Who has exact coordinates for Flight 93 crash?

[JSSTyger]

I need them.

[Reactor drone]

30 seconds of investigoogling shows that wikipedia has them.

[JSSTyger]

I could not find exact coordinates (down to the hundredth of a second).

My best estimate is

40°03'02.31" N, 78°54'15.79" W

using photos and google earth and oriented NNW-SSE

I just want somebody to nod their head "yes"

[beachnut]

Originally Posted by JSSTyger

I could not find exact coordinates (down to the hundredth of a second).

My best estimate is

40°03'02.31" N, 78°54'15.79" W

using photos and google earth and oriented NNW-SSE

I just want somebody to nod their head "yes"

Was the delusional truth movement unable to come up with an answer? Did you ever figure out why they found evidence of Flight 175 at the WTC?

[apathoid]

Originally Posted by JSSTyger

I need them.

According to the FDR: 40.0520,-78.907 or 40 3.12 -78 54.42

But just estimating based on pictures and interpolating that in GE, I'd say:

40 03 03 -78 54 17

eta: you couldn't possibly need anything more accurate than a tenth of a latitude/longitude second(or 5~10 ft)

[AJM8125]

Originally Posted by apathoid

According to the FDR: 40.0520,-78.907 or 40 3.12 -78 54.42

But just estimating based on pictures and interpolating that in GE, I'd say:

40 03 03 -78 54 17

eta: you couldn't possibly need anything more accurate than a tenth of a latitude/longitude second(or 5~10 ft)

So now you admit flight 93 collapsed in its own footprint.

[Hokulele]

Originally Posted by JSSTyger

I could not find exact coordinates (down to the hundredth of a second).

When your precision requirements for a location exceed the dimensions of the object being located, you will either have to be more specific about what it is you are locating, or you have no idea what you are talking about.

[JSSTyger]

Originally Posted by beachnut

Was the delusional truth movement unable to come up with an answer? Did you ever figure out why they found evidence of Flight 175 at the WTC?

Its funny that nearly every post on here bashes somebody or something. You really think you are somethin don't you? Stay on subject junior.

[beachnut]

Originally Posted by JSSTyger

Its funny that nearly every post on here bashes somebody or something. You really think you are somethin don't you? Stay on subject junior.

I can find the coordinates for Flight 93 on my own and 911TruthLIES can't find one fact or piece of evidence to support their failed moronic delusions on 911. They can't express their ideas due to some unknown reason. Are they afraid to express their moronic delusions and expose their ignorance on 911? If you are trying to defend liars who spew delusions on 911, you have failed.

Your 175 did not hit the WTC was a failed idea, so finding where 93 impacted is easy, it was photographed and documented like 175.

The topic was finished before you posted.

Oops, did I bash dirt dumb ideas and delusions by 911TruthLIES? Not my fault they are pathetic dolts who lie.

[JSSTyger]

Originally Posted by Hokulele

When your precision requirements for a location exceed the dimensions of the object being located, you will either have to be more specific about what it is you are locating, or you have no idea what you are talking about.

Its called the center of the hole...and I can be as precise as I want. Quit blabbing. I wanted precision because some sites are just dead wrong and some give you coords of the memorial, which is just a few hundred feet away. I'm looking for the best estimate of the center of that hole...and with google earth and photos, you can get that estimate to within 1/100th of a second.

I understand that this is just a feeble attempt to instigate an argument. Try harder next time.

[JSSTyger]

Originally Posted by beachnut

I can find the coordinates for Flight 93 on my own and 911TruthLIES can't find one fact or piece of evidence to support their failed moronic delusions on 911. They can't express their ideas due to some unknown reason. Are they afraid to express their moronic delusions and expose their ignorance on 911? If you are trying to defend liars who spew delusions on 911 you have failed.

Your 175 did not hit the WTC was a failed idea, so finding where 93 impacted is easy, it was photographed and documented like 175.

The topic was finished before you posted.

Oops, did I bash dirt dumb ideas and delusions by 911TruthLIES? Not my fault they are pathetic dolts who lie.

