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GreyICE · 27th October 2009, 09:52 AM

Recently, a Democrat has made comments comparable to the ones that Republicans regularly make about Democrats and Democratic officials. In response, the liberal media has taken a show of solidarity with their crazy brethren.

http://www.salon.com/news/politics/w.../10/27/grayson

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1009/28763.html

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/1..._n_335447.html

I'm glad the conservatives and liberals are so comparable in their self-policing. Lets have the WND articles calling out prominent conservatives for their remarks about Obama, shall we? A good round of criticism for the 'enemy of humanity' comment? Come on, calling the President an enemy of humanity, surely the conservative blogs were all over that as way out of line.

ANTPogo · 27th October 2009, 10:02 AM

But...but...both sides are bad!!

oldhat · 27th October 2009, 10:19 AM

Yes, but why are you ignoring the fact that Michael Moore is fat?

Also, Bill Clinton.

Darth Rotor · 27th October 2009, 11:46 AM

Originally Posted by oldhat

Yes, but why are you ignoring the fact that Michael Moore is fat?

Also, Bill Clinton.

Why do you hate the McDonald's diet?

Brainster · 27th October 2009, 12:34 PM

Wow, they really slammed him. Let's try Salon:

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Worrying about the Fed’s independence by telling Jones that someone there is a “K Street whore” is like telling a Klansman that the Iraq War was waged at the behest of Jewish neoconservatives looking out for Israel. It’s not that there isn’t a kernel of a point there. But making the point in such red-meat language, to such an audience, encourages paranoid, and often scary, ideas.

Dina Titus, representative from Nevada thundered:

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Democrat Dina Titus of Nevada called Grayson’s remarks “a bit extreme and rather sexist.”

And there is no denunciation of Grayson at the Huffington Post. In fact, check out the comments on that post:

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OMG...I LOVE THIS GUY!!!!!

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"She's a career lobbyist who used to work for Enron and advocates for whatever she gets paid to promote."

That certainly defines a K street whore very well, IMHO.

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where can we get some grayson clones to distribute across the land?

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LOVE this guy...on his donor list and will continue....don't you just love it how the bullies cry like the cowards they truly are when someone has the audacity to punch them back....I hope this emboldens all of you feckless liberals that are above alienating the utter failures that have been holding this country hostage. You will NEVER be able to reason or have a rational discourse with stupid. It's all about getting on their level and drilling them into oblivion...stay tuned

Not carefully chosen comments, mind you, but the first four.

And I will predict that if Lefty Sarge comments on this thread it will be to echo Grayson's comments. Does that qualify me for the million?

Personally, I think the fact that the guy appeared on the Alex Jones show indicates he's non compos.

GreyICE · 27th October 2009, 12:50 PM

Oh noes, a carefully chosen set of comments by Our Official Spin Doctor^TM.

Lets check what Salon actually said:

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Besides, it’s pretty inappropriate for a congressman to resort to calling someone he’s in a personal spat with a “whore,” especially a woman. In a statement released Tuesday, after the quote resurfaced and started making news, Grayson’s spokesman didn’t really improve matters:

[spokesman's statment]

Great, so it’s not so much that Grayson is worried about the Fed’s independence -- he's more just pissed that Robertson hasn’t paid him sufficient personal deference.

I agree, that represents a nice gentle handling of the man.

Politico chose to do it through the statements of other Democrats, yes:

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“There’s no call for that language. No call for it. That’s absurd. If he was standing here now, I’d say that to him,” said Rep. Bill Pascrell (D-N.J.)

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It’s clear that his colleagues’ opinion of him has suffered.

“Is this news to you that this guy’s one fry short of a Happy Meal?” asked Rep. Anthony Weiner (D-N.Y.)

Some more soft glove treatment.

Finally, he resorts to the comments section. Newswave - internet commentary on news articles is insane. I can link to freeperville comment section on every conservative story.

But don't worry, Our Glorious Spin Doctor^TM will be along after these messages to take more lines out of context to make it look not bad.

