Police and judicial corruption caught on tape.

leftysergeant · 12th November 2009, 09:25 AM

Okay, the thug Sheriff of Maricopa County has just made himself look like the sorriest excuse for a law enforcewment officer in the United States. Time to haul this guy away in hand cuffs and stick him into the general population in his tent city.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlu_yLL3iL4

And take the idiot judge along with him. That airhead has no clue what the Constitution is for.

Roma · 12th November 2009, 09:40 AM

"Personnel acted appropriately!" Sweet Mother of a one-legged monkey!!

However, I am not completely shocked by the way they protect each other's butts.
The old saying: "Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely", if this weren't caught on tape then I don't think anything would happen at all.

leftysergeant · 12th November 2009, 09:43 AM

I somehow get the impression that it will take a Federal investigation to get anything done about it. That county is beyond the pale, from top to bottom.

casebro · 12th November 2009, 02:11 PM

The link brought up a "video removed due to terms of use violation".

A search did bring up a vid of a deputy taking a paper from a lawyer's desk. Is that the heinous crime of which you speak? The paper didn't seem to have any effect on that court activity, since the deputy only had it for a few moments. For all we know, it might have bee the lunch menu from the nearest take-out.

And I don't see how a one incident of a deputy's error of judgment could be used to cry "Sheriff Joe is Corrupt!!!!"

WildCat · 12th November 2009, 03:07 PM

Originally Posted by casebro

And I don't see how a one incident of a deputy's error of judgment could be used to cry "Sheriff Joe is Corrupt!!!!"

It goes way beyond that, all the way to Nixon.

Puppycow · 12th November 2009, 03:34 PM

Quote:

This video has been removed due to terms of use violation.

Anyone care to explain what the fuss is supposed to be about?

leftysergeant · 12th November 2009, 04:29 PM

The communications between a client and attorney are entirely confidential, by law. The deputy had no damned business knowing what was written on ANY of the papers. Period. End of discussion as to whether he had any right to remove it. He is not even a part of the trial procedings. He is just there to maintain physical control over the defendant's person.

Arpio showed an absolute disregard for the law when he issued his statement. That the deputy is not sitting at home without pay pending his charging with a crime is proof of Arpio's corruption and unfitness to hold any law enforcement position in this country.

That the judge did not see anything to be upset about is, by American standards, proof that she is not qualified to sit on the bench or to serve in any capacity in the judiciary. She should be disbarred immediately.

By trhe letter of the law, all of her decisions are now brought into question. All manner of slime may be released if they want to use this incident as evidence that they did not recieve a fair trial in the airhead's court.

Darth Rotor · 12th November 2009, 04:50 PM

Originally Posted by leftysergeant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlu_yLL3iL4

This video has been removed due to terms of use violation.
I thus offer you another link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsGfWIVFF3g&feature=fvhl

Begin at 00:18

DR

Skeptic · 12th November 2009, 10:13 PM

Originally Posted by leftysergeant

Okay, the thug Sheriff of Maricopa County has just made himself look like the sorriest excuse for a law enforcewment officer in the United States. Time to haul this guy away in hand cuffs and stick him into the general population in his tent city..

Nonononononono.

The video is part of an evil conspiracy by hos and pims in the democratic party, the party whose supporters are obviously suffering from a mental illness, to smear an honest, upright man in an honest, upright police department, just because they don't like his political views.

I swear I've heard these sort of excuses somewhere on this forum, just can't remember right now who said them in what context exactly.

Brainster · 12th November 2009, 10:31 PM

Arpaio was pretty good when he started out here, but he's way past his sell-by date. Unfortunately the only way he's leaving office is feet-first at this point.

pipelineaudio · 12th November 2009, 11:43 PM

we made an anti sherrif joe commercial, but pro someone who had no chance in hell unfortunately

The thing that keeps him here is the absolute whacko/evil/corruptness of some of his most vocal detractors. As bad as he is it seems as if maricopa residents need him to keep these other nuts in check.

leftysergeant · 13th November 2009, 06:28 AM

Originally Posted by Skeptic

The video is part of an evil conspiracy by hos and pims in the democratic party, the party whose supporters are obviously suffering from a mental illness, to smear an honest, upright man in an honest, upright police department, just because they don't like his political views.

More likely, the deputy read something derogatory about Arpio and the way he runs hispest hole of a jail and decided he had to do something to warn the sherrif that maybe this lawyer needed to be "dealt with."

Whatever the reason, a minimum of five county officials committed a criminal act in public.

The defendant who noticed the deputies taking the papers deserves to be removed from Arizona under federal custody now for his own safety. Unless he is charged with a violent felony, I think he deserves to walk, all chartges dismissed on grounds of prosecutorial and judicial misconduct.

