White House Top Legal Beagle Greg Craig Bows Out

Cicero · 13th November 2009, 10:22 AM

"White House press secretary Robert Gibbs said Craig's departure was not due to any dissatisfaction with his handling of Guantanamo policy. Craig was known to have told Obama at the outset that he didn't want to serve in the counsel role for more than a year.

Still, Craig's resignation falls more than two months short of that milestone. It had been presumed that he would move from the counsel's office to another prestigious job, such as an ambassadorship or judicial posting, but the White House statement mentioned only his return to private legal work."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091113/...ig_resignation

Cicero · 13th November 2009, 02:23 PM

Craig, although not married to Anita "Over" Dunn, the soon to be ex-communications director, might hook up to start their own law firm specializing in the representation of businesses that over-promise services and who question the right of consumers to criticize their product.

Cleon · 13th November 2009, 02:24 PM

Originally Posted by Cicero

Craig is married to Anita "Over" Dunn, the soon to be ex-communications director. Perhaps they can start their own law firm specializing in the representation of businesses that over-promise services and who question the right of consumers to criticize their product.

I'm pretty sure Microsoft already has a legal department.

Cicero · 13th November 2009, 02:29 PM

Originally Posted by Cleon

I'm pretty sure Microsoft already has a legal department.

Unabogie · 13th November 2009, 02:29 PM

Originally Posted by Cicero

Craig is married to Anita "Over" Dunn, the soon to be ex-communications director. Perhaps they can start their own law firm specializing in the representation of businesses that over-promise services and who question the right of consumers to criticize their product.

That would be fascinating if it weren't 100% false.

Her husband is the guy taking over for Craig, Bob Bauer, not Greg Craig.

Not sure what this does to your narrative, but I'm sure you'll find something and get back to us with it.

Cicero · 13th November 2009, 02:35 PM

Originally Posted by Unabogie

That would be fascinating if it weren't 100% false.

Her husband is the guy taking over for Craig, Bob Bauer, not Greg Craig.

Not sure what this does to your narrative, but I'm sure you'll find something and get back to us with it.

Thanks for the correction. The fact that Dunn is married to Craig's replacement actually doesn't hurt the narrative at all.

drkitten · 13th November 2009, 02:48 PM

Originally Posted by Cicero

Thanks for the correction. The fact that Dunn is married to Craig's replacement actually doesn't hurt the narrative at all.

Oddly enough, it doesn't. Since there's no narrative there to be hurt, you could say any half-intelligible drivel and not hurt the narrative.

Oh, wait. You already did.

Cicero · 13th November 2009, 04:06 PM

Originally Posted by drkitten

Oddly enough, it doesn't. Since there's no narrative there to be hurt, you could say any half-intelligible drivel and not hurt the narrative.

Oh, wait. You already did.

Since you don't have anything substantive to add to this thread, care to answer the question posed to you in the "FBI Serial Killer Profiling Vs Psychic Woo.Identical 0 Success Rate As Key To Collar" thread?

Donal · 13th November 2009, 06:56 PM

What is the turn over rate for White House personnel? I mean top aides and cabinet types.

I remember hearing when Clinton came under fire for his revolving door cabinet, that it really wasn't uncommon in US history for senior officials to leave before a term was up.

leftysergeant · 13th November 2009, 07:18 PM

Is this an attempt to make it look like people are abandoning Obama? A distraction from the fact that only the crazy old rich white guys seem to be clinging to their GOP membership cards?

Peephole · 15th November 2009, 07:28 AM

Is there any point to this thread?

CptColumbo · 15th November 2009, 07:54 AM

Originally Posted by Peephole

Is there any point to this thread?

Someone left a government job that he planned on leaving within a year anyway for a (most likely) higher paying one in the private sector.

In other news Generalisimo Francisco Franco is still dead.

Cicero · 15th November 2009, 09:41 AM

Originally Posted by CptColumbo

Someone left a government job that he planned on leaving within a year anyway for a (most likely) higher paying one in the private sector.

The guy who promised GITMO would be closed by the end of the year is leaving earlier than anticipated. The Harpie who did the White House dirty work of trying to exclude FOX News from interviews is leaving earlier than anticipated.

Quote:

In other news Generalisimo Francisco Franco is still dead.

Even adding another "s" to Generalisimo wouldn't improve stale SNL references.

Alt+F4 · 15th November 2009, 09:54 AM

Originally Posted by Cicero

The guy who promised GITMO would be closed by the end of the year is leaving earlier than anticipated. The Harpie who did the White House dirty work of trying to exclude FOX News from interviews is leaving earlier than anticipated.

Yes. And? He didn't like his job and quit. Happens quite often.

Sporanox · 15th November 2009, 10:31 AM

Originally Posted by Alt+F4

Yes. And? He didn't like his job and quit. Happens quite often.

