KSM to be tried in NYC - Page 6

TexasJack · 14th November 2009, 04:42 PM

Originally Posted by Algebra34

Oh please. Atta was an idiot if anything. That's it. And so were the rest of the stooges They were of no higher caliber than the genius who were caught after the 93 bombing. Probably less. You don't even know who Atta actually was nor do I. Give it up.

Is your answer to everything? Oh please? Or are you actually going to provide evidence of what you post? Still waiting.

Algebra34 · 14th November 2009, 04:44 PM

Originally Posted by TexasJack

Do you think KSM was educated and smart? If not why? Please provide evidence; I'm not interested in your ignorance of why they planned the attacks.

From reading interviews with him and asinine statements he has made no, I don't think he could be any kind of mastermind of anything. He is an idiot trying to pass himself off as some kind of martyr. I don't need anymore evidence than the statements of the CIA.

One CIA official cautioned that "many of Mohammed's claims during interrogation were 'white noise' designed to send the U.S. on wild goose chases or to get him through the day's interrogation session".

dtugg · 14th November 2009, 04:46 PM

If guys like Atta and KSM were uneducated and stupid what does that make a certain moron on this forum that compares BBQ grills to skyscrapers and has never seen set foot on a university?

Arus808 · 14th November 2009, 04:46 PM

Originally Posted by Algebra34

Oh please. Atta was an idiot if anything.

Idiot in what sense?

The fact that he followed the wills of what his "religion" asked of him to do; its leaders convincing him that his sacrifice would bring him glory to him, to his people, his country, and his "god"?

Sorry, but that is not being an "idiot" in any sense of the word. He followed his beliefs and his beliefs were supported by fellow of his believers.

HE knew exactly what he was getting into.

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That's it. And so were the rest of the stooges They were of no higher caliber than the genius who were caught after the 93 bombing. Probably less. You don't even know who Atta actually was nor do I. Give it up.

You shown that you have given up based on your ignorance.

Algebra34 · 14th November 2009, 04:47 PM

Originally Posted by A W Smith

You brought it up genius. You claim the hijackers were pasties, and were uneducated. I handed your ass to you . Go ahead. prove Atta didn't attend university of Cairo which earned him a degree in architectural engineering and did then follow up and attend a university in Hamburg. Floors all yours

http://books.google.com/books?id=fNq...age&q=&f=false

I don't care if he did attend the UOC. If your story is he flew a plane into the WTC and as a result brought all kinds of retribution down on his own people then I say yeah, he was a friggin idiot.

What are you?

A W Smith · 14th November 2009, 04:49 PM

Originally Posted by Algebra34

From reading interviews with him and asinine statements he has made no, I don't think he could be any kind of mastermind of anything. He is an idiot trying to pass himself off as some kind of martyr. I don't need anymore evidence than the statements of the CIA.

One CIA official cautioned that "many of Mohammed's claims during interrogation were 'white noise' designed to send the U.S. on wild goose chases or to get him through the day's interrogation session".

Boy you are not doing well at all. KSM earned a degree in mechanical engineering.

http://books.google.com/books?id=fNq...cation&f=false

Algebra34 · 14th November 2009, 04:50 PM

Originally Posted by Arus808

Idiot in what sense?

The fact that he followed the wills of what his "religion" asked of him to do; its leaders convincing him that his sacrifice would bring him glory to him, to his people, his country, and his "god"?

Sorry, but that is not being an "idiot" in any sense of the word. He followed his beliefs and his beliefs were supported by fellow of his believers.

HE knew exactly what he was getting into.

You shown that you have given up based on your ignorance.

Why was he an idiot? What did he accomplish? What's the body count? 3,000 vs what? A million?

Arus808 · 14th November 2009, 04:50 PM

Originally Posted by Algebra34

I don't care if he did attend the UOC. If your story is he flew a plane into the WTC and as a result brought all kinds of retribution down on his own people then I say yeah, he was a friggin idiot.

You are forgetting that it wasn't retribution they were looking for. YOU really need to start reading the books linked to you, cause it shows you absolutely know nothing of why and whom planned the 9/11 attacks

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What are you?

smarter than you it seems

TexasJack · 14th November 2009, 05:05 PM

Originally Posted by Algebra34

Come on guys. You got something better no?

