1999 Russia terror bombings vs 9-11

[Thunder]

In 1999, 4 bombings went off in Russia that killed hundreds of civilians. The bombings were blaimed on Chechen militants, Vladimir Putin vowed to defeat the evil terrorists, and Putin became President and started the 2nd Chechen war, killings thousands.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian...nt_involvement

but yet, there is a great deal of evidence that these bombings were actually an inside-job, orchestrated by Vladimir Putin and his former KGB buddies, in order to instill fear and panic in the Russian people, so that Putin can become the great savior, win the upcoming election, and start a massive new war.

but for some reason, this event and the huge amount of evidence supporting it, has fallen on deaf ears, especially in comparison to 9-11.

but yet, the evidence for this being an inside job is quite clear, solid, and hard core, while the evidence for 9-11 being an inside-job, is...well........just pure wacky woo.

so WHY are 9-11 conspiracy theories soooo very popular....and 1999 Russia bombing conspiracy theories just...plain ignored?

......I think I know why!!!

People around the world, and even in America, LOVE to hate America.

And, even more, people around the world, and in the USA, despised George W. Bush. (rightfully so )

So, 9-11 conspiracy theories were a perfect avenue for directing one's anti-American and anti-Bush feelings.

But, people don't really hate Russia..or Vladimir Putin...or even Putin's genocidal wars in Chechnya. So conspiracy theories (no matter how valid) against Putin and Russia are just plain...boring.

Its very hypocritical. Its very sad. And it shows the true motivations of many if not all..of the conspiracy theorists.

If they REALLY cared about bringing truth to the masses, we would not have major 9-11 Truth players appearing on Russia Today (RT) on a weekly basis, spouting their 9-11 Truth crap, while knowing that RT will NOT aire any major story about the possibly false-flag in Russia in 1999 (RT is funded by the Kremlin, surprise.... surprise. )

If truth....justice....democracy...freedom..was REALLY their goal, they would attack BOTH possible false-flag events, with the same amount of energy and passion.

But...they don't. And I believe I have spelled out why.

[grandthefttoaster]

What do you think is the most compelling piece of evidence that the bombings were an inside job?

[Thunder]

Originally Posted by grandthefttoaster

What do you think is the most compelling piece of evidence that the bombings were an inside job?

um..that the cops actually caught the fools planting a 5th bomb!!!!!!!!!

then the perps said it was a practise test, to see if the local police would catch them. the cops tastes the powder inside the bags, cause the perps said it was "sugar". it did not taste sweet. it tasted horrible. the cops got sick from the "sugar".

read the Wiki article I posted. there is a lot more there.

"
According to a theory, the bombings were a successful coup d'état organized by the FSB to bring future Russian president Vladimir Putin to power. Some of them described the bombings as typical "active measures" practiced by the KGB in the past. David Satter stated, during his testimony in the United States House of Representatives,

"With Yeltsin and his family facing possible criminal prosecution, however, a plan was put into motion to put in place a successor who would guarantee that Yeltsin and his family would be safe from prosecution and the criminal division of property in the country would not be subject to reexamination. For “Operation Successor” to succeed, however, it was necessary to have a massive provocation. In my view, this provocation was the bombing in September, 1999 of the apartment building bombings in Moscow, Buinaksk, and Volgodonsk. In the aftermath of these attacks, which claimed 300 lives, a new war was launched against Chechnya. Putin, the newly appointed prime minister who was put in charge of that war, achieved overnight popularity. Yeltsin resigned early. Putin was elected president and his first act was to guarantee Yeltsin immunity from prosecution."[141]

Yuri Felshtinsky and Vladimir Pribylovsky wrote that the September 4 attack in Buynaksk was probably conducted by a sabotage unit of twelve Russian GRU officers who acted on the orders of Colonel-General Valentin Korabelnikov.[13][142] They referred to the testimony of GRU officer Aleksey Galkin. According to this version, all other attacks were organized by FSB forces based on the following chain of command: "Putin (former director of the secret service, future president) - Patrushev (Putin's successor as director of the secret service) - secret service General German Ugryumov (director of the counter-terrorism department)." FSB officers Vladimir Romanovich, Ramazan Dyshekov, and others directly carried out the bombings. Several Chechens were recruited by FSB agents to deliver explosives, disguised as bags of sugar, to Volgodonsk and Moscow: Adam Dekkushev, Yusuf Krymshakhalov, and Timur Batchaev. The Chechens believed that the apartment buildings were merely temporarily storage places, and that the explosives would be used against federal military targets. Ethnic Karachai Achemez Gochiyaev rented the apartment basements as storage spaces on request from the FSB agent Ramazan Dyshekov.[13]"