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The remarks are the latest to surface in a string of controversial statements by Grayson, who said on the Alex Jones radio show that he believes Robertson, a former Enron lobbyist, is not qualified to pass judgment on intricate financial matters.

LOOK! Politico took background on the story! That means they don't condemn it enough! Now I understand why WND is sure to put a foaming at the mouth crazy tirade in every paragraph - short attention spans.

Whiplash · 27th October 2009, 12:55 PM

Originally Posted by oldhat

Yes, but why are you ignoring the fact that Michael Moore is fat?

Also, Bill Clinton.

Wow, I'm actually starting to get embarrassed for you. That doesn't happen often. Seriously, it's not as clever as you think, and you've beaten it to death a dozen times over by now.

And it ultimately boils down to whining that the right keeps calling him fat. Just whining. Period. Doesn't that set in for you?

ETA: Before GreyICE hits me with the inevitable questions to demonstrate whether I'm a hypocrite or not, yes it's wonderful that some on the left are calling this guy out. Yes, it would be great if some conservative commentators made similar statements about the nuts on the right. Ok, satisfied?

GreyICE · 27th October 2009, 01:11 PM

Originally Posted by Whiplash

Wow, I'm actually starting to get embarrassed for you. That doesn't happen often. Seriously, it's not as clever as you think, and you've beaten it to death a dozen times over by now.

And it ultimately boils down to whining that the right keeps calling him fat. Just whining. Period. Doesn't that set in for you?

ETA: Before GreyICE hits me with the inevitable questions to demonstrate whether I'm a hypocrite or not, yes it's wonderful that some on the left are calling this guy out. Yes, it would be great if some conservative commentators made similar statements about the nuts on the right. Ok, satisfied?

Actually, yes. I have no problem with criticism of other posters on this board either

It's just nice when that doesn't detract from consideration of subject in question (and yes, I'm not totally clean in that regard myself).

Brainster · 27th October 2009, 01:22 PM

But plenty of conservatives have criticized World Net Daily.

Jon Henke of NextRight:

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No respectable organization should support the kind of fringe idiocy that WND peddles. Those who do are not respectable.

I think it's time to find out what conservative/libertarian organizations support WND through advertising, list rental or other commercial collaboration (email me if you know of any), and boycott any of those organizations that will not renounce any further support for WorldNetDaily.

Media Matters noted awhile ago that many conservatives have denounced Glenn Beck:

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Former Bush speechwriter Peter Wehner: "[T]he role Glenn Beck is playing is harmful in its totality."

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On September 21, conservative radio host Mark Levin attacked Beck for saying in an interview with CBS Evening News anchor Katie Couric that "John McCain would have been worse for the country than Barack Obama." According to Levin, "To say [McCain] would be worse is mindless, incoherent, as a matter of fact." Levin later added: "I think there's enormous confusion and positioning and pandering. It may be entertaining, but from my perspective, it's not. It's pathetic."

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In the blog post, Frum discussed Beck's smears against Obama administration official Cass Sunstein and stated: "Glenn Beck is not the first to make a pleasant living for himself by reckless defamation. We have seen his kind before in American journalism and American politics, and the good news is that their careers never last long. But the bad news is that while their careers do last, such people do terrible damage."

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On ABC's The View, co-host Elisabeth Hasselbeck said of Beck's "racist" comment: "There's danger in what he said, too. ... That was a bit sensationalist to go and say something like this. And I think whenever you throw that word out at somebody, you better be able to back it up. And he's not able to."

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In addition to media conservatives, GOP Rep. Inglis told town hall attendees to turn off Beck's show. At an August town hall event, Republican Rep. Bob Inglis (SC) said to attendees who watch Glenn Beck: "Turn that television off."

So that assumption is wrong, too.

Brainster · 27th October 2009, 03:08 PM

And who does show some solidarity with Grayson?

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Obama, in introducing the members of Congress in attendance, called Grayson – along with Florida Reps. Debbie Wasserman-Schultz and Kendrick Meek – as “outstanding members of Congress.”