Little did you know, I found it by myself. I just wanted a verification from this site. So there was no argument to be ended. Go back and read through the posts and tell me what the argument was.

Does anybody know how to write a civilized post on here?

[Reactor drone]

Originally Posted by JSSTyger

Little did you know, I found it by myself. I just wanted a verification from this site. So there was no argument to be ended. Go back and read through the posts and tell me what the argument was.

Does anybody know how to write a civilized post on here?

Did you find it before or after you made a thread saying that you needed the coordinates?

In future you might also consider stating what accuracy you need and why you need it and if you need a great deal of precision you should probably also specify a coordinate system.Are you using WGS84?

[JSSTyger]

Originally Posted by Reactor drone

Did you find it before or after you made a thread saying that you needed the coordinates?

In future you might also consider stating what accuracy you need and why you need it and if you need a great deal of precision you should probably also specify a coordinate system.Are you using WGS84?

Yes...I found it beforehand. And Google Earth does use the WGS84 coordinate system.

[Slayhamlet]

Originally Posted by JSSTyger

Its called the center of the hole...and I can be as precise as I want. Quit blabbing. I wanted precision because some sites are just dead wrong and some give you coords of the memorial, which is just a few hundred feet away. I'm looking for the best estimate of the center of that hole...and with google earth and photos, you can get that estimate to within 1/100th of a second.

I understand that this is just a feeble attempt to instigate an argument. Try harder next time.

And since the hole is not a perfect circle, how are you defining the center of it?

[JSSTyger]

Originally Posted by Slayhamlet

And since the hole is not a perfect circle, how are you defining the center of it?

Every polygon has a geometric center whether it be a circle, ellipse, etc.

[beachnut]

Originally Posted by JSSTyger

Little did you know, I found it by myself. I just wanted a verification from this site. So there was no argument to be ended. Go back and read through the posts and tell me what the argument was.

Does anybody know how to write a civilized post on here?

So you made a post so you could post off topic and rant about JREF? Cool. No wonder you posted that 175 did not hit the WTC, you want to act like a troll. Good for you.

Why do you need the "exact" coordinates; does CIT need help making up more moronic lies? Why do you need the "exact" position?

I miss your posts of pure poppycock.

Originally Posted by JSSTyger

Free fall for 2.25 seconds is impossible. Get it through your heads. Learn the physics behind free fall. Learn structural mechanics of bending of beams and columns also. Straight down vertical free fall for 2.25 seconds. Its unprecendented because it CAN'T HAPPEN.
...

Have you taken some engineering or physics classes to clear up that episode of delusions? Are you still a failed conspiracy theorist with delusions on 9/11 issues?

[Hokulele]

Originally Posted by JSSTyger

Its called the center of the hole...and I can be as precise as I want.

How did you determine the center of an irregular hole accurate to less than one foot?

Quote:

Quit blabbing. I wanted precision because some sites are just dead wrong and some give you coords of the memorial, which is just a few hundred feet away. I'm looking for the best estimate of the center of that hole...and with google earth and photos, you can get that estimate to within 1/100th of a second.

No. To get anything like that kind of accuracy, you would require an on-ground survey. Most handheld GPS units are only accurate to one meter. Anything that is measured based on aerial photography may have high precision, but will be wildly innaccurate. Lens distortion, parallax, irregularities in terrain, and camera positioning will all lead to errors in position.

No surveyor worth their license would ever certify anything to 1/100 of a second lat/long based on an image.

Quote:

I understand that this is just a feeble attempt to instigate an argument. Try harder next time.

As opposed to a feeble attempt to investigate an "anomaly"?

[Slayhamlet]

Originally Posted by JSSTyger

Every polygon has a geometric center whether it be a circle, ellipse, etc.

Yes, it can be, provided you've clearly delineated the boundaries. Have you done so, and done the calculations accordingly?

[JSSTyger]

Originally Posted by beachnut

So you made a post so you could post off topic and rant about JREF? Cool. No wonder you posted that 175 did not hit the WTC, you want to act like a troll. Good for you.

Why do you need the "exact" coordinates; does CIT need help making up more moronic lies? Why do you need the "exact" position?

