Scientology spokesman walks out on press questions re: Xenu

headscratcher4 · 26th October 2009, 08:46 AM

http://gawker.com/5389477/scientolog...-martin-bashir

Vic Vega · 26th October 2009, 09:39 AM

I don't quite understand why this would be offensive? Does anyone know?

headscratcher4 · 26th October 2009, 09:56 AM

I think it is a dodge. It would have been "offensive" if he had denied it and Bashir's continued with the questioning. But note, he never addressed the question head-on...he just says its "offensive" and threatens to walk out.

joobz · 26th October 2009, 09:57 AM

Well, claiming offense is the only logical way to defend a secret.

If you are a SOOPER SEKRET organization with SOOPER important SEKRETS, you can't actually confirm or deny any claim to what those SEKRETS are. If you were to deny, then you effectively create a means for people to eventually discover your SOOPER SEKRETS.

Claiming offense sets a tone that makes the person feel bad for even asking. It's a clever (albeit transparent) way of avoiding admitting they beleive in Batpoop crazy stuff.

joobz · 26th October 2009, 10:07 AM

A more interesting line of questions would be a less direct one:
1.) Is scientology beliefs compatible with christianity? Islam?....
2.) Is it true that scientologists beleive that we can all become better than what we are and are self impowering?
3.) Is this ability to improve us suggest that is something "keeping" us from being the best we coudl be?
4.) What is that thing and if it is a thing who caused it?

or, another way, ask things that are even more rediculous and see if they will deny it.

1.Some people suggest scientologists beleive milk enemas are required for becoming clear, is this true?
2. Do you believe that there is no god and that the universe is actually a giant panda nipple?

Lucian · 26th October 2009, 11:03 AM

Originally Posted by joobz

A more interesting line of questions would be a less direct one:
1.) Is scientology beliefs compatible with christianity? Islam?....
2.) Is it true that scientologists beleive that we can all become better than what we are and are self impowering?
3.) Is this ability to improve us suggest that is something "keeping" us from being the best we coudl be?
4.) What is that thing and if it is a thing who caused it?

or, another way, ask things that are even more rediculous and see if they will deny it.

1.Some people suggest scientologists beleive milk enemas are required for becoming clear, is this true?
2. Do you believe that there is no god and that the universe is actually a giant panda nipple?

As a Panda Nipplonian, I find that comment offensive and glib.

Rrose Selavy · 26th October 2009, 11:39 AM

Martin Bashir was supposed to be working on a Biog of Cruise a while back - maybe this is part of it or a result of his "research" ?

Filippo Lippi · 26th October 2009, 11:52 AM

Originally Posted by Lucian

As a Panda Nipplonian, I find that comment offensive and glib.

Where do you want me to put this nickel?

dudalb · 26th October 2009, 12:53 PM

Paul Haggis, one of the top Film Writters in Hollywood, had quit the CO$ and has written a blistering letter to it's head explaining why. Biggest name defector so far. Watch him get the treatment from the CO$ now.

Careyp74 · 26th October 2009, 01:53 PM

can't blame him. Those beliefs of the church are for the top members. By the time he found out that the founders believed them, they already had so much dirt on him and had him locked in so much that he couldn't get out. Now he is stuck there, don't make him squirm. We should jump in and save him. Witness protection, change his name, get what we know about Scientology out of him, and set him free.

TimCallahan · 29th October 2009, 05:57 PM

Considering that the whole point of getting clear is to expell one's thetans, their existence and the whole Xenu thing would seem to be central to the religious dogma of Scientology. Interviewers should make a point of bringing this wacky scenario up every time they talk to any Scientologists. They should also have Hubbard's work right in their hands when they do so. Thus they can quote him. However, what would be best would be to find a way to get one of these devious sons-of-*****es on a witness stand in a court of law, where they can't walk out and can't decline to answer the question without being found in contempt of court. Ideally, this would be done in a civil case, where the witness couldn't plead the fifth.