DOH!

applecorped · 27th October 2009, 03:14 PM

Originally Posted by oldhat

Yes, but why are you ignoring the fact that Michael Moore is fat?

Also, Bill Clinton.

And Scalia.

gtc · 27th October 2009, 05:29 PM

Originally Posted by Brainster

Wow, they really slammed him. Let's try Salon:

Is he really saying that there is some truth to the claim that Jews loyal to Israel were behind the Iraq war?

I think this thread and this thread are relevant. Here Brainster was calling out his fellow Conservatives who were spreading the CT that Ayers wrote Obama's book. And yet he had to spend a lot of time trying to convince some (not all) Liberals that he was serious.

LGF is another example of a Conservative criticising their own side.

Brainster · 27th October 2009, 06:36 PM

Originally Posted by gtc

Is he really saying that there is some truth to the claim that Jews loyal to Israel were behind the Iraq war?

That was the way I read it; his real objection seemed to be that you don't say that in front of the KKK, because they might take it the wrong way.

BTW, to add a little context to the story, apparently the original battle between Grayson and the (former) lobbyist was over some pretty standard kookery, which was why the guy was on the Alex Jones show in the first place:

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"She attacked the Congressman and his efforts to promote a Republican bill to audit the Federal Reserve," Jurkowski said.

Jurkowski is Grayson's spokesman.

GreyICE · 27th October 2009, 10:46 PM

Originally Posted by gtc

Is he really saying that there is some truth to the claim that Jews loyal to Israel were behind the Iraq war?

I think this thread and this thread are relevant. Here Brainster was calling out his fellow Conservatives who were spreading the CT that Ayers wrote Obama's book. And yet he had to spend a lot of time trying to convince some (not all) Liberals that he was serious.

LGF is another example of a Conservative criticising their own side.

Wait. Did you seriously just compare multiple Democratic members of congress criticizing one of their own to a poster on the JREF? Relevancy fail.

Also grats on not reading the article but making snap judgments on the basis of Spin Doctor^TM quotes.

GreyICE · 27th October 2009, 10:53 PM

By the way, I checked out Spin Doctor^TM links. Turns out that Obama's rousing endorsement was to introduce every Democrat at his speech and lump them together with a nice complement. He even mispronounced one of their names. That's been Spun^TM into a show of solidarity.

I suppose next the fact that other democrats also get labeled D-XX on television will be spun into a show of support.

gtc · 27th October 2009, 10:53 PM

Originally Posted by GreyICE

Wait. Did you seriously just compare multiple Democratic members of congress criticizing one of their own to a poster on the JREF? Relevancy fail.

Read your own OP again. You are asking for examples of conservatives criticising their own and you specifically referred to conservatives in the media and the blogosphere not just politicians.

Originally Posted by GreyICE

Also grats on not reading the article but making snap judgments on the basis of Spin Doctor^TM quotes.

I read the article, in fact you will notice that I referred to it. What Spin Doctor are you talking about? Brainster?

GreyICE · 28th October 2009, 05:16 AM

Originally Posted by gtc

Read your own OP again. You are asking for examples of conservatives criticising their own and you specifically referred to conservatives in the media and the blogosphere not just politicians.

I referred to the entire band of criticism, which I was showing a sampling of (which included criticism by congressmembers, media outlets commonly considered 'liberal' and other sources). I don't think a thread in the JREF forum really measures up to that standard. As for LFG, it's a step in the right direction, but it doesn't really compare with, say, congressmembers and 'liberal media' outlets.

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I read the article, in fact you will notice that I referred to it. What Spin Doctor are you talking about? Brainster?

I cannot comment on other members of this forum, whose intent to legitimately discuss and debate versus their intent to spin, lie, and disassemble must be judged by each person on a case-by-case basis. I can only suggest that one examines posters in the contexts of their writings.

gtc · 28th October 2009, 05:54 AM

Originally Posted by GreyICE

I referred to the entire band of criticism, which I was showing a sampling of (which included criticism by congressmembers, media outlets commonly considered 'liberal' and other sources). I don't think a thread in the JREF forum really measures up to that standard. As for LFG, it's a step in the right direction, but it doesn't really compare with, say, congressmembers and 'liberal media' outlets.