[grandthefttoaster]

Originally Posted by parky76

um..that the cops actually caught the fools planting a 5th bomb!!!!!!!!!

then the perps said it was a practise test, to see if the local police would catch them. the cops tastes the powder inside the bags, cause the perps said it was "sugar". it did not taste sweet. it tasted horrible. the cops got sick from the "sugar".

Where are you reading this? From what I gather, the cops had already left by the time the bombers had left the sacks of white powder. Later on the Deputy Prosecutor claimed it was just sugar. Also a newspaper later claimed that an Army Private had seen sacks of explosives marked as sugar at a base.

[Thunder]

Originally Posted by grandthefttoaster

Where are you reading this? From what I gather, the cops had already left by the time the bombers had left the sacks of white powder. Later on the Deputy Prosecutor claimed it was just sugar. Also a newspaper later claimed that an Army Private had seen sacks of explosives marked as sugar at a base.

even more disgusting evidence.

but don't worry, the Patriotic 9-11 Truthers, who care ONLY about truth, justice, and freedom for all, will be on the case!!

they will be demanding that RT discuss all this evidence next week.....not!!!!!

well, maybe the 9-11 Truthers will demand that some major American media outlet discuss the case? NOT!!

Alex Jones will devote an entire radio show to the evidence of an inside job in the 1999 Russia apartment bombings? NOT!!!

[deep]

In 2000, Russia's President Vladimir Putin dismissed the allegations of FSB involvement in the bombings as "delirious nonsense."

See? The story checks out - no conspiracy.

[Thunder]

Originally Posted by deep

In 2000, Russia's President Vladimir Putin dismissed the allegations of FSB involvement in the bombings as "delirious nonsense."

See? The story checks out - no conspiracy.

damn...you're right. i guess there is nothing to see here.

[WildCat]

Originally Posted by parky76

read the Wiki article I posted. there is a lot more there.

"
According to a theory,

Only problem is there is no evidence offered for the theory.

Evidence parky, got any?

[Thunder]

Originally Posted by WildCat

Only problem is there is no evidence offered for the theory.

Evidence parky, got any?

um..did you read through the very long and detailed article?

[WildCat]

Originally Posted by parky76

um..did you read through the very long and detailed article?

The entire inside job conspiracy theory section was only 4 paragraphs long.

And there was no evidence that I could see.

Would you like to post some?

[Thunder]