FlamingMoe · 13th November 2009, 07:21 PM

Without seeing the video and knowing the details, we really can't come to any sort of edicated conclusion about this incident.

And we really shouldn't take the word of lefty "Republicans are literally Nazis" sergeant on what the video shows or the conclusions one can draw from it, given that 95% of his posts can be (generously) labeled "hyperbolically hyperbolic" and/or "melodramatically melodramatic."

Whiplash · 14th November 2009, 12:45 AM

Or flamboyantly flatulent.

quadraginta · 14th November 2009, 05:24 AM

Originally Posted by FlamingMoe

Without seeing the video and knowing the details, we really can't come to any sort of edicated conclusion about this incident.

And we really shouldn't take the word of lefty "Republicans are literally Nazis" sergeant on what the video shows or the conclusions one can draw from it, given that 95% of his posts can be (generously) labeled "hyperbolically hyperbolic" and/or "melodramatically melodramatic."

This worked at time of posting.

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I AGREE

What it looks like is a bored deputy wandered up behind the lawyers' podium during proceedings and happened to glance down at the defense attorney's papers on her desk. He saw something in those papers that caught his attention, gestured for another deputy to come over, removed the one he was fascinated by, and gave it to the second deputy to be taken out of the courtroom, presumably to be copied.

All this while the defense attorney was pleading a case to the judge, two or three feet away.

The violation of attorney/client privilege is mind-boggling, but what I find even more disturbing is the incredible nonchalance that the deputies exhibit, as if it is inconceivable to them that there might even be an impropriety involved.

If officers of the court there, even such low echelon ones, are so utterly unfamiliar with even the most basic of legal precepts, or worse yet, so completely contemptuous of them then there can be little hope for any real justice.

leftysergeant · 14th November 2009, 08:35 AM

That link works, but it does not have the CNN people's reaction to it. Everyone was in agreement that a serious violation of the lawyer's and her client's constitutional rights were violated and that Arpio was dead wrong in defending the idiot deputies' actions.

The prosecutor who witnessed what happened should have been more supportive of the defense attoprney.

And that dum bimbo hjudge should have stopped the whole trial right then and there and had the deputy taken off to jail.

This is a violation of federal law, plain and simple, and there should be at least six people awaiting charges, starting with that thug Arpio.

Brainster · 14th November 2009, 09:54 AM

Originally Posted by pipelineaudio

we made an anti sherrif joe commercial, but pro someone who had no chance in hell unfortunately

The thing that keeps him here is the absolute whacko/evil/corruptness of some of his most vocal detractors. As bad as he is it seems as if maricopa residents need him to keep these other nuts in check.

When he first came in he was a breath of fresh air. The guy before him, Dick Godbehere, was a former lawnmower repairman, who set up this brilliant sting operation. The put an ad in the local paper looking for truckers to haul something across the country. When two truckers replied, they were told that the item they were hauling was pot (the sheriff's deputies were in plain clothes). The truckers were hesitant, so the deputies upped the pay amount, and the guys very reluctantly agreed to do it. So they loaded up the trucks with weed, and busted the truckers a quarter mile down the road. Needless to say, the county attorney looked at the case and laughed, as it was an obvious case of entrapment.

The guy before him had been married 8 times and frequently used his police vehicle to travel a couple hundred miles to woo his 9th wife.

So by comparison, Joe looked pretty good. But his act is wearing thin. I used to vote for him just because it pissed off liberals, but I voted for the other guy the last time around.

WildCat · 14th November 2009, 10:52 AM

I still don't see what this has to do with Arpaio.

leftysergeant · 14th November 2009, 03:33 PM

Originally Posted by WildCat

I still don't see what this has to do with Arpaio.

In the link I posted originally, from CNN, Arpio has released a statement to the effect that his people acted appropriately, and that it was a matter of normal security.

Anyone with an IQ of 90 and a knowledge of the constitution can see that they didn't.

pipelineaudio · 14th November 2009, 07:50 PM

Originally Posted by Brainster

So by comparison, Joe looked pretty good. But his act is wearing thin. I used to vote for him just because it pissed off liberals, but I voted for the other guy the last time around.

I just wonder if Saban can stand-off the racists and whackjobs as well as Joe can. I don't see anyone else standing up to the Guadalupe nazi mayor for instance. I think someone else would have caved

shadron · 14th November 2009, 10:10 PM

Originally Posted by quadraginta

What it looks like is a bored deputy wandered up behind the lawyers' podium during proceedings and happened to glance down at the defense attorney's papers on her desk. He saw something in those papers that caught his attention, gestured for another deputy to come over, removed the one he was fascinated by, and gave it to the second deputy to be taken out of the courtroom, presumably to be copied.

All this while the defense attorney was pleading a case to the judge, two or three feet away.

