Quantum Jumping

Marshmallow · 15th November 2009, 03:29 AM

I keep seeing this ad for something called Quantum Jumping. Today, I decided to click on it out of curiosity. I figured I'd post the link for it here, since I haven't come across any discussions about it in the skeptical community yet.

http://www.quantumjumping.com/lp/subconscious-1?sr=1

In the link below, they quote a bunch of scientists, even a Nobel Prize winner, saying "The real clincher, though, lies in the discoveries of the most intelligent people in the world. Nobel prize winners, Professors, Quantum Physicists—If you can’t trust them, who else is left?" (scroll about a quarter of the way down the page

http://www.quantumjumping.com/products

I haven't read through all of it yet, but I'm already suspicious. I don't know much about science, however, so I wonder what you guys think...especially about these quotes by "the most intelligent people in the world." I'm going to be honest and admit that I don't know who any of these people are.

By the way, has anyone else noticed that almost all the sites that make miraculous claims have almost the same layout?

lionking · 15th November 2009, 03:38 AM

Originally Posted by Marshmallow

I keep seeing this ad for something called Quantum Jumping. Today, I decided to click on it out of curiosity. I figured I'd post the link for it here, since I haven't come across any discussions about it in the skeptical community yet.

http://www.quantumjumping.com/lp/subconscious-1?sr=1

I doubt any self-respecting skeptic would spend more than two seconds discussing this rubbish. Yeah I know I just have.

fromdownunder · 15th November 2009, 03:42 AM

I just wasted 5 minutes of my life scanning through that page. I will not waste any more of my time, and I will never ever get that 5 minutes back.

It's crap. But if you want to know how to surf the Multiverse for only $167.00, go for it. Now I have to go and wash my brain out with soap.

Norm

Marshmallow · 15th November 2009, 03:55 AM

Well, I guess it's as I suspected. I mean, if it really "gives anyone and I mean anyone the ability to consistently accomplish any goal, master any skill, and manifest endless abundance, health and happiness," why is this guy charging almost 200 bucks? Doesn't he already have endless abundance, health, and happiness?

But what I'm interested in is how all of these intelligent, scientifically-minded people are endorsing this product with glowing remarks. This confuses me.

lionking · 15th November 2009, 03:59 AM

Originally Posted by Marshmallow

But what I'm interested in is how all of these intelligent, scientifically-minded people are endorsing this product with glowing remarks. This confuses me.

They don't. Saying Hawkins et al support this product doesn't make it so.

On the assumption this is a serious question (and I'm not quite convinced of that), anytime the word "quantum" is mentioned in an ad, run like hell.

Marshmallow · 15th November 2009, 04:04 AM

Ah, now that I take a closer look, I see that these are not testemonials, but quotes from these scientists about parallel universes, etc.

And I admit that it was only a half-serious question.

arthwollipot · 15th November 2009, 04:26 AM

I think they covered this on SGU a while ago. Quite a while ago, from memory. IIRC it was one of the first episodes I listened to.

Professor Yaffle · 15th November 2009, 04:27 AM

Oh boy!

Carnivore · 15th November 2009, 06:12 AM

Originally Posted by Professor Yaffle

Oh boy!

Stray Cat · 15th November 2009, 06:35 AM

Wow - Completely unimpressed by this huckster...

I wasn't even going to bother with it, but I accidentally Quantum Jumped to Google, where I found all of his 'books' are self published (no talent required).
Not much of a revelation I suppose but I really can't be bothered digging any further though I'm sure there's plenty of dirt to be dug on him.

Just one more thing, he has come to the attention of sceptics in the past: From the Skeptic's Dictionary Newsletter

Enough...

Wolrab · 15th November 2009, 08:04 AM

I jump universes all the time. Unfortunately the decisions that caused these universe to break off from this one were so insignificant that there will be no noticeable changes for thousands of years. I have a suspicion that other Wolrabs from other universes are instantaneously taking my place when I jump so that no one notices. I should write a book....

Ladewig · 15th November 2009, 08:16 AM

Pure speculation on my part: it seems to me to be a take off on "The Secret." One of the flaws with that product is that it is hard to explain why young people manifest cancer or violence in their lives. The Secret's writers have said that people who have bad things happen are unconsciously wishing for bad things to happen. The product in the opening post seems to be a way to sell something to the Secret's followers who have not yet manifested "the wealth, creativity, decisiveness, and wisdom" described in the QJ site. The language used to sell both products is very similar.