I miss your posts of pure poppycock. Have you taken some engineering or physics classes to clear up that episode of delusions? Are you still a failed conspiracy theorist with delusions on 9/11 issues?

You are the master of "off topic" aren't you

I can tell you the exact classes I took while getting my BSCE

Physics: Mechanics, Physics: Heat/Sound/Light, Physics: Electricity/Magnetism, Statics (Rigid materials), Dynamics (Rigid Materials), Materials Science (makeup of materials), Fluid Mechanics, Hydraulics, Hydrology, 2 courses in Structures, Steel design, Reinforced Concrete design...

what else...

10 math courses.... I took a course in ethics (might help you out a little)...oh...and 3 soils courses

Now, while we are spending time OFF TOPIC, I'd like to know your engineering background

[DGM]

JSSTyger;
Is there a point to this thread? Is this going to lead somewhere?

[A W Smith]

Originally Posted by JSSTyger

You are the master of "off topic" aren't you

I can tell you the exact classes I took while getting my BSCE

Physics: Mechanics, Physics: Heat/Sound/Light, Physics: Electricity/Magnetism, Statics (Rigid materials), Dynamics (Rigid Materials), Materials Science (makeup of materials), Fluid Mechanics, Hydraulics, Hydrology, 2 courses in Structures, Steel design, Reinforced Concrete design...

what else...

10 math courses.... I took a course in ethics (might help you out a little)...oh...and 3 soils courses

Now, while we are spending time OFF TOPIC, I'd like to know your engineering background

and apparently. you failed all of them.

[beachnut]

Originally Posted by JSSTyger

You are the master of "off topic" aren't you

I can tell you the exact classes I took while getting my BSCE

Physics: Mechanics, Physics: Heat/Sound/Light, Physics: Electricity/Magnetism, Statics (Rigid materials), Dynamics (Rigid Materials), Materials Science (makeup of materials), Fluid Mechanics, Hydraulics, Hydrology, 2 courses in Structures, Steel design, Reinforced Concrete design...

what else...

10 math courses.... I took a course in ethics (might help you out a little)...oh...and 3 soils courses

Now, while we are spending time OFF TOPIC, I'd like to know your engineering background

Oops, you actually took classes in physics but fail to use the knowledge to make rational conclusions on 911. Good for you exposing your inability to use knowledge in a practical setting. Your spewing delusions on 911 pretty much negates your advanced learning wasted to promote the poppycock of 911TruthLIES.

I have been an engineer since 1974, a pilot since 1973, a heavy jet pilot since 1976. I earned my masters degree in 1981 and worked a few years at WFWAL developing advance technology for cockpits. I am a trained accident investigator, served on many accident boards in various positions such as pilot investigator, president, and site commander to name a few. If you paid taxes I want to thank you for my engineering classes you paid for me to take; plus it seem my education took better hold than the classes you failed to gain knowledge from. You could seek a refund from the instructors who failed you.

Ethics? Why do you spread lies freely? Ignorance? Or lack of Judgment? You should have taken a course in sound judgment. You failed to apply your knowledge you seem to brag about and apply it properly. The one thing my fellow instructor pilots in the USAF stressed was judgment. Finding the right time to stress that point, to give the student the insight and knowledge to apply sound judgment was priceless.


So what is the point of your exact position for Flight 93?

[JSSTyger]

Originally Posted by Slayhamlet

Yes, it can be, provided you've clearly delineated the boundaries. Have you done so, and done the calculations accordingly?

Eyeballing. You saw the girl up above complaining that the such a small error does not cover the entire crash site. True as that is, I was just reading a point on GE that was my best guess where the center of that hole was. GE reads to 1/100th of a second. My center may not be the "exact" center, but it is close enough. This precision isn't as important as people are making it out to be, but I don't want somebody giving me an estimate that is way off. There are roughly 365,000feet in a degree latitude-100 feet in a second. You can do better than that. 10 feet (1 tenth second) error is probably the most reasonable. Fine....find it to within a 10th of a second.