The violation of attorney/client privilege is mind-boggling, but what I find even more disturbing is the incredible nonchalance that the deputies exhibit, as if it is inconceivable to them that there might even be an impropriety involved.

If officers of the court there, even such low echelon ones, are so utterly unfamiliar with even the most basic of legal precepts, or worse yet, so completely contemptuous of them then there can be little hope for any real justice.

I have to agree that this is pretty egregious. Just the deputy walking up behind the podium while a trial is in session seems weird to me, like he's establishing ownership over the court room. I don't think he was on the trail of a bomb, or a handgun.

The judge seemed to not know what to do. She certainly doesn't seem to be in control of the room, or even of her own schedule. The city municipal judges that I know are much more in control than she was.

INRM · 15th November 2009, 12:42 PM

This is a very serious problem, Law Enforcement officials are not supposed to spy on the communications of a client to his lawyer.

Does this rise to the level of a civil-rights abuse that could be raised in Federal Court?

INRM · 16th November 2009, 03:11 PM

Anybody?

The Painter · 16th November 2009, 03:30 PM

Quote:

This is a very serious problem, Law Enforcement officials are not supposed to spy on the communications of a client to his lawyer.

Oh, that's never happened before, right??? Ask any Mafia boss if their attorney client convo's have been spied on. Hell, Bobby Kennedy did it in the '60's. Grow up. Old news. Yes it's wrong, but it's still old news.

MikeMangum · 16th November 2009, 04:25 PM

Originally Posted by FlamingMoe

Without seeing the video and knowing the details, we really can't come to any sort of edicated conclusion about this incident.

And we really shouldn't take the word of lefty "Republicans are literally Nazis" sergeant on what the video shows or the conclusions one can draw from it, given that 95% of his posts can be (generously) labeled "hyperbolically hyperbolic" and/or "melodramatically melodramatic."

I don't really trust Lefty's judgement about anything either, but in this case he is pointing out a valid problem. The bailiff should at the least lose his job.

theprestige · 16th November 2009, 04:28 PM

Originally Posted by MikeMangum

I don't really trust Lefty's judgement about anything either, but in this case he is pointing out a valid problem. The bailiff should at the least lose his job.

You're kidding, right? The whole thing is an elaborate sting operation designed to reveal the criminal activities of whoever shot the video footage.

casebro · 16th November 2009, 05:29 PM

No clarification from the deputies? Was it a take-out menu, or a hit list? Or a note saying "the judge is a weenie! pass it on" Or the lawyers own message- "for a good time, call me @555-1234".

Tough to see civil right violations when we don't even know what the paper was. Or even if it was the lawyers, it may have been some other notice left on the table. Like the court's schedule. Or "No eating or drinking in the court".

Peephole · 16th November 2009, 05:47 PM

At least he didn't kill anyone's dog this time.

Quote:

It was shortly after noon on July 23 and several men dressed in black jeans and green shirts were getting out of an unmarked white Suburban, casually putting on flak jackets and helmets. Soon the men were lingering in front of his neighbor's house in the upscale gated subdivision of quarter-million-dollar homes.

Delfino never would have guessed that he was witnessing the final preparations by the Maricopa County Sheriff's Office SWAT team moments before it unleashed a barrage of tear gas grenades into his neighbor's home. "They looked unprofessional. They were getting dressed on the scene. They weren't organized," Delfino, 22, says.

From his vantage point inside his home, Delfino couldn't see that deputies had rolled an armored personnel carrier into the neighbor's front yard as they prepared to storm the house. Delfino could see no readily visible insignia on any of the men, so he figured the scene must be a prelude to a prank on the two men and a woman with a toddler who lived in the two-story stucco house across the street.

"I thought, these must be their friends and they are going to try and shoot paint balls at them," Delfino says. But soon he knew that what he first thought was a gag must be about something deadly serious. "I saw one of the guys was perched and aiming a gun at the window," he says. "All of a sudden, he fires off a tear gas round into the upstairs window. "I immediately called 911. I didn't know what was going on."

Delfino says the men -- who he next thought must be members of a gang -- continued firing tear gas canisters through three upstairs windows in the front of the house. He saw others wearing flak jackets go around to the back of the house, where he heard them fire two more rounds at the upstairs windows of a back bedroom. After a few minutes on the phone with a 911 operator, Delfino says, he was told that the Maricopa County Sheriff's Office was serving a search warrant on the house and "not to worry."

That's when Delfino really got nervous. With good reason.

Delfino tells me he didn't know whether a huge gun battle was about to erupt 20 yards from his front door. No one from the sheriff's office had alerted him -- or any of his neighbors -- to evacuate.

Moments later, the situation deteriorated even further when the house erupted into flames. Now, the entire neighborhood of closely packed homes was threatened by the possibility of fire. There wasn't a fire truck in sight.

