Whacko Republican gets owned by Markos

leftysergeant · 7th November 2009, 08:59 AM

Congressman Tom Tancredo would do the country a great favor were he to sit down and shut his pie hole. He is a pretty sorry excuse for a man, given his recent behavior on the TV.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7IY1wQDkWU

The drooling moron tried to tell an actual veteran that most veterans would prefer to have vouchers for private health care rather than being stuck in the VA healthcare system.

When the veteran called him a liar, and suggested that any man who had avoided military service on the basis of mental illness was in no position to lecture a real veteran, the self-important little congress critter demanded an apology and, when it was not forthcoming, pulled out his ear piece and walked off the set.

Grow a pair, Tancredo. Grow a brain and a conscience while you are at it.

parky76 · 7th November 2009, 04:59 PM

low blow. but i support it.

Lisa Simpson · 7th November 2009, 05:24 PM

Tom Tancredo is a former Congressman, BTW.

leftysergeant · 7th November 2009, 05:31 PM

Originally Posted by Lisa Simpson

Tom Tancredo is a former Congressman, BTW.

And this is a good example of why he no longer serves in a state with a lot of veterans. Trouble is that he is still taken seriously by the Palin wing (i.e., the whackadoodle wing) of the GOP.

When he called for an apology from Markos after Markos called him on a lie, he showed the world just what a sorry example of a man he is.

What I think is really, REALLY sick, is that there are still Republicans who will defend his getting upset with Markos.

And the GOP is trying to call themselves the friends of the veterans.

parky76 · 7th November 2009, 05:31 PM

Originally Posted by Lisa Simpson

Tom Tancredo is a former Congressman, BTW.

good.

leftysergeant · 7th November 2009, 06:07 PM

Originally Posted by Just thinking

I'd rather appear like a moron than actually be one --- which is what Lefty called the congressman.

And Tancredo actually is a dim bulb, in addition to having serious mental issues. (The mental issues are a matter of public record. It kept him out of the Army.)

And, as many times as he must have heard lefties throwing the term "chicken hawk" at rightwing posers, only a moron would have been so stupid as to lecture a veteran on the undesireability of VA care.

That some Republicans still give Tancredo respect is just more evidence that neoconservatives are neocons because of mental defect.

Just thinking · 7th November 2009, 06:18 PM

What's going on here? Why isn't my entire post (or thread, for that matter) shown? This editing makes things appear different from what they are.

Lisa Simpson · 7th November 2009, 06:20 PM

A bunch of posts have been moved to AAH for bickering.

Posted By:Lisa Simpson

Just thinking · 7th November 2009, 06:26 PM

And you leave my partial reply in his response? Hardly seems appropriate if you wish to eliminate the bickering.

Denver · 7th November 2009, 06:40 PM

Tancredo has always been a loud voice in the illegal immigrant camp (I mean, voicing all the ills that he says illegal immigrants bring upon society).

It's interesting to hear, as the illegal immigrant issues have quieted a bit and so given him less of a profile, he has switched to something more popular.

SezMe · 7th November 2009, 06:44 PM

Originally Posted by parky76

low blow. but i support it.

It was a low blow and, thus, uncalled for. I have about the same level of disgust for Tancredo as lefty but I don't like low blows no matter where they originate from.

leftysergeant · 7th November 2009, 06:54 PM

Originally Posted by SezMe

It was a low blow and, thus, uncalled for. I have about the same level of disgust for Tancredo as lefty but I don't like low blows no matter where they originate from.

When hunting cockroaches, you do not mount your weapon on a tripod.

daredelvis · 7th November 2009, 07:28 PM

Originally Posted by leftysergeant

And this is a good example of why he no longer serves in a state with a lot of veterans. Trouble is that he is still taken seriously by the Palin wing (i.e., the whackadoodle wing) of the GOP.

I can only hope that is a sign of the marginalization of the Palin camp, rather then an embrace of the likes of Tancredo. I suspect most sane GOP'rs distance themselves from this scoundrel.

Daredelvis

Whiplash · 8th November 2009, 07:42 PM

Originally Posted by leftysergeant

When hunting cockroaches, you do not mount your weapon on a tripod.

Rationalizing 101: A good, witty sounding quote can carry the day.

applecorped · 8th November 2009, 07:51 PM

Originally Posted by leftysergeant

When hunting cockroaches, you do not mount your weapon on a tripod.

Seen a lot of tripods to know better?

tyr_13 · 8th November 2009, 08:01 PM

Someone explain the low blow to me please?

SezMe · 8th November 2009, 08:18 PM

Kos and Tancredo are debating the health care issue. Tancredo makes some assertions about VA care based on vets he's talked to. Kos pops in by noting that he's a vet but Tancredo is not because he got a deferment because he was "depressed".

I don't know the details, but Tancredo apparently got a valid deferment so I seriously doubt it was just because of depression. So he impugned Tancredo based on his mental health and implied that that fact meant he had no basis to talk about the VA.

That is a crappy low blow. It was mean, uncalled for, and had no relevance to the debate.

And lefty lowers himself for not condemning this behavior just because it was done by somebody on his side of the aisle.

Sad - in both cases.

tyr_13 · 8th November 2009, 08:22 PM

Originally Posted by SezMe

Kos and Tancredo are debating the health care issue. Tancredo makes some assertions about VA care based on vets he's talked to. Kos pops in by noting that he's a vet but Tancredo is not because he got a deferment because he was "depressed".

I don't know the details, but Tancredo apparently got a valid deferment so I seriously doubt it was just because of depression. So he impunged Tancredo based on his mental health and implied that that fact meant he had no basis to talk about the VA.

That is a crappy low blow. It was mean, uncalled for, and had no relevance to the debate.