You know there's more to it. The man is now under Obama's bus. This isn't a terribly astonishing fact, though.

CptColumbo · 15th November 2009, 10:35 AM

Originally Posted by Cicero

The guy who promised GITMO would be closed by the end of the year is leaving earlier than anticipated.

So what. People leave jobs all the time with work left undone. George W. Bush did it.

Alt+F4 · 15th November 2009, 11:23 AM

Originally Posted by Sporanox

You know there's more to it.

Is there? There have been high ranking administration resignations mid-term from the time of Washington (Jefferson) to G.W. Bush (Mineta). How is this any different? Person disagrees with the President, wants to persue other opportunites and has the personal wealth to be able to quit their crappy governement job.

Sporanox · 15th November 2009, 11:37 AM

Originally Posted by Alt+F4

Is there? There have been high ranking administration resignations mid-term from the time of Washington (Jefferson) to G.W. Bush (Mineta). How is this any different? Person disagrees with the President, wants to persue other opportunites and has the personal wealth to be able to quit their crappy governement job.

Many of those departures included scapegoating. Craig was the poster boy for the job of closing Gitmo in a year, and with his leave Obama can pretend that he failed to keep his promise because of an incompetent subordinate rather than the fact that his promise was simply impossible, especially given how much thought he put into it.

Alt+F4 · 15th November 2009, 11:52 AM

Originally Posted by Sporanox

Many of those departures included scapegoating. Craig was the poster boy for the job of closing Gitmo in a year, and with his leave Obama can pretend that he failed to keep his promise because of an incompetent subordinate rather than the fact that his promise was simply impossible, especially given how much thought he put into it.

Obama is a politician. He lies, breaks promises and scapegoats....same as the other 43 (or 42, depending on how you classify Grover Cleveland). Nothing new here.

Sporanox · 15th November 2009, 02:09 PM

Originally Posted by Alt+F4

Obama is a politician. He lies, breaks promises and scapegoats....same as the other 43 (or 42, depending on how you classify Grover Cleveland). Nothing new here.

I agree. Too bad many people are still under the sway.

Incidentally, I didn't really dislike him during the campaign. He seemed reasonable enough, and much of the criticism leveled against his candidacy was shallow. He really did seem to believe that the era of partisanship needed to end.

Now that he's in office, he's turned out to be just as partisan, if not more, as Presidents in recent memory - except his attempts at pushing talking points are simply incompetent. This may seem funny, but I still want to like him. If only he would engage in those transparent, reasonable discussions he pictured so often in the campaign.

13th November 2009, 10:22 AM	#1
Cicero Philosopher Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 5,750	White House Top Legal Beagle Greg Craig Bows Out "White House press secretary Robert Gibbs said Craig's departure was not due to any dissatisfaction with his handling of Guantanamo policy. Craig was known to have told Obama at the outset that he didn't want to serve in the counsel role for more than a year. Still, Craig's resignation falls more than two months short of that milestone. It had been presumed that he would move from the counsel's office to another prestigious job, such as an ambassadorship or judicial posting, but the White House statement mentioned only his return to private legal work." http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091113/...ig_resignation
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Cicero Philosopher Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 5,750	Craig, although not married to Anita "Over" Dunn, the soon to be ex-communications director, might hook up to start their own law firm specializing in the representation of businesses that over-promise services and who question the right of consumers to criticize their product.
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Cicero Philosopher Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 5,750	Originally Posted by Cleon I'm pretty sure Microsoft already has a legal department.
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Unabogie Muse Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 660	Originally Posted by Cicero Craig is married to Anita "Over" Dunn, the soon to be ex-communications director. Perhaps they can start their own law firm specializing in the representation of businesses that over-promise services and who question the right of consumers to criticize their product. That would be fascinating if it weren't 100% false. Her husband is the guy taking over for Craig, Bob Bauer, not Greg Craig. Not sure what this does to your narrative, but I'm sure you'll find something and get back to us with it.
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13th November 2009, 02:35 PM	#6
Cicero Philosopher Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 5,750	Originally Posted by Unabogie That would be fascinating if it weren't 100% false. Her husband is the guy taking over for Craig, Bob Bauer, not Greg Craig. Not sure what this does to your narrative, but I'm sure you'll find something and get back to us with it. Thanks for the correction. The fact that Dunn is married to Craig's replacement actually doesn't hurt the narrative at all.
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13th November 2009, 02:48 PM	#7
drkitten Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Wits' End Posts: 17,338	Originally Posted by Cicero Thanks for the correction. The fact that Dunn is married to Craig's replacement actually doesn't hurt the narrative at all. Oddly enough, it doesn't. Since there's no narrative there to be hurt, you could say any half-intelligible drivel and not hurt the narrative. Oh, wait. You already did.