Delfino's 'hood wouldn't have fared much worse if it had been a gang of street thugs blasting away at the house, rather than Sheriff Joe Arpaio's inept and bumbling SWAT team.

In less than 30 minutes, Arpaio's special forces unleashed an unprecedented wave of violence on this quiet community. Consider this:

• Just after the tear gas canisters were shot, a fire erupted and destroyed a $250,000 home plus all the contents inside. (The home's occupants believe the tear gas canisters caused the fire. Phoenix fire officials say the blaze was probably started by a lighted candle that was knocked onto a bed during the confusion.)

• The armored personnel carrier careened down the street and smashed into a parked car after its brakes failed.

• And in the ultimate display of cruelty, a SWAT team member drove a dog trying to flee the home back into the inferno, where it met an agonizing death.

Deputies then reportedly laughed as the dog's owners came unglued as it perished in the blaze. "I was crying hysterically," Andrea Barker, one of the dog's owners, tells me. "I was so upset. They [deputies] were laughing at me." Making fun of the 10-month-old pit bull puppy's death wasn't enough.

Arpaio's goons then left the dog's body to rot in the ashes for the next five days of 105-degree temperatures. A pall of death hung over the neighborhood. It was a putrid reminder of Arpaio's reckless use of force and callous disregard for the public's welfare. Not to mention the heinous treatment toward the terrified dog.

And what did Arpaio's crack SWAT team net from the raid that left a needless trail of death and destruction?

MCSO stormed the house believing there was a cache of stolen automatic weapons and armor-piercing ammunition. But MCSO got bushwhacked. Instead of finding weapons of mass destruction, they discovered an antique shotgun and a 9 mm pistol that appear to be legal weapons. There was no sign of the cop-killer bullets. Perhaps they are buried somewhere out in the desert, with Saddam's plutonium.

Given the overwhelming display of force deployed by Arpaio's deputies, one would have expected the arrest of a mass murderer. Instead, the crack SWAT boys nabbed 26-year-old Eric Kush. Let me tell you, Kush is really a bad, bad guy.

He was wanted on a misdemeanor warrant for failing to appear in Tempe Municipal Court on a couple of traffic citations. Thank God he's off the street. Well, not quite. He posted his $1,000 bond on the misdemeanor warrant and was quickly released from jail.

...

http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/2004-...afternoon/full

theprestige · 16th November 2009, 05:49 PM

Originally Posted by Peephole

At least he didn't kill anyone's dog this time.

What does this have to do with the OP?

quadraginta · 16th November 2009, 06:00 PM

Originally Posted by casebro

No clarification from the deputies? Was it a take-out menu, or a hit list? Or a note saying "the judge is a weenie! pass it on" Or the lawyers own message- "for a good time, call me @555-1234".

Tough to see civil right violations when we don't even know what the paper was. Or even if it was the lawyers, it may have been some other notice left on the table. Like the court's schedule. Or "No eating or drinking in the court".

You didn't watch the video, did you. The deputy glances down at the edge of a paper inside a file, clearly the attorney's files, slides it out a little to read some more, and then opens the file to remove it.

The violation is in looking in the first place. The content is irrelevant to that. It wouldn't make any difference if it was the attorney's laundry list. Unless the deputy had cause to suspect that there was a firearm stapled to that paper or something there was no plausible reason for him to be rooting through her files.

Why would you want to defend this behavior?

GreyICE · 16th November 2009, 08:22 PM

Originally Posted by casebro

No clarification from the deputies? Was it a take-out menu, or a hit list? Or a note saying "the judge is a weenie! pass it on" Or the lawyers own message- "for a good time, call me @555-1234".

Tough to see civil right violations when we don't even know what the paper was. Or even if it was the lawyers, it may have been some other notice left on the table. Like the court's schedule. Or "No eating or drinking in the court".

I'm not quite sure you grasp the concept of civil liberties.

The concept is not that the police get to violate them until they screw up REALLY badly.

INRM · 20th November 2009, 12:31 PM

GreyICE,

Quote:

I'm not quite sure you grasp the concept of civil liberties.

The concept is not that the police get to violate them until they screw up REALLY badly.

Correct, the concept is that they don't get to violate them at all

INRM

leftysergeant · 20th November 2009, 01:05 PM

Originally Posted by casebro

No clarification from the deputies?

There is nothing to clarify. He had no right to see it. Period. Full stop. Tape ghis mouth shut if he offers an excuse. The only thiong that is permissible out of his mouth is a yes or no answer to the question "Did you look at the lawyer's papers?" If "yes," he is guilty of a felony, and that he is not in jail with Arpio and the bimbo judge is another felony.

Quote:

Was it a take-out menu, or a hit list? Or a note saying "the judge is a weenie! pass it on" Or the lawyers own message- "for a good time, call me @555-1234".

