Donna (Ghost Hunters) admits evidence was staged

Apology · 14th November 2009, 11:14 PM

Donna LaCroix is dishing out the dirt on her former employers, TAPS, Ghost Hunters, and Ghost Hunters International. She says that, while she didn't participate in staging evidence herself, she knew that some of the evidence was staged. In addition, she says that she, Brian Harnois, and Andy Andrews were "screwed" so badly in their contracts for Ghost Hunters International that they actually lost money on the show.

The podcast is uncensored and therefore not safe for work due to adult language, so listen at your own risk:

http://ghostdivas.mypodcast.com/200911_archive.html

The part about the staging is between 21:16 and 23:32. You probably won't want to listen to the whole podcast, it gets pretty annoying in a few spots

You might want to skip forward to 34:33 for a really nice statement of skepticism from Ms. LaCroix.

It's nice to hear the truth for once, even though Ms. LaCroix is only telling us what we already knew

kritter · 15th November 2009, 08:20 AM

Ghost Hunters? Fake? What's next, is someone gonna tell me Professional wrestling is fake too....???

Brattus · 15th November 2009, 08:41 AM

It's....It's fake? Really? But it was on TV and everything. You know they can't lie about anything on TV it's against the law or something.

Eyeron · 15th November 2009, 09:27 AM

It doesn't matter. The true blue believers will never accept this. And it won't do anything to stem the tide of ghost hunting shows.

Denver · 15th November 2009, 09:32 AM

Her comments about any staging or fakery were vague at best, and I didn't hear anything specific - she seemed to imply she couldn't be more specific.

Though, she was pretty specific on how she felt about show. And Jason. And the production company. And the "Family"...

Apology · 15th November 2009, 10:04 AM

Originally Posted by Denver

Her comments about any staging or fakery were vague at best, and I didn't hear anything specific - she seemed to imply she couldn't be more specific.

Though, she was pretty specific on how she felt about show. And Jason. And the production company. And the "Family"...

She was pretty vague. She was unwilling to be specific about which episode, how they did it, etc. I was impressed when she said that she found out about some of the staging and cried for days, though. Apparently she takes this paranormal ghost stuff for real so she was crushed to find out they were faking it. I also was rather impressed that she told the listeners not to believe anything they saw on the show or on TV in general.

The podcast itself was annoying as hell though

There was a lot of "We're edgy and in your face HURR" posturing that just rubbed me the wrong way. I salute you for sticking it out to listen to the whole 45 minutes or so that Ms. LaCroix was on, because a good portion of it was like ghostly nails on a spectral chalkboard.

The Don · 15th November 2009, 10:34 AM

Disgruntled ex-employee badmouthing her employer

plumjam · 15th November 2009, 11:10 AM

Must be the smuggest, most unpleasant interviewers I've ever heard.

GanipGnop · 15th November 2009, 01:43 PM

It's too bad this lady had to be so heavy on the personal attacks and so light on the actual evidence of woo. She does come across more as a angry ex than a person trying to warn the public of fraud. I would imagine the woo factor is so high on this type of show that their non-disclosure agreement is as thick as a big city phone book. (If it wasn't I know I'd be getting a raise every show)!

Donna's time to make her allegations was when she still worked for the show. She would have had a lot more impact if she quit in the middle of the season without all the public animosity and presented her case to the public in a calm professional manner. As a matter of fact she should have done everything in her power to be seen as the best "ghost buster" right before she quit. Her current actions only allow her detractors to to dismiss her as a jilted "lover".

Pure_Argent · 15th November 2009, 07:26 PM

Well, I, for one, am deeply shocked and hurt that our national media would have deceived us all so.

desertgal · 15th November 2009, 07:45 PM

Originally Posted by Apology

In addition, she says that she, Brian Harnois, and Andy Andrews were "screwed" so badly in their contracts for Ghost Hunters International that they actually lost money on the show.

Well, here's a tip for Ms. LaCroix - if you are presented with a contract that is going to screw you so badly that you end up losing money on the show: don't sign it.

Frying Dutchmen · 16th November 2009, 12:11 AM

I'm listening to it, and boy she has a bee in her bonnet about taps, I'm kinda enjoying it. I think she could be right about Ghost hunters

The podcast other then the hosts grand standing and the bad audio quality is far better then similar paranormal podcasts like eerie radio.

daSkeptic · 16th November 2009, 12:17 AM

Has Jason or Grant or SyFy or Pilgrim or anybody else in a position of authority within the Ghost Hunters franchise ever actually said that nothing in the show is staged?