13th November 2009, 04:06 PM	#8
Cicero Philosopher Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 5,750	Originally Posted by drkitten Oddly enough, it doesn't. Since there's no narrative there to be hurt, you could say any half-intelligible drivel and not hurt the narrative. Oh, wait. You already did. Since you don't have anything substantive to add to this thread, care to answer the question posed to you in the "FBI Serial Killer Profiling Vs Psychic Woo.Identical 0 Success Rate As Key To Collar" thread?
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leftysergeant Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Spanaway WA Posts: 6,717	Is this an attempt to make it look like people are abandoning Obama? A distraction from the fact that only the crazy old rich white guys seem to be clinging to their GOP membership cards?

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CptColumbo Just One More Question Join Date: May 2004 Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 7,770	Originally Posted by Peephole Is there any point to this thread? Someone left a government job that he planned on leaving within a year anyway for a (most likely) higher paying one in the private sector. In other news Generalisimo Francisco Franco is still dead.
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Cicero Philosopher Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 5,750	Originally Posted by CptColumbo Someone left a government job that he planned on leaving within a year anyway for a (most likely) higher paying one in the private sector. The guy who promised GITMO would be closed by the end of the year is leaving earlier than anticipated. The Harpie who did the White House dirty work of trying to exclude FOX News from interviews is leaving earlier than anticipated. Quote: In other news Generalisimo Francisco Franco is still dead. Even adding another "s" to Generalisimo wouldn't improve stale SNL references.
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15th November 2009, 09:54 AM	#14
Alt+F4 diabolical globalist Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Department of Abandoned Places Posts: 4,852	Originally Posted by Cicero The guy who promised GITMO would be closed by the end of the year is leaving earlier than anticipated. The Harpie who did the White House dirty work of trying to exclude FOX News from interviews is leaving earlier than anticipated. Yes. And? He didn't like his job and quit. Happens quite often.
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Sporanox Muse Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: in the black Posts: 837	Originally Posted by Alt+F4 Yes. And? He didn't like his job and quit. Happens quite often. You know there's more to it. The man is now under Obama's bus. This isn't a terribly astonishing fact, though.
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CptColumbo Just One More Question Join Date: May 2004 Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 7,770	Originally Posted by Cicero The guy who promised GITMO would be closed by the end of the year is leaving earlier than anticipated. So what. People leave jobs all the time with work left undone. George W. Bush did it.
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15th November 2009, 11:23 AM	#17
Alt+F4 diabolical globalist Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Department of Abandoned Places Posts: 4,852	Originally Posted by Sporanox You know there's more to it. Is there? There have been high ranking administration resignations mid-term from the time of Washington (Jefferson) to G.W. Bush (Mineta). How is this any different? Person disagrees with the President, wants to persue other opportunites and has the personal wealth to be able to quit their crappy governement job.
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15th November 2009, 11:37 AM	#18
Sporanox Muse Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: in the black Posts: 837	Originally Posted by Alt+F4 Is there? There have been high ranking administration resignations mid-term from the time of Washington (Jefferson) to G.W. Bush (Mineta). How is this any different? Person disagrees with the President, wants to persue other opportunites and has the personal wealth to be able to quit their crappy governement job. Many of those departures included scapegoating. Craig was the poster boy for the job of closing Gitmo in a year, and with his leave Obama can pretend that he failed to keep his promise because of an incompetent subordinate rather than the fact that his promise was simply impossible, especially given how much thought he put into it.
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15th November 2009, 11:52 AM	#19
Alt+F4 diabolical globalist Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Department of Abandoned Places Posts: 4,852	Originally Posted by Sporanox Many of those departures included scapegoating. Craig was the poster boy for the job of closing Gitmo in a year, and with his leave Obama can pretend that he failed to keep his promise because of an incompetent subordinate rather than the fact that his promise was simply impossible, especially given how much thought he put into it. Obama is a politician. He lies, breaks promises and scapegoats....same as the other 43 (or 42, depending on how you classify Grover Cleveland). Nothing new here.
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15th November 2009, 02:09 PM	#20
Sporanox Muse Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: in the black Posts: 837	Originally Posted by Alt+F4 Obama is a politician. He lies, breaks promises and scapegoats....same as the other 43 (or 42, depending on how you classify Grover Cleveland). Nothing new here. I agree. Too bad many people are still under the sway. Incidentally, I didn't really dislike him during the campaign. He seemed reasonable enough, and much of the criticism leveled against his candidacy was shallow. He really did seem to believe that the era of partisanship needed to end. Now that he's in office, he's turned out to be just as partisan, if not more, as Presidents in recent memory - except his attempts at pushing talking points are simply incompetent. This may seem funny, but I still want to like him. If only he would engage in those transparent, reasonable discussions he pictured so often in the campaign.
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