It was communication between a client and a lawyer and it is a felony to access it without a court order and I can concieve of NO grounds for a warrant.

Quote:

Tough to see civil right violations when we don't even know what the paper was.

Bull flops piled to the rafters. It doesn't MATTER what the paper was. The dirtbag had no right to know what it was.

Quote:

Or even if it was the lawyers, it may have been some other notice left on the table. Like the court's schedule. Or "No eating or drinking in the court".

If you wear corrective lenses, put them no and go look at the video again.

12th November 2009, 09:25 AM	#1
leftysergeant Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Spanaway WA Posts: 6,717	Police and judicial corruption caught on tape. Okay, the thug Sheriff of Maricopa County has just made himself look like the sorriest excuse for a law enforcewment officer in the United States. Time to haul this guy away in hand cuffs and stick him into the general population in his tent city. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlu_yLL3iL4 And take the idiot judge along with him. That airhead has no clue what the Constitution is for.

12th November 2009, 09:40 AM	#2
Roma Graduate Poster Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Winnipeg, Canada Posts: 1,083	"Personnel acted appropriately!" Sweet Mother of a one-legged monkey!! However, I am not completely shocked by the way they protect each other's butts. The old saying: "Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely", if this weren't caught on tape then I don't think anything would happen at all.
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12th November 2009, 02:11 PM	#4
casebro Illuminator Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 3,728	The link brought up a "video removed due to terms of use violation". A search did bring up a vid of a deputy taking a paper from a lawyer's desk. Is that the heinous crime of which you speak? The paper didn't seem to have any effect on that court activity, since the deputy only had it for a few moments. For all we know, it might have bee the lunch menu from the nearest take-out. And I don't see how a one incident of a deputy's error of judgment could be used to cry "Sheriff Joe is Corrupt!!!!"
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12th November 2009, 03:07 PM	#5
WildCat NWO Master Conspirator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Albany Park, Chicago Posts: 24,975	Originally Posted by casebro And I don't see how a one incident of a deputy's error of judgment could be used to cry "Sheriff Joe is Corrupt!!!!" It goes way beyond that, all the way to Nixon.
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12th November 2009, 03:34 PM	#6
Puppycow Philosopher Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Japan Posts: 6,323	Quote: This video has been removed due to terms of use violation. Anyone care to explain what the fuss is supposed to be about?
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12th November 2009, 09:43 AM	#3
leftysergeant Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Spanaway WA Posts: 6,717	I somehow get the impression that it will take a Federal investigation to get anything done about it. That county is beyond the pale, from top to bottom.

12th November 2009, 04:29 PM	#7
leftysergeant Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Spanaway WA Posts: 6,717	The communications between a client and attorney are entirely confidential, by law. The deputy had no damned business knowing what was written on ANY of the papers. Period. End of discussion as to whether he had any right to remove it. He is not even a part of the trial procedings. He is just there to maintain physical control over the defendant's person. Arpio showed an absolute disregard for the law when he issued his statement. That the deputy is not sitting at home without pay pending his charging with a crime is proof of Arpio's corruption and unfitness to hold any law enforcement position in this country. That the judge did not see anything to be upset about is, by American standards, proof that she is not qualified to sit on the bench or to serve in any capacity in the judiciary. She should be disbarred immediately. By trhe letter of the law, all of her decisions are now brought into question. All manner of slime may be released if they want to use this incident as evidence that they did not recieve a fair trial in the airhead's court.

12th November 2009, 04:50 PM	#8
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12th November 2009, 10:13 PM	#9
Skeptic Sum, ergo cogito Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Behind the chessboard Posts: 13,322	Originally Posted by leftysergeant Okay, the thug Sheriff of Maricopa County has just made himself look like the sorriest excuse for a law enforcewment officer in the United States. Time to haul this guy away in hand cuffs and stick him into the general population in his tent city.. Nonononononono. The video is part of an evil conspiracy by hos and pims in the democratic party, the party whose supporters are obviously suffering from a mental illness, to smear an honest, upright man in an honest, upright police department, just because they don't like his political views. I swear I've heard these sort of excuses somewhere on this forum, just can't remember right now who said them in what context exactly.
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12th November 2009, 10:31 PM	#10
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12th November 2009, 11:43 PM	#11
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13th November 2009, 06:28 AM	#12
leftysergeant Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Spanaway WA Posts: 6,717	Originally Posted by Skeptic The video is part of an evil conspiracy by hos and pims in the democratic party, the party whose supporters are obviously suffering from a mental illness, to smear an honest, upright man in an honest, upright police department, just because they don't like his political views. More likely, the deputy read something derogatory about Arpio and the way he runs hispest hole of a jail and decided he had to do something to warn the sherrif that maybe this lawyer needed to be "dealt with." Whatever the reason, a minimum of five county officials committed a criminal act in public. The defendant who noticed the deputies taking the papers deserves to be removed from Arizona under federal custody now for his own safety. Unless he is charged with a violent felony, I think he deserves to walk, all chartges dismissed on grounds of prosecutorial and judicial misconduct.