Ryazan incident

On the evening of September 22, 1999, a resident of an apartment building in the city of Ryazan noticed two suspicious men who carried sacks into the basement from a car with a Moscow license plate.[13][25][26][27] He alerted the police, but by the time they arrived the car and the men were gone. The policemen found three 50 kg sacks of white powder in the basement. A detonator and a timing device were attached and armed. The timer was set to 5:30 AM.[7] Yuri Tkachenko, the head of the local bomb squad, disconnected the detonator and the timer and tested the three sacks of white substance with a "MO-2" gas analyzer. The device detected traces of RDX, the military explosive used in all previous bombings.[3][4][6]. The explosive engineers took a bit of substance from the suspicious-looking sacks to a firing ground located some kilometers away from Ryazan for testing.[28][29] During the substance tests at that area they tried to explode it by means of a detonator, but their efforts failed, the substance was not detonated, and the explosion did not occur.[28][29][30][31][32] Police and rescue vehicles converged from different parts of the city, and 30,000 residents were evacuated from the area. 1,200 local police officers armed with automatic weapons set up roadblocks on highways around the city and started patrolling railroad stations and airports to hunt the terrorists down. In the morning, "Ryazan resembled a city under siege".[6] Composite sketches of three suspected terrorists, two men and a woman, were shown on TV.
In the morning of September 23 Russian television networks reported the attempt to blow up a building in Ryazan using RDX.[33]. On the 23 of September 1999 the NTV broadcasting company transmitted in its News block at 4 p.m. there were no explosives detected during the suspicious-looking sacks testing.[34] Minister of Internal Affairs Vladimir Rushailo announced that police prevented a terrorist act. Later in the evening Prime Minister of Russia Vladimir Putin praised the vigilance of the Ryazanians and called for the air bombing of the Chechen capital Grozny.[35]
Later, a telephone service employee in Ryazan tapped into long distance phone conversations and managed to detect a talk in which an out-of-town person suggested to others that they "split up" and "make your own way out". That person's number was traced to a telephone exchange unit serving FSB offices.[36] When arrested, the detainees produced FSB identification cards. They were soon released on orders from Moscow.[37][38] According to the head of FSB Nikolai Patrushev, the exercise was carried out to test responses after the earlier blasts. FSB issued a public apology about the incident.[39]
The Russian Deputy Prosecutor declared in 2002 that a comprehensive testing of the samples showed no traces of any explosives, and that sacks from Ryazan contained only sugar.[40] However Yuri Tkachenko, the police explosives expert who defused the Ryazan bomb, insisted that it was real. Tkachenko said that the explosives, including a timer, a power source, and a detonator were genuine military equipment and obviously prepared by a professional. He also said that the gas analyzer that tested the vapors coming from the sacks unmistakably indicated the presence of RDX. Tkachenko said that it was out of the question that the analyzer could have malfunctioned, as the gas analyzer was of world class quality, cost $20,000, and was maintained by a specialist who worked according to a strict schedule, checking the analyzer after each use and making frequent prophylactic checks. Tkachenko pointed out that meticulous care in the handling of the gas analyzer was a necessity because the lives of the bomb squad experts depended on the reliability of their equipment. The police officers who answered the original call and discovered the bomb also insisted that it was obvious from its appearance that the substance in the bomb was not sugar.[6][41]
At a press conference on the occasion of the Federal Security Service Employee Day in December 2001 Yury Tkachenko, the police explosives expert who defused the Ryazan bomb, said that the gas analyzer had not been used. He added that the detonator was a hunting cartridge and that it would not be able to detonate any known explosives.[42]


The type of explosives controversy

It was initially reported by the FSB that the explosives used by the terrorists was RDX (or "hexogen"). However, it was officially declared later that the explosive was not RDX, but a mixture of aluminum powder, niter (saltpeter), sugar, and TNT prepared by the perpetrators in a concrete mixer at a fertilizer factory in Urus-Martan, Chechnya.[43][44] RDX is produced in only one factory in Russia, in the city of Perm,[6]. According to the book by Satter, the FSB changed the story about the type of explosive, since it was difficult to explain how huge amounts of RDX disappeared from the closely guarded Perm facility.


A military storage with RDX disguised as "sugar"

In March 2000, Russian newspaper Novaya Gazeta reported about a Private Alexei Pinyaev of the 137th Regiment who guarded a military facility near the city of Ryazan. He was surprised to see that "a storehouse with weapons and ammunition" contained sacks with the word "sugar" on them. The two paratroopers cut a hole in one of the bags and made tea with the sugar taken from the bag. But the taste of the tea was terrible. They became suspicious since people were talking about the explosions. The substance turned out to be hexogen. After the newspaper report, FSB officers "descended on Pinyaev's unit", accused them of "divulging a state secret", and told them "You guys can't even imagine what serious business you've got yourselves tangled up in." The regiment later sued Novaya Gazeta for insulting the honor of the Russian Army, since there was no Private Alexei Pinyaev in the regiment, according to their statement.[45] At an FSB press conference Private Pinyayev stated that there was not any hexogen in the 137th sky troops Regiment and that he was hospitalized in December 1999 and no longer visited the range.[42]

Sealing of all materials by Russian Duma

The Russian Duma rejected two motions for parliamentary investigation of the Ryazan incident.[58][59] The Duma, on a pro-Kremlin party-line vote, voted to seal all materials related to the Ryazan incident for the next 75 years and forbade an investigation into what happened.

