Deepest Darkest Indiana Posts: 5,756	Originally Posted by LightinDarkness Well, just between you and me, the free-mason jars that we sometimes have in lodges are used to entice gullible people into our worldwide shadowy cabal. And thank you for the compliments on my post. My only issue with joining the freemasons is that the only person I know IRL that I know to be a member, also happens to be a complete douchebag. By no means am I saying that he is representative of the entire group, but generally one would join such a group by being invited in by somebody they know, who is already a member. you start to see the problems now.
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24th October 2009, 07:30 AM	#22
LightinDarkness Master Poster Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 2,558	Originally Posted by cwalner My only issue with joining the freemasons is that the only person I know IRL that I know to be a member, also happens to be a complete douchebag. By no means am I saying that he is representative of the entire group, but generally one would join such a group by being invited in by somebody they know, who is already a member. you start to see the problems now. Freemasonry is so large that inadvertently bad apples get through - despite everything done to stop that. As a mason I have to say that while I've met masons that would fit the description of your friend the vast, vast majority are very good people. One thing you might consider is that freemasonry does not invite anyone. The masonic philosophy strongly holds that men should seek membership of their own free will and accord without solicitation. The reason is that although there is no shadowy cabal and nothing subversive about the group, the rituals of freemasonry require one to promise to uphold those values I previously mentioned throughout ones live, and its not a commitment anyone should take lightly. How freemasons deal with invitations and views towards doing it vary. Depending on the jurisdiction inviting is either just not traditional on the one end of the spectrum, and on the other end inviting anyone to join would be enough to constitute un-masonic conduct and get one kicked out. I know of at least one jurisdiction where prospective members must ask - and be outright rejected - a total of 3 times before a offer to be initiated is extended. So don't worry about that one person who you don't like. If its something that interests you, just ask your local lodge. Although if you REALLY don't like that other person you should be aware he could blackball you in the vote, and in many jurisdictions 1 no vote is enough to keep you out. Doing such would be un-masonic of him and against the rules since members should vote in the spirit of friendship, but I know it happens. But you could always make sure you apply to a local lodge where he is not a member, most towns have at least 2 lodges, bigger cities can have 5 or 10.

24th October 2009, 08:00 AM	#23
jmcvann Navel Gazer Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Chicago Posts: 665	One question...Do you travel?
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24th October 2009, 09:23 AM	#24
LightinDarkness Master Poster Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 2,558	Originally Posted by jmcvann One question...Do you travel? Eh, sometimes. Weekend vacation here and there. I thought the question was "Are you a traveling man?"

24th October 2009, 11:16 AM	#25
m_huber Muse Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 828	Originally Posted by Puppycow The notion of a "Masonic Jew Plot to Control the World" comes originally from the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. Care to expand?
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24th October 2009, 11:32 AM	#26
Earthborn Terrestrial Intelligence Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Terra Firma Posts: 5,676	Originally Posted by m_huber diagrams showing that if you draw a pentagram on the US seal on the dollar, pick the letters you like, That's not a pentagram. It's a star of David, which I guess means that they are forgetting that there needs be a space in the secret message.
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24th October 2009, 11:49 AM	#27
INRM Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 5,490	Why do people think all rich multi-national bankers are Jews? The Rockefellers aren't Jewish
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24th October 2009, 12:07 PM	#28
Elizabeth I Olympic Equestrian Wannabe Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Defending the Alamo Posts: 9,358	Originally Posted by INRM Why do people think all rich multi-national bankers are Jews? The Rockefellers aren't Jewish [CT]They just won't admit to it.[/CT]
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24th October 2009, 12:17 PM	#29
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 23,023	Originally Posted by defaultdotxbe is anyone else reminded of the villian from thundercats? http://www.monstersandcritics.com/ar...ads/mummra.jpg i would suggest its an alternate spelling of amun-ra, but a quick google search seems to indicate its an invention of the CTers That thought went through my mind, but the use of the term "Mammon" was a dead giveaway they were making it up.

24th October 2009, 12:21 PM	#30
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 23,023	Originally Posted by LightinDarkness We thank you for your obedience. I'm actually just a Masonic Overlord, as I am not jewish, but I put in my application to be Regional King of Greece once we take control of the world (I hear the climate is great there). You can be my NWO Masonic underling. DOn't do it.headscatcher. You will end up being a snack for Cthuluhu.......

24th October 2009, 01:41 PM	#31
defaultdotxbe Drunken Shikigami Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: The Dark Side of the Sun Posts: 7,482	Originally Posted by dudalb That thought went through my mind, but the use of the term "Mammon" was a dead giveaway they were making it up. closest i can find is the greek spelling Ammon-Ra, i have found a few CT sites using that spelling, but only by searching Ammon-Ra+Freemason it seems to me this is what they intended with mammon-ra, another example of the bang-up factchecking we've come to expect from conspiracy theorists
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24th October 2009, 02:42 PM	#32
m_huber Muse Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 828	Originally Posted by Earthborn That's not a pentagram. It's a star of David, which I guess means that they are forgetting that there needs be a space in the secret message. Oops, good catch. I suppose I was thinking, "Five letters, five points..." It makes even less sense than I thought initially.
m_huber Muse Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 828	__________________ "A certain percentage of children have the habit of thinking; one of the aims of education is to cure them of this habit." -- Bertrand Russell on problems with traditional educational methods.

24th October 2009, 03:00 PM	#33
Maja Thinker Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Zagreb, Croatia Posts: 159	Quote: the Egyptian double-headed eagle deity, Mammon-Ra, the god of money and prosperity Mammon is the god of riches, a false deity mentioned in the New Testament. Amun-Ra is an Egyptian deity who definitely isn't the god of money, and has a single, human head. The names Mammon and Amun may sound a little similar, but there is no connection between them.

24th October 2009, 03:12 PM	#34
cwalner Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Deepest Darkest Indiana Posts: 5,756	I apologize in advance, but I just can't seem to resist. Three cheers for the Sun God He is a fun God Ra! Ra! Ra!
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