AlienEntity's latest video

alienentity · 10th November 2009, 12:23 PM

Hi guys and gals,

I've just uploaded my latest video, a rebuttal to David Chandler's South Tower Smoking Guns video.

Part2 will be uploaded as soon as it finishes rendering.

These will probably be my last 9/11 videos, for a number of reasons. Mainly I feel the 9/11 Truth movement is never going to get any traction outside the lunatic fringe, and the main truther myths have been successfully exposed and debunked for those who wish to do research.

Also I need to move on - I find it a depressing subject, even more so because of the resistance to basic facts and disrespect for science displayed by so many hardcore truthers.
I get no pleasure from interacting with those people and have no wish to continue doing so.

All the best to you and have a safe and prosperous 2010.

best regards

Mark F. (Alienentity)

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grandmastershek · 10th November 2009, 12:40 PM

Originally Posted by alienentity

Hi guys and gals,

I've just uploaded my latest video, a rebuttal to David Chandler's South Tower Smoking Guns video.

Part2 will be uploaded as soon as it finishes rendering.

These will probably be my last 9/11 videos, for a number of reasons. Mainly I feel the 9/11 Truth movement is never going to get any traction outside the lunatic fringe, and the main truther myths have been successfully exposed and debunked for those who wish to do research.

Also I need to move on - I find it a depressing subject, even more so because of the resistance to basic facts and disrespect for science displayed by so many hardcore truthers.
I get no pleasure from interacting with those people and have no wish to continue doing so.

All the best to you and have a safe and prosperous 2010.

best regards

Mark F. (Alienentity)

Skeptic808 · 10th November 2009, 12:57 PM

AlienEntity your videos are great. I just recently saw your David Chandler video and it is very impressive. Very good job.

Mr.Herbert · 10th November 2009, 01:01 PM

Originally Posted by grandmastershek

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a19...rshek/clap.gif

I second that! Nice stuff AlienEntity

Brainster · 10th November 2009, 01:13 PM

Excellent job, AE! I have it set to go up as the first post tomorrow morning at SLC.

BasqueArch · 10th November 2009, 01:27 PM

Thank you AE. Great work.
Come back soon.

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Edx · 10th November 2009, 01:29 PM

Its a shame you arent going to continue it I enjoy watching,

You make the best debunker videos imo.

alienentity · 10th November 2009, 01:38 PM

Thx for your appreciation and also the creepy clapping videos!!

Pure Argent · 10th November 2009, 02:48 PM

Wow. Nice video. Sorry to hear it'll be your last. Ah, well - seeing as I haven't seen your others, I can go back and watch those!

alienentity · 10th November 2009, 05:21 PM

OK, Part 2 is finally rendered and uploaded.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7GWYK5AMKY

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Audible Click · 10th November 2009, 06:18 PM

Well done as always.

Edx · 10th November 2009, 06:58 PM

Really great! Such a shame you arent making more

9/11 Chewy Defense · 10th November 2009, 07:25 PM

Great job AlienEntity! 5 Stars on each!

Macgyver1968 · 10th November 2009, 07:54 PM

Way..way too much logic for truthers to accept.

Furcifer · 10th November 2009, 08:19 PM

"Now let's look further at Disintegration"

Disintegration is probably one of The Cure's best albums. Why you would set us up like that and not deliver is truly baffling.

Great video and very well edited. I like the background music but I suppose you could guess what my suggestion would be if I had a choice

Brainster · 11th November 2009, 11:20 AM

I've reset it to post later today; I wanted to let James' post on the Hardfire debate between Ryan and Tony stay on top for now.

Miragememories · 12th November 2009, 05:27 AM

Originally Posted by alienentity

Hi guys and gals,

I've just uploaded my latest video, a rebuttal to David Chandler's South Tower Smoking Guns video.

Part2 will be uploaded as soon as it finishes rendering.

These will probably be my last 9/11 videos, for a number of reasons. Mainly I feel the 9/11 Truth movement is never going to get any traction outside the lunatic fringe, and the main truther myths have been successfully exposed and debunked for those who wish to do research.