In which case you have moved the goal posts as your OP was asking for examples from blogs.

Originally Posted by GreyICE

I cannot comment on other members of this forum, whose intent to legitimately discuss and debate versus their intent to spin, lie, and disassemble must be judged by each person on a case-by-case basis. I can only suggest that one examines posters in the contexts of their writings.

I am under the impression that a spin doctor is someone who is a paid PR professional. It sounds like you are veering into CT territory here.

GreyICE · 28th October 2009, 05:57 AM

Originally Posted by gtc

In which case you have moved the goal posts as your OP was asking for examples from blogs.

O RLY?

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I am under the impression that a spin doctor is someone who is a paid PR professional. It sounds like you are veering into CT territory here.

I was under impression that the methods were more important than the compensation when considering a person's role.

gtc · 28th October 2009, 05:59 AM

Yes. Really.

Originally Posted by GreyICE

Lets have the WND articles calling out prominent conservatives for their remarks about Obama, shall we?

surely the conservative blogs were all over that as way out of line.

I accept that you weren't suggesting that Brainster is paid for his opinions.

GreyICE · 28th October 2009, 06:09 AM

Originally Posted by gtc

Yes. Really.

I also asked for other news sources as well. But sure, LGF. Boldly criticizing the right. Works for me.

gtc · 28th October 2009, 06:17 AM

Originally Posted by GreyICE

I also asked for other news sources as well.

If I refuse to jump through your arbitrary hoops then you get to declare victory over ~~the forces of evil~~ the right and I get to decide that you are a dishonest Demonrat*.

So we both win.

*Sorry, according to a well known member's signature I should call you a dishonest member of the Demonratic Party.

27th October 2009, 09:52 AM	#1
GreyICE Guest Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 7,173	Liberals show more of the same solidarity that the right wing does Recently, a Democrat has made comments comparable to the ones that Republicans regularly make about Democrats and Democratic officials. In response, the liberal media has taken a show of solidarity with their crazy brethren. http://www.salon.com/news/politics/w.../10/27/grayson http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1009/28763.html http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/1..._n_335447.html I'm glad the conservatives and liberals are so comparable in their self-policing. Lets have the WND articles calling out prominent conservatives for their remarks about Obama, shall we? A good round of criticism for the 'enemy of humanity' comment? Come on, calling the President an enemy of humanity, surely the conservative blogs were all over that as way out of line.
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27th October 2009, 10:19 AM	#3
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27th October 2009, 11:46 AM	#4
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27th October 2009, 12:34 PM	#5
Brainster Penultimate Amazing Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 10,541	Wow, they really slammed him. Let's try Salon: Quote: Worrying about the Fed’s independence by telling Jones that someone there is a “K Street whore” is like telling a Klansman that the Iraq War was waged at the behest of Jewish neoconservatives looking out for Israel. It’s not that there isn’t a kernel of a point there. But making the point in such red-meat language, to such an audience, encourages paranoid, and often scary, ideas. Dina Titus, representative from Nevada thundered: Quote: Democrat Dina Titus of Nevada called Grayson’s remarks “a bit extreme and rather sexist.” And there is no denunciation of Grayson at the Huffington Post. In fact, check out the comments on that post: Quote: OMG...I LOVE THIS GUY!!!!! Quote: "She's a career lobbyist who used to work for Enron and advocates for whatever she gets paid to promote." That certainly defines a K street whore very well, IMHO. Quote: where can we get some grayson clones to distribute across the land? Quote: LOVE this guy...on his donor list and will continue....don't you just love it how the bullies cry like the cowards they truly are when someone has the audacity to punch them back....I hope this emboldens all of you feckless liberals that are above alienating the utter failures that have been holding this country hostage. You will NEVER be able to reason or have a rational discourse with stupid. It's all about getting on their level and drilling them into oblivion...stay tuned Not carefully chosen comments, mind you, but the first four. And I will predict that if Lefty Sarge comments on this thread it will be to echo Grayson's comments. Does that qualify me for the million? Personally, I think the fact that the guy appeared on the Alex Jones show indicates he's non compos.
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27th October 2009, 12:50 PM	#6
GreyICE Guest Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 7,173	Oh noes, a carefully chosen set of comments by Our Official Spin Doctor^TM. Lets check what Salon actually said: Quote: Besides, it’s pretty inappropriate for a congressman to resort to calling someone he’s in a personal spat with a “whore,” especially a woman. In a statement released Tuesday, after the quote resurfaced and started making news, Grayson’s spokesman didn’t really improve matters: [spokesman's statment] Great, so it’s not so much that Grayson is worried about the Fed’s independence -- he's more just pissed that Robertson hasn’t paid him sufficient personal deference. I agree, that represents a nice gentle handling of the man. Politico chose to do it through the statements of other Democrats, yes: Quote: “There’s no call for that language. No call for it. That’s absurd. If he was standing here now, I’d say that to him,” said Rep. Bill Pascrell (D-N.J.) Quote: It’s clear that his colleagues’ opinion of him has suffered. “Is this news to you that this guy’s one fry short of a Happy Meal?” asked Rep. Anthony Weiner (D-N.Y.) Some more soft glove treatment. Finally, he resorts to the comments section. Newswave - internet commentary on news articles is insane. I can link to freeperville comment section on every conservative story. But don't worry, Our Glorious Spin Doctor^TM will be along after these messages to take more lines out of context to make it look not bad. Quote: The remarks are the latest to surface in a string of controversial statements by Grayson, who said on the Alex Jones radio show that he believes Robertson, a former Enron lobbyist, is not qualified to pass judgment on intricate financial matters. LOOK! Politico took background on the story! That means they don't condemn it enough! Now I understand why WND is sure to put a foaming at the mouth crazy tirade in every paragraph - short attention spans.
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27th October 2009, 10:02 AM	#2
ANTPogo Unique Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Birmingham, AL Posts: 9,595	But...but...both sides are bad!!