And lefty lowers himself for not condemning this behavior just because it was done by somebody on his side of the aisle.

Sad - in both cases.

Oh, I only got that Tancredo was not a vet, and had made the rather stupid mistake of telling a real veteran what veterans want. If Kos made light of a valid deferment, it is a low blow, uncalled for, and in this case, unneeded.

Some of us were rejected from service for similar reasons.

leftysergeant · 9th November 2009, 04:56 AM

Tancredo was a pro-war activist in college, but managed to get a 1-Y deferrment on the basis of depression. (And he still managed to survive running for public office? Hmmm.......)

And then, when Kos started talking about how effectively the government runs the VA health care, the little chicken hawk starts blathering about how all the veterans' groups he met with were always telling him how much they hated the VA health care system and how much they wanted vouchers for private health care and....

WTF?

Kos went off on him.

I'm sorry, but I just cannot see it as a low blow when a veteran calls a lying cockroach out for his lies abouit what veterans' groups have been calling for in their communications with public officials.

I especially have no problem when a veteran calls out a lying cockroach who avoided service for mental isues but now wants to mislead the public about what veterans want and need.

What Kos avoided saying, and what is probvably going through the minds of a lot of old soldiers right now is that Tancredo may be worth studying because it may lead to an understanduing of a possible link between depression and cowardice.

No, I refuse to call it a low blow to put Tancredo down as utterly unfit to lecture veterans as to what is good for them, or to point out why such a moron is unfit for any further public service.

Tancredo's career is on the compost heap and Kos was doing the country no disservice to shovel some fresh material over it to keep it here.

The only low blow came out of the former (Gott sei Dank!) congress critter's foul mouth.

Donal · 9th November 2009, 06:34 AM

Kos took a cheap shot. I have no idea why you would support that.

Want to make Tancredo looks stupid? Bring out the facts. Show him what surveys say. Kos does not speak for all veterans. We're not just going to take his word for it.

Tancredo said a lot of stupid things, but Kos didn't look much better. I think the reason certain people here are loving him is because he says mean things about Republicans.

leftysergeant · 9th November 2009, 06:52 AM

Originally Posted by Donal

Kos took a cheap shot. I have no idea why you would support that.

Maybe it's because I am tired of creeps like Tancredo who try to maintain the myth that the GOP has the better ideas on national defense. Maybe it's just because I feel that Tancredo needs his ego deflated. His delusions of adequacy make him dangerous.

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Want to make Tancredo looks stupid? Bring out the facts.

Which is exactly what Kos did. He pointed out that Tancredo pulled one out of his underwear.

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Kos does not speak for all veterans. We're not just going to take his word for it.

Kos speaks for at least 90% more veterans than a non-veteran wussy boy like Tancredo.

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Tancredo said a lot of stupid things, but Kos didn't look much better.

Just being mentally well makes Kos look better than Tancredo.

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I think the reason certain people here are loving him is because he says mean things about Republicans.

I'm just loving it that someone is not intimidated and afraid to offend a lunatic whom too many people take seriously as a political pundit.

Ladewig · 9th November 2009, 07:10 AM

Originally Posted by leftysergeant

Tancredo was a pro-war activist in college, but managed to get a 1-Y deferment on the basis of depression. (And he still managed to survive running for public office? Hmmm.......)

I am left leaning, and I consider it to be uncalled for and inappropriate. If a person received a deferment because he had cancer, is that person unqualified to talk about veterans' issues? Depression is an illness. People suffering from this illness already receive enough stigma with folks like Markos adding to it.

As for your "Hmmm" comment. Isn't it rather obvious that running for public office is orders of magnitude easier than serving in the military?

leftysergeant · 9th November 2009, 07:28 AM

Originally Posted by Ladewig

I am left leaning, and I consider it to be uncalled for and inappropriate. If a person received a deferment because he had cancer, is that person unqualified to talk about veterans' issues?

Nobody is qualified to lie. What Tancredo said was not mistaken. It was patently false, total bull flops - and the nutbar knew it, or at least should have known it.

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Depression is an illness. People suffering from this illness already receive enough stigma with folks like Markos adding to it.

Situational dysthemia is sometimes misdiagnosed as depression. In the relevant time frame, it was also quite common among cowards, especially those who had been banging away at the war drum until they realized "Ooops! They want me to go now. WTF?" I think I would be greatly unhappy myself in that situation.

Did you know that Winston Churchill was bipolar?

Hell of a soldier, too.

Yellow-bellied Tommy gets no pass from me.

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As for your "Hmmm" comment. Isn't it rather obvious that running for public office is orders of magnitude easier than serving in the military?

Not if you do it right.

Donal · 9th November 2009, 07:39 AM

Originally Posted by leftysergeant

Maybe it's because I am tired of creeps like Tancredo who try to maintain the myth that the GOP has the better ideas on national defense. Maybe it's just because I feel that Tancredo needs his ego deflated. His delusions of adequacy make him dangerous.

So, you want creeps that have a D after their name.

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Which is exactly what Kos did. He pointed out that Tancredo pulled one out of his underwear.

And did the same thing when he presumed he spoke for anyone but himself.

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Kos speaks for at least 90% more veterans than a non-veteran wussy boy like Tancredo.

Total crap. Kos is a blogger. Tancredo has actually held elected office. If at least two veterans voted for him, that means he knows way more about what veterans want than Kos has ever demonstrated. At least, by your logic.

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Just being mentally well makes Kos look better than Tancredo.

I've read some of Kos' more interesting rants. That is a big assumption you are making.

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I'm just loving it that someone is not intimidated and afraid to offend a lunatic whom too many people take seriously as a political pundit.

What are you talking about? You think he is the only person on TV that insults the other guy?