Rrose Selavy · 2nd November 2009, 11:12 AM

Interesting commentary here:

Quote:

Yet there is the rub. In France, Scientology is deemed a sect as opposed to a religion, which is why they are required to produce evidence for their claims, where recognised religious leaders are not. For those of us who believe that all religions are full of tall tales, this might seem slightly unfair. Admittedly, it costs more financially to be lied to by Scientology than it does to be taken on an equally evidence-free journey by other faiths, and we should not for a moment gloss over the cruel and repulsive way in which the church has hounded their critics.
But when I think of Mel Gibson building his $42m church compound in Malibu, blithely telling interviewers at the time of the Passion of the Christ's release that his then wife would unfortunately be going to hell, because she was Church of England … well, I can't find it in myself to find him any less barking than Tom Cruise.
Clearly, Scientologists should be forced to justify their doctrinal lunacies – the only sadness is that other religions are apparently exempt from having to do the same. Imagine for a moment a Bashir-type interviewing some senior cardinal. "So," he might inquire, "you're saying that by some magic the communion wafer actually becomes the flesh of a man who died 2,000 years ago, a man who – and I don't want to put words into your mouth here – we might categorise as an imaginary friend who can hear the things you're thinking in your head? And when you've done that, do you mind going over the birth control stuff?"
What a shame that we see rather fewer of these exchanges, however amusing and useful a sideshow Scientology may be.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...ce-alien-fraud

geni · 2nd November 2009, 11:26 AM

Originally Posted by Vic Vega

I don't quite understand why this would be offensive? Does anyone know?

OT III and the wall of fire. If you haven't had the correct auditing done scientology doctrine holds that the xenu stuff can (and probably will) kill you.

GreyICE · 2nd November 2009, 01:27 PM

"How do you respond to the allegations that L Ron Hubbard raped and killed a 12 year old girl in 1990?"

Whiplash · 2nd November 2009, 01:59 PM

Originally Posted by GreyICE

"How do you respond to the allegations that L Ron Hubbard raped and killed a 12 year old girl in 1990?"

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooooooooooo!

Gord_in_Toronto · 2nd November 2009, 02:23 PM

Originally Posted by Whiplash

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooooooooooo!

Well exactly. He fled the US to evade been tried for tax evasion.

Rrose Selavy · 2nd November 2009, 02:29 PM

Originally Posted by GreyICE

"How do you respond to the allegations that L Ron Hubbard raped and killed a 12 year old girl in 1990?"

Now I'm confused. He died in 86.
Or did he?

=

Mark A. Siefert · 2nd November 2009, 02:53 PM

Originally Posted by Rrose Selavy

Now I'm confused. He died in 86.
Or did he?

=

Hmmmmm... when did Tom Cruise first join the Co$?

Marduk · 2nd November 2009, 03:39 PM

Originally Posted by Mark A. Siefert

Hmmmmm... when did Tom Cruise first join the Co$?

late 80s, he was still married to Mimi Rogers, by the time he married Nicole Kidman the scamologists arranged the wedding

hey little bit of trivia, Tom Cruise's real name is Thomas Cruise Mapother IV. So its not just his belief thats loony

TimCallahan · 2nd November 2009, 04:30 PM

Originally Posted by Rrose Selavy

Now I'm confused. He died in 86.
Or did he?

=

Yes, he died in 1986. However, priests of Xenu have secretly kept his brain alive in a fish tank, from which it projects vibrations that make people do strange things. While under its influence, Nicole Kidman married a guy who was so short she dwarfed him when she put on heels.

Gord_in_Toronto · 2nd November 2009, 04:46 PM

Originally Posted by TimCallahan

Yes, he died in 1986. However, priests of Xenu have secretly kept his brain alive in a fish tank, from which it projects vibrations that make people do strange things. While under its influence, Nicole Kidman married a guy who was so short she dwarfed him when she put on heels.

Besides which every $cientology "church" has a room set up waiting for Ron when he drops by. Swept daily by one of the lower level brain dead.

Rrose Selavy · 2nd November 2009, 04:54 PM

Originally Posted by GreyICE

"How do you respond to the allegations that L Ron Hubbard raped and killed a 12 year old girl in 1990?"

Still confused.

geni · 2nd November 2009, 05:06 PM

Originally Posted by Rrose Selavy

Still confused.

Internet meme derived from:
http://glennbeckrapedandmurderedayounggirlin1990.com/

Mark A. Siefert · 2nd November 2009, 05:20 PM

Originally Posted by Marduk

late 80s, he was still married to Mimi Rogers, by the time he married Nicole Kidman the scamologists arranged the wedding

hey little bit of trivia, Tom Cruise's real name is Thomas Cruise Mapother IV. So its not just his belief thats loony

Sooo...my brain transplant hypothesis is plausible!