[9/11 Chewy Defense]

I live near Shanksville where Flight 93 crashed. I don't need any coordinates to look it up, I just go straight to the site.

It's only 20 miles south of Johnstown, PA.

[JSSTyger]

[quote=beachnut;5242422][color=black][font=Verdana]Oops, you actually took classes in physics but fail to use the knowledge to make rational conclusions on 911.

You always respond like a douche.
Waste your time on another thread why don't you.
You attacked me cuz you thought I didn't have the relevant experience to comment on something (which was off topic btw) and you got it thrown back in your face. Eat it and enjoy it.

[beachnut]

[quote=JSSTyger;5242454]

Originally Posted by beachnut

[color=black][font=Verdana]Oops, you actually took classes in physics but fail to use the knowledge to make rational conclusions on 911.

You always respond like a douche.
Waste your time on another thread why don't you.
You attacked me cuz you thought I didn't have the relevant experience to comment on something (which was off topic btw) and you got it thrown back in your face. Eat it and enjoy it.

wowzer
Why can't your vast superior education figure out 9/11?

The only relevant experience you have is promoting nut case conspiracy theories on 9/11.

101.267

[JSSTyger]

Originally Posted by DGM

JSSTyger;
Is there a point to this thread? Is this going to lead somewhere?

The point was to get some sort of an answer, which most people are strenuously avoiding as if I'm going to take them to court over it. This was strictly for my own research, to see if I had the same approx. location as what is accepted. I think I've gotten one answer (AJM125) and then a bunch of jibberish.

[JSSTyger]

[quote=beachnut;5242476]

Originally Posted by JSSTyger

wowzer
Why can't your vast superior education figure out 9/11?

The only relevant experience you have is promoting nut case conspiracy theories on 9/11.

101.267

As smart as you claim to be, I find it amusing you can't stay on topic when you are repeatedly asked to.

Now...here I go...ready for this? I'm gonna use JREF terminology here.

AD HOMINEM

Do you know what that means?

[A W Smith]

Originally Posted by JSSTyger

Who has exact coordinates for Flight 93 crash?
I need them.

Originally Posted by JSSTyger

I could not find exact coordinates (down to the hundredth of a second).

My best estimate is

40°03'02.31" N, 78°54'15.79" W

using photos and google earth and oriented NNW-SSE

I just want somebody to nod their head "yes"

Originally Posted by JSSTyger

Its called the center of the hole...and I can be as precise as I want. Quit blabbing. I wanted precision because some sites are just dead wrong and some give you coords of the memorial, which is just a few hundred feet away. I'm looking for the best estimate of the center of that hole...and with google earth and photos, you can get that estimate to within 1/100th of a second.

I understand that this is just a feeble attempt to instigate an argument. Try harder next time.

Originally Posted by JSSTyger

Little did you know, I found it by myself. I just wanted a verification from this site. So there was no argument to be ended. Go back and read through the posts and tell me what the argument was.

Does anybody know how to write a civilized post on here?

Originally Posted by JSSTyger

Yes...I found it beforehand. And Google Earth does use the WGS84 coordinate system.

Originally Posted by JSSTyger

Eyeballing. You saw the girl up above complaining that the such a small error does not cover the entire crash site. True as that is, I was just reading a point on GE that was my best guess where the center of that hole was. GE reads to 1/100th of a second. My center may not be the "exact" center, but it is close enough. This precision isn't as important as people are making it out to be, but I don't want somebody giving me an estimate that is way off. There are roughly 365,000feet in a degree latitude-100 feet in a second. You can do better than that. 10 feet (1 tenth second) error is probably the most reasonable. Fine....find it to within a 10th of a second.

Originally Posted by JSSTyger

The point was to get some sort of an answer, which most people are strenuously avoiding as if I'm going to take them to court over it. This was strictly for my own research, to see if I had the same approx. location as what is accepted. I think I've gotten one answer (AJM125) and then a bunch of jibberish.

So all this, the entire thread was nothing more than a troll attempt to get someone to post a coordinate that was inaccurate so you could jump their ****. And even at that you failed? you had the answer all along to the opening post where you asked "who has exact coordinates for flight 93 crash? I need them."????