Ladewig · 9th November 2009, 08:03 AM

Originally Posted by leftysergeant

Nobody is qualified to lie. What Tancredo said was not mistaken. It was patently false, total bull flops - and the nutbar knew it, or at least should have known it.

I'm not communicating my idea well. I think it is very appropriate and necessary to challenge people on their positions. I think it is very inappropriate to challenge people on their medical history. That is irrelevant in deciding whether a political position is valid or not. Furthermore, it is also inappropriate to label someone a nutbar for holding a divergent or unsupported viewpoint.

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Situational dysthemia is sometimes misdiagnosed as depression. In the relevant time frame, it was also quite common among cowards, especially those who had been banging away at the war drum until they realized "Ooops! They want me to go now. WTF?" I think I would be greatly unhappy myself in that situation.

Speculating on the validity of Tancredo medical diagnosis without evidence is wildly inappropriate.

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Did you know that Winston Churchill was bipolar?

Yes, and he was a great man who accomplished great things in spite of his medical illness. Not everyone who suffers from this type of illness is capable of doing even a fraction of what Churchill accomplished.

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Not if you do it right.

I do not understand this comment.

leftysergeant · 9th November 2009, 08:17 AM

Originally Posted by Donal

So, you want creeps that have a D after their name.

GOP kind of owns creepy, from what I have seen. Between Bachmann, Newt, Tacredo, Craig, Sanford, Vitter, Rummy and Cheney, where do you find a rational thought?

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And did the same thing when he presumed he spoke for anyone but himself.

Few of the veterans I know, myself included, would want the current VA to go away or have to schlep from doctor-to-doctor to find one that will provide the same quality of care that the VA could if a bunch of anal-retentive wussy boys would vote to fund the system at an appropriate level.

The only people I have heard wwho really think that the treatment vouchers are a good idea are either not veterans or, if they are veterans, are utterly guanophrenic Koolaid-with-a=dash-of-Sarin-drinking Libertarians.

I have about $50000 worth of titanium artificial shoulder joint paid for by the VA, installed by the VA, in conjunction with the University of Washington. The orthopods at VA seemed to be LOOKING for a chance to do the procedure on a younger-than-typical man. Try getting THAT from an HMO.

Like I say, Tancredo pulled one out of his underwear and a man (a real man, not some little snivellling wussy boy with delusions of adequacy,) called him on it. Too bloody bad if the right does not like seeing one of their lunatics bitch-slapped by a real man.

[quote]Total crap. Kos is a blogger. Tancredo has actually held elected office.[/QUOLTE]

So did Hitler and James Trafficant. What's your point?

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If at least two veterans voted for him, that means he knows way more about what veterans want than Kos has ever demonstrated. At least, by your logic.

Erm...Whiskey..Tango...Foxtrot...

The sad sack knows NOTHING, compared to me, aboput what veterans want from ther government, his spew of BS is in total conflict with what I have always experienced and felt, going through the system myself, while Markos slapped the mewling punk upside that head with exactly the sort of things I wouldl have liked to slap him with. I am, myself, a veteran, medically retired, I live among vewterans, I use the VA facility at American Lake for my long-term and routine medical, I work part-time at one job qhich is only available to veterans, and I have not yet once met any of them who think Tancredo's crap flies any better than a lead penguin.

No way in hell does wussy boy Tancredo know more than Kos about veteran's affairs.

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I've read some of Kos' more interesting rants. That is a big assumption you are making.

I have read dsome of chicken poo Tom's rants, too. He has never, in the opinion of this professional soldier, been right about veteran's affairs or military strategy. This is NOT an assumption, but a professional assesment of the dreck that the babbler from Colorado has flung at the wall to see if it sticks. Soldiers need a lout like Tancredo like a tuxedo needs brown shoes, or a Bar Mitzvah needs ham and cheese sandwiches.

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What are you talking about? You think he is the only person on TV that insults the other guy?

No, of course not. The fat deaf eunuch, Slant-head Hannity and the shrieking little punk Beck do it all the time.

Difference between them and Kos is that Kos is willing to deal with this niggling little thing called "reality."

Lurker · 9th November 2009, 08:22 AM

Originally Posted by Donal

Total crap. Kos is a blogger. Tancredo has actually held elected office. If at least two veterans voted for him, that means he knows way more about what veterans want than Kos has ever demonstrated. At least, by your logic.

This ignores the survey that showed veterans prefer their VA service to that of private insurance. Kos was wight in that his view represented veterans better than Tancredo. Tancredo only offered anecdotal evidence and seemed oblivious to the survey that showed he was wrong.

This IS a skeptic's site, right? We should place a higher value on statistical evidence like a survey than on solely anecdotal evidence, right?

Kos was out of liine in his low blow though.

leftysergeant · 9th November 2009, 08:38 AM

Originally Posted by Lurker

Kos was out of liine in his low blow though.

Fair fights are for suckers. Tancredo is a nobody who got lucky and is now a has-been, and, if even he believes the crap he spews, deserves to stay that way.

No mercy for cowards and liars.

Donal · 9th November 2009, 08:53 AM

Originally Posted by Lurker

This ignores the survey that showed veterans prefer their VA service to that of private insurance. Kos was wight in that his view represented veterans better than Tancredo. Tancredo only offered anecdotal evidence and seemed oblivious to the survey that showed he was wrong.

That right there, if you can link it, would be actual evidence. My point was not that Kos was factually wrong. It was that he simply supplied anecdotal evidence, the same as Tencredo.

Kos accidentally said something correct. He doesn't get credit for it.

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This IS a skeptic's site, right? We should place a higher value on statistical evidence like a survey than on solely anecdotal evidence, right?