You've provided nothing substantive that KSM or Atta were uneducated or idiots, incapable of pulling off the 9/11 event, other than your own personal incredulity. When you decide to provide evidence to the contrary, perhaps will have something better.

Algebra34 · 14th November 2009, 05:17 PM

Originally Posted by TexasJack

You've provided nothing substantive that KSM or Atta were uneducated or idiots, incapable of pulling off the 9/11 event, other than your own personal incredulity. When you decide to provide evidence to the contrary, perhaps will have something better.

You've provided nothing substantive that KSM or Atta were educated in any sense of the term. I have provide their actions and statements that show they were idiots.

They were and are imbeciles.

T.A.M. · 14th November 2009, 05:22 PM

Originally Posted by Algebra34

Yes I do according to the official version. They flew a plane into a skyscraper.

Is that educated? In what world? How about you? Are you educated? Would you like to debate something or slink away like Unloved?

I'll tell you what is uneducated. Someone who misinterprets Religious Fanaticism as stupidity. They are not one in the same. As well, hatred for someone, or another country, is not stupidity. You can wrongfully equate these things, but in the end, doing so only makes YOU look stupid.

TAM

DGM · 14th November 2009, 05:23 PM

Originally Posted by Algebra34

You've provided nothing substantive that KSM or Atta were educated in any sense of the term. I have provide their actions and statements that show they were idiots.

They were and are imbeciles.

Were the Japanese "idiots" because they attacked Pearl Harbor?

TexasJack · 14th November 2009, 05:25 PM

Originally Posted by Algebra

You've provided nothing substantive that KS or Attar were educated in any sense of the term. I have provide their actions and statements that show they were idiots.

They were and are imbeciles.

Their education has been posted here multiple times, and the basis for the attacks are well-documented in the books I have listed. You, on the other hand, have provided absolutely nothing.

T.A.M. · 14th November 2009, 05:25 PM

You want to prove they were idiots, then prove that they were DUPED into flying those planes into the buildings. Prove that they thought they were up there to do something besides that, and then had the planes taken out of their control.

Because you feel they were stupid for doing something, does not mean they were stupid. Are you smart enough to understand that???

TAM

T.A.M. · 14th November 2009, 05:29 PM

Here is what I think...

These men, full of hatred for the great invaders, the great American Beast, outsmarted many levels of American intelligence and security, and brought the most powerful nation in the world, nearly to its knees.

That is as far as I figure they saw it. Paradise awaited them as a reward. Now you may think they are stupid for believing such things, but that is merely your opinion. From where I stand, looking at it from their point of view, and those like them, they were geniuses.

Go read John Farmer's "The Ground Truth". I know you were all hoping it was gonna blow the whistle on the big bad NWO, but it didn't. As a matter of fact, it is a GREAT READ.

TAM

Algebra34 · 14th November 2009, 05:30 PM

Originally Posted by DGM

Were the Japanese "idiots" because they attacked Pearl Harbor?

What happened to Japan in the end?

A W Smith · 14th November 2009, 05:30 PM

Originally Posted by Algebra34

You've provided nothing substantive that KSM or Atta were educated in any sense of the term. I have provide their actions and statements that show they were idiots.

They were and are imbeciles.

No they weren't.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&s...e&ved=0CAcQkAE

Sam.I.Am · 14th November 2009, 05:31 PM

Over the ages, millions of intelligent and educated people have been willing to die for their beliefs and causes. Their beliefs or causes may be considered by many to be misguided but that doesn't automatically make them idiots or imbeciles.

T.A.M. · 14th November 2009, 05:32 PM

Perhaps you should reword your comments to , "I think they were stupid for doing X" as opposed to "They were idiots". When you use the latter, most will interpret it to mean that you believe they were simpletons. I know you are not dumb enough to believe that, so perhaps clarifying what you mean would help.

TAM

Algebra34 · 14th November 2009, 05:35 PM

Originally Posted by T.A.M.

Here is what I think...

These men, full of hatred for the great invaders, the great American Beast, outsmarted many levels of American intelligence and security, and brought the most powerful nation in the world, nearly to its knees.

