Is this 'Strange Cloud Over Moscow' video doctored?

OnlyTellsTruths · 13th November 2009, 06:49 PM

I was going to pass this 'Strange Cloud Over Moscow' video off as fake since the site name is ‘stupid videos’, then I noticed they have some good science videos. For instance this nice 'Slow Motion Lightning capture.

wipeout · 13th November 2009, 07:14 PM

It's a hole punch cloud (or "fallstreak hole").

http://www.meteorologynews.com/2009/...d-over-moscow/

I have to wonder if something about the camera made the brightness appear more extreme than it might have really been though.

OnlyTellsTruths · 13th November 2009, 07:44 PM

Thanks for the nice and informational link. I guess that would pretty much mean the video is real.

It looks almost exactly like the 4th picture (the one from Colorado) in wipeout's link, not so much like the 2nd and 3rd pictures though.

It does appear that the brightness isn't quite right in that video, making the cloud stand out more.

Paul C. Anagnostopoulos · 14th November 2009, 11:33 AM

The aliens got bored making crop circles, so now it's cloud circles.

~~ Paul

kritter · 15th November 2009, 08:29 AM

Neat looking cloud, whether real or not

OnlyTellsTruths · 23rd November 2009, 01:15 AM

If we are all sure that the cloud/video is real, then I would like to ask:

How sure are we that the cause given in the link (wipeouts link in post #2) is legit?

Quote:

The foundation of a hole punch cloud is traditionally a mid- or high-altitude cloud type such as cirrus or cirro-stratus. Such clouds generally form above 20,000 feet or so in the atmosphere. The National Weather Service has explained that such clouds are frequently composed of both ice crystals and super-cooled water droplets – water that is below the freezing temperature but still exists in liquid form. When such a delicate balance occurs, only a slight disruption of this delicate balance may lead to a striking result....(snip)...It is believed that a cloud may be disrupted in this manner when a a jet flies through the thin cloud layer. Such a disruption may spur the quick freezing of liquid droplets and evaporation of other droplets. This would create the void in the space in which the jet passed through the layer.

While the source of hole punch clouds may be somewhat uncertain, they are certain to cause quite a vigorous discussion.

OnlyTellsTruths · 30th December 2009, 05:59 AM

I'd still be interested in more information about this, especially nailing down the cause. Also, is there rotation involved (though, it doesn't appear to have any noticeable rotation in the video).

Gord_in_Toronto · 30th December 2009, 09:10 AM

UFO photos are never "doctored" but they may have been "enhanced". The difference is in the eye of the beholder.

(See any number of Bigfoot Pictures (aka fuzzy shadows).)

casebro · 30th December 2009, 06:39 PM

So god don't like pinkos? even after Glasnost?

OnlyTellsTruths · 31st December 2009, 02:28 AM

Now I'm not even sure if we are still in agreement that this is a real phenomenon?

scratchy · 31st December 2009, 02:50 AM

Originally Posted by Paul C. Anagnostopoulos

The aliens got bored making crop circles, so now it's cloud circles.

~~ Paul

Or they just got lazy. This way they dont have to get out of their spaceships and fiddle around with ropes, planks and stuff. And you cant impress people with the same gimmick for ever.

13th November 2009, 06:49 PM	#1
OnlyTellsTruths Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 400	Is this 'Strange Cloud Over Moscow' video doctored? I was going to pass this 'Strange Cloud Over Moscow' video off as fake since the site name is ‘stupid videos’, then I noticed they have some good science videos. For instance this nice 'Slow Motion Lightning capture.
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13th November 2009, 07:44 PM	#3
OnlyTellsTruths Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 400	Thanks for the nice and informational link. I guess that would pretty much mean the video is real. It looks almost exactly like the 4th picture (the one from Colorado) in wipeout's link, not so much like the 2nd and 3rd pictures though. It does appear that the brightness isn't quite right in that video, making the cloud stand out more.
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14th November 2009, 11:33 AM	#4
Paul C. Anagnostopoulos Looking for Fountain of Smart Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: a little toolshed Posts: 17,157	The aliens got bored making crop circles, so now it's cloud circles. ~~ Paul
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15th November 2009, 08:29 AM	#5
kritter Student Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 31	Neat looking cloud, whether real or not
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23rd November 2009, 01:15 AM	#6
OnlyTellsTruths Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 400	If we are all sure that the cloud/video is real, then I would like to ask: How sure are we that the cause given in the link (wipeouts link in post #2) is legit? Quote: The foundation of a hole punch cloud is traditionally a mid- or high-altitude cloud type such as cirrus or cirro-stratus. Such clouds generally form above 20,000 feet or so in the atmosphere. The National Weather Service has explained that such clouds are frequently composed of both ice crystals and super-cooled water droplets – water that is below the freezing temperature but still exists in liquid form. When such a delicate balance occurs, only a slight disruption of this delicate balance may lead to a striking result....(snip)...It is believed that a cloud may be disrupted in this manner when a a jet flies through the thin cloud layer. Such a disruption may spur the quick freezing of liquid droplets and evaporation of other droplets. This would create the void in the space in which the jet passed through the layer. While the source of hole punch clouds may be somewhat uncertain, they are certain to cause quite a vigorous discussion.
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13th November 2009, 07:14 PM	#2
wipeout Graduate Poster Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,122	It's a hole punch cloud (or "fallstreak hole"). http://www.meteorologynews.com/2009/...d-over-moscow/ I have to wonder if something about the camera made the brightness appear more extreme than it might have really been though.
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30th December 2009, 05:59 AM	#7
OnlyTellsTruths Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 400	I'd still be interested in more information about this, especially nailing down the cause. Also, is there rotation involved (though, it doesn't appear to have any noticeable rotation in the video).
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casebro Illuminator Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 3,728	So god don't like pinkos? even after Glasnost?
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OnlyTellsTruths Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 400	Now I'm not even sure if we are still in agreement that this is a real phenomenon?
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31st December 2009, 02:50 AM	#11
scratchy Critical Thinker Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: At the very center of my world Posts: 478	Originally Posted by Paul C. Anagnostopoulos The aliens got bored making crop circles, so now it's cloud circles. ~~ Paul Or they just got lazy. This way they dont have to get out of their spaceships and fiddle around with ropes, planks and stuff. And you cant impress people with the same gimmick for ever.