Also I need to move on - I find it a depressing subject, even more so because of the resistance to basic facts and disrespect for science displayed by so many hardcore truthers.
I get no pleasure from interacting with those people and have no wish to continue doing so.

All the best to you and have a safe and prosperous 2010.

best regards

Mark F. (Alienentity)

For starters;

Maybe you would like to explain the gross difference between the plumes in your chosen
non-explosive, top-down demolition example and what actually occurred in the WTC Towers?

Your example shows plumes occurring only at the collapse front, illustrating that as each ceiling collapses,
it of course squeezes the air out of each floor.

In the WTC Towers, which you believe also collapsed in a similar, top-down, non-explosive manner, there
are of course smoke and debris plumes from the initial ceiling collapse.

But you fail to explain, or even acknowledge what is occurring on floors that have no reason to be immediately
effected by the collapse initiation.

Major, very powerful, debris-filled plumes, backed by enough explosive force to blow out heavy, well-secured windows,
and well away from the pressure created by the collapse front.

MM

Edx · 12th November 2009, 05:56 AM

Originally Posted by Miragememories

But you fail to explain, or even acknowledge what is occurring on floors that have no reason to be immediately effected by the collapse initiation.

You mean the few individual puffs hear and there? It was a very large sky scraper mostly filled with air, is it so inconceivable to you that a pocket of air might get trapped, then expelled, being forced out faster than the approaching collapsing floors at any time?

We have witness' that made it out as it collapsed that describe being pushed "flying" down the stairs there was so much wind, and they were far away from the collapsing floors!

You know what they dont look like? They dont look like squibs which are timed and sequential and occur all over the building and also occur before the building collapses.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzovOlsWpT0

If you look at verinage demolitions you can see on a small scale what happened with the WTC. Aside from them pulling out floors of course. If I was going to come up with a CD theory I would at least say thermite or whatever destroyed the columns which then caused the global collapse. "Explosives" are just stupid.

Quote:

Major, very powerful, debris-filled plumes, backed by enough explosive force to blow out heavy, well-secured windows,
and well away from the pressure created by the collapse front.

MM

And yet these "Major, very powerful" and as Gage says "So intense" explosives, more intense than any demolition (since no demolition requires the need to fling steel beams around) werent picked up by any video cameras or heard by anyone even though explosive demolitions are easily heard for miles in all directions.

As Gage says when he likes to contradict himself they used thermite as you wouldnt want your explosives to be heard. teeheee

funk de fino · 12th November 2009, 06:10 AM

Originally Posted by Miragememories

Maybe you would like to explain the gross difference between the plumes in your chosen non-explosive, top-down demolition example and what actually occurred in the WTC Towers?

MM

Seriously, you have got to be kidding?

newton3376 · 12th November 2009, 07:56 AM

Good job Alienentity....your videos are excellent and the effort is appreciated.

alienentity · 12th November 2009, 09:00 AM

Originally Posted by Miragememories

For starters;

Maybe you would like to explain the gross difference between the plumes in your chosen
non-explosive, top-down demolition example and what actually occurred in the WTC Towers?

Your example shows plumes occurring only at the collapse front, illustrating that as each ceiling collapses,
it of course squeezes the air out of each floor.

In the WTC Towers, which you believe also collapsed in a similar, top-down, non-explosive manner, there
are of course smoke and debris plumes from the initial ceiling collapse.

But you fail to explain, or even acknowledge what is occurring on floors that have no reason to be immediately
effected by the collapse initiation.

Major, very powerful, debris-filled plumes, backed by enough explosive force to blow out heavy, well-secured windows,
and well away from the pressure created by the collapse front.

MM

It's impossible to find another top-down collapse on the same scale as the WTC towers.
The verinage collapses just demonstrate that you will get plumes of dust and debris from whatever volume of air escapes the building.

You expect the towers to exhibit unique features, which they do. It's certainly worth discussing those features, according to your own interests.
However, you should, if you wish to ascribe the plumes to some kind of explosives, then be able to explain why the 'explosive' plumes are a much lower velocity at the top, and black in color, and much higher in velocity and gray or brown in color further down...