Arrest of independent investigator Trepashkin

The commission of Sergei Kovalev asked lawyer Mikhail Trepashkin to investigate the case. Trepashkin found that the basement of one of the bombed buildings was rented by FSB officer Vladimir Romanovich and that the latter was witnessed by several people. However, Trepashkin was unable to bring the evidence to court, because he was arrested in October 2003, allegedly for "disclosing state secrets", just a few days before he was to make his findings public.[60] He was sentenced by a military closed court to four years imprisonment.[61] Amnesty International issued a statement that "there are serious grounds to believe that Mikhail Trepashkin was arrested and convicted under falsified criminal charges which may be politically motivated, in order to prevent him continuing his investigative and legal work related to the 1999 apartment bombings in Moscow and other cities".[62] Romanovich subsequently died in a hit and run accident in Cyprus. According to Trepashkin, his supervisors and people from the FSB promised not to arrest him if he left the Kovalev commission and started working with the FSB "against Alexander Litvinenko".[63] Commission chairman Kovalev summarized their findings as follows:[64] "What can I tell? We can prove only one thing: there was no training exercise in the city of Ryazan. Authorities do not want to answer any questions..."

[WildCat]

And from the same wiki page you linked to:

Quote:

According to researcher Gordon Bennett, the conspiracy theory that the FSB was behind the bombings is kept alive by the Russian oligarch and Kremlin-critic Boris Berezovsky. Bennett points out that neither Berezovsky nor his team (which includes Alexander Litvinenko) have provided any evidence to support their claims. In the BBC World Hard Talk interview on 8 May 2002, Berezovsky was also unable to present any evidence for his claims, and he did not suggest he was in possession of such evidence which he would be ready to present in a court.[146] Bennett also points out that Putin's critics often forget that the decision to send troops to Chechnya was taken by Boris Yeltsin — not Vladimir Putin — with the wholehearted support of all power structures.

Hmmm, no evidence, not ready to take the case to court despite claims of inside jobby-job... yep, this is looking like the 9/11 CT the more I look into it!

[Thunder]

Originally Posted by WildCat

And from the same wiki page you linked to:

Hmmm, no evidence, not ready to take the case to court despite claims of inside jobby-job... yep, this is looking like the 9/11 CT the more I look into it!

um, did you read the paragraphs i posted from the wiki article?

no evidence???

[WildCat]

Originally Posted by parky76

Ryazan incident

Is this where I'm supposed to "connect the dots" or something?

[SezMe]

Originally Posted by parky76

...but yet, the evidence for this being an inside job is quite clear, solid, and hard core, ....

If truth....justice....democracy...freedom..was REALLY their goal, they would attack BOTH possible false-flag events,

My bold. So which is it? "Possible" false-flag or "clear, solid, hard core" that it was, in fact, one.

[Thunder]

Originally Posted by SezMe

My bold. So which is it? "Possible" false-flag or "clear, solid, hard core" that it was, in fact, one.

i meant possible to emphasize their beliefs, not mine.

9-11 was not an inside job.

[Thunder]

Originally Posted by WildCat

Is this where I'm supposed to "connect the dots" or something?

shouldn't you be focusing on finding what was actually incorrect about the Goldstone report?

[SezMe]

Originally Posted by parky76

So conspiracy theories (no matter how valid) against Putin and Russia are just plain...boring.

...

But...they don't. And I believe I have spelled out why.

I think you got the right answer for the wrong reason. Nobody cares about the Russian event because Moscow is an international backwater. It is not a major travel center, trade center, diplomatic center, etc. Thousands of people from around the globe did not work there for top-tier international companies.

So most of the world had no real connection to Moscow thus the indifference. Or as you put it, "boring".

It had little or nothing to do with hatred of America. Remember, at the time Shrub had only been in office 9 months and had not yet damaged the American brand.

[Thunder]

Originally Posted by SezMe

It had little or nothing to do with hatred of America. Remember, at the time Shrub had only been in office 9 months and had not yet damaged the American brand.

many Americans hated Shrub with a passion, the day he was inaugurated. myself included.

did folks outside the USA hate him at that point? not as much..no.

[Foolmewunz]

Originally Posted by WildCat

Is this where I'm supposed to "connect the dots" or something?

Ditto Wildcat's several comments. (Or should that be "dotto"?)

It's an interesting topic, but I'd rather see evidence and source material other than Wiki articles. Meh? I'm personally willing to believe Putin and The Boyz had something to do with the bombings, but that's just because I simply don't like the guy, and it ends right there until I see some proof.

Soldatov, who's not exactly a fan of the FSG or Putin, has stated that he thinks the Putin government is over-reacting to requests for information and in clamping down on the information/evidence, but that he feels they are doing so out of their inherent paranoia, not from guilt.

[Thunder]

Originally Posted by Foolmewunz

Ditto Wildcat's several comments. (Or should that be "dotto"?)