That is as far as I figure they saw it. Paradise awaited them as a reward. Now you may think they are stupid for believing such things, but that is merely your opinion. From where I stand, looking at it from their point of view, and those like them, they were geniuses.

Go read John Farmer's "The Ground Truth". I know you were all hoping it was gonna blow the whistle on the big bad NWO, but it didn't. As a matter of fact, it is a GREAT READ.

TAM

Did they not realize the retribution it would bring down on their people? Even UBL's biggest beef before 9/11 was foreign presence in the Middle East. We are there now more than ever. What was the purpose of the 9/11 attacks? What did they gain?

Idiots. If it's true.

T.A.M. · 14th November 2009, 05:39 PM

Originally Posted by Algebra34

Did they not realize the retribution it would bring down on their people? Even UBL's biggest beef before 9/11 was foreign presence in the Middle East. We are there now more than ever. What was the purpose of the 9/11 attacks? What did they gain?

Idiots. If it's true.

You are looking back with 20/20 hindsight. We all do. However, in this case that is a flawed perspective. At the time of the planning and carrying out of the attacks, what you had were a handful of men, working to carry out a religiously motivated attack. An attack which, according to their interpretation of their religion, would lead to eternity in paradise.

You might look back and say those who fought in the Crusades, all idiots. But there were, no doubt, many well educated, intelligent men, who fought in, or defended, the crusades based on their religious convictions.

TAM

Redtail · 14th November 2009, 05:43 PM

Originally Posted by Algebra34

What happened to Japan in the end?

They became a major economic power.

T.A.M. · 14th November 2009, 05:46 PM

Originally Posted by Algebra34

Yes it is. If you are educated there is a means to an end. What did they gain?

They gained eternity in Paradise, or at least that is what they believed...that was their motivation. Whether they actually received their reward, is a matter of faith and the correctness of their interpretation of the doctrine of said faith.

TAM

A W Smith · 14th November 2009, 05:47 PM

Originally Posted by Algebra34

Did they not realize the retribution it would bring down on their people? Even UBL's biggest beef before 9/11 was foreign presence in the Middle East. We are there now more than ever. What was the purpose of the 9/11 attacks? What did they gain?

Idiots. If it's true.

Did they not realize the retribution it would bring down on their people for the 1993 WTC bombing?

Did they not realize the retribution it would bring down on their people for the 2000 USS Cole attack?

Did they not realize the retribution it would bring down on their people for the 1998 Kenya and Tanzania US embassy attacks?

And even after 9/11. they are still doing it!!

http://www.number10.gov.uk/Page7930

Redtail · 14th November 2009, 05:47 PM

Originally Posted by Algebra34

Yes it is. If you are educated there is a means to an end. What did they gain?

Martyrdom, hurt the US economy, proved the US could be successfully attacked, etc...

Professor Yaffle · 14th November 2009, 05:53 PM

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Algebra34 · 14th November 2009, 05:54 PM

Originally Posted by Redtail

Martyrdom, hurt the US economy, proved the US could be successfully attacked, etc...

That is debatable. I'm sure it did help tank the economy but it was already going to and already was tanking from domestic financial terrorism. We have people right here in this county hurting America everyday. Maybe fatally hurting it with their greed and control.

Algebra34 · 14th November 2009, 06:04 PM

Originally Posted by Redtail

They became a major economic power.

Yeah. That was a good trade off having two atomic bombs dropped on them. They attacked pearl harbor because they had no choice. It almost worked for them but it was a big gamble. Now they want us out of there. We should leave. I just hope my great great grand child isn't fighting them in WW7.

portlandatheist · 14th November 2009, 06:09 PM

So the truthers claim they have evidence that it was an inside job. Regardless if whether KSM was an innocent patsy, or part of the conspiracy, they fail to bother to bring this evidence to his defense. They claim injustice but do nothing about it except use their available resources to make videos and websites and not to actually do anything meaningful here in the real world.
Way to go guys.

CHF · 14th November 2009, 06:12 PM

I can't wait to see the truthers outside the courtroom demanding KSM be set free.

You will be demanding his release, right truthers?

T.A.M. · 14th November 2009, 06:13 PM

Originally Posted by portlandatheist

So the truthers claim they have evidence that it was an inside job. Regardless if whether KSM was an innocent patsy, or part of the conspiracy, they fail to bother to bring this evidence to his defense. They claim injustice but do nothing about it except use their available resources to make videos and websites and not to actually do anything meaningful here in the real world.
Way to go guys.