Brattus · 15th November 2009, 08:35 AM

Wow! Thanks Marshmallow! This is gonna turn my life around!
I paid the money now I just gotta wait for them to mail me my multiverse jumping powers.
WEEEEEEEE DOGGGGGGGIEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!

Elizabeth I · 15th November 2009, 09:30 AM

Originally Posted by Brattus

Wow! Thanks Marshmallow! This is gonna turn my life around!
I paid the money now I just gotta wait for them to mail me my multiverse jumping powers.
WEEEEEEEE DOGGGGGGGIEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!

Be sure to take lots of pictures!

Wolrab · 15th November 2009, 11:53 AM

Cool! In this universe Randy is spelled with an "i".

Pure_Argent · 16th November 2009, 07:18 AM

Quote:

that’s precisely why I’ve been holding on to it until the right time, a time when someone like you would would intuitively know that right now is the time to open your mind to it.

Even the laughing dog is insufficient.

Dr H · 17th November 2009, 04:24 PM

"transforms anyone— and I mean anyone —into universe-hopping utopian beings, with the ability to consistently accomplish any goal, master any skill, and manifest endless abundance, health and happiness..."

Well k3wL!!!

So... why does he have to pedal his CDs at $32+ a pop on the web?

Endless abundance not manifesting sufficiently this week?

Aepervius · 18th November 2009, 08:01 AM

transforms anyone— and I mean anyone —into universe-hopping utopian beings, with the ability to consistently accomplish any goal, master any skill, and manifest endless abundance, health and happiness...

Yeah I can do that too.

But usually i wake up in the morning.

JoeTheJuggler · 18th November 2009, 04:13 PM

I just made a similar comment on the thread about Penrose's book on consciousness, but it fits here (and in the synchronicity thread too).

I think it's funny that these New Agey people invoke quantum weirdness to macro world events when the very reason quantum weirdness is considered weird is that it doesn't happen in the macro world.

Dr H · 19th November 2009, 04:01 PM

Originally Posted by JoeTheJuggler

I just made a similar comment on the thread about Penrose's book on consciousness, but it fits here (and in the synchronicity thread too).

I think it's funny that these New Agey people invoke quantum weirdness to macro world events when the very reason quantum weirdness is considered weird is that it doesn't happen in the macro world.

Consistency is the hobgoblin of non-New Age minds.

fromdownunder · 19th November 2009, 08:53 PM

Originally Posted by Dr H

Consistency is the hobgoblin of non-New Age minds.

Emmerson, slightly modified?

Norm

Dr H · 3rd December 2009, 05:08 PM

Originally Posted by fromdownunder

Emmerson, slightly modified?

Norm

Quantum uncertainty.

Lensman · 3rd December 2009, 05:42 PM

Originally Posted by Wolrab

Cool! In this universe Randy is spelled with an "i".

Have you found "Earth without a 'J' " yet?

Yoink · 3rd December 2009, 06:09 PM

Pretty small jump.

Lensman · 13th December 2009, 08:50 AM

Originally Posted by Yoink

Pretty small j iump.

fity

Ladewig · 13th December 2009, 08:55 AM

Originally Posted by Dr H

"transforms anyone— and I mean anyone —into universe-hopping utopian beings, with the ability to consistently accomplish any goal, master any skill, and manifest endless abundance, health and happiness..."

Well k3wL!!!

So... why does he have to pedal his CDs at $32+ a pop on the web?

Endless abundance not manifesting sufficiently this week?

I once heard a self-help guru explain that if he gave it away for free, then people wouldn't value it enough to do it properly.