JWideman · 16th November 2009, 12:48 AM

Originally Posted by desertgal

Well, here's a tip for Ms. LaCroix - if you are presented with a contract that is going to screw you so badly that you end up losing money on the show: don't sign it.

Without knowing more details it's hard to say, but I somehow doubt they realized they were getting screwed when they signed.

Corsair 115 · 16th November 2009, 12:58 AM

Originally Posted by kritter

Ghost Hunters? Fake? What's next, is someone gonna tell me Professional wrestling is fake too....???

I never pass up a chance that allows me to quote a line from Futurama:

"Man, I used to think Ultimate Robot Fighting was real like pro wrestling, but it turns out it's fixed like boxing."

desertgal · 16th November 2009, 09:14 AM

Originally Posted by JWideman

Without knowing more details it's hard to say, but I somehow doubt they realized they were getting screwed when they signed.

Well, as you say, without more details, it is impossible to say - but she did say they were "screwed in their contracts". I don't think it's a stretch that she may have possibly signed a contract without understanding all that it contained, and is now whining because she was held to her commitment. It happens.

exeplis · 16th November 2009, 12:08 PM

scifake.com Donna responded to her ghostdivas appearance and 'kinda' took some of it back IMO.

Audible Click · 16th November 2009, 12:14 PM

Originally Posted by daSkeptic

Has Jason or Grant or SyFy or Pilgrim or anybody else in a position of authority within the Ghost Hunters franchise ever actually said that nothing in the show is staged?

During the "Collargate scandal", Halloween show 2008. Jason and Grant said on their Facebook pages that nothing was ever faked on their shows and if you believe that I have a bridge in Brooklyn I'd like to sell you.

Pure_Argent · 16th November 2009, 12:19 PM

Originally Posted by Audible Click

During the "Collargate scandal", Halloween show 2008. Jason and Grant said on their Facebook pages that nothing was ever faked on their shows and if you believe that I have a bridge in Brooklyn I'd like to sell you.

So you're the one that stole my bridge!

Penamunde · 16th November 2009, 12:49 PM

Originally Posted by Apology

Donna LaCroix is dishing out the dirt on her former employers, TAPS, Ghost Hunters, and Ghost Hunters International. She says that, while she didn't participate in staging evidence herself, she knew that some of the evidence was staged. In addition, she says that she, Brian Harnois, and Andy Andrews were "screwed" so badly in their contracts for Ghost Hunters International that they actually lost money on the show.

The podcast is uncensored and therefore not safe for work due to adult language, so listen at your own risk:

http://ghostdivas.mypodcast.com/200911_archive.html

The part about the staging is between 21:16 and 23:32. You probably won't want to listen to the whole podcast, it gets pretty annoying in a few spots

You might want to skip forward to 34:33 for a really nice statement of skepticism from Ms. LaCroix.

It's nice to hear the truth for once, even though Ms. LaCroix is only telling us what we already knew

Originally Posted by Ghost Divas Archive

This was posted as a comment on the radio show archive site.

I think it's hysterical how you sit there and say that you have some of the smartest listeners for your show and how you all claim to be very intelligent people, however you are so quick to judge other people just with claims from one disgruntled person.

I am sure none of you have held ONE single conversation with Jason or Grant to maybe gain their perspectives on the situation OR maybe their own personal issues they dealt with Donna. You just assume because one person claims this, that it's automatically true when in reality, there could be things you may not know about Donna that would blow your minds away.

From what I have learned from my life experiences, there are ALWAYS two sides to EVERY story. Everyone is so quick to judge Jason and Grant because they are the head of TAPS, so no matter what, their heads are first on the chopping block. Mostly, they want people like Jason and Grant to fail simply because they are jealous of their success. That's what it boils down to.

DO NOT sit there and judge people you have never met in person and do not judge people based on what one person, who clearly is someone who harbors anger, says. A true intelligent person would listen to what one person says, and then talk to the other source and gain their side of the story before forming their opinions.

But since you all have claimed to have never talked to Jason and Grant in person, your opinions mean absolutely nothing. You are going off of hearsay and that is why I think your show sound completely unintelligent.

Learn ALL facts before casting judgement on people you have never even spoken to.

This pretty much sums it up for me. It doesn't matter weather ghosts are real or not, if you base your views one the ravings of a disgruntled cast member and two drunk twit interviewers that pose as some kind of paranormal Warren Commission.