They don't care about KSM or his guilt/innocence. This has never been about the poor innocent Al Qaeda patsies. It is about the big bad government, raging against the machine, and generally griping.

As others have said, we will see how many of these wonderful souls in the truth movement physically come to the defense of this poor innocent man when the trial starts.

TAM

Algebra34 · 14th November 2009, 06:13 PM

Originally Posted by portlandatheist

So the truthers claim they have evidence that it was an inside job. Regardless if whether KSM was an innocent patsy, or part of the conspiracy, they fail to bother to bring this evidence to his defense. They claim injustice but do nothing about it except use their available resources to make videos and websites and not to actually do anything meaningful here in the real world.
Way to go guys.

Not all truthers claim to have evidence of an inside job. Many only claim that we were lied to by the Bush administration in the same way we were lied into war. They told the truth about nothing. 911 was no different.

T.A.M. · 14th November 2009, 06:15 PM

Originally Posted by Algebra34

Not all truthers claim to have evidence of an inside job. Many only claim that we were lied to by the Bush administration in the same way we were lied into war. They told the truth about nothing. 911 was no different.

John Farmer agrees with you to a large degree. So is he an idiot for believing that the hijackers carried out 9/11 for KSM and OBL after reading all that he has, and seeing all the evidence that he has?

I would suggest you read his book, but it would be a waste of your time, as you would simply dismiss it.

TAM

Algebra34 · 14th November 2009, 06:17 PM

Originally Posted by CHF

I can't wait to see the truthers outside the courtroom demanding KSM be set free.

You will be demanding his release, right truthers?

Why should he be set free? He is a bad guy. No doubt. It doesn't mean though he pulled off 9/11. You can wrap your head around this can't you?

dtugg · 14th November 2009, 06:20 PM

Originally Posted by Algebra34

Why should he be set free? He is a bad guy. No doubt. It doesn't mean though he pulled off 9/11. You can wrap your head around this can't you?

Hey genius, if he didn't do 9/11 then yes he should be set free. In case you didn't know, that's why the US government has him in custody.

T.A.M. · 14th November 2009, 06:21 PM

Originally Posted by Algebra34

Why should he be set free? He is a bad guy. No doubt. It doesn't mean though he pulled off 9/11. You can wrap your head around this can't you?

Well he should be set free if he is innocent of the 9/11 attacks, shouldn't he? I mean that is why he is being held. That is why he is going on trial. He isn't going to trial for having bad hair, or looking mean, now is he?

Can you get your head around the fact that you and your trutherkind could care less about this man being convicted of a crime you allege he did not commit, because your motive has nothing to do with justice, but rather your hatred for the government, and authority in general.

TAM

Algebra34 · 14th November 2009, 06:27 PM

Originally Posted by dtugg

Hey genius, if he didn't do 9/11 then yes he should be set free. In case you didn't know, that's why the US government has him in custody.

Not really no. If you are going to set up a patsy you might as well set up someone who fits the bill. I have no doubt this is a bad guy and I don't care if they give him the guillotine. But just because he is a bad guy and likes to shoot his mouth off doesn't really mean a whole lot as far as 9/11 goes. He is just the convenient one at this point as far as I'm concerned. Especially since they can't catch UBL or were told to back off.

A W Smith · 14th November 2009, 06:27 PM

Originally Posted by Algebra34

Why should he be set free? He is a bad guy. No doubt. It doesn't mean though he pulled off 9/11. You can wrap your head around this can't you?

Wait just a second Genius. KSM,, who wasn't even on a plane, and "didn't pull off 9/11". Is a bad guy? and shouldn't be set free? No I cant wrap my head around your illogic. care to clarify?

dtugg · 14th November 2009, 06:30 PM

You have a shockingly poor grasp of how the justice system should work. No surprise there, you are a twoofer and thus have a poor grasp on pretty much everything.

portlandatheist · 14th November 2009, 06:36 PM

Originally Posted by Algebra34

Not all truthers claim to have evidence of an inside job. Many only claim that we were lied to by the Bush administration in the same way we were lied into war. They told the truth about nothing. 911 was no different.