This effect is perfectly consistent with the idea of escaping air, not explosives.

To me, explosives just don't fit the evidence, they don't explain the effects, and they are not required to produce the effects. The CD hypothesis simply is not the best one and actually creates far more problems than it will ever solve. I'm referring especially to that immense set of delusions which holds many truthers in thrall...

Justin39640 · 12th November 2009, 09:59 AM

Originally Posted by Miragememories

For starters;

Maybe you would like to explain the gross difference between the plumes in your chosen
non-explosive, top-down demolition example and what actually occurred in the WTC Towers?

Your example shows plumes occurring only at the collapse front, illustrating that as each ceiling collapses,
it of course squeezes the air out of each floor.

In the WTC Towers, which you believe also collapsed in a similar, top-down, non-explosive manner, there
are of course smoke and debris plumes from the initial ceiling collapse.

But you fail to explain, or even acknowledge what is occurring on floors that have no reason to be immediately
effected by the collapse initiation.

Major, very powerful, debris-filled plumes, backed by enough explosive force to blow out heavy, well-secured windows,
and well away from the pressure created by the collapse front.

MM

Hmmmmm
I didn't notice giant fires and damage from and airliner (rammed at full speed)
in the french videos. Did you?
Perhaps there's a difference there? (ponders)
What other differences are there?
In a lot of the verinage videos the windows are all removed and the structures were gutted. I also wonder if the exact same type of concrete was used in the WTC vs those french buildings. Oh and lets not forget about the drywall.

Air is a powerful thing. Pneumatic power is big business.

LashL · 13th November 2009, 07:00 PM

Fabulous work, alienentity. I echo others who hope that it won't necessarily be your last.

10th November 2009, 12:40 PM	#2
grandmastershek Graduate Poster Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Where you look at a thigh, and blacken an eye... Posts: 1,324	Originally Posted by alienentity Hi guys and gals, I've just uploaded my latest video, a rebuttal to David Chandler's South Tower Smoking Guns video. Part2 will be uploaded as soon as it finishes rendering. These will probably be my last 9/11 videos, for a number of reasons. Mainly I feel the 9/11 Truth movement is never going to get any traction outside the lunatic fringe, and the main truther myths have been successfully exposed and debunked for those who wish to do research. Also I need to move on - I find it a depressing subject, even more so because of the resistance to basic facts and disrespect for science displayed by so many hardcore truthers. I get no pleasure from interacting with those people and have no wish to continue doing so. All the best to you and have a safe and prosperous 2010. best regards Mark F. (Alienentity)
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10th November 2009, 01:01 PM	#4
Mr.Herbert Graduate Poster Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 1,357	Originally Posted by grandmastershek http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a19...rshek/clap.gif I second that! Nice stuff AlienEntity
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10th November 2009, 01:13 PM	#5
Brainster Penultimate Amazing Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 10,409	Excellent job, AE! I have it set to go up as the first post tomorrow morning at SLC.
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10th November 2009, 01:29 PM	#7
Edx Illuminator Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 4,242	Its a shame you arent going to continue it I enjoy watching, You make the best debunker videos imo.
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10th November 2009, 01:38 PM	#8
alienentity Illuminator Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Somewhere between Here and There Posts: 4,240	Thx for your appreciation and also the creepy clapping videos!!
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10th November 2009, 12:57 PM	#3
Skeptic808 New Blood Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Connecticut Posts: 5	AlienEntity your videos are great. I just recently saw your David Chandler video and it is very impressive. Very good job.