Just imagine, L. Ron is dying. A lifetime of popping "pinks and grays" like M&Ms is finally catching up with him. He needs a handsome, well-known new body to be the vessel for his enlightened OT-whatever brain...

We need to test this... Joobz book us airfare to LA! Tim, you bring the chloroform! I'll bring the Milwaukee Sawzall!

Whiplash · 2nd November 2009, 05:49 PM

Originally Posted by Rrose Selavy

Still confused.

Originally Posted by geni

Internet meme derived from:
http://glennbeckrapedandmurderedayounggirlin1990.com/

And my NOoooooo! was because I have been someone who has railed against this meme somewhat aggressively (for right or for wrong). In a way of saying "Oh god, not again! please!!".

TimCallahan · 5th November 2009, 12:41 PM

Originally Posted by Gord_in_Toronto

Besides which every $cientology "church" has a room set up waiting for Ron when he drops by. Swept daily by one of the lower level brain dead.

Is this room sort of like the chair at Passover seders that's left empty for Elijah?

Gord_in_Toronto · 5th November 2009, 05:46 PM

Originally Posted by TimCallahan

Is this room sort of like the chair at Passover seders that's left empty for Elijah?

Don't ask me.

Ask Fred.

Toke · 5th November 2009, 05:50 PM

I can't believe nobody have mentioned this, from 3. November.

Rrose Selavy · 5th November 2009, 06:13 PM

It's the Dianetics & Scientology Holiday catalog!

Quote:

You are not serious about Scientology unless you have your own E-Meter. Not just any E-Meter, but the "Hubbard Mark Super VII Quantum E-Meter." A bargain at $4650 — or $5500 for the Planetary Dissemination Edition

http://jezebel.com/5394713/preclears...talog/gallery/

26th October 2009, 08:46 AM	#1
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26th October 2009, 09:39 AM	#2
Vic Vega Muse Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 595	I don't quite understand why this would be offensive? Does anyone know?
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26th October 2009, 09:56 AM	#3
headscratcher4 Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: USA Posts: 6,424	I think it is a dodge. It would have been "offensive" if he had denied it and Bashir's continued with the questioning. But note, he never addressed the question head-on...he just says its "offensive" and threatens to walk out.
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26th October 2009, 09:57 AM	#4
joobz Tergiversator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Inside the Magical Murder Bag Posts: 11,813	Well, claiming offense is the only logical way to defend a secret. If you are a SOOPER SEKRET organization with SOOPER important SEKRETS, you can't actually confirm or deny any claim to what those SEKRETS are. If you were to deny, then you effectively create a means for people to eventually discover your SOOPER SEKRETS. Claiming offense sets a tone that makes the person feel bad for even asking. It's a clever (albeit transparent) way of avoiding admitting they beleive in Batpoop crazy stuff.
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26th October 2009, 10:07 AM	#5
joobz Tergiversator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Inside the Magical Murder Bag Posts: 11,813	A more interesting line of questions would be a less direct one: 1.) Is scientology beliefs compatible with christianity? Islam?.... 2.) Is it true that scientologists beleive that we can all become better than what we are and are self impowering? 3.) Is this ability to improve us suggest that is something "keeping" us from being the best we coudl be? 4.) What is that thing and if it is a thing who caused it? or, another way, ask things that are even more rediculous and see if they will deny it. 1.Some people suggest scientologists beleive milk enemas are required for becoming clear, is this true? 2. Do you believe that there is no god and that the universe is actually a giant panda nipple?
	__________________ "Joobz you can be something else sometimes."- DOC "Hopefully joobz can one day be totally objective and unbiased ..." - DOC

26th October 2009, 11:03 AM	#6
Lucian Muse Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 705	Originally Posted by joobz A more interesting line of questions would be a less direct one: 1.) Is scientology beliefs compatible with christianity? Islam?.... 2.) Is it true that scientologists beleive that we can all become better than what we are and are self impowering? 3.) Is this ability to improve us suggest that is something "keeping" us from being the best we coudl be? 4.) What is that thing and if it is a thing who caused it? or, another way, ask things that are even more rediculous and see if they will deny it. 1.Some people suggest scientologists beleive milk enemas are required for becoming clear, is this true? 2. Do you believe that there is no god and that the universe is actually a giant panda nipple? As a Panda Nipplonian, I find that comment offensive and glib.
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26th October 2009, 11:39 AM	#7
Rrose Selavy Graduate Poster Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: UK Posts: 1,156	Martin Bashir was supposed to be working on a Biog of Cruise a while back - maybe this is part of it or a result of his "research" ?