You are wrong. Truthers have vastly different viewpoints and often times hold self contradictory beliefs but one thing they share in common is shifting the blame from the perpetrators to the US Government, thus "evidence" for an "inside job".

14th November 2009, 04:44 PM	#202
Algebra34 Banned Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 637	Originally Posted by TexasJack Do you think KSM was educated and smart? If not why? Please provide evidence; I'm not interested in your ignorance of why they planned the attacks. From reading interviews with him and asinine statements he has made no, I don't think he could be any kind of mastermind of anything. He is an idiot trying to pass himself off as some kind of martyr. I don't need anymore evidence than the statements of the CIA. One CIA official cautioned that "many of Mohammed's claims during interrogation were 'white noise' designed to send the U.S. on wild goose chases or to get him through the day's interrogation session".
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14th November 2009, 04:46 PM	#204
Arus808 Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 6,202	Originally Posted by Algebra34 Oh please. Atta was an idiot if anything. Idiot in what sense? The fact that he followed the wills of what his "religion" asked of him to do; its leaders convincing him that his sacrifice would bring him glory to him, to his people, his country, and his "god"? Sorry, but that is not being an "idiot" in any sense of the word. He followed his beliefs and his beliefs were supported by fellow of his believers. HE knew exactly what he was getting into. Quote: That's it. And so were the rest of the stooges They were of no higher caliber than the genius who were caught after the 93 bombing. Probably less. You don't even know who Atta actually was nor do I. Give it up. You shown that you have given up based on your ignorance.
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14th November 2009, 04:47 PM	#205
Algebra34 Banned Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 637	Originally Posted by A W Smith You brought it up genius. You claim the hijackers were pasties, and were uneducated. I handed your ass to you . Go ahead. prove Atta didn't attend university of Cairo which earned him a degree in architectural engineering and did then follow up and attend a university in Hamburg. Floors all yours http://books.google.com/books?id=fNq...age&q=&f=false I don't care if he did attend the UOC. If your story is he flew a plane into the WTC and as a result brought all kinds of retribution down on his own people then I say yeah, he was a friggin idiot. What are you?
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14th November 2009, 04:49 PM	#206
A W Smith Philosopher Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Central Jersey Posts: 7,031	Originally Posted by Algebra34 From reading interviews with him and asinine statements he has made no, I don't think he could be any kind of mastermind of anything. He is an idiot trying to pass himself off as some kind of martyr. I don't need anymore evidence than the statements of the CIA. One CIA official cautioned that "many of Mohammed's claims during interrogation were 'white noise' designed to send the U.S. on wild goose chases or to get him through the day's interrogation session". Boy you are not doing well at all. KSM earned a degree in mechanical engineering. http://books.google.com/books?id=fNq...cation&f=false
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14th November 2009, 04:50 PM	#207
Algebra34 Banned Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 637	Originally Posted by Arus808 Idiot in what sense? The fact that he followed the wills of what his "religion" asked of him to do; its leaders convincing him that his sacrifice would bring him glory to him, to his people, his country, and his "god"? Sorry, but that is not being an "idiot" in any sense of the word. He followed his beliefs and his beliefs were supported by fellow of his believers. HE knew exactly what he was getting into. You shown that you have given up based on your ignorance. Why was he an idiot? What did he accomplish? What's the body count? 3,000 vs what? A million?
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14th November 2009, 04:42 PM	#201
TexasJack Penultimate Amazing Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 10,881	Originally Posted by Algebra34 Oh please. Atta was an idiot if anything. That's it. And so were the rest of the stooges They were of no higher caliber than the genius who were caught after the 93 bombing. Probably less. You don't even know who Atta actually was nor do I. Give it up. Is your answer to everything? Oh please? Or are you actually going to provide evidence of what you post? Still waiting.

14th November 2009, 04:46 PM	#203
dtugg Banned Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: NWO headquarters Posts: 7,898	If guys like Atta and KSM were uneducated and stupid what does that make a certain moron on this forum that compares BBQ grills to skyscrapers and has never seen set foot on a university?