Its a sad piece of work

Audible Click · 16th November 2009, 01:12 PM

Originally Posted by Pure_Argent

So you're the one that stole my bridge!

wicked_ways · 16th November 2009, 01:29 PM

Originally Posted by Penamunde

This pretty much sums it up for me. It doesn't matter weather ghosts are real or not, if you base your views one the ravings of a disgruntled cast member and two drunk twit interviewers that pose as some kind of paranormal Warren Commission.

Its a sad piece of work

Penamunde,

Do you base your views on the assumption that Donna is a disgruntled cast member?
There has been quite a lot of work done by someone named Dreamsinger who posted on the scifi forums.
I don't base my views on the fake paranormal shows on Donna, I have seen actual evidence on the site created by dreamsinger called Darkrealm Labs.
Every one of those silly shows has been completely busted by dreamsinger.
Darkrealm Labs, check it out.

Penamunde · 16th November 2009, 01:46 PM

Originally Posted by wicked_ways

Penamunde,

Do you base your views on the assumption that Donna is a disgruntled cast member?
There has been quite a lot of work done by someone named Dreamsinger who posted on the scifi forums.
I don't base my views on the fake paranormal shows on Donna, I have seeln actual evidence on the site created by dreamsinger called Darkrealm Labs.
Every one of those silly shows has been completely busted by dreamsinger.
Darkrealm Labs, check it out.

Donna sure seems to be Disgruntled, but I will go look on the Dreamsinger.

My main problem is the interviewers, they acted very very unprofessional and if they want to be considered professional in their Paranormal investigations.
This is not the roadmap to take, Past and Current actions are always taken into account when investigators bring forth evidence on the unknown.

Don't take my word for it just look at some of the Bigfoot threads here on the forum

wicked_ways · 16th November 2009, 01:51 PM

Originally Posted by Penamunde

Donna sure seems to be Disgruntled, but I will go look on the Dreamsinger.

My main problem is the interviewers, they acted very very unprofessional and if they want to be considered professional in their Paranormal investigations.
This is not the roadmap to take, Past and Current actions are always taken into account when investigators bring forth evidence on the unknown.

Don't take my word for it just look at some of the Bigfoot threads here on the forum

oh, i have no doubt she is disgruntled, she started to speak out a little, but was shut down. (maybe a sort of non-disclosure thing, i dont remember)

yes, they define unprofessional, i agree.

ah, bigfoot threads, gotta love 'em, i know i do.

makaya325 · 16th November 2009, 02:04 PM

Why do we take her word without any evidence to support her claim? It should work both ways when it comes to the burden of proof

Penamunde · 16th November 2009, 02:29 PM

Originally Posted by Tammy Wilson at ErrieOk.Com site

Tammy's Rant about Ghost Hunting

One of the things about me is that I tell it like I see it. Everyone doesn't agree and everyone doesn't like it. I have even been called at home by other teams and asked to take down things on my site that showed them in an unfavorable light. In the vein of trying to get along, I did. But here's the deal - if you don't want to be called out for being shady - don't be shady. To me, that's not that hard.

I have one of a very few teams that does not and will not wear matching T-shirts. For those of you that do that and you think it's necessary, great for you. Some teams tout that they make them look professional. You can "look" professional all day long but that doesn't mean you "are" professional. Professional is saying that you will honor a client's confidentiality and actually doing it. Saying you will and then having a whole group of people show up at their home wearing ghost hunter T-shirts isn't exactly going to do the trick. The T-shirts don't do anything but make you look uniform, and well, I am glad that there are no two people alike on my team. Folks, what people wear when they come to investigate your house is not what matters. What matters is that they treat you and your home with respect and they don't create unnecessary drama where there is already an uncertain circumstance.

Edited by Locknar:

Content removed; breach of Rule 4.

I didn't write this about anyone in particular, so don't go get your panties in a wad if you fit one of these descriptions. If you do, it might do you well to rethink the way you're doing things. But if you don't - carry on, it's your name, not mine. I wrote it in hopes of making people think about some things when looking into this field. If I can show one or two people that it's all really silly, then that's good for me.

Here is the link to the Rant http://www.eerieok.com/rant.htm

Bold and Highlite is mine:

I guess her comment on the show that Jason and Grant are ****, indicates that she has had a change of heart or a laps into the lets bash while we have the spotlight.

I'm betting its just her Hypocritical divergences and or Penis envy is getting the better of her.

Please note I'm not a believer or disbeliever in ghosts but this lady ??? needs to understand that these past comments are going to come back and haunt her.

Please do not quote/post full pages (Rule 4) and do not curse in your posts (Rule 10).