Absolutely. Please point out where either of them did such a thing as reference a survey.

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Kos was out of liine in his low blow though.

Ya, but he was insulting a Republican, so that is OK.

leftysergeant · 9th November 2009, 09:04 AM

Originally Posted by Donal

That right there, if you can link it, would be actual evidence. My point was not that Kos was factually wrong. It was that he simply supplied anecdotal evidence, the same as Tencredo.

Big difference here is, of course, that between the two of them, only Kos has any real-world expertise on the subject.

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Kos accidently said something correct.

Where do you get "accidently? The man has real-world experience. Snivelling Tom does not.

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Absolutely. Please point out where either of them did such a thing as reference a survey.

If you want to tell a man that what he takes for common sense is not actually sensible, you need to support it. Burden is on the moron from colorado.

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Ya, but he was insulting a Republican, so that is OK.

Has nothing to do with Democrat or Republican. It has to do with being a real man or a sick little wussy boy, a veteran or a reject, a liar or an honest man.

Little wussy Tommy loses.

I have only ONCE in my life heard an actual veteran say that vouchers were a good idea, and that one was dumb enough to think that Sarah Palin was up to being Vice President.

Lurker · 9th November 2009, 09:09 AM

Originally Posted by Donal

That right there, if you can link it, would be actual evidence. My point was not that Kos was factually wrong. It was that he simply supplied anecdotal evidence, the same as Tencredo.

I had assumed Kos knew about the survey evidence. With the health care debate the VA satisfaction surveys have been more prominent.

http://www.defenselink.mil/news/news....aspx?id=14560

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Veterans continued to rate the care they receive through the Department of Veterans Affairs health care system higher than other Americans rate private-sector health care for the sixth consecutive year, a new annual report on customer satisfaction reveals.

Checkmite · 9th November 2009, 11:01 AM

Originally Posted by leftysergeant

And Tancredo actually is a dim bulb, in addition to having serious mental issues. (The mental issues are a matter of public record. It kept him out of the Army.)

It seems to me Tancredo wanted an apology not for being "called on a lie", but for the vet's suggesting that his mental illness was a feigned excuse to avoid service. Speaking as the son of a vet, I've seen and heard a lot of nasty verbiage directed by vets toward non-vets who were rejected due to medical reasons, as if they (the rejects) were cowards, malingerers, or could've/should've done...I don't know, something to get into the service anyway despite their condition (and that therefore since they didn't, they are less of a person than the vet).

GStan · 9th November 2009, 11:24 AM

Originally Posted by SezMe

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And lefty lowers himself for not condemning this behavior just because it was done by somebody on his side of the aisle.

Sad - in both cases.

I'm surprised that anyone could think that lefty could possibly lower himself.

gtc · 9th November 2009, 11:45 AM

Tom Tancredo was treated for depression at least 40 years ago. To use this fact to suggest that he is still mentally ill is disgusting.

leftysergeant · 9th November 2009, 11:55 AM

Originally Posted by gtc

Tom Tancredo was treated for depression at least 40 years ago. To use this fact to suggest that he is still mentally ill is disgusting.

His comments suggest either delusional ideation or a total lack of moral scrupples.

His conduct has at times left more than a few people calling him a nutbar.

Ladewig · 9th November 2009, 12:18 PM

Originally Posted by leftysergeant

His conduct has at times left more than a few people calling him a nutbar.

And such name calling was and is counterproductive to political debate.

Originally Posted by Ladewig

Isn't it rather obvious that running for public office is orders of magnitude easier than serving in the military?

Originally Posted by LeftySergeant

Not if you do it right.

I still cannot figure out your point here.

Pardalis · 9th November 2009, 12:19 PM

"whacko" (a little projection?)
"shut his pie hole" (colourful, kind of what a old grandfather would say to his grandson)
"sorry excuse for a man" ( I guess that makes you a "Man")
"drooling moron"
"congress critter"
"whackadoodle wing"
"dim bulb" (hey, he wants to conserve energy, I thought you were green?)
"moron"
"cockroaches" (I heard Hutus use that same word to describe the Tutsis)
"chicken hawk"
"a lying cockroach" (cockroaches don't lie)
"creeps"
"wussy boy"
"lunatic"
"bull flops"
"nutbar"
"Yellow-bellied" (is that a new species?)
"anal-retentive wussy boys " (I kind of like this one)
"guanophrenic Koolaid-with-a=dash-of-Sarin-drinking Libertarians"

"snivellling wussy boy"
"mewling punk"
"chicken poo" (I think it's called guano)
"babbler from Colorado"
"fat deaf eunuch" (now that's not nice to fat deaf eunuchs, what have they done to you?)
"Slant-head"
"shrieking little punk"
"No mercy for cowards and liars" (may I call you Rambo from now on?)
"Snivelling Tom"
"moron from colorado" (I thought it was "babbler" from Colorado?)
"sick little wussy boy" (variantions on a theme I guess)
"nutbar" (you already said that one)

leftysergeant · 9th November 2009, 12:30 PM

I just get so tired of the lunatics running the assylum. Tancredo and his sort are not up to handling a nation in crisis. They lack wisdom and courage and judgement, and, in too many cases, the moral fiber. There is no reason for a real man like Markos to sit there and let a snot like Tancredo lie to his face.

And I refer to the Rushblob as the "fat deaf eunuch" not to disparge people with a sexual dysfunction, but to remind people who might mistake him for a rational human being that he appears to have chemically castrated himself by his drug abuse. He shows no empathy for those who suffer setbacks that are no fault of their own, so why should I show any for him?

Same goes for Tancredo.

Pardalis · 9th November 2009, 12:53 PM

I'm sure calling your fellow Americans "coackroaches" will help your nation in "crisis".