13th November 2009, 07:21 PM	#13
FlamingMoe Muse Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Your mom's house. Posts: 721	Without seeing the video and knowing the details, we really can't come to any sort of edicated conclusion about this incident. And we really shouldn't take the word of lefty "Republicans are literally Nazis" sergeant on what the video shows or the conclusions one can draw from it, given that 95% of his posts can be (generously) labeled "hyperbolically hyperbolic" and/or "melodramatically melodramatic."

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14th November 2009, 08:35 AM	#16
leftysergeant Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Spanaway WA Posts: 6,717	That link works, but it does not have the CNN people's reaction to it. Everyone was in agreement that a serious violation of the lawyer's and her client's constitutional rights were violated and that Arpio was dead wrong in defending the idiot deputies' actions. The prosecutor who witnessed what happened should have been more supportive of the defense attoprney. And that dum bimbo hjudge should have stopped the whole trial right then and there and had the deputy taken off to jail. This is a violation of federal law, plain and simple, and there should be at least six people awaiting charges, starting with that thug Arpio.

14th November 2009, 09:54 AM	#17
Brainster Philosopher Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,062	Originally Posted by pipelineaudio we made an anti sherrif joe commercial, but pro someone who had no chance in hell unfortunately The thing that keeps him here is the absolute whacko/evil/corruptness of some of his most vocal detractors. As bad as he is it seems as if maricopa residents need him to keep these other nuts in check. When he first came in he was a breath of fresh air. The guy before him, Dick Godbehere, was a former lawnmower repairman, who set up this brilliant sting operation. The put an ad in the local paper looking for truckers to haul something across the country. When two truckers replied, they were told that the item they were hauling was pot (the sheriff's deputies were in plain clothes). The truckers were hesitant, so the deputies upped the pay amount, and the guys very reluctantly agreed to do it. So they loaded up the trucks with weed, and busted the truckers a quarter mile down the road. Needless to say, the county attorney looked at the case and laughed, as it was an obvious case of entrapment. The guy before him had been married 8 times and frequently used his police vehicle to travel a couple hundred miles to woo his 9th wife. So by comparison, Joe looked pretty good. But his act is wearing thin. I used to vote for him just because it pissed off liberals, but I voted for the other guy the last time around.
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14th November 2009, 10:52 AM	#18
WildCat NWO Master Conspirator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Albany Park, Chicago Posts: 24,975	I still don't see what this has to do with Arpaio.
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14th November 2009, 03:33 PM	#19
leftysergeant Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Spanaway WA Posts: 6,717	Originally Posted by WildCat I still don't see what this has to do with Arpaio. In the link I posted originally, from CNN, Arpio has released a statement to the effect that his people acted appropriately, and that it was a matter of normal security. Anyone with an IQ of 90 and a knowledge of the constitution can see that they didn't.

14th November 2009, 07:50 PM	#20
pipelineaudio Master Poster Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Wickenburg, AZ Posts: 2,205	Originally Posted by Brainster So by comparison, Joe looked pretty good. But his act is wearing thin. I used to vote for him just because it pissed off liberals, but I voted for the other guy the last time around. I just wonder if Saban can stand-off the racists and whackjobs as well as Joe can. I don't see anyone else standing up to the Guadalupe nazi mayor for instance. I think someone else would have caved
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14th November 2009, 10:10 PM	#21
shadron Illuminator Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Colorado Posts: 3,856	Originally Posted by quadraginta What it looks like is a bored deputy wandered up behind the lawyers' podium during proceedings and happened to glance down at the defense attorney's papers on her desk. He saw something in those papers that caught his attention, gestured for another deputy to come over, removed the one he was fascinated by, and gave it to the second deputy to be taken out of the courtroom, presumably to be copied. All this while the defense attorney was pleading a case to the judge, two or three feet away. The violation of attorney/client privilege is mind-boggling, but what I find even more disturbing is the incredible nonchalance that the deputies exhibit, as if it is inconceivable to them that there might even be an impropriety involved. If officers of the court there, even such low echelon ones, are so utterly unfamiliar with even the most basic of legal precepts, or worse yet, so completely contemptuous of them then there can be little hope for any real justice. I have to agree that this is pretty egregious. Just the deputy walking up behind the podium while a trial is in session seems weird to me, like he's establishing ownership over the court room. I don't think he was on the trail of a bomb, or a handgun. The judge seemed to not know what to do. She certainly doesn't seem to be in control of the room, or even of her own schedule. The city municipal judges that I know are much more in control than she was.