Posted By:Locknar

daSkeptic · 16th November 2009, 02:35 PM

Originally Posted by Audible Click

During the "Collargate scandal", Halloween show 2008. Jason and Grant said on their Facebook pages that nothing was ever faked on their shows and if you believe that I have a bridge in Brooklyn I'd like to sell you.

Interesting. I had always left open the possibility that the entire thing was just a clever media production, that it was all orchestrated to seem real (e.g. documentary-style shooting) and they just let people think it was without ever actually saying so. But if they've gone on record saying nothing was ever staged, they're taking a big risk. Had they never actually said it, they could have used that as a defense. But now they cannot.

Lucian · 16th November 2009, 03:24 PM

Originally Posted by wicked_ways

Penamunde,

Do you base your views on the assumption that Donna is a disgruntled cast member?
There has been quite a lot of work done by someone named Dreamsinger who posted on the scifi forums.
I don't base my views on the fake paranormal shows on Donna, I have seen actual evidence on the site created by dreamsinger called Darkrealm Labs.
Every one of those silly shows has been completely busted by dreamsinger.
Darkrealm Labs, check it out.

Another Dreamsinger site: http://www.paranormal-tips.com/. I think there is a fair amount of overlap between Paranormal Tips and http://paranormal.darkrealmlabs.com/.

makaya325 · 16th November 2009, 07:28 PM

Originally Posted by daSkeptic

Interesting. I had always left open the possibility that the entire thing was just a clever media production, that it was all orchestrated to seem real (e.g. documentary-style shooting) and they just let people think it was without ever actually saying so. But if they've gone on record saying nothing was ever staged, they're taking a big risk. Had they never actually said it, they could have used that as a defense. But now they cannot.

Actually, you are right, they are ruining their credibility by denying that they faked an obviously crude trick on the Halloween special. It makes you rethink all of their other evidence they claim to be "Real".

daSkeptic · 16th November 2009, 07:41 PM

Originally Posted by makaya325

It makes you rethink all of their other evidence they claim to be "Real".

Not really. I've always seen the show as nothing more than SyFy's attempt at comedy programming. I knew there was commercial value in people thinking it's real, I just never knew anyone was actually saying it's real.

desertgal · 16th November 2009, 08:00 PM

Originally Posted by makaya325

Actually, you are right, they are ruining their credibility by denying that they faked an obviously crude trick on the Halloween special.

What credibility?

Quote:

It makes you rethink all of their other evidence they claim to be "Real".

No, it doesn't. Of course they claim their evidence is "real" - they have a show to sell. I doubt anyone, aside from a small deluded number of viewers, believed it was any more real than Ghostbusters.

makaya325 · 17th November 2009, 08:04 AM

Originally Posted by desertgal

What credibility?

No, it doesn't. Of course they claim their evidence is "real" - they have a show to sell. I doubt anyone, aside from a small deluded number of viewers, believed it was any more real than Ghostbusters.

So every piece of evidence that was ever presented must be a fake, because it is on tv? Sorry, but some of it COULD be real, just not all of it.

Akhenaten · 17th November 2009, 08:12 AM

Originally Posted by desertgal

What credibility?

No, it doesn't. Of course they claim their evidence is "real" - they have a show to sell. I doubt anyone, aside from a small deluded number of viewers, believed it was any more real than Ghostbusters.

Originally Posted by makaya325

So every piece of evidence that was ever presented must be a fake, because it is on tv? Sorry, but some of it COULD be real, just not all of it.

my bolding

Considering that you're pretending to respond to desertgal here, would you mind pointing out how you think your statement relates to what was actually posted?

makaya325 · 17th November 2009, 08:14 AM

Originally Posted by Akhenaten

my bolding

Considering that you're pretending to respond to desertgal here, would you mind pointing out how you think your statement relates to what was actually posted?

It is concerning the alleged fakery admitted by one of the Ghost Hunters crew, so It is almost a dead match, in relation to the OT

Careyp74 · 17th November 2009, 08:24 AM

Originally Posted by Akhenaten

my bolding

Considering that you're pretending to respond to desertgal here, would you mind pointing out how you think your statement relates to what was actually posted?

Need I remind you that there is substantial evidence (I could just link the entire JREF forum here) that the posts being quoted by him are usually not read / comprehended by him before responding?

desertgal · 17th November 2009, 08:30 AM

Originally Posted by makaya325

So every piece of evidence that was ever presented must be a fake, because it is on tv?

I didn't say that.

Originally Posted by makaya325

Originally Posted by Akhenaten

Considering that you're pretending to respond to desertgal here, would you mind pointing out how you think your statement relates to what was actually posted?