14th November 2009, 04:50 PM	#208
Arus808 Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 6,202	Originally Posted by Algebra34 I don't care if he did attend the UOC. If your story is he flew a plane into the WTC and as a result brought all kinds of retribution down on his own people then I say yeah, he was a friggin idiot. You are forgetting that it wasn't retribution they were looking for. YOU really need to start reading the books linked to you, cause it shows you absolutely know nothing of why and whom planned the 9/11 attacks Quote: What are you? smarter than you it seems
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14th November 2009, 05:05 PM	#209
TexasJack Penultimate Amazing Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 10,881	Originally Posted by Algebra34 Come on guys. You got something better no? You've provided nothing substantive that KSM or Atta were uneducated or idiots, incapable of pulling off the 9/11 event, other than your own personal incredulity. When you decide to provide evidence to the contrary, perhaps will have something better.

14th November 2009, 05:17 PM	#210
Algebra34 Banned Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 637	Originally Posted by TexasJack You've provided nothing substantive that KSM or Atta were uneducated or idiots, incapable of pulling off the 9/11 event, other than your own personal incredulity. When you decide to provide evidence to the contrary, perhaps will have something better. You've provided nothing substantive that KSM or Atta were educated in any sense of the term. I have provide their actions and statements that show they were idiots. They were and are imbeciles.
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14th November 2009, 05:22 PM	#211
T.A.M. Keeper of the Kool-Vax Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: The Far East...of Canada Posts: 20,816	Originally Posted by Algebra34 Yes I do according to the official version. They flew a plane into a skyscraper. Is that educated? In what world? How about you? Are you educated? Would you like to debate something or slink away like Unloved? I'll tell you what is uneducated. Someone who misinterprets Religious Fanaticism as stupidity. They are not one in the same. As well, hatred for someone, or another country, is not stupidity. You can wrongfully equate these things, but in the end, doing so only makes YOU look stupid. TAM

14th November 2009, 05:23 PM	#212
DGM #4 Join Date: May 2007 Location: West of Northshore MA Posts: 14,345	Originally Posted by Algebra34 You've provided nothing substantive that KSM or Atta were educated in any sense of the term. I have provide their actions and statements that show they were idiots. They were and are imbeciles. Were the Japanese "idiots" because they attacked Pearl Harbor?
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14th November 2009, 05:25 PM	#213
TexasJack Penultimate Amazing Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 10,881	Originally Posted by Algebra You've provided nothing substantive that KS or Attar were educated in any sense of the term. I have provide their actions and statements that show they were idiots. They were and are imbeciles. Their education has been posted here multiple times, and the basis for the attacks are well-documented in the books I have listed. You, on the other hand, have provided absolutely nothing.

14th November 2009, 05:25 PM	#214
T.A.M. Keeper of the Kool-Vax Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: The Far East...of Canada Posts: 20,816	You want to prove they were idiots, then prove that they were DUPED into flying those planes into the buildings. Prove that they thought they were up there to do something besides that, and then had the planes taken out of their control. Because you feel they were stupid for doing something, does not mean they were stupid. Are you smart enough to understand that??? TAM

14th November 2009, 05:29 PM	#215
T.A.M. Keeper of the Kool-Vax Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: The Far East...of Canada Posts: 20,816	Here is what I think... These men, full of hatred for the great invaders, the great American Beast, outsmarted many levels of American intelligence and security, and brought the most powerful nation in the world, nearly to its knees. That is as far as I figure they saw it. Paradise awaited them as a reward. Now you may think they are stupid for believing such things, but that is merely your opinion. From where I stand, looking at it from their point of view, and those like them, they were geniuses. Go read John Farmer's "The Ground Truth". I know you were all hoping it was gonna blow the whistle on the big bad NWO, but it didn't. As a matter of fact, it is a GREAT READ. TAM

14th November 2009, 05:30 PM	#216
Algebra34 Banned Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 637	Originally Posted by DGM Were the Japanese "idiots" because they attacked Pearl Harbor? What happened to Japan in the end?
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14th November 2009, 05:30 PM	#217
A W Smith Philosopher Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Central Jersey Posts: 7,031	Originally Posted by Algebra34 You've provided nothing substantive that KSM or Atta were educated in any sense of the term. I have provide their actions and statements that show they were idiots. They were and are imbeciles. No they weren't. http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&s...e&ved=0CAcQkAE
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14th November 2009, 05:31 PM	#218
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14th November 2009, 05:32 PM	#219
T.A.M. Keeper of the Kool-Vax Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: The Far East...of Canada Posts: 20,816	Perhaps you should reword your comments to , "I think they were stupid for doing X" as opposed to "They were idiots". When you use the latter, most will interpret it to mean that you believe they were simpletons. I know you are not dumb enough to believe that, so perhaps clarifying what you mean would help. TAM

