Eric Holder- AG,"...no more raids..."

King of the Americas · 26th October 2009, 08:08 AM

So, is marijuana now "legal", in those states that have passed medical marijuana laws?

ETA: I am looking for the video of his announcement, now. He said they'd no longer waste limited resources on places that are using marijuana under the law.

Over a dozen states have passed medical marijuana laws.

Link coming...it is the last few minutes of this exchange:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/1..._n_333036.html

theprestige · 26th October 2009, 05:13 PM

Ironically, local public radio program "The California Report" still managed to find a medical marijuana advocate who was unhappy with the AG's new policy.

WildCat · 26th October 2009, 05:34 PM

Originally Posted by King of the Americas

So, is marijuana now "legal", in those states that have passed medical marijuana laws?

Nope.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/18/us/18enforce.html

King of the Americas · 27th October 2009, 07:27 AM

Originally Posted by WildCat

Nope.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/18/us/18enforce.html

So much for democratically enacted law...

Although, it would appear that the law never intended people to be making money from the dispensaries.

Imagine how cheap you could get Viagra for, if the company manufacturing and selling it, was 'denied' profitability by government officials!?

Still though, the feds taking a hands off approach to states that have enacted medical marijuana laws, IS a good thing, and a step in the right direction.

HB 164 in the Texas Legislature, a bill was offered up that provided a criminal defense to marijuana possession, if you have a prescription from a doctor...but it died in committee without discussion.

King of the Americas · 27th October 2009, 07:31 AM

Originally Posted by theprestige

Ironically, local public radio program "The California Report" still managed to find a medical marijuana advocate who was unhappy with the AG's new policy.

Not having heard it, I am guessing that he didn't feel the AG went far enough...?

That said, I too found the AG's comments still very hostile toward marijuana, and while I found the news "good", I am only partially hopeful that big changes will be made anytime soon. There are some states that still find gambling to be unacceptable and thus illegal.

WildCat · 27th October 2009, 08:04 AM

Originally Posted by King of the Americas

So much for democratically enacted law...

Although, it would appear that the law never intended people to be making money from the dispensaries.

Imagine how cheap you could get Viagra for, if the company manufacturing and selling it, was 'denied' profitability by government officials!?

Still though, the feds taking a hands off approach to states that have enacted medical marijuana laws, IS a good thing, and a step in the right direction.

HB 164 in the Texas Legislature, a bill was offered up that provided a criminal defense to marijuana possession, if you have a prescription from a doctor...but it died in committee without discussion.

It's good that the Feds are bacxking off a little, but the policy within the state of California is schizophrenic.

The dispensaries can't make a profit, but the growers can? Who's regulating the growers? Are they still getting raided?

Just legalize it, end the charade. Stop ruining lives over a flower.

King of the Americas · 27th October 2009, 09:13 AM

Originally Posted by WildCat

It's good that the Feds are bacxking off a little, but the policy within the state of California is schizophrenic.

The dispensaries can't make a profit, but the growers can? Who's regulating the growers? Are they still getting raided?

Just legalize it, end the charade. Stop ruining lives over a flower.

Is there a difference between a flower and a bud?

I spoke to my Texas State Senator's offices yesterday about cost savings matters in regards to THC in Texas. My Texas Medicaid Programs pays $30,000 a year for my prescription Marinol. I could grow my own for the price of a bucket to catch rainwater... That the matter didn't even make it out of committee, says a lot about the atmosphere here in Texas.

Gambling is illegal here, yet there are places you can play for 'tokens', which you sell back to the establishment.

Praktik · 27th October 2009, 09:21 AM

I always wondered about Marinol - does that get you really really high?

King of the Americas · 27th October 2009, 11:28 AM

Originally Posted by Praktik

I always wondered about Marinol - does that get you really really high?

It depends on what you eat before and after ingesting it...

Which is one of the problems using an oral induction method.

If I take them with milk, lots of cheese, or anything with lots of animal fats, the effect is almost non-existent. Consume in conjunction with a light salad or a plate of red sauce spaghetti, and you'd better hold on to your hat.

I hope the inhaler gets to the market soon. It is now in its second stage of trials, which means months before it is close to FDA approval.

Praktik · 27th October 2009, 11:31 AM

Cool - I was also curious from a recreational standpoint - could you up the dose to get a good buzz?

Was thinking these might be handy to take ahead of concerts where smoking could get you removed.

Also: given this is synthetic THC in pill form, could you conceivably crush a pill and rail it?

King of the Americas · 27th October 2009, 11:44 AM

Originally Posted by Praktik

Cool - I was also curious from a recreational standpoint - could you up the dose to get a good buzz?

Was thinking these might be handy to take ahead of concerts where smoking could get you removed.

Also: given this is synthetic THC in pill form, could you conceivably crush a pill and rail it?

It's a gel cap, intended for ingestion through the small intestines...it usually takes a good half an hour to take affect.