It is concerning the alleged fakery admitted by one of the Ghost Hunters crew, so It is almost a dead match, in relation to the OT

I didn't write the OP. Try to focus,

Edited by LibraryLady:

Edited for civility

. Please explain how your reply to my post relates to what I actually posted?

Please remember that name calling is neither civil nor polite. Thank you.

Posted By:LibraryLady

makaya325 · 17th November 2009, 09:14 AM

Don't call me Golum

desertgal · 17th November 2009, 09:25 AM

Originally Posted by makaya325

Don't call me Golum

You're right, that wasn't nice. I apologize.

Please explain how your reply to my post relates to what I actually posted?

makaya325 · 17th November 2009, 11:33 AM

You never said that Ghost hunter's evidence MUST be faked, but it seems like that you are implying that exact concept.

Starthinker · 17th November 2009, 11:41 AM

I'm sure most of the show is real. They really go to locations and set up equipment and poke around in the dark. However, none of their "evidence" for ghosts can be real as ghosts are not real, therefore there can be no evidence for them. The evidence itself may be real, but it is not evidence of ghosts.

14th November 2009, 11:14 PM	#1
Apology Muse Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 917	Donna (Ghost Hunters) admits evidence was staged Donna LaCroix is dishing out the dirt on her former employers, TAPS, Ghost Hunters, and Ghost Hunters International. She says that, while she didn't participate in staging evidence herself, she knew that some of the evidence was staged. In addition, she says that she, Brian Harnois, and Andy Andrews were "screwed" so badly in their contracts for Ghost Hunters International that they actually lost money on the show. The podcast is uncensored and therefore not safe for work due to adult language, so listen at your own risk: http://ghostdivas.mypodcast.com/200911_archive.html The part about the staging is between 21:16 and 23:32. You probably won't want to listen to the whole podcast, it gets pretty annoying in a few spots You might want to skip forward to 34:33 for a really nice statement of skepticism from Ms. LaCroix. It's nice to hear the truth for once, even though Ms. LaCroix is only telling us what we already knew
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15th November 2009, 08:20 AM	#2
kritter Student Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 31	Ghost Hunters? Fake? What's next, is someone gonna tell me Professional wrestling is fake too....???
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15th November 2009, 08:41 AM	#3
Brattus Muse Join Date: May 2007 Location: The bowels of death and despair Posts: 515	It's....It's fake? Really? But it was on TV and everything. You know they can't lie about anything on TV it's against the law or something.
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15th November 2009, 09:27 AM	#4
Eyeron Guest Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 1,774	It doesn't matter. The true blue believers will never accept this. And it won't do anything to stem the tide of ghost hunting shows.
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15th November 2009, 10:04 AM	#6
Apology Muse Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 917	Originally Posted by Denver Her comments about any staging or fakery were vague at best, and I didn't hear anything specific - she seemed to imply she couldn't be more specific. Though, she was pretty specific on how she felt about show. And Jason. And the production company. And the "Family"... She was pretty vague. She was unwilling to be specific about which episode, how they did it, etc. I was impressed when she said that she found out about some of the staging and cried for days, though. Apparently she takes this paranormal ghost stuff for real so she was crushed to find out they were faking it. I also was rather impressed that she told the listeners not to believe anything they saw on the show or on TV in general. The podcast itself was annoying as hell though There was a lot of "We're edgy and in your face HURR" posturing that just rubbed me the wrong way. I salute you for sticking it out to listen to the whole 45 minutes or so that Ms. LaCroix was on, because a good portion of it was like ghostly nails on a spectral chalkboard.
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15th November 2009, 09:32 AM	#5
Denver Master Poster Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Denver, Colorado Posts: 2,739	Her comments about any staging or fakery were vague at best, and I didn't hear anything specific - she seemed to imply she couldn't be more specific. Though, she was pretty specific on how she felt about show. And Jason. And the production company. And the "Family"...

15th November 2009, 10:34 AM	#7
The Don Illuminator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Brizzle Posts: 3,567	Disgruntled ex-employee badmouthing her employer

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plumjam Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Valencia, Spain Posts: 6,364	Must be the smuggest, most unpleasant interviewers I've ever heard.