14th November 2009, 05:35 PM	#220
Algebra34 Banned Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 637	Originally Posted by T.A.M. Here is what I think... These men, full of hatred for the great invaders, the great American Beast, outsmarted many levels of American intelligence and security, and brought the most powerful nation in the world, nearly to its knees. That is as far as I figure they saw it. Paradise awaited them as a reward. Now you may think they are stupid for believing such things, but that is merely your opinion. From where I stand, looking at it from their point of view, and those like them, they were geniuses. Go read John Farmer's "The Ground Truth". I know you were all hoping it was gonna blow the whistle on the big bad NWO, but it didn't. As a matter of fact, it is a GREAT READ. TAM Did they not realize the retribution it would bring down on their people? Even UBL's biggest beef before 9/11 was foreign presence in the Middle East. We are there now more than ever. What was the purpose of the 9/11 attacks? What did they gain? Idiots. If it's true.
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14th November 2009, 05:39 PM	#221
T.A.M. Keeper of the Kool-Vax Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: The Far East...of Canada Posts: 20,816	Originally Posted by Algebra34 Did they not realize the retribution it would bring down on their people? Even UBL's biggest beef before 9/11 was foreign presence in the Middle East. We are there now more than ever. What was the purpose of the 9/11 attacks? What did they gain? Idiots. If it's true. You are looking back with 20/20 hindsight. We all do. However, in this case that is a flawed perspective. At the time of the planning and carrying out of the attacks, what you had were a handful of men, working to carry out a religiously motivated attack. An attack which, according to their interpretation of their religion, would lead to eternity in paradise. You might look back and say those who fought in the Crusades, all idiots. But there were, no doubt, many well educated, intelligent men, who fought in, or defended, the crusades based on their religious convictions. TAM

14th November 2009, 05:43 PM	#222
Redtail Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 9,308	Originally Posted by Algebra34 What happened to Japan in the end? They became a major economic power.
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14th November 2009, 05:46 PM	#223
T.A.M. Keeper of the Kool-Vax Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: The Far East...of Canada Posts: 20,816	Originally Posted by Algebra34 Yes it is. If you are educated there is a means to an end. What did they gain? They gained eternity in Paradise, or at least that is what they believed...that was their motivation. Whether they actually received their reward, is a matter of faith and the correctness of their interpretation of the doctrine of said faith. TAM

14th November 2009, 05:47 PM	#224
A W Smith Philosopher Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Central Jersey Posts: 7,031	Originally Posted by Algebra34 Did they not realize the retribution it would bring down on their people? Even UBL's biggest beef before 9/11 was foreign presence in the Middle East. We are there now more than ever. What was the purpose of the 9/11 attacks? What did they gain? Idiots. If it's true. Did they not realize the retribution it would bring down on their people for the 1993 WTC bombing? Did they not realize the retribution it would bring down on their people for the 2000 USS Cole attack? Did they not realize the retribution it would bring down on their people for the 1998 Kenya and Tanzania US embassy attacks? And even after 9/11. they are still doing it!! http://www.number10.gov.uk/Page7930
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14th November 2009, 05:47 PM	#225
Redtail Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 9,308	Originally Posted by Algebra34 Yes it is. If you are educated there is a means to an end. What did they gain? Martyrdom, hurt the US economy, proved the US could be successfully attacked, etc...
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14th November 2009, 05:54 PM	#227
Algebra34 Banned Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 637	Originally Posted by Redtail Martyrdom, hurt the US economy, proved the US could be successfully attacked, etc... That is debatable. I'm sure it did help tank the economy but it was already going to and already was tanking from domestic financial terrorism. We have people right here in this county hurting America everyday. Maybe fatally hurting it with their greed and control.
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14th November 2009, 06:04 PM	#228
Algebra34 Banned Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 637	Originally Posted by Redtail They became a major economic power. Yeah. That was a good trade off having two atomic bombs dropped on them. They attacked pearl harbor because they had no choice. It almost worked for them but it was a big gamble. Now they want us out of there. We should leave. I just hope my great great grand child isn't fighting them in WW7.
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14th November 2009, 06:09 PM	#229
portlandatheist Master Poster Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 2,111	So the truthers claim they have evidence that it was an inside job. Regardless if whether KSM was an innocent patsy, or part of the conspiracy, they fail to bother to bring this evidence to his defense. They claim injustice but do nothing about it except use their available resources to make videos and websites and not to actually do anything meaningful here in the real world. Way to go guys.