27th October 2009, 12:55 PM	#7
Whiplash Acting like a maniac Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Shipwrecked and Comatose Posts: 5,389	Originally Posted by oldhat Yes, but why are you ignoring the fact that Michael Moore is fat? Also, Bill Clinton. Wow, I'm actually starting to get embarrassed for you. That doesn't happen often. Seriously, it's not as clever as you think, and you've beaten it to death a dozen times over by now. And it ultimately boils down to whining that the right keeps calling him fat. Just whining. Period. Doesn't that set in for you? ETA: Before GreyICE hits me with the inevitable questions to demonstrate whether I'm a hypocrite or not, yes it's wonderful that some on the left are calling this guy out. Yes, it would be great if some conservative commentators made similar statements about the nuts on the right. Ok, satisfied?
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27th October 2009, 01:11 PM	#8
GreyICE Guest Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 7,173	Originally Posted by Whiplash Wow, I'm actually starting to get embarrassed for you. That doesn't happen often. Seriously, it's not as clever as you think, and you've beaten it to death a dozen times over by now. And it ultimately boils down to whining that the right keeps calling him fat. Just whining. Period. Doesn't that set in for you? ETA: Before GreyICE hits me with the inevitable questions to demonstrate whether I'm a hypocrite or not, yes it's wonderful that some on the left are calling this guy out. Yes, it would be great if some conservative commentators made similar statements about the nuts on the right. Ok, satisfied? Actually, yes. I have no problem with criticism of other posters on this board either It's just nice when that doesn't detract from consideration of subject in question (and yes, I'm not totally clean in that regard myself).
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27th October 2009, 01:22 PM	#9
Brainster Penultimate Amazing Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 10,541	But plenty of conservatives have criticized World Net Daily. Jon Henke of NextRight: Quote: No respectable organization should support the kind of fringe idiocy that WND peddles. Those who do are not respectable. I think it's time to find out what conservative/libertarian organizations support WND through advertising, list rental or other commercial collaboration (email me if you know of any), and boycott any of those organizations that will not renounce any further support for WorldNetDaily. Media Matters noted awhile ago that many conservatives have denounced Glenn Beck: Quote: Former Bush speechwriter Peter Wehner: "[T]he role Glenn Beck is playing is harmful in its totality." Quote: On September 21, conservative radio host Mark Levin attacked Beck for saying in an interview with CBS Evening News anchor Katie Couric that "John McCain would have been worse for the country than Barack Obama." According to Levin, "To say [McCain] would be worse is mindless, incoherent, as a matter of fact." Levin later added: "I think there's enormous confusion and positioning and pandering. It may be entertaining, but from my perspective, it's not. It's pathetic." Quote: In the blog post, Frum discussed Beck's smears against Obama administration official Cass Sunstein and stated: "Glenn Beck is not the first to make a pleasant living for himself by reckless defamation. We have seen his kind before in American journalism and American politics, and the good news is that their careers never last long. But the bad news is that while their careers do last, such people do terrible damage." Quote: On ABC's The View, co-host Elisabeth Hasselbeck said of Beck's "racist" comment: "There's danger in what he said, too. ... That was a bit sensationalist to go and say something like this. And I think whenever you throw that word out at somebody, you better be able to back it up. And he's not able to." Quote: In addition to media conservatives, GOP Rep. Inglis told town hall attendees to turn off Beck's show. At an August town hall event, Republican Rep. Bob Inglis (SC) said to attendees who watch Glenn Beck: "Turn that television off." So that assumption is wrong, too.
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27th October 2009, 03:08 PM	#10