15th November 2009, 01:43 PM	#9
GanipGnop Thinker Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 180	Who You Gonna Call? ...Ghost Blusters! It's too bad this lady had to be so heavy on the personal attacks and so light on the actual evidence of woo. She does come across more as a angry ex than a person trying to warn the public of fraud. I would imagine the woo factor is so high on this type of show that their non-disclosure agreement is as thick as a big city phone book. (If it wasn't I know I'd be getting a raise every show)! Donna's time to make her allegations was when she still worked for the show. She would have had a lot more impact if she quit in the middle of the season without all the public animosity and presented her case to the public in a calm professional manner. As a matter of fact she should have done everything in her power to be seen as the best "ghost buster" right before she quit. Her current actions only allow her detractors to to dismiss her as a jilted "lover".
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desertgal Graduate Poster Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Dallas, Texas Posts: 1,835	Originally Posted by Apology In addition, she says that she, Brian Harnois, and Andy Andrews were "screwed" so badly in their contracts for Ghost Hunters International that they actually lost money on the show. Well, here's a tip for Ms. LaCroix - if you are presented with a contract that is going to screw you so badly that you end up losing money on the show: don't sign it.
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16th November 2009, 12:11 AM	#12
Frying Dutchmen Student Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 25	I'm listening to it, and boy she has a bee in her bonnet about taps, I'm kinda enjoying it. I think she could be right about Ghost hunters The podcast other then the hosts grand standing and the bad audio quality is far better then similar paranormal podcasts like eerie radio.
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16th November 2009, 12:17 AM	#13
daSkeptic Muse Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Bellingham, WA ... under the cheese counter at Haggen Posts: 713	Has Jason or Grant or SyFy or Pilgrim or anybody else in a position of authority within the Ghost Hunters franchise ever actually said that nothing in the show is staged?
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16th November 2009, 12:48 AM	#14
JWideman Muse Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 578	Originally Posted by desertgal Well, here's a tip for Ms. LaCroix - if you are presented with a contract that is going to screw you so badly that you end up losing money on the show: don't sign it. Without knowing more details it's hard to say, but I somehow doubt they realized they were getting screwed when they signed.
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Corsair 115 Illuminator Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Tranquility Base Posts: 4,338	Originally Posted by kritter Ghost Hunters? Fake? What's next, is someone gonna tell me Professional wrestling is fake too....??? I never pass up a chance that allows me to quote a line from Futurama: "Man, I used to think Ultimate Robot Fighting was real like pro wrestling, but it turns out it's fixed like boxing."
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16th November 2009, 09:14 AM	#16
desertgal Graduate Poster Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Dallas, Texas Posts: 1,835	Originally Posted by JWideman Without knowing more details it's hard to say, but I somehow doubt they realized they were getting screwed when they signed. Well, as you say, without more details, it is impossible to say - but she did say they were "screwed in their contracts". I don't think it's a stretch that she may have possibly signed a contract without understanding all that it contained, and is now whining because she was held to her commitment. It happens.
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16th November 2009, 12:08 PM	#17
exeplis New Blood Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 1	scifake.com Donna responded to her ghostdivas appearance and 'kinda' took some of it back IMO.
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16th November 2009, 12:14 PM	#18
Audible Click The gap in the plot Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: BFE Posts: 2,037	Originally Posted by daSkeptic Has Jason or Grant or SyFy or Pilgrim or anybody else in a position of authority within the Ghost Hunters franchise ever actually said that nothing in the show is staged? During the "Collargate scandal", Halloween show 2008. Jason and Grant said on their Facebook pages that nothing was ever faked on their shows and if you believe that I have a bridge in Brooklyn I'd like to sell you.
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16th November 2009, 12:19 PM	#19
Pure_Argent Certified Castlevania Fanboy Join Date: May 2009 Location: The Clock Tower Boss Room Posts: 3,820	Originally Posted by Audible Click During the "Collargate scandal", Halloween show 2008. Jason and Grant said on their Facebook pages that nothing was ever faked on their shows and if you believe that I have a bridge in Brooklyn I'd like to sell you. So you're the one that stole my bridge!
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16th November 2009, 12:49 PM	#20
Penamunde Scholar Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 59	Originally Posted by Apology Donna LaCroix is dishing out the dirt on her former employers, TAPS, Ghost Hunters, and Ghost Hunters International. She says that, while she didn't participate in staging evidence herself, she knew that some of the evidence was staged. In addition, she says that she, Brian Harnois, and Andy Andrews were "screwed" so badly in their contracts for Ghost Hunters International that they actually lost money on the show. The podcast is uncensored and therefore not safe for work due to adult language, so listen at your own risk: http://ghostdivas.mypodcast.com/200911_archive.html The part about the staging is between 21:16 and 23:32. You probably won't want to listen to the whole podcast, it gets pretty annoying in a few spots You might want to skip forward to 34:33 for a really nice statement of skepticism from Ms. LaCroix. It's nice to hear the truth for once, even though Ms. LaCroix is only telling us what we already knew Originally Posted by Ghost Divas Archive This was posted as a comment on the radio show archive site. I think it's hysterical how you sit there and say that you have some of the smartest listeners for your show and how you all claim to be very intelligent people, however you are so quick to judge other people just with claims from one disgruntled person. I am sure none of you have held ONE single conversation with Jason or Grant to maybe gain their perspectives on the situation OR maybe their own personal issues they dealt with Donna. You just assume because one person claims this, that it's automatically true when in reality, there could be things you may not know about Donna that would blow your minds away. From what I have learned from my life experiences, there are ALWAYS two sides to EVERY story. Everyone is so quick to judge Jason and Grant because they are the head of TAPS, so no matter what, their heads are first on the chopping block. Mostly, they want people like Jason and Grant to fail simply because they are jealous of their success. That's what it boils down to. DO NOT sit there and judge people you have never met in person and do not judge people based on what one person, who clearly is someone who harbors anger, says. A true intelligent person would listen to what one person says, and then talk to the other source and gain their side of the story before forming their opinions. But since you all have claimed to have never talked to Jason and Grant in person, your opinions mean absolutely nothing. You are going off of hearsay and that is why I think your show sound completely unintelligent. Learn ALL facts before casting judgement on people you have never even spoken to. This pretty much sums it up for me. It doesn't matter weather ghosts are real or not, if you base your views one the ravings of a disgruntled cast member and two drunk twit interviewers that pose as some kind of paranormal Warren Commission. Its a sad piece of work
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16th November 2009, 01:12 PM	#21
Audible Click The gap in the plot Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: BFE Posts: 2,037	Originally Posted by Pure_Argent So you're the one that stole my bridge!
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16th November 2009, 01:29 PM	#22
wicked_ways Thinker Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 200	Originally Posted by Penamunde This pretty much sums it up for me. It doesn't matter weather ghosts are real or not, if you base your views one the ravings of a disgruntled cast member and two drunk twit interviewers that pose as some kind of paranormal Warren Commission. Its a sad piece of work Penamunde, Do you base your views on the assumption that Donna is a disgruntled cast member? There has been quite a lot of work done by someone named Dreamsinger who posted on the scifi forums. I don't base my views on the fake paranormal shows on Donna, I have seen actual evidence on the site created by dreamsinger called Darkrealm Labs. Every one of those silly shows has been completely busted by dreamsinger. Darkrealm Labs, check it out.
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16th November 2009, 01:46 PM	#23
Penamunde Scholar Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 59	Originally Posted by wicked_ways Penamunde, Do you base your views on the assumption that Donna is a disgruntled cast member? There has been quite a lot of work done by someone named Dreamsinger who posted on the scifi forums. I don't base my views on the fake paranormal shows on Donna, I have seeln actual evidence on the site created by dreamsinger called Darkrealm Labs. Every one of those silly shows has been completely busted by dreamsinger. Darkrealm Labs, check it out. Donna sure seems to be Disgruntled, but I will go look on the Dreamsinger. My main problem is the interviewers, they acted very very unprofessional and if they want to be considered professional in their Paranormal investigations. This is not the roadmap to take, Past and Current actions are always taken into account when investigators bring forth evidence on the unknown. Don't take my word for it just look at some of the Bigfoot threads here on the forum
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16th November 2009, 01:51 PM	#24
wicked_ways Thinker Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 200	Originally Posted by Penamunde Donna sure seems to be Disgruntled, but I will go look on the Dreamsinger. My main problem is the interviewers, they acted very very unprofessional and if they want to be considered professional in their Paranormal investigations. This is not the roadmap to take, Past and Current actions are always taken into account when investigators bring forth evidence on the unknown. Don't take my word for it just look at some of the Bigfoot threads here on the forum oh, i have no doubt she is disgruntled, she started to speak out a little, but was shut down. (maybe a sort of non-disclosure thing, i dont remember) yes, they define unprofessional, i agree. ah, bigfoot threads, gotta love 'em, i know i do.
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16th November 2009, 02:04 PM	#25
makaya325 Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: It's ok, im a limo driver! Posts: 4,655	Why do we take her word without any evidence to support her claim? It should work both ways when it comes to the burden of proof