Checkmite · 9th November 2009, 12:56 PM

Originally Posted by leftysergeant

He shows no empathy for those who suffer setbacks that are no fault of their own, so why should I show any for him?

Presumably because you are not a "fat deaf eunuch".

7th November 2009, 08:59 AM	#1
leftysergeant Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Spanaway WA Posts: 6,717	Whacko Republican gets owned by Markos Congressman Tom Tancredo would do the country a great favor were he to sit down and shut his pie hole. He is a pretty sorry excuse for a man, given his recent behavior on the TV. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7IY1wQDkWU The drooling moron tried to tell an actual veteran that most veterans would prefer to have vouchers for private health care rather than being stuck in the VA healthcare system. When the veteran called him a liar, and suggested that any man who had avoided military service on the basis of mental illness was in no position to lecture a real veteran, the self-important little congress critter demanded an apology and, when it was not forthcoming, pulled out his ear piece and walked off the set. Grow a pair, Tancredo. Grow a brain and a conscience while you are at it.

7th November 2009, 04:59 PM	#2
parky76 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 15,499	low blow. but i support it.
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7th November 2009, 05:24 PM	#3
Lisa Simpson THE Lisa Simpson Administrator Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: 123 Fake Street Posts: 14,831	Tom Tancredo is a former Congressman, BTW.
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7th November 2009, 05:31 PM	#5
parky76 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 15,499	Originally Posted by Lisa Simpson Tom Tancredo is a former Congressman, BTW. good.
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7th November 2009, 06:18 PM	#7
Just thinking Illuminator Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: New Jersey Posts: 4,546	What's going on here? Why isn't my entire post (or thread, for that matter) shown? This editing makes things appear different from what they are.
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7th November 2009, 06:07 PM	#6
leftysergeant Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Spanaway WA Posts: 6,717	Originally Posted by Just thinking I'd rather appear like a moron than actually be one --- which is what Lefty called the congressman. And Tancredo actually is a dim bulb, in addition to having serious mental issues. (The mental issues are a matter of public record. It kept him out of the Army.) And, as many times as he must have heard lefties throwing the term "chicken hawk" at rightwing posers, only a moron would have been so stupid as to lecture a veteran on the undesireability of VA care. That some Republicans still give Tancredo respect is just more evidence that neoconservatives are neocons because of mental defect.

7th November 2009, 06:26 PM	#9
Just thinking Illuminator Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: New Jersey Posts: 4,546	And you leave my partial reply in his response? Hardly seems appropriate if you wish to eliminate the bickering.
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7th November 2009, 06:40 PM	#10
Denver Master Poster Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Denver, Colorado Posts: 2,739	Tancredo has always been a loud voice in the illegal immigrant camp (I mean, voicing all the ills that he says illegal immigrants bring upon society). It's interesting to hear, as the illegal immigrant issues have quieted a bit and so given him less of a profile, he has switched to something more popular.

7th November 2009, 06:44 PM	#11
SezMe Philosopher Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Santa Barbara, CA Posts: 9,129	Originally Posted by parky76 low blow. but i support it. It was a low blow and, thus, uncalled for. I have about the same level of disgust for Tancredo as lefty but I don't like low blows no matter where they originate from.

7th November 2009, 06:54 PM	#12
leftysergeant Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Spanaway WA Posts: 6,717	Originally Posted by SezMe It was a low blow and, thus, uncalled for. I have about the same level of disgust for Tancredo as lefty but I don't like low blows no matter where they originate from. When hunting cockroaches, you do not mount your weapon on a tripod.

7th November 2009, 07:28 PM	#13
daredelvis Muse Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 820	Originally Posted by leftysergeant And this is a good example of why he no longer serves in a state with a lot of veterans. Trouble is that he is still taken seriously by the Palin wing (i.e., the whackadoodle wing) of the GOP. I can only hope that is a sign of the marginalization of the Palin camp, rather then an embrace of the likes of Tancredo. I suspect most sane GOP'rs distance themselves from this scoundrel. Daredelvis
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8th November 2009, 07:42 PM	#14
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8th November 2009, 07:51 PM	#15
applecorped Rotten to the core Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 5,693	Originally Posted by leftysergeant When hunting cockroaches, you do not mount your weapon on a tripod. Seen a lot of tripods to know better?
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8th November 2009, 08:01 PM	#16
tyr_13 Illuminator Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 3,019	Someone explain the low blow to me please?
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8th November 2009, 08:18 PM	#17
SezMe Philosopher Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Santa Barbara, CA Posts: 9,129	Kos and Tancredo are debating the health care issue. Tancredo makes some assertions about VA care based on vets he's talked to. Kos pops in by noting that he's a vet but Tancredo is not because he got a deferment because he was "depressed". I don't know the details, but Tancredo apparently got a valid deferment so I seriously doubt it was just because of depression. So he impugned Tancredo based on his mental health and implied that that fact meant he had no basis to talk about the VA. That is a crappy low blow. It was mean, uncalled for, and had no relevance to the debate. And lefty lowers himself for not condemning this behavior just because it was done by somebody on his side of the aisle. Sad - in both cases.
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8th November 2009, 08:22 PM	#18
tyr_13 Illuminator Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 3,019	Originally Posted by SezMe Kos and Tancredo are debating the health care issue. Tancredo makes some assertions about VA care based on vets he's talked to. Kos pops in by noting that he's a vet but Tancredo is not because he got a deferment because he was "depressed". I don't know the details, but Tancredo apparently got a valid deferment so I seriously doubt it was just because of depression. So he impunged Tancredo based on his mental health and implied that that fact meant he had no basis to talk about the VA. That is a crappy low blow. It was mean, uncalled for, and had no relevance to the debate. And lefty lowers himself for not condemning this behavior just because it was done by somebody on his side of the aisle. Sad - in both cases. Oh, I only got that Tancredo was not a vet, and had made the rather stupid mistake of telling a real veteran what veterans want. If Kos made light of a valid deferment, it is a low blow, uncalled for, and in this case, unneeded. Some of us were rejected from service for similar reasons.
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9th November 2009, 04:56 AM	#19
leftysergeant Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Spanaway WA Posts: 6,717	Tancredo was a pro-war activist in college, but managed to get a 1-Y deferrment on the basis of depression. (And he still managed to survive running for public office? Hmmm.......) And then, when Kos started talking about how effectively the government runs the VA health care, the little chicken hawk starts blathering about how all the veterans' groups he met with were always telling him how much they hated the VA health care system and how much they wanted vouchers for private health care and.... WTF? Kos went off on him. I'm sorry, but I just cannot see it as a low blow when a veteran calls a lying cockroach out for his lies abouit what veterans' groups have been calling for in their communications with public officials. I especially have no problem when a veteran calls out a lying cockroach who avoided service for mental isues but now wants to mislead the public about what veterans want and need. What Kos avoided saying, and what is probvably going through the minds of a lot of old soldiers right now is that Tancredo may be worth studying because it may lead to an understanduing of a possible link between depression and cowardice. No, I refuse to call it a low blow to put Tancredo down as utterly unfit to lecture veterans as to what is good for them, or to point out why such a moron is unfit for any further public service. Tancredo's career is on the compost heap and Kos was doing the country no disservice to shovel some fresh material over it to keep it here. The only low blow came out of the former (Gott sei Dank!) congress critter's foul mouth.
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9th November 2009, 06:34 AM	#20
Donal Graduate Poster Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: NYC Posts: 1,424	Kos took a cheap shot. I have no idea why you would support that. Want to make Tancredo looks stupid? Bring out the facts. Show him what surveys say. Kos does not speak for all veterans. We're not just going to take his word for it. Tancredo said a lot of stupid things, but Kos didn't look much better. I think the reason certain people here are loving him is because he says mean things about Republicans.