14th November 2009, 06:12 PM	#230
CHF Illuminator Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Toronto Posts: 3,875	I can't wait to see the truthers outside the courtroom demanding KSM be set free. You will be demanding his release, right truthers?

14th November 2009, 06:13 PM	#231
T.A.M. Keeper of the Kool-Vax Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: The Far East...of Canada Posts: 20,816	Originally Posted by portlandatheist So the truthers claim they have evidence that it was an inside job. Regardless if whether KSM was an innocent patsy, or part of the conspiracy, they fail to bother to bring this evidence to his defense. They claim injustice but do nothing about it except use their available resources to make videos and websites and not to actually do anything meaningful here in the real world. Way to go guys. They don't care about KSM or his guilt/innocence. This has never been about the poor innocent Al Qaeda patsies. It is about the big bad government, raging against the machine, and generally griping. As others have said, we will see how many of these wonderful souls in the truth movement physically come to the defense of this poor innocent man when the trial starts. TAM

14th November 2009, 06:13 PM	#232
Algebra34 Banned Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 637	Originally Posted by portlandatheist So the truthers claim they have evidence that it was an inside job. Regardless if whether KSM was an innocent patsy, or part of the conspiracy, they fail to bother to bring this evidence to his defense. They claim injustice but do nothing about it except use their available resources to make videos and websites and not to actually do anything meaningful here in the real world. Way to go guys. Not all truthers claim to have evidence of an inside job. Many only claim that we were lied to by the Bush administration in the same way we were lied into war. They told the truth about nothing. 911 was no different.
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14th November 2009, 06:15 PM	#233
T.A.M. Keeper of the Kool-Vax Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: The Far East...of Canada Posts: 20,816	Originally Posted by Algebra34 Not all truthers claim to have evidence of an inside job. Many only claim that we were lied to by the Bush administration in the same way we were lied into war. They told the truth about nothing. 911 was no different. John Farmer agrees with you to a large degree. So is he an idiot for believing that the hijackers carried out 9/11 for KSM and OBL after reading all that he has, and seeing all the evidence that he has? I would suggest you read his book, but it would be a waste of your time, as you would simply dismiss it. TAM

14th November 2009, 06:17 PM	#234
Algebra34 Banned Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 637	Originally Posted by CHF I can't wait to see the truthers outside the courtroom demanding KSM be set free. You will be demanding his release, right truthers? Why should he be set free? He is a bad guy. No doubt. It doesn't mean though he pulled off 9/11. You can wrap your head around this can't you?
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14th November 2009, 06:20 PM	#235
dtugg Banned Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: NWO headquarters Posts: 7,898	Originally Posted by Algebra34 Why should he be set free? He is a bad guy. No doubt. It doesn't mean though he pulled off 9/11. You can wrap your head around this can't you? Hey genius, if he didn't do 9/11 then yes he should be set free. In case you didn't know, that's why the US government has him in custody.

14th November 2009, 06:21 PM	#236
T.A.M. Keeper of the Kool-Vax Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: The Far East...of Canada Posts: 20,816	Originally Posted by Algebra34 Why should he be set free? He is a bad guy. No doubt. It doesn't mean though he pulled off 9/11. You can wrap your head around this can't you? Well he should be set free if he is innocent of the 9/11 attacks, shouldn't he? I mean that is why he is being held. That is why he is going on trial. He isn't going to trial for having bad hair, or looking mean, now is he? Can you get your head around the fact that you and your trutherkind could care less about this man being convicted of a crime you allege he did not commit, because your motive has nothing to do with justice, but rather your hatred for the government, and authority in general. TAM