16th November 2009, 02:35 PM	#27
daSkeptic Muse Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Bellingham, WA ... under the cheese counter at Haggen Posts: 713	Originally Posted by Audible Click During the "Collargate scandal", Halloween show 2008. Jason and Grant said on their Facebook pages that nothing was ever faked on their shows and if you believe that I have a bridge in Brooklyn I'd like to sell you. Interesting. I had always left open the possibility that the entire thing was just a clever media production, that it was all orchestrated to seem real (e.g. documentary-style shooting) and they just let people think it was without ever actually saying so. But if they've gone on record saying nothing was ever staged, they're taking a big risk. Had they never actually said it, they could have used that as a defense. But now they cannot.
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16th November 2009, 03:24 PM	#28
Lucian Muse Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 705	Originally Posted by wicked_ways Penamunde, Do you base your views on the assumption that Donna is a disgruntled cast member? There has been quite a lot of work done by someone named Dreamsinger who posted on the scifi forums. I don't base my views on the fake paranormal shows on Donna, I have seen actual evidence on the site created by dreamsinger called Darkrealm Labs. Every one of those silly shows has been completely busted by dreamsinger. Darkrealm Labs, check it out. Another Dreamsinger site: http://www.paranormal-tips.com/. I think there is a fair amount of overlap between Paranormal Tips and http://paranormal.darkrealmlabs.com/.
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16th November 2009, 07:28 PM	#29
makaya325 Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: It's ok, im a limo driver! Posts: 4,655	Originally Posted by daSkeptic Interesting. I had always left open the possibility that the entire thing was just a clever media production, that it was all orchestrated to seem real (e.g. documentary-style shooting) and they just let people think it was without ever actually saying so. But if they've gone on record saying nothing was ever staged, they're taking a big risk. Had they never actually said it, they could have used that as a defense. But now they cannot. Actually, you are right, they are ruining their credibility by denying that they faked an obviously crude trick on the Halloween special. It makes you rethink all of their other evidence they claim to be "Real".