9th November 2009, 06:52 AM	#21
leftysergeant Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Spanaway WA Posts: 6,717	Originally Posted by Donal Kos took a cheap shot. I have no idea why you would support that. Maybe it's because I am tired of creeps like Tancredo who try to maintain the myth that the GOP has the better ideas on national defense. Maybe it's just because I feel that Tancredo needs his ego deflated. His delusions of adequacy make him dangerous. Quote: Want to make Tancredo looks stupid? Bring out the facts. Which is exactly what Kos did. He pointed out that Tancredo pulled one out of his underwear. Quote: Kos does not speak for all veterans. We're not just going to take his word for it. Kos speaks for at least 90% more veterans than a non-veteran wussy boy like Tancredo. Quote: Tancredo said a lot of stupid things, but Kos didn't look much better. Just being mentally well makes Kos look better than Tancredo. Quote: I think the reason certain people here are loving him is because he says mean things about Republicans. I'm just loving it that someone is not intimidated and afraid to offend a lunatic whom too many people take seriously as a political pundit.

9th November 2009, 07:10 AM	#22
Ladewig Philosopher Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Gulf Coast Posts: 8,961	Originally Posted by leftysergeant Tancredo was a pro-war activist in college, but managed to get a 1-Y deferment on the basis of depression. (And he still managed to survive running for public office? Hmmm.......) I am left leaning, and I consider it to be uncalled for and inappropriate. If a person received a deferment because he had cancer, is that person unqualified to talk about veterans' issues? Depression is an illness. People suffering from this illness already receive enough stigma with folks like Markos adding to it. As for your "Hmmm" comment. Isn't it rather obvious that running for public office is orders of magnitude easier than serving in the military?
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9th November 2009, 07:28 AM	#23
leftysergeant Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Spanaway WA Posts: 6,717	Originally Posted by Ladewig I am left leaning, and I consider it to be uncalled for and inappropriate. If a person received a deferment because he had cancer, is that person unqualified to talk about veterans' issues? Nobody is qualified to lie. What Tancredo said was not mistaken. It was patently false, total bull flops - and the nutbar knew it, or at least should have known it. Quote: Depression is an illness. People suffering from this illness already receive enough stigma with folks like Markos adding to it. Situational dysthemia is sometimes misdiagnosed as depression. In the relevant time frame, it was also quite common among cowards, especially those who had been banging away at the war drum until they realized "Ooops! They want me to go now. WTF?" I think I would be greatly unhappy myself in that situation. Did you know that Winston Churchill was bipolar? Hell of a soldier, too. Yellow-bellied Tommy gets no pass from me. Quote: As for your "Hmmm" comment. Isn't it rather obvious that running for public office is orders of magnitude easier than serving in the military? Not if you do it right.

9th November 2009, 07:39 AM	#24
Donal Graduate Poster Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: NYC Posts: 1,424	Originally Posted by leftysergeant Maybe it's because I am tired of creeps like Tancredo who try to maintain the myth that the GOP has the better ideas on national defense. Maybe it's just because I feel that Tancredo needs his ego deflated. His delusions of adequacy make him dangerous. So, you want creeps that have a D after their name. Quote: Which is exactly what Kos did. He pointed out that Tancredo pulled one out of his underwear. And did the same thing when he presumed he spoke for anyone but himself. Quote: Kos speaks for at least 90% more veterans than a non-veteran wussy boy like Tancredo. Total crap. Kos is a blogger. Tancredo has actually held elected office. If at least two veterans voted for him, that means he knows way more about what veterans want than Kos has ever demonstrated. At least, by your logic. Quote: Just being mentally well makes Kos look better than Tancredo. I've read some of Kos' more interesting rants. That is a big assumption you are making. Quote: I'm just loving it that someone is not intimidated and afraid to offend a lunatic whom too many people take seriously as a political pundit. What are you talking about? You think he is the only person on TV that insults the other guy?