15th November 2009, 12:42 PM	#22
INRM Illuminator Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 3,571	This is a very serious problem, Law Enforcement officials are not supposed to spy on the communications of a client to his lawyer. Does this rise to the level of a civil-rights abuse that could be raised in Federal Court?
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16th November 2009, 03:11 PM	#23
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16th November 2009, 03:30 PM	#24
The Painter Master Poster Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: New York Posts: 2,226	Quote: This is a very serious problem, Law Enforcement officials are not supposed to spy on the communications of a client to his lawyer. Oh, that's never happened before, right??? Ask any Mafia boss if their attorney client convo's have been spied on. Hell, Bobby Kennedy did it in the '60's. Grow up. Old news. Yes it's wrong, but it's still old news.

16th November 2009, 04:25 PM	#25
MikeMangum Muse Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 612	Originally Posted by FlamingMoe Without seeing the video and knowing the details, we really can't come to any sort of edicated conclusion about this incident. And we really shouldn't take the word of lefty "Republicans are literally Nazis" sergeant on what the video shows or the conclusions one can draw from it, given that 95% of his posts can be (generously) labeled "hyperbolically hyperbolic" and/or "melodramatically melodramatic." I don't really trust Lefty's judgement about anything either, but in this case he is pointing out a valid problem. The bailiff should at the least lose his job.
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16th November 2009, 04:28 PM	#26
theprestige Master Poster Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 2,096	Originally Posted by MikeMangum I don't really trust Lefty's judgement about anything either, but in this case he is pointing out a valid problem. The bailiff should at the least lose his job. You're kidding, right? The whole thing is an elaborate sting operation designed to reveal the criminal activities of whoever shot the video footage.

16th November 2009, 05:29 PM	#27
casebro Illuminator Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 3,728	No clarification from the deputies? Was it a take-out menu, or a hit list? Or a note saying "the judge is a weenie! pass it on" Or the lawyers own message- "for a good time, call me @555-1234". Tough to see civil right violations when we don't even know what the paper was. Or even if it was the lawyers, it may have been some other notice left on the table. Like the court's schedule. Or "No eating or drinking in the court".
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16th November 2009, 05:47 PM	#28
Peephole Graduate Poster Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Belgium Posts: 1,328	At least he didn't kill anyone's dog this time. Quote: It was shortly after noon on July 23 and several men dressed in black jeans and green shirts were getting out of an unmarked white Suburban, casually putting on flak jackets and helmets. Soon the men were lingering in front of his neighbor's house in the upscale gated subdivision of quarter-million-dollar homes. Delfino never would have guessed that he was witnessing the final preparations by the Maricopa County Sheriff's Office SWAT team moments before it unleashed a barrage of tear gas grenades into his neighbor's home. "They looked unprofessional. They were getting dressed on the scene. They weren't organized," Delfino, 22, says. From his vantage point inside his home, Delfino couldn't see that deputies had rolled an armored personnel carrier into the neighbor's front yard as they prepared to storm the house. Delfino could see no readily visible insignia on any of the men, so he figured the scene must be a prelude to a prank on the two men and a woman with a toddler who lived in the two-story stucco house across the street. "I thought, these must be their friends and they are going to try and shoot paint balls at them," Delfino says. But soon he knew that what he first thought was a gag must be about something deadly serious. "I saw one of the guys was perched and aiming a gun at the window," he says. "All of a sudden, he fires off a tear gas round into the upstairs window. "I immediately called 911. I didn't know what was going on." Delfino says the men -- who he next thought must be members of a gang -- continued firing tear gas canisters through three upstairs windows in the front of the house. He saw others wearing flak jackets go around to the back of the house, where he heard them fire two more rounds at the upstairs windows of a back bedroom. After a few minutes on the phone with a 911 operator, Delfino says, he was told that the Maricopa County Sheriff's Office was serving a search warrant on the house and "not to worry." That's when Delfino really got nervous. With good reason. Delfino tells me he didn't know whether a huge gun battle was about to erupt 20 yards from his front door. No one from the sheriff's office had alerted him -- or any of his neighbors -- to evacuate. Moments later, the situation deteriorated even further when the house erupted into flames. Now, the entire neighborhood of closely packed homes was threatened by the possibility of fire. There wasn't a fire truck in sight. Delfino's 'hood wouldn't have fared much worse if it had been a gang of street thugs blasting away at the house, rather than Sheriff Joe Arpaio's inept and bumbling SWAT team. In less than 30 minutes, Arpaio's special forces unleashed an unprecedented wave of violence on this quiet community. Consider this: • Just after the tear gas canisters were shot, a fire erupted and destroyed a $250,000 home plus all the contents inside. (The home's occupants believe the tear gas canisters caused the fire. Phoenix fire officials say the blaze was probably started by a lighted candle that was knocked onto a bed during the confusion.) • The armored personnel carrier careened down the street and smashed into a parked car after its brakes failed. • And in the ultimate display of cruelty, a SWAT team member drove a dog trying to flee the home back into the inferno, where it met an agonizing death. Deputies then reportedly laughed as the dog's owners came unglued as it perished in the blaze. "I was crying hysterically," Andrea Barker, one of the dog's owners, tells me. "I was so upset. They [deputies] were laughing at me." Making fun of the 10-month-old pit bull puppy's death wasn't enough. Arpaio's goons then left the dog's body to rot in the ashes for the next five days of 105-degree temperatures. A pall of death hung over the neighborhood. It was a putrid reminder of Arpaio's reckless use of force and callous disregard for the public's welfare. Not to mention the heinous treatment toward the terrified dog. And what did Arpaio's crack SWAT team net from the raid that left a needless trail of death and destruction? MCSO stormed the house believing there was a cache of stolen automatic weapons and armor-piercing ammunition. But MCSO got bushwhacked. Instead of finding weapons of mass destruction, they discovered an antique shotgun and a 9 mm pistol that appear to be legal weapons. There was no sign of the cop-killer bullets. Perhaps they are buried somewhere out in the desert, with Saddam's plutonium. Given the overwhelming display of force deployed by Arpaio's deputies, one would have expected the arrest of a mass murderer. Instead, the crack SWAT boys nabbed 26-year-old Eric Kush. Let me tell you, Kush is really a bad, bad guy. He was wanted on a misdemeanor warrant for failing to appear in Tempe Municipal Court on a couple of traffic citations. Thank God he's off the street. Well, not quite. He posted his $1,000 bond on the misdemeanor warrant and was quickly released from jail. ... http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/2004-...afternoon/full
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16th November 2009, 05:49 PM	#29
theprestige Master Poster Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 2,096	Originally Posted by Peephole At least he didn't kill anyone's dog this time. What does this have to do with the OP?