It's an interesting topic, but I'd rather see evidence and source material other than Wiki articles.

almost every single point made in the Wiki article has a cute little source to the upper right of it. feel free to click on those little numbers and read the source article.

here is one:

http://www.cdi.org/russia/johnson/8014-18.cfm

here is another:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/449325.stm

[WildCat]

Originally Posted by parky76

almost every single point made in the Wiki article has a cute little source to the upper right of it. feel free to click on those little numbers and read the source article.

here is one:

http://www.cdi.org/russia/johnson/8014-18.cfm

here is another:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/449325.stm

Oh, fun! More dot connecting!

When will the actual evidence be introduced to this thread parky?

[Thunder]

Originally Posted by WildCat

Oh, fun! More dot connecting!

When will the actual evidence be introduced to this thread parky?

u want me to read for you?

i have shown you the door. i can't make you go through it.

help me help you.

[WildCat]

Originally Posted by parky76

u want me to read for you?

i have shown you the door. i can't make you go through it.

help me help you.

Here, look at this video, and read this book by David Ray Griffin...

Don't "lead me to" your evidence parky, produce it. So far, all you've done is post claims and no evidence.

You can start by posting one piece of evidence. Just one, are you up to the challenge?

[Thunder]

Originally Posted by WildCat

You can start by posting one piece of evidence. Just one, are you up to the challenge?

um, the articles i posted include evidence. the articles also link to stories with more evidence.

use your truther skills and follow down the rabbit hole.

[jhunter1163]

Quote:

Quote:
According to researcher Gordon Bennett, the conspiracy theory that the FSB was behind the bombings is kept alive by the Russian oligarch and Kremlin-critic Boris Berezovsky. Bennett points out that neither Berezovsky nor his team (which includes Alexander Litvinenko) have provided any evidence to support their claims. In the BBC World Hard Talk interview on 8 May 2002, Berezovsky was also unable to present any evidence for his claims, and he did not suggest he was in possession of such evidence which he would be ready to present in a court.[146] Bennett also points out that Putin's critics often forget that the decision to send troops to Chechnya was taken by Boris Yeltsin — not Vladimir Putin — with the wholehearted support of all power structures.

Wasn't that the guy who was murdered by polonium or something like that?

I don't know enough about this case to comment intelligently, so I'm going to keep my mouth shut, except to say that a better case can be made for conspiracy regarding this event than 9/11.

That doesn't mean a good case, just a better case.

[Foolmewunz]

Originally Posted by parky76

almost every single point made in the Wiki article has a cute little source to the upper right of it. feel free to click on those little numbers and read the source article.

here is one:

http://www.cdi.org/russia/johnson/8014-18.cfm

A blog-type site, citing an article from a newspaper that includes the below gem:

Quote:

But Nikolai Gorokhov, Trepashkin's assistant and a member of the defense team, said Trepashkin had just wanted to raise some troubling questions. "There was no direct evidence, but there definitely were some murky facts that had to be investigated," he said.

Quote:

here is another:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/449325.stm

An article from '99, mostly detailing the OCT of the Russian government, with a mention at the bottom of a prescient article by Alex Jones a Russian journalist predicting that due to Yeltsin's ill-health it was just conceivable that the security forces might be up to "something" - but no mention of these bombings.


You expect us to click over 150 of these links? Do you mind if I skip the ones from WorldNetDaily? (BAC will be off of suspension in 20 or so days - he can check them out for you.)

Unless you're a part of a different JREF Forum than I am, this ain't the way we work around here. You have a theory, idea, concept... YOU PROVIDE THE EVIDENCE.

Like I said, .... I'm a willing convert. I already dislike the guy. All I need is more credible evidence. What would you have done with a truther who came in here citing, as evidence, news articles with no documented backup, opinion pieces, and rumors?

As we alway say to the truthers (adding 2 years).... It's been ten years, now. Where is Berzovski's "evidence" that he was going to release "any day now". I found the first cite of that claim in 2002. Yet there is no evidence offered, yet.

[Undesired Walrus]

Originally Posted by parky76

almost every single point made in the Wiki article has a cute little source to the upper right of it. feel free to click on those little numbers and read the source article.



http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/449325.stm

Quote:

Meanwhile others in Moscow are still wondering whether there is a domestic political aspect to the crisis and whether rogue elements of the security forces are in some way involved in an attempt to provoke a state of emergency in Russia or the cancellation of elections.