9th November 2009, 08:03 AM	#25
Ladewig Philosopher Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Gulf Coast Posts: 8,961	Originally Posted by leftysergeant Nobody is qualified to lie. What Tancredo said was not mistaken. It was patently false, total bull flops - and the nutbar knew it, or at least should have known it. I'm not communicating my idea well. I think it is very appropriate and necessary to challenge people on their positions. I think it is very inappropriate to challenge people on their medical history. That is irrelevant in deciding whether a political position is valid or not. Furthermore, it is also inappropriate to label someone a nutbar for holding a divergent or unsupported viewpoint. Quote: Situational dysthemia is sometimes misdiagnosed as depression. In the relevant time frame, it was also quite common among cowards, especially those who had been banging away at the war drum until they realized "Ooops! They want me to go now. WTF?" I think I would be greatly unhappy myself in that situation. Speculating on the validity of Tancredo medical diagnosis without evidence is wildly inappropriate. Quote: Did you know that Winston Churchill was bipolar? Yes, and he was a great man who accomplished great things in spite of his medical illness. Not everyone who suffers from this type of illness is capable of doing even a fraction of what Churchill accomplished. Quote: Not if you do it right. I do not understand this comment.
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9th November 2009, 08:17 AM	#26
leftysergeant Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Spanaway WA Posts: 6,717	Originally Posted by Donal So, you want creeps that have a D after their name. GOP kind of owns creepy, from what I have seen. Between Bachmann, Newt, Tacredo, Craig, Sanford, Vitter, Rummy and Cheney, where do you find a rational thought? Quote: And did the same thing when he presumed he spoke for anyone but himself. Few of the veterans I know, myself included, would want the current VA to go away or have to schlep from doctor-to-doctor to find one that will provide the same quality of care that the VA could if a bunch of anal-retentive wussy boys would vote to fund the system at an appropriate level. The only people I have heard wwho really think that the treatment vouchers are a good idea are either not veterans or, if they are veterans, are utterly guanophrenic Koolaid-with-a=dash-of-Sarin-drinking Libertarians. I have about $50000 worth of titanium artificial shoulder joint paid for by the VA, installed by the VA, in conjunction with the University of Washington. The orthopods at VA seemed to be LOOKING for a chance to do the procedure on a younger-than-typical man. Try getting THAT from an HMO. Like I say, Tancredo pulled one out of his underwear and a man (a real man, not some little snivellling wussy boy with delusions of adequacy,) called him on it. Too bloody bad if the right does not like seeing one of their lunatics bitch-slapped by a real man. [quote]Total crap. Kos is a blogger. Tancredo has actually held elected office.[/QUOLTE] So did Hitler and James Trafficant. What's your point? Quote: If at least two veterans voted for him, that means he knows way more about what veterans want than Kos has ever demonstrated. At least, by your logic. Erm...Whiskey..Tango...Foxtrot... The sad sack knows NOTHING, compared to me, aboput what veterans want from ther government, his spew of BS is in total conflict with what I have always experienced and felt, going through the system myself, while Markos slapped the mewling punk upside that head with exactly the sort of things I wouldl have liked to slap him with. I am, myself, a veteran, medically retired, I live among vewterans, I use the VA facility at American Lake for my long-term and routine medical, I work part-time at one job qhich is only available to veterans, and I have not yet once met any of them who think Tancredo's crap flies any better than a lead penguin. No way in hell does wussy boy Tancredo know more than Kos about veteran's affairs. Quote: I've read some of Kos' more interesting rants. That is a big assumption you are making. I have read dsome of chicken poo Tom's rants, too. He has never, in the opinion of this professional soldier, been right about veteran's affairs or military strategy. This is NOT an assumption, but a professional assesment of the dreck that the babbler from Colorado has flung at the wall to see if it sticks. Soldiers need a lout like Tancredo like a tuxedo needs brown shoes, or a Bar Mitzvah needs ham and cheese sandwiches. Quote: What are you talking about? You think he is the only person on TV that insults the other guy? No, of course not. The fat deaf eunuch, Slant-head Hannity and the shrieking little punk Beck do it all the time. Difference between them and Kos is that Kos is willing to deal with this niggling little thing called "reality."

9th November 2009, 08:22 AM	#27
Lurker Illuminator Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 3,044	Originally Posted by Donal Total crap. Kos is a blogger. Tancredo has actually held elected office. If at least two veterans voted for him, that means he knows way more about what veterans want than Kos has ever demonstrated. At least, by your logic. This ignores the survey that showed veterans prefer their VA service to that of private insurance. Kos was wight in that his view represented veterans better than Tancredo. Tancredo only offered anecdotal evidence and seemed oblivious to the survey that showed he was wrong. This IS a skeptic's site, right? We should place a higher value on statistical evidence like a survey than on solely anecdotal evidence, right? Kos was out of liine in his low blow though.
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9th November 2009, 08:38 AM	#28
leftysergeant Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Spanaway WA Posts: 6,717	Originally Posted by Lurker Kos was out of liine in his low blow though. Fair fights are for suckers. Tancredo is a nobody who got lucky and is now a has-been, and, if even he believes the crap he spews, deserves to stay that way. No mercy for cowards and liars.