Brainster Penultimate Amazing Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 10,541	And who does show some solidarity with Grayson? Quote: Obama, in introducing the members of Congress in attendance, called Grayson – along with Florida Reps. Debbie Wasserman-Schultz and Kendrick Meek – as “outstanding members of Congress.” DOH!
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27th October 2009, 03:14 PM	#11
applecorped Rotten to the Core Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 10,831	Originally Posted by oldhat Yes, but why are you ignoring the fact that Michael Moore is fat? Also, Bill Clinton. And Scalia.
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27th October 2009, 05:29 PM	#12
gtc Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: the downunderverse Posts: 7,114	Originally Posted by Brainster Wow, they really slammed him. Let's try Salon: Is he really saying that there is some truth to the claim that Jews loyal to Israel were behind the Iraq war? I think this thread and this thread are relevant. Here Brainster was calling out his fellow Conservatives who were spreading the CT that Ayers wrote Obama's book. And yet he had to spend a lot of time trying to convince some (not all) Liberals that he was serious. LGF is another example of a Conservative criticising their own side.
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27th October 2009, 06:36 PM	#13
Brainster Penultimate Amazing Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 10,541	Originally Posted by gtc Is he really saying that there is some truth to the claim that Jews loyal to Israel were behind the Iraq war? That was the way I read it; his real objection seemed to be that you don't say that in front of the KKK, because they might take it the wrong way. BTW, to add a little context to the story, apparently the original battle between Grayson and the (former) lobbyist was over some pretty standard kookery, which was why the guy was on the Alex Jones show in the first place: Quote: "She attacked the Congressman and his efforts to promote a Republican bill to audit the Federal Reserve," Jurkowski said. Jurkowski is Grayson's spokesman.
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27th October 2009, 10:46 PM	#14
GreyICE Guest Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 7,173	Originally Posted by gtc Is he really saying that there is some truth to the claim that Jews loyal to Israel were behind the Iraq war? I think this thread and this thread are relevant. Here Brainster was calling out his fellow Conservatives who were spreading the CT that Ayers wrote Obama's book. And yet he had to spend a lot of time trying to convince some (not all) Liberals that he was serious. LGF is another example of a Conservative criticising their own side. Wait. Did you seriously just compare multiple Democratic members of congress criticizing one of their own to a poster on the JREF? Relevancy fail. Also grats on not reading the article but making snap judgments on the basis of Spin Doctor^TM quotes.
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27th October 2009, 10:53 PM	#15
GreyICE Guest Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 7,173	By the way, I checked out Spin Doctor^TM links. Turns out that Obama's rousing endorsement was to introduce every Democrat at his speech and lump them together with a nice complement. He even mispronounced one of their names. That's been Spun^TM into a show of solidarity. I suppose next the fact that other democrats also get labeled D-XX on television will be spun into a show of support.
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27th October 2009, 10:53 PM	#16
gtc Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: the downunderverse Posts: 7,114	Originally Posted by GreyICE Wait. Did you seriously just compare multiple Democratic members of congress criticizing one of their own to a poster on the JREF? Relevancy fail. Read your own OP again. You are asking for examples of conservatives criticising their own and you specifically referred to conservatives in the media and the blogosphere not just politicians. Originally Posted by GreyICE Also grats on not reading the article but making snap judgments on the basis of Spin Doctor^TM quotes. I read the article, in fact you will notice that I referred to it. What Spin Doctor are you talking about? Brainster?