I took 10 once, and got lost in my bathroom. I literally had no idea where 'in the world' I was. Nothing looked familiar. Once I got back into the hall I started to recognize things again. There's a heaviness to the feeling, not heady at all, but like how you feel when you've eaten too many brownies.

I've never seen or heard of anyone injecting it, and I'm not a needle guy. I prefer to smoke, but vaporizing it leads to headaches, so I take them on an empty stomach or after a light meal.

---

ETA:

I am a spinal cord injury patient who takes THC to reduce bladder spasms. THC helped me to stop cathing, and almost completely eliminated bladder accidents. (Is that too much information?)

theprestige · 27th October 2009, 01:16 PM

Originally Posted by King of the Americas

Not having heard it, I am guessing that he didn't feel the AG went far enough...?

That said, I too found the AG's comments still very hostile toward marijuana, and while I found the news "good", I am only partially hopeful that big changes will be made anytime soon. There are some states that still find gambling to be unacceptable and thus illegal.

As best I could understand the complaint, it was that by reserving the option to arbitrarily not prosecute marijuana offenders if they so desired, they were also reserving the option to arbitrarily prosecute if they so desired.

Praktik · 27th October 2009, 01:20 PM

Originally Posted by King of the Americas

ETA:

I am a spinal cord injury patient who takes THC to reduce bladder spasms. THC helped me to stop cathing, and almost completely eliminated bladder accidents. (Is that too much information?)

no not too much I did not know it had this application!

JoeTheJuggler · 27th October 2009, 03:23 PM

Originally Posted by WildCat

It's good that the Feds are bacxking off a little, but the policy within the state of California is schizophrenic.

The dispensaries can't make a profit, but the growers can? Who's regulating the growers? Are they still getting raided?

I think that incoherent legal stance is a sign of changing law. (Who'd have thought it would take so long, though?)

Quote:

Just legalize it, end the charade. Stop ruining lives over a flower.

Amen.

26th October 2009, 08:08 AM	#1
King of the Americas Illuminator Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: North Central Texas Posts: 3,077	Eric Holder- AG,"...no more raids..." So, is marijuana now "legal", in those states that have passed medical marijuana laws? ETA: I am looking for the video of his announcement, now. He said they'd no longer waste limited resources on places that are using marijuana under the law. Over a dozen states have passed medical marijuana laws. Link coming...it is the last few minutes of this exchange: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/1..._n_333036.html
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26th October 2009, 05:34 PM	#3
WildCat NWO Master Conspirator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Albany Park, Chicago Posts: 24,983	Originally Posted by King of the Americas So, is marijuana now "legal", in those states that have passed medical marijuana laws? Nope. http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/18/us/18enforce.html
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27th October 2009, 07:31 AM	#5
King of the Americas Illuminator Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: North Central Texas Posts: 3,077	Originally Posted by theprestige Ironically, local public radio program "The California Report" still managed to find a medical marijuana advocate who was unhappy with the AG's new policy. Not having heard it, I am guessing that he didn't feel the AG went far enough...? That said, I too found the AG's comments still very hostile toward marijuana, and while I found the news "good", I am only partially hopeful that big changes will be made anytime soon. There are some states that still find gambling to be unacceptable and thus illegal.
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27th October 2009, 08:04 AM	#6
WildCat NWO Master Conspirator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Albany Park, Chicago Posts: 24,983	Originally Posted by King of the Americas So much for democratically enacted law... Although, it would appear that the law never intended people to be making money from the dispensaries. Imagine how cheap you could get Viagra for, if the company manufacturing and selling it, was 'denied' profitability by government officials!? Still though, the feds taking a hands off approach to states that have enacted medical marijuana laws, IS a good thing, and a step in the right direction. HB 164 in the Texas Legislature, a bill was offered up that provided a criminal defense to marijuana possession, if you have a prescription from a doctor...but it died in committee without discussion. It's good that the Feds are bacxking off a little, but the policy within the state of California is schizophrenic. The dispensaries can't make a profit, but the growers can? Who's regulating the growers? Are they still getting raided? Just legalize it, end the charade. Stop ruining lives over a flower.
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27th October 2009, 09:21 AM	#8
Praktik Master Poster Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,804	I always wondered about Marinol - does that get you really really high?
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26th October 2009, 05:13 PM	#2
theprestige Master Poster Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 2,099	Ironically, local public radio program "The California Report" still managed to find a medical marijuana advocate who was unhappy with the AG's new policy.

27th October 2009, 07:27 AM	#4
King of the Americas Illuminator Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: North Central Texas Posts: 3,077	Originally Posted by WildCat Nope. http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/18/us/18enforce.html So much for democratically enacted law... Although, it would appear that the law never intended people to be making money from the dispensaries. Imagine how cheap you could get Viagra for, if the company manufacturing and selling it, was 'denied' profitability by government officials!? Still though, the feds taking a hands off approach to states that have enacted medical marijuana laws, IS a good thing, and a step in the right direction. HB 164 in the Texas Legislature, a bill was offered up that provided a criminal defense to marijuana possession, if you have a prescription from a doctor...but it died in committee without discussion.