26th October 2009, 11:52 AM	#8
Filippo Lippi Muse Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Nottingham Posts: 663	Originally Posted by Lucian As a Panda Nipplonian, I find that comment offensive and glib. Where do you want me to put this nickel?
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26th October 2009, 12:53 PM	#9
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 14,452	Paul Haggis, one of the top Film Writters in Hollywood, had quit the CO$ and has written a blistering letter to it's head explaining why. Biggest name defector so far. Watch him get the treatment from the CO$ now.

26th October 2009, 01:53 PM	#10
Careyp74 Graduate Poster Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Trevose, PA Posts: 1,656	can't blame him. Those beliefs of the church are for the top members. By the time he found out that the founders believed them, they already had so much dirt on him and had him locked in so much that he couldn't get out. Now he is stuck there, don't make him squirm. We should jump in and save him. Witness protection, change his name, get what we know about Scientology out of him, and set him free.

29th October 2009, 05:57 PM	#11
TimCallahan Graduate Poster Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,002	Considering that the whole point of getting clear is to expell one's thetans, their existence and the whole Xenu thing would seem to be central to the religious dogma of Scientology. Interviewers should make a point of bringing this wacky scenario up every time they talk to any Scientologists. They should also have Hubbard's work right in their hands when they do so. Thus they can quote him. However, what would be best would be to find a way to get one of these devious sons-of-*****es on a witness stand in a court of law, where they can't walk out and can't decline to answer the question without being found in contempt of court. Ideally, this would be done in a civil case, where the witness couldn't plead the fifth.

2nd November 2009, 11:12 AM	#12
Rrose Selavy Graduate Poster Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: UK Posts: 1,156	Interesting commentary here: Quote: Yet there is the rub. In France, Scientology is deemed a sect as opposed to a religion, which is why they are required to produce evidence for their claims, where recognised religious leaders are not. For those of us who believe that all religions are full of tall tales, this might seem slightly unfair. Admittedly, it costs more financially to be lied to by Scientology than it does to be taken on an equally evidence-free journey by other faiths, and we should not for a moment gloss over the cruel and repulsive way in which the church has hounded their critics. But when I think of Mel Gibson building his $42m church compound in Malibu, blithely telling interviewers at the time of the Passion of the Christ's release that his then wife would unfortunately be going to hell, because she was Church of England … well, I can't find it in myself to find him any less barking than Tom Cruise. Clearly, Scientologists should be forced to justify their doctrinal lunacies – the only sadness is that other religions are apparently exempt from having to do the same. Imagine for a moment a Bashir-type interviewing some senior cardinal. "So," he might inquire, "you're saying that by some magic the communion wafer actually becomes the flesh of a man who died 2,000 years ago, a man who – and I don't want to put words into your mouth here – we might categorise as an imaginary friend who can hear the things you're thinking in your head? And when you've done that, do you mind going over the birth control stuff?" What a shame that we see rather fewer of these exchanges, however amusing and useful a sideshow Scientology may be. http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...ce-alien-fraud

2nd November 2009, 11:26 AM	#13
geni Anti-homeopathy illuminati member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: UK Posts: 20,280	Originally Posted by Vic Vega I don't quite understand why this would be offensive? Does anyone know? OT III and the wall of fire. If you haven't had the correct auditing done scientology doctrine holds that the xenu stuff can (and probably will) kill you.

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Whiplash Acting like a maniac Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Shipwrecked and Comatose Posts: 4,004	Originally Posted by GreyICE "How do you respond to the allegations that L Ron Hubbard raped and killed a 12 year old girl in 1990?" NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooooooooooo!
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Gord_in_Toronto Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 8,172	Originally Posted by Whiplash NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooooooooooo! Well exactly. He fled the US to evade been tried for tax evasion.
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Rrose Selavy Graduate Poster Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: UK Posts: 1,156	Originally Posted by GreyICE "How do you respond to the allegations that L Ron Hubbard raped and killed a 12 year old girl in 1990?" Now I'm confused. He died in 86. Or did he? =