There is absolutely no proof of this, but a little noticed article in the Moscow newspaper Moskovskaya Pravda by a respectable journalist Alexander Zhilin is now attracting attention.

Zhilin wrote on 25 August that President Yeltsin's health was failing and that a plan with the codename "Storm in Moscow" was being hatched in the Kremlin.

He wrote that "tremendous shocks await Moscow," including a series of terrorist acts, which were being designed to discredit the mayor of Moscow Yury Luzhkov and force a cancellation of the elections.

Conspiracy theories are part of the staple diet of Moscow politics.

Zhilin's article is interesting because it was written before the bomb explosions. At the very least it says a lot about the fevered political atmosphere in Russia that some people take these theories seriously.

D'oh!

[Undesired Walrus]

No evidence?

[defaultdotxbe]

while i admit the russian bombings have more evidence of being an inside job than 9/11, i must concede its not hard to garner an amount greater than zero

as for why, its probably due to the fact that people that truly and honestly believe their government will kill indiscriminately to attain its goals are less likely to get in the way of those goals, and of course russians are probably used to the government telling blatant lies and not questioning it (for reasons mentioned above)


kudos to whichever screw loose change blogger pointed this book out to me (sorry, i dont recally which one, i just know one of you mentioned it)

[UNLoVedRebel]

Parky would be a terrible witness to a murder.

Prosecutor: Parky, did you see the defendant shoot the victim in the head?
Parky: Yes, well at least that's what it looked like. It was really a "false flag" operation. The alleged victim wanted to make it look like he was being murdered by the defendant because he didn't like him.
Prosecutor: Uh, what?
Parky: Even though I saw the alleged victim get his brains blown out, I have every reason to believe he's alive and hiding out somewhere. He used either CGI or some advanced make-up to make it look like he got his brains blown out. It was all staged.

[Mobertermy]

Parky, this is the dumbest conspiracy theory I've heard in awhile. Russia had already been at war with Chechnya and they had to commit a false flag attack to what? Continue it? How stupid do you have to be believe something like that? It makes zero sense.

[Thunder]

Originally Posted by Mobertermy

Parky, this is the dumbest conspiracy theory I've heard in awhile. Russia had already been at war with Chechnya and they had to commit a false flag attack to what? Continue it? How stupid do you have to be believe something like that? It makes zero sense.

hmmmm...

welcome to the forum?

hmmm...

[JamesB]

Originally Posted by defaultdotxbe

while i admit the russian bombings have more evidence of being an inside job than 9/11, i must concede its not hard to garner an amount greater than zero

as for why, its probably due to the fact that people that truly and honestly believe their government will kill indiscriminately to attain its goals are less likely to get in the way of those goals, and of course russians are probably used to the government telling blatant lies and not questioning it (for reasons mentioned above)

http://pics.xbehome.com/albums/userp...photo_book.jpg
kudos to whichever screw loose change blogger pointed this book out to me (sorry, i dont recally which one, i just know one of you mentioned it)

That was me. I am the one with the BA in Russian and East European Studies.

I have never really looked into these theories in-depth, but they are at least practical theories. They don't require magic space weapons or super nano-thermite. It is no surprise that there hasn't been much about it. In Russia journalists end up shot dead in the lobby of their apartment buildings all the time. Alex Jones and Dylan Avery only wish their lives were actually in danger.

[CHF]

Originally Posted by Mobertermy

Parky, this is the dumbest conspiracy theory I've heard in awhile. Russia had already been at war with Chechnya and they had to commit a false flag attack to what? Continue it? How stupid do you have to be believe something like that? It makes zero sense.

Actually the CT does make sense.

The first Chechen war ended in 1996 with a humiliating Russia defeat and by 1999 Russia was thirsty for revenge.

The apartment bombings infuriated Russians and allowed Putin to invade Chechnya in order to destroy the rebels once and for all. It was on the back of that successful war that Putin built his reputation as the savior of Russia - the man who brought stability and restored the nation's pride.

As for the conspiracy theory itself, it certainly has lot of circumstantial evidence.

Indeed, the FSB was caught by local police planting sacks in the basement of another apartment. The cops say the sacks contained explosives; the FSB/government says it was sugar and was part of a test. Journalists investigating the story have been beaten or killed (truthers, eat your heart out!).