27th October 2009, 09:13 AM	#7
King of the Americas Illuminator Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: North Central Texas Posts: 3,077	Originally Posted by WildCat It's good that the Feds are bacxking off a little, but the policy within the state of California is schizophrenic. The dispensaries can't make a profit, but the growers can? Who's regulating the growers? Are they still getting raided? Just legalize it, end the charade. Stop ruining lives over a flower. Is there a difference between a flower and a bud? I spoke to my Texas State Senator's offices yesterday about cost savings matters in regards to THC in Texas. My Texas Medicaid Programs pays $30,000 a year for my prescription Marinol. I could grow my own for the price of a bucket to catch rainwater... That the matter didn't even make it out of committee, says a lot about the atmosphere here in Texas. Gambling is illegal here, yet there are places you can play for 'tokens', which you sell back to the establishment.

27th October 2009, 11:28 AM	#9
King of the Americas Illuminator Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: North Central Texas Posts: 3,077	Originally Posted by Praktik I always wondered about Marinol - does that get you really really high? It depends on what you eat before and after ingesting it... Which is one of the problems using an oral induction method. If I take them with milk, lots of cheese, or anything with lots of animal fats, the effect is almost non-existent. Consume in conjunction with a light salad or a plate of red sauce spaghetti, and you'd better hold on to your hat. I hope the inhaler gets to the market soon. It is now in its second stage of trials, which means months before it is close to FDA approval.

27th October 2009, 11:31 AM	#10
Praktik Master Poster Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,804	Cool - I was also curious from a recreational standpoint - could you up the dose to get a good buzz? Was thinking these might be handy to take ahead of concerts where smoking could get you removed. Also: given this is synthetic THC in pill form, could you conceivably crush a pill and rail it?
Praktik Master Poster Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,804	__________________ "It must be very strange to be President Bush. A man of extraordinary vision and brilliance approaching to genius, he can't get anyone to notice. He is like a great painter or musician who is ahead of his time, and who unveils one masterpiece after another to a reception that, when not bored, is hostile." - John Hinderaker, Powerline

27th October 2009, 11:44 AM	#11
King of the Americas Illuminator Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: North Central Texas Posts: 3,077	Originally Posted by Praktik Cool - I was also curious from a recreational standpoint - could you up the dose to get a good buzz? Was thinking these might be handy to take ahead of concerts where smoking could get you removed. Also: given this is synthetic THC in pill form, could you conceivably crush a pill and rail it? It's a gel cap, intended for ingestion through the small intestines...it usually takes a good half an hour to take affect. I took 10 once, and got lost in my bathroom. I literally had no idea where 'in the world' I was. Nothing looked familiar. Once I got back into the hall I started to recognize things again. There's a heaviness to the feeling, not heady at all, but like how you feel when you've eaten too many brownies. I've never seen or heard of anyone injecting it, and I'm not a needle guy. I prefer to smoke, but vaporizing it leads to headaches, so I take them on an empty stomach or after a light meal. --- ETA: I am a spinal cord injury patient who takes THC to reduce bladder spasms. THC helped me to stop cathing, and almost completely eliminated bladder accidents. (Is that too much information?)
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27th October 2009, 01:16 PM	#12
theprestige Master Poster Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 2,099	Originally Posted by King of the Americas Not having heard it, I am guessing that he didn't feel the AG went far enough...? That said, I too found the AG's comments still very hostile toward marijuana, and while I found the news "good", I am only partially hopeful that big changes will be made anytime soon. There are some states that still find gambling to be unacceptable and thus illegal. As best I could understand the complaint, it was that by reserving the option to arbitrarily not prosecute marijuana offenders if they so desired, they were also reserving the option to arbitrarily prosecute if they so desired.

27th October 2009, 01:20 PM	#13
Praktik Master Poster Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,804	Originally Posted by King of the Americas ETA: I am a spinal cord injury patient who takes THC to reduce bladder spasms. THC helped me to stop cathing, and almost completely eliminated bladder accidents. (Is that too much information?) no not too much I did not know it had this application!
Praktik Master Poster Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,804	__________________ "It must be very strange to be President Bush. A man of extraordinary vision and brilliance approaching to genius, he can't get anyone to notice. He is like a great painter or musician who is ahead of his time, and who unveils one masterpiece after another to a reception that, when not bored, is hostile." - John Hinderaker, Powerline

27th October 2009, 03:23 PM	#14
JoeTheJuggler Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: St. Louis Posts: 10,998	Originally Posted by WildCat It's good that the Feds are bacxking off a little, but the policy within the state of California is schizophrenic. The dispensaries can't make a profit, but the growers can? Who's regulating the growers? Are they still getting raided? I think that incoherent legal stance is a sign of changing law. (Who'd have thought it would take so long, though?) Quote: Just legalize it, end the charade. Stop ruining lives over a flower. Amen.
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