16th November 2009, 07:41 PM	#30
daSkeptic Muse Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Bellingham, WA ... under the cheese counter at Haggen Posts: 713	Originally Posted by makaya325 It makes you rethink all of their other evidence they claim to be "Real". Not really. I've always seen the show as nothing more than SyFy's attempt at comedy programming. I knew there was commercial value in people thinking it's real, I just never knew anyone was actually saying it's real.
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16th November 2009, 08:00 PM	#31
desertgal Graduate Poster Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Dallas, Texas Posts: 1,835	Originally Posted by makaya325 Actually, you are right, they are ruining their credibility by denying that they faked an obviously crude trick on the Halloween special. What credibility? Quote: It makes you rethink all of their other evidence they claim to be "Real". No, it doesn't. Of course they claim their evidence is "real" - they have a show to sell. I doubt anyone, aside from a small deluded number of viewers, believed it was any more real than Ghostbusters.
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17th November 2009, 08:04 AM	#32
makaya325 Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: It's ok, im a limo driver! Posts: 4,655	Originally Posted by desertgal What credibility? No, it doesn't. Of course they claim their evidence is "real" - they have a show to sell. I doubt anyone, aside from a small deluded number of viewers, believed it was any more real than Ghostbusters. So every piece of evidence that was ever presented must be a fake, because it is on tv? Sorry, but some of it COULD be real, just not all of it.

17th November 2009, 08:12 AM	#33
Akhenaten Heretic Pharaoh Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Pi-Broadford Australia Posts: 6,287	Originally Posted by desertgal What credibility? No, it doesn't. Of course they claim their evidence is "real" - they have a show to sell. I doubt anyone, aside from a small deluded number of viewers, believed it was any more real than Ghostbusters. Originally Posted by makaya325 So every piece of evidence that was ever presented must be a fake, because it is on tv? Sorry, but some of it COULD be real, just not all of it. my bolding Considering that you're pretending to respond to desertgal here, would you mind pointing out how you think your statement relates to what was actually posted?
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17th November 2009, 08:14 AM	#34
makaya325 Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: It's ok, im a limo driver! Posts: 4,655	Originally Posted by Akhenaten my bolding Considering that you're pretending to respond to desertgal here, would you mind pointing out how you think your statement relates to what was actually posted? It is concerning the alleged fakery admitted by one of the Ghost Hunters crew, so It is almost a dead match, in relation to the OT

17th November 2009, 08:24 AM	#35
Careyp74 Graduate Poster Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Trevose, PA Posts: 1,656	Originally Posted by Akhenaten my bolding Considering that you're pretending to respond to desertgal here, would you mind pointing out how you think your statement relates to what was actually posted? Need I remind you that there is substantial evidence (I could just link the entire JREF forum here) that the posts being quoted by him are usually not read / comprehended by him before responding?

17th November 2009, 09:14 AM	#37
makaya325 Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: It's ok, im a limo driver! Posts: 4,655	Don't call me Golum