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28th October 2009, 05:16 AM	#17
GreyICE Guest Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 7,173	Originally Posted by gtc Read your own OP again. You are asking for examples of conservatives criticising their own and you specifically referred to conservatives in the media and the blogosphere not just politicians. I referred to the entire band of criticism, which I was showing a sampling of (which included criticism by congressmembers, media outlets commonly considered 'liberal' and other sources). I don't think a thread in the JREF forum really measures up to that standard. As for LFG, it's a step in the right direction, but it doesn't really compare with, say, congressmembers and 'liberal media' outlets. Quote: I read the article, in fact you will notice that I referred to it. What Spin Doctor are you talking about? Brainster? I cannot comment on other members of this forum, whose intent to legitimately discuss and debate versus their intent to spin, lie, and disassemble must be judged by each person on a case-by-case basis. I can only suggest that one examines posters in the contexts of their writings.
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28th October 2009, 05:54 AM	#18
gtc Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: the downunderverse Posts: 7,114	Originally Posted by GreyICE I referred to the entire band of criticism, which I was showing a sampling of (which included criticism by congressmembers, media outlets commonly considered 'liberal' and other sources). I don't think a thread in the JREF forum really measures up to that standard. As for LFG, it's a step in the right direction, but it doesn't really compare with, say, congressmembers and 'liberal media' outlets. In which case you have moved the goal posts as your OP was asking for examples from blogs. Originally Posted by GreyICE I cannot comment on other members of this forum, whose intent to legitimately discuss and debate versus their intent to spin, lie, and disassemble must be judged by each person on a case-by-case basis. I can only suggest that one examines posters in the contexts of their writings. I am under the impression that a spin doctor is someone who is a paid PR professional. It sounds like you are veering into CT territory here.
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28th October 2009, 05:57 AM	#19
GreyICE Guest Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 7,173	Originally Posted by gtc In which case you have moved the goal posts as your OP was asking for examples from blogs. O RLY? Quote: I am under the impression that a spin doctor is someone who is a paid PR professional. It sounds like you are veering into CT territory here. I was under impression that the methods were more important than the compensation when considering a person's role.
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28th October 2009, 05:59 AM	#20
gtc Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: the downunderverse Posts: 7,114	Yes. Really. Originally Posted by GreyICE Lets have the WND articles calling out prominent conservatives for their remarks about Obama, shall we? surely the conservative blogs were all over that as way out of line. I accept that you weren't suggesting that Brainster is paid for his opinions.
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28th October 2009, 06:09 AM	#21
GreyICE Guest Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 7,173	Originally Posted by gtc Yes. Really. I also asked for other news sources as well. But sure, LGF. Boldly criticizing the right. Works for me.
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28th October 2009, 06:17 AM	#22
gtc Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: the downunderverse Posts: 7,114	Originally Posted by GreyICE I also asked for other news sources as well. If I refuse to jump through your arbitrary hoops then you get to declare victory over ~~the forces of evil~~ the right and I get to decide that you are a dishonest Demonrat. So we both win. Sorry, according to a well known member's signature I should call you a dishonest member of the Demonratic Party.
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