10th November 2009, 01:27 PM	#6
BasqueArch Graduate Poster Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Whispering Glades, Fredonia Posts: 1,370	Thank you AE. Great work. Come back soon. http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/m.../okjerclap.gif

10th November 2009, 02:48 PM	#9
Pure Argent Certified Castlevania Fanboy Join Date: May 2009 Location: The Clock Tower Boss Room Posts: 6,259	Wow. Nice video. Sorry to hear it'll be your last. Ah, well - seeing as I haven't seen your others, I can go back and watch those!
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10th November 2009, 06:18 PM	#11
Audible Click The gap in the plot Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: BFE Posts: 3,546	Well done as always.
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10th November 2009, 06:58 PM	#12
Edx Illuminator Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 4,242	Really great! Such a shame you arent making more
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10th November 2009, 07:25 PM	#13
9/11 Chewy Defense Banned Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Johnstown, PA Posts: 3,593	Great job AlienEntity! 5 Stars on each!

10th November 2009, 07:54 PM	#14
Macgyver1968 Illuminator Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Dallas, Texas Posts: 3,607	Way..way too much logic for truthers to accept.
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10th November 2009, 08:19 PM	#15
Furcifer miscreant Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: hohm Posts: 13,379	"Now let's look further at Disintegration" Disintegration is probably one of The Cure's best albums. Why you would set us up like that and not deliver is truly baffling. Great video and very well edited. I like the background music but I suppose you could guess what my suggestion would be if I had a choice

11th November 2009, 11:20 AM	#16
Brainster Penultimate Amazing Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 10,409	I've reset it to post later today; I wanted to let James' post on the Hardfire debate between Ryan and Tony stay on top for now.
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12th November 2009, 05:27 AM	#17
Miragememories Illuminator Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 3,753	Originally Posted by alienentity Hi guys and gals, I've just uploaded my latest video, a rebuttal to David Chandler's South Tower Smoking Guns video. Part2 will be uploaded as soon as it finishes rendering. These will probably be my last 9/11 videos, for a number of reasons. Mainly I feel the 9/11 Truth movement is never going to get any traction outside the lunatic fringe, and the main truther myths have been successfully exposed and debunked for those who wish to do research. Also I need to move on - I find it a depressing subject, even more so because of the resistance to basic facts and disrespect for science displayed by so many hardcore truthers. I get no pleasure from interacting with those people and have no wish to continue doing so. All the best to you and have a safe and prosperous 2010. best regards Mark F. (Alienentity) For starters; Maybe you would like to explain the gross difference between the plumes in your chosen non-explosive, top-down demolition example and what actually occurred in the WTC Towers? Your example shows plumes occurring only at the collapse front, illustrating that as each ceiling collapses, it of course squeezes the air out of each floor. In the WTC Towers, which you believe also collapsed in a similar, top-down, non-explosive manner, there are of course smoke and debris plumes from the initial ceiling collapse. But you fail to explain, or even acknowledge what is occurring on floors that have no reason to be immediately effected by the collapse initiation. Major, very powerful, debris-filled plumes, backed by enough explosive force to blow out heavy, well-secured windows, and well away from the pressure created by the collapse front. MM
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12th November 2009, 05:56 AM	#18
Edx Illuminator Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 4,242	Originally Posted by Miragememories But you fail to explain, or even acknowledge what is occurring on floors that have no reason to be immediately effected by the collapse initiation. You mean the few individual puffs hear and there? It was a very large sky scraper mostly filled with air, is it so inconceivable to you that a pocket of air might get trapped, then expelled, being forced out faster than the approaching collapsing floors at any time? We have witness' that made it out as it collapsed that describe being pushed "flying" down the stairs there was so much wind, and they were far away from the collapsing floors! You know what they dont look like? They dont look like squibs which are timed and sequential and occur all over the building and also occur before the building collapses. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzovOlsWpT0 If you look at verinage demolitions you can see on a small scale what happened with the WTC. Aside from them pulling out floors of course. If I was going to come up with a CD theory I would at least say thermite or whatever destroyed the columns which then caused the global collapse. "Explosives" are just stupid. Quote: Major, very powerful, debris-filled plumes, backed by enough explosive force to blow out heavy, well-secured windows, and well away from the pressure created by the collapse front. MM And yet these "Major, very powerful" and as Gage says "So intense" explosives, more intense than any demolition (since no demolition requires the need to fling steel beams around) werent picked up by any video cameras or heard by anyone even though explosive demolitions are easily heard for miles in all directions. As Gage says when he likes to contradict himself they used thermite as you wouldnt want your explosives to be heard. teeheee
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12th November 2009, 06:10 AM	#19
funk de fino Dreaming of unicorns Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Alba Posts: 10,789	Originally Posted by Miragememories Maybe you would like to explain the gross difference between the plumes in your chosen non-explosive, top-down demolition example and what actually occurred in the WTC Towers? MM Seriously, you have got to be kidding?
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12th November 2009, 07:56 AM	#20
newton3376 The Truth Movement.....still not at 1% Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 1,315	Good job Alienentity....your videos are excellent and the effort is appreciated.
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12th November 2009, 09:00 AM	#21
alienentity Illuminator Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Somewhere between Here and There Posts: 4,240	Originally Posted by Miragememories For starters; Maybe you would like to explain the gross difference between the plumes in your chosen non-explosive, top-down demolition example and what actually occurred in the WTC Towers? Your example shows plumes occurring only at the collapse front, illustrating that as each ceiling collapses, it of course squeezes the air out of each floor. In the WTC Towers, which you believe also collapsed in a similar, top-down, non-explosive manner, there are of course smoke and debris plumes from the initial ceiling collapse. But you fail to explain, or even acknowledge what is occurring on floors that have no reason to be immediately effected by the collapse initiation. Major, very powerful, debris-filled plumes, backed by enough explosive force to blow out heavy, well-secured windows, and well away from the pressure created by the collapse front. MM It's impossible to find another top-down collapse on the same scale as the WTC towers. The verinage collapses just demonstrate that you will get plumes of dust and debris from whatever volume of air escapes the building. You expect the towers to exhibit unique features, which they do. It's certainly worth discussing those features, according to your own interests. However, you should, if you wish to ascribe the plumes to some kind of explosives, then be able to explain why the 'explosive' plumes are a much lower velocity at the top, and black in color, and much higher in velocity and gray or brown in color further down... This effect is perfectly consistent with the idea of escaping air, not explosives. To me, explosives just don't fit the evidence, they don't explain the effects, and they are not required to produce the effects. The CD hypothesis simply is not the best one and actually creates far more problems than it will ever solve. I'm referring especially to that immense set of delusions which holds many truthers in thrall...
	__________________ Heiwa - 'Anyone suggesting that part C structure can one-way crush down part A structure is complicit to mass murder!' 000063 - 'Problem with the Truthers' theories is that anyone with enough power to pull it off doesn't need to in the first place.' mrkinnies 'I'm not a no-planer' 'I don't believe Flight 77 hit the Pentagon'