[beachnut]

Originally Posted by JSSTyger

As smart as you claim to be, I find it amusing you can't stay on topic when you are repeatedly asked to.

Now...here I go...ready for this? I'm gonna use JREF terminology here.

AD HOMINEM

Do you know what that means?

on topic?

Originally Posted by JSSTyger

... , I'd like to know your engineering background

Quote:

AD HOMINEM Do you know what that means

Could it mean you have no evidence to support your moronic delusions?


What again was the goal of your OP…

Originally Posted by JSSTyger

Little did you know, I found it by myself. ...?

[Stellafane]

Originally Posted by JSSTyger

Every polygon has a geometric center whether it be a circle, ellipse, etc.

Somewhere in all those courses you took, you ought to have learned than neither a circle nor an ellipse is a polygon.

[apathoid]

Originally Posted by JSSTyger

Who has exact coordinates for Flight 93 crash? I need them.

Originally Posted by JSSTyger

I could not find exact coordinates (down to the hundredth of a second).

Originally Posted by JSSTyger

This was strictly for my own research, to see if I had the same approx. location as what is accepted.

So you needed exact coordinates within a foot to reassure yourself of the approximate location of the crash site? That's.....interesting.

[Hokulele]

Originally Posted by JSSTyger

Eyeballing. You saw the girl up above complaining that the such a small error does not cover the entire crash site. True as that is, I was just reading a point on GE that was my best guess where the center of that hole was. GE reads to 1/100th of a second. My center may not be the "exact" center, but it is close enough. This precision isn't as important as people are making it out to be, but I don't want somebody giving me an estimate that is way off. There are roughly 365,000feet in a degree latitude-100 feet in a second. You can do better than that. 10 feet (1 tenth second) error is probably the most reasonable. Fine....find it to within a 10th of a second.

Do you understand the difference between precision and accuracy?

ETA: Why do you trust the coordinates Google Earth is reporting? Have you read any of the articles regarding the accuracy of GE? Do you understand the limitations of using a single ellipsoid (WGS 84) to determine local coordinates?

This whole issue is a joke.

[AJM8125]

Originally Posted by JSSTyger

I think I've gotten one answer (AJM125) and then a bunch of jibberish.

I think you mean apathoid gave you an answer, not me. I'm the guy that makes fun of you for this:

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=137237

And I certainly hope your education is refundable.


No, no I don't.

[Hokulele]

Originally Posted by AJM8125

I think you mean apathoid gave you an answer, not me. I'm the guy that makes fun of you for this:

Heh. I had forgotten about that thread.

And I just adore the way JSSTyger refers to me as "the girl" here as opposed to someone who trains surveyors (field techniques as well as office data processing) for a living.

[ElMondoHummus]

Originally Posted by Hokulele

And I just adore the way JSSTyger refers to me as "the girl" here as opposed to someone who trains surveyors (field techniques as well as office data processing) for a living.

Why are you letting him off so easy? If one of us had called you "the girl", you would've cast your "Set Poster Aflame" spell and reduced us to ashes at our keyboards!

[Hokulele]

Originally Posted by ElMondoHummus

Why are you letting him off so easy? If one of us had called you "the girl", you would've cast your "Set Poster Aflame" spell and reduced us to ashes at our keyboards!

After your wonderful, informative, and lengthy responses to atavism's posts in the other thread, you are permanently off the "Set Poster Aflame" list.

But "Set Poster Asinge" is still an option.

[Brainache]

Originally Posted by Hokulele

After your wonderful, informative, and lengthy responses to atavism's posts in the other thread, you are permanently off the "Set Poster Aflame" list.

But "Set Poster Asinge" is still an option.

Shouldn't you be in the kitchen baking a pie, or something?

[Hokulele]

Originally Posted by Brainache

Shouldn't you be in the kitchen baking a pie, or something?

*Sings*

I can bring home the bacon.
Fry it up in a pan.

[Trojan]

JSSTYGER also expected the towers to topple over like Jenga blocks -- and is a closet no planer, so this was no innocent inquiry.