On the other hand, the attacks came only a month after a Chechen rebel incursion into Dagestan was beaten back by Russian forces, after which Chechen commanders had threatened attacks on Russia in response.

But then how would bombing Russian apartments have been in the best interest of the fledgling de-facto independent Chechen state? It's noteworthy that no rebels took credit for the bombings.

This contrasts greatly with all other known Chechen terror attacks, which have all been (proudly) admitted and have been done in order to get Russia to pull its forces out - 1995 hospital hostage taking, 2002 Moscow theater, 2004 airline bombings, 2004 Belsan massacre etc.

So why would the Chechens bomb Russia when they already had the Russians out of their country for three years?

There's not enough solid evidence to say one way or the other whodunnit.

But there certainly is more logic and more evidence to the Russian bombings CT than there is for 9/11 truth.

[Childlike Empress]

Sorry, twoofskis, "Putin blew up the appartment buildings" is as stupid as "Bush blew up the towers". To make me believe in a CT, you have to convince me with an alternative narration.

"With Yeltsin and his family facing possible criminal prosecution, however, a plan was put into motion to put in place a successor who would guarantee that Yeltsin and his family would be safe from prosecution and the criminal division of property in the country would not be subject to reexamination. For “Operation Successor” to succeed, however, it was necessary to have a massive provocation. In my view, this provocation was the bombing in September, 1999 of the apartment building bombings in Moscow, Buinaksk, and Volgodonsk. In the aftermath of these attacks, which claimed 300 lives, a new war was launched against Chechnya. Putin, the newly appointed prime minister who was put in charge of that war, achieved overnight popularity. Yeltsin resigned early. Putin was elected president and his first act was to guarantee Yeltsin immunity from prosecution."[141]

"Yeltsin and his family"? Good starting point. What happened to them?

[Thunder]

Originally Posted by CHF

But there certainly is more logic and more evidence to the Russian bombings CT than there is for 9/11 truth.

hear hear!!

plus the fact that the Russian apartment bombings CT is NOT tied into any ******** NWO, chemtrail, Illuminati, Mossad, lizard-people, nonsense.

[CHF]

Originally Posted by Childlike Empress

Sorry, twoofskis, "Putin blew up the appartment buildings" is as stupid as "Bush blew up the towers". To make me believe in a CT, you have to convince me with an alternative narration.

Simple. The FSB staged attacks, blamed it on the Chechens and then launched a war against Chechnya which paved the way for the old KGB elite to resurect Russian power and state control in the wake of the disasterous Yeltsin "democracy" years.

It makes sense in obvious ways that the 9/11 CT's don't.

Russia wants war with Chechnya; Russia staged attack and blames Chechnya. Simple enough.

In the case of 9/11 you have the NWO staging an attack and then blaming it on Saudis in order to launch a war on Afghanistan (which had some connection to the plot) and Iraq (which had no connection whatsoever).

Plus we have police officials claiming to have caught the FSB planting bombs; no one caught the CIA planting super-dooper nanothermite. Meanwhile, journalists who investigate the Russian plot are bumped off, while their American truther counterparts hold filmscreenings and sell books at Barnes and Noble.

Again, none of this is proof positive that the FSB was the guilty party. But there's far more to go on than doctored WTC collapse audio and "nanothermite" paint chips.

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plus the fact that the USSR was known for such dishonest and pathetic actions. Putin is part of the old guard, and I would not put it past him and his FSB buddies to do this.

Putin wanted to be elected, him and his buddies found a way to accomplish that and get a new "patriotic war", in one fell-swoop.

no NWO, no chemtrails, no Mossad...just pure 1...2....3.

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Originally Posted by CHF

Simple. The FSB staged attacks, blamed it on the Chechens and then launched a war against Chechnya which paved the way for the old KGB elite to resurect Russian power and state control in the wake of the disasterous Yeltsin "democracy" years.

It makes sense in obvious ways that the 9/11 CT's don't.

"The FSB" did it makes no sense. These are millions of people. Who had a secret network in it and was able to order such an operation? Putin certainly wasn't in a position to do so. He left the KGB in 1991 and spend his time as an offical in St. Petersburg until he was appointed head of the FSB in 1998 (as a buerocrat for only 13 months) and then Prime Minister, both by Boris Yeltzin. He was a political nobody.