12th November 2009, 09:59 AM	#22
Justin39640 Illuminator Join Date: May 2009 Location: New York Posts: 3,646	Originally Posted by Miragememories For starters; Maybe you would like to explain the gross difference between the plumes in your chosen non-explosive, top-down demolition example and what actually occurred in the WTC Towers? Your example shows plumes occurring only at the collapse front, illustrating that as each ceiling collapses, it of course squeezes the air out of each floor. In the WTC Towers, which you believe also collapsed in a similar, top-down, non-explosive manner, there are of course smoke and debris plumes from the initial ceiling collapse. But you fail to explain, or even acknowledge what is occurring on floors that have no reason to be immediately effected by the collapse initiation. Major, very powerful, debris-filled plumes, backed by enough explosive force to blow out heavy, well-secured windows, and well away from the pressure created by the collapse front. MM Hmmmmm I didn't notice giant fires and damage from and airliner (rammed at full speed) in the french videos. Did you? Perhaps there's a difference there? (ponders) What other differences are there? In a lot of the verinage videos the windows are all removed and the structures were gutted. I also wonder if the exact same type of concrete was used in the WTC vs those french buildings. Oh and lets not forget about the drywall. Air is a powerful thing. Pneumatic power is big business.
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13th November 2009, 07:00 PM	#23
LashL Goddess of Legaltainment™ Administrator Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 26,180	Fabulous work, alienentity. I echo others who hope that it won't necessarily be your last.