9th November 2009, 08:53 AM	#29
Donal Graduate Poster Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: NYC Posts: 1,424	Originally Posted by Lurker This ignores the survey that showed veterans prefer their VA service to that of private insurance. Kos was wight in that his view represented veterans better than Tancredo. Tancredo only offered anecdotal evidence and seemed oblivious to the survey that showed he was wrong. That right there, if you can link it, would be actual evidence. My point was not that Kos was factually wrong. It was that he simply supplied anecdotal evidence, the same as Tencredo. Kos accidentally said something correct. He doesn't get credit for it. Quote: This IS a skeptic's site, right? We should place a higher value on statistical evidence like a survey than on solely anecdotal evidence, right? Absolutely. Please point out where either of them did such a thing as reference a survey. Quote: Kos was out of liine in his low blow though. Ya, but he was insulting a Republican, so that is OK.

9th November 2009, 09:04 AM	#30
leftysergeant Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Spanaway WA Posts: 6,717	Originally Posted by Donal That right there, if you can link it, would be actual evidence. My point was not that Kos was factually wrong. It was that he simply supplied anecdotal evidence, the same as Tencredo. Big difference here is, of course, that between the two of them, only Kos has any real-world expertise on the subject. Quote: Kos accidently said something correct. Where do you get "accidently? The man has real-world experience. Snivelling Tom does not. Quote: Absolutely. Please point out where either of them did such a thing as reference a survey. If you want to tell a man that what he takes for common sense is not actually sensible, you need to support it. Burden is on the moron from colorado. Quote: Ya, but he was insulting a Republican, so that is OK. Has nothing to do with Democrat or Republican. It has to do with being a real man or a sick little wussy boy, a veteran or a reject, a liar or an honest man. Little wussy Tommy loses. I have only ONCE in my life heard an actual veteran say that vouchers were a good idea, and that one was dumb enough to think that Sarah Palin was up to being Vice President.

9th November 2009, 09:09 AM	#31
Lurker Illuminator Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 3,044	Originally Posted by Donal That right there, if you can link it, would be actual evidence. My point was not that Kos was factually wrong. It was that he simply supplied anecdotal evidence, the same as Tencredo. I had assumed Kos knew about the survey evidence. With the health care debate the VA satisfaction surveys have been more prominent. http://www.defenselink.mil/news/news....aspx?id=14560 Quote: Veterans continued to rate the care they receive through the Department of Veterans Affairs health care system higher than other Americans rate private-sector health care for the sixth consecutive year, a new annual report on customer satisfaction reveals.
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9th November 2009, 11:01 AM	#32
Checkmite Skepticifimisticalationist Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Third in line Posts: 8,649	Originally Posted by leftysergeant And Tancredo actually is a dim bulb, in addition to having serious mental issues. (The mental issues are a matter of public record. It kept him out of the Army.) It seems to me Tancredo wanted an apology not for being "called on a lie", but for the vet's suggesting that his mental illness was a feigned excuse to avoid service. Speaking as the son of a vet, I've seen and heard a lot of nasty verbiage directed by vets toward non-vets who were rejected due to medical reasons, as if they (the rejects) were cowards, malingerers, or could've/should've done...I don't know, something to get into the service anyway despite their condition (and that therefore since they didn't, they are less of a person than the vet).
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9th November 2009, 11:24 AM	#33
GStan Graduate Poster Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Wheeling, WV Posts: 1,195	Originally Posted by SezMe <snip> And lefty lowers himself for not condemning this behavior just because it was done by somebody on his side of the aisle. Sad - in both cases. I'm surprised that anyone could think that lefty could possibly lower himself.
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9th November 2009, 11:45 AM	#34
gtc Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: the downunderverse Posts: 7,109	Tom Tancredo was treated for depression at least 40 years ago. To use this fact to suggest that he is still mentally ill is disgusting.
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9th November 2009, 11:55 AM	#35
leftysergeant Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Spanaway WA Posts: 6,717	Originally Posted by gtc Tom Tancredo was treated for depression at least 40 years ago. To use this fact to suggest that he is still mentally ill is disgusting. His comments suggest either delusional ideation or a total lack of moral scrupples. His conduct has at times left more than a few people calling him a nutbar.

9th November 2009, 12:18 PM	#36
Ladewig Philosopher Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Gulf Coast Posts: 8,961	Originally Posted by leftysergeant His conduct has at times left more than a few people calling him a nutbar. And such name calling was and is counterproductive to political debate. Originally Posted by Ladewig Isn't it rather obvious that running for public office is orders of magnitude easier than serving in the military? Originally Posted by LeftySergeant Not if you do it right. I still cannot figure out your point here.
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9th November 2009, 12:19 PM	#37
Pardalis Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Montréal Posts: 19,186	"whacko" (a little projection?) "shut his pie hole" (colourful, kind of what a old grandfather would say to his grandson) "sorry excuse for a man" ( I guess that makes you a "Man") "drooling moron" "congress critter" "whackadoodle wing" "dim bulb" (hey, he wants to conserve energy, I thought you were green?) "moron" "cockroaches" (I heard Hutus use that same word to describe the Tutsis) "chicken hawk" "a lying cockroach" (cockroaches don't lie) "creeps" "wussy boy" "lunatic" "bull flops" "nutbar" "Yellow-bellied" (is that a new species?) "anal-retentive wussy boys " (I kind of like this one) "guanophrenic Koolaid-with-a=dash-of-Sarin-drinking Libertarians" "snivellling wussy boy" "mewling punk" "chicken poo" (I think it's called guano) "babbler from Colorado" "fat deaf eunuch" (now that's not nice to fat deaf eunuchs, what have they done to you?) "Slant-head" "shrieking little punk" "No mercy for cowards and liars" (may I call you Rambo from now on?) "Snivelling Tom" "moron from colorado" (I thought it was "babbler" from Colorado?) "sick little wussy boy" (variantions on a theme I guess) "nutbar" (you already said that one)
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