2nd November 2009, 02:53 PM	#18
Mark A. Siefert Illuminator Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Muskego, WI. Posts: 3,169	Originally Posted by Rrose Selavy Now I'm confused. He died in 86. Or did he? = Hmmmmm... when did Tom Cruise first join the Co$?
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Marduk Dragon Killer Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Newbury, Berkshire Posts: 3,075	Originally Posted by Mark A. Siefert Hmmmmm... when did Tom Cruise first join the Co$? late 80s, he was still married to Mimi Rogers, by the time he married Nicole Kidman the scamologists arranged the wedding hey little bit of trivia, Tom Cruise's real name is Thomas Cruise Mapother IV. So its not just his belief thats loony
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TimCallahan Graduate Poster Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,002	Originally Posted by Rrose Selavy Now I'm confused. He died in 86. Or did he? = Yes, he died in 1986. However, priests of Xenu have secretly kept his brain alive in a fish tank, from which it projects vibrations that make people do strange things. While under its influence, Nicole Kidman married a guy who was so short she dwarfed him when she put on heels.

2nd November 2009, 04:46 PM	#21
Gord_in_Toronto Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 8,172	Originally Posted by TimCallahan Yes, he died in 1986. However, priests of Xenu have secretly kept his brain alive in a fish tank, from which it projects vibrations that make people do strange things. While under its influence, Nicole Kidman married a guy who was so short she dwarfed him when she put on heels. Besides which every $cientology "church" has a room set up waiting for Ron when he drops by. Swept daily by one of the lower level brain dead.
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2nd November 2009, 04:54 PM	#22
Rrose Selavy Graduate Poster Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: UK Posts: 1,156	Originally Posted by GreyICE "How do you respond to the allegations that L Ron Hubbard raped and killed a 12 year old girl in 1990?" Still confused.

2nd November 2009, 05:06 PM	#23
geni Anti-homeopathy illuminati member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: UK Posts: 20,280	Originally Posted by Rrose Selavy Still confused. Internet meme derived from: http://glennbeckrapedandmurderedayounggirlin1990.com/

2nd November 2009, 05:20 PM	#24
Mark A. Siefert Illuminator Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Muskego, WI. Posts: 3,169	Originally Posted by Marduk late 80s, he was still married to Mimi Rogers, by the time he married Nicole Kidman the scamologists arranged the wedding hey little bit of trivia, Tom Cruise's real name is Thomas Cruise Mapother IV. So its not just his belief thats loony Sooo...my brain transplant hypothesis is plausible! Just imagine, L. Ron is dying. A lifetime of popping "pinks and grays" like M&Ms is finally catching up with him. He needs a handsome, well-known new body to be the vessel for his enlightened OT-whatever brain... We need to test this... Joobz book us airfare to LA! Tim, you bring the chloroform! I'll bring the Milwaukee Sawzall!
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2nd November 2009, 05:49 PM	#25
Whiplash Acting like a maniac Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Shipwrecked and Comatose Posts: 4,004	Originally Posted by Rrose Selavy Still confused. Originally Posted by geni Internet meme derived from: http://glennbeckrapedandmurderedayounggirlin1990.com/ And my NOoooooo! was because I have been someone who has railed against this meme somewhat aggressively (for right or for wrong). In a way of saying "Oh god, not again! please!!".
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5th November 2009, 12:41 PM	#26
TimCallahan Graduate Poster Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,002	Originally Posted by Gord_in_Toronto Besides which every $cientology "church" has a room set up waiting for Ron when he drops by. Swept daily by one of the lower level brain dead. Is this room sort of like the chair at Passover seders that's left empty for Elijah?

5th November 2009, 05:46 PM	#27
Gord_in_Toronto Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 8,172	Originally Posted by TimCallahan Is this room sort of like the chair at Passover seders that's left empty for Elijah? Don't ask me. Ask Fred.
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5th November 2009, 05:50 PM	#28
Toke Godless Socialist Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Denmark Posts: 4,180	I can't believe nobody have mentioned this, from 3. November.
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5th November 2009, 06:13 PM	#29
Rrose Selavy Graduate Poster Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: UK Posts: 1,156	It's the Dianetics & Scientology Holiday catalog! Quote: You are not serious about Scientology unless you have your own E-Meter. Not just any E-Meter, but the "Hubbard Mark Super VII Quantum E-Meter." A bargain at $4650 — or $5500 for the Planetary Dissemination Edition http://jezebel.com/5394713/preclears...talog/gallery/