16th November 2009, 06:00 PM	#30
quadraginta What was the question? Join Date: May 2009 Location: Central Vale of Humility Posts: 2,029	Originally Posted by casebro No clarification from the deputies? Was it a take-out menu, or a hit list? Or a note saying "the judge is a weenie! pass it on" Or the lawyers own message- "for a good time, call me @555-1234". Tough to see civil right violations when we don't even know what the paper was. Or even if it was the lawyers, it may have been some other notice left on the table. Like the court's schedule. Or "No eating or drinking in the court". You didn't watch the video, did you. The deputy glances down at the edge of a paper inside a file, clearly the attorney's files, slides it out a little to read some more, and then opens the file to remove it. The violation is in looking in the first place. The content is irrelevant to that. It wouldn't make any difference if it was the attorney's laundry list. Unless the deputy had cause to suspect that there was a firearm stapled to that paper or something there was no plausible reason for him to be rooting through her files. Why would you want to defend this behavior?
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16th November 2009, 08:22 PM	#31
GreyICE Philosopher Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 6,541	Originally Posted by casebro No clarification from the deputies? Was it a take-out menu, or a hit list? Or a note saying "the judge is a weenie! pass it on" Or the lawyers own message- "for a good time, call me @555-1234". Tough to see civil right violations when we don't even know what the paper was. Or even if it was the lawyers, it may have been some other notice left on the table. Like the court's schedule. Or "No eating or drinking in the court". I'm not quite sure you grasp the concept of civil liberties. The concept is not that the police get to violate them until they screw up REALLY badly.
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20th November 2009, 12:31 PM	#32
INRM Illuminator Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 3,571	GreyICE, Quote: I'm not quite sure you grasp the concept of civil liberties. The concept is not that the police get to violate them until they screw up REALLY badly. Correct, the concept is that they don't get to violate them at all INRM
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20th November 2009, 01:05 PM	#33
leftysergeant Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Spanaway WA Posts: 6,717	Originally Posted by casebro No clarification from the deputies? There is nothing to clarify. He had no right to see it. Period. Full stop. Tape ghis mouth shut if he offers an excuse. The only thiong that is permissible out of his mouth is a yes or no answer to the question "Did you look at the lawyer's papers?" If "yes," he is guilty of a felony, and that he is not in jail with Arpio and the bimbo judge is another felony. Quote: Was it a take-out menu, or a hit list? Or a note saying "the judge is a weenie! pass it on" Or the lawyers own message- "for a good time, call me @555-1234". It was communication between a client and a lawyer and it is a felony to access it without a court order and I can concieve of NO grounds for a warrant. Quote: Tough to see civil right violations when we don't even know what the paper was. Bull flops piled to the rafters. It doesn't MATTER what the paper was. The dirtbag had no right to know what it was. Quote: Or even if it was the lawyers, it may have been some other notice left on the table. Like the court's schedule. Or "No eating or drinking in the court". If you wear corrective lenses, put them no and go look at the video again.