15th November 2009, 03:29 AM	#1
Marshmallow Scholar Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 62	Quantum Jumping I keep seeing this ad for something called Quantum Jumping. Today, I decided to click on it out of curiosity. I figured I'd post the link for it here, since I haven't come across any discussions about it in the skeptical community yet. http://www.quantumjumping.com/lp/subconscious-1?sr=1 In the link below, they quote a bunch of scientists, even a Nobel Prize winner, saying "The real clincher, though, lies in the discoveries of the most intelligent people in the world. Nobel prize winners, Professors, Quantum Physicists—If you can’t trust them, who else is left?" (scroll about a quarter of the way down the page http://www.quantumjumping.com/products I haven't read through all of it yet, but I'm already suspicious. I don't know much about science, however, so I wonder what you guys think...especially about these quotes by "the most intelligent people in the world." I'm going to be honest and admit that I don't know who any of these people are. By the way, has anyone else noticed that almost all the sites that make miraculous claims have almost the same layout?
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15th November 2009, 03:38 AM	#2
lionking Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Melbourne Posts: 12,135	Originally Posted by Marshmallow I keep seeing this ad for something called Quantum Jumping. Today, I decided to click on it out of curiosity. I figured I'd post the link for it here, since I haven't come across any discussions about it in the skeptical community yet. http://www.quantumjumping.com/lp/subconscious-1?sr=1 I doubt any self-respecting skeptic would spend more than two seconds discussing this rubbish. Yeah I know I just have.
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15th November 2009, 03:55 AM	#4
Marshmallow Scholar Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 62	Well, I guess it's as I suspected. I mean, if it really "gives anyone and I mean anyone the ability to consistently accomplish any goal, master any skill, and manifest endless abundance, health and happiness," why is this guy charging almost 200 bucks? Doesn't he already have endless abundance, health, and happiness? But what I'm interested in is how all of these intelligent, scientifically-minded people are endorsing this product with glowing remarks. This confuses me.
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15th November 2009, 03:59 AM	#5
lionking Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Melbourne Posts: 12,135	Originally Posted by Marshmallow But what I'm interested in is how all of these intelligent, scientifically-minded people are endorsing this product with glowing remarks. This confuses me. They don't. Saying Hawkins et al support this product doesn't make it so. On the assumption this is a serious question (and I'm not quite convinced of that), anytime the word "quantum" is mentioned in an ad, run like hell.
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15th November 2009, 04:04 AM	#6
Marshmallow Scholar Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 62	Ah, now that I take a closer look, I see that these are not testemonials, but quotes from these scientists about parallel universes, etc. And I admit that it was only a half-serious question.
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15th November 2009, 03:42 AM	#3
fromdownunder Graduate Poster Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 1,527	I just wasted 5 minutes of my life scanning through that page. I will not waste any more of my time, and I will never ever get that 5 minutes back. It's crap. But if you want to know how to surf the Multiverse for only $167.00, go for it. Now I have to go and wash my brain out with soap. Norm

15th November 2009, 04:26 AM	#7
arthwollipot The Accidental Podcaster Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: On the other side of your screen. Posts: 28,320	I think they covered this on SGU a while ago. Quite a while ago, from memory. IIRC it was one of the first episodes I listened to.
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15th November 2009, 04:27 AM	#8
Professor Yaffle Butterbeans and Breadcrumbs Moderator Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Emily's shop Posts: 7,132	Oh boy!
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15th November 2009, 06:12 AM	#9
Carnivore Muse Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Manchester UK Posts: 581	Originally Posted by Professor Yaffle Oh boy!

15th November 2009, 06:35 AM	#10
Stray Cat Muse Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: The Land That Time Forgot Posts: 670	Wow - Completely unimpressed by this huckster... I wasn't even going to bother with it, but I accidentally Quantum Jumped to Google, where I found all of his 'books' are self published (no talent required). Not much of a revelation I suppose but I really can't be bothered digging any further though I'm sure there's plenty of dirt to be dug on him. Just one more thing, he has come to the attention of sceptics in the past: From the Skeptic's Dictionary Newsletter Enough...
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15th November 2009, 08:04 AM	#11
Wolrab Muse Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 526	I jump universes all the time. Unfortunately the decisions that caused these universe to break off from this one were so insignificant that there will be no noticeable changes for thousands of years. I have a suspicion that other Wolrabs from other universes are instantaneously taking my place when I jump so that no one notices. I should write a book....
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15th November 2009, 08:16 AM	#12
Ladewig Philosopher Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Gulf Coast Posts: 8,961	Pure speculation on my part: it seems to me to be a take off on "The Secret." One of the flaws with that product is that it is hard to explain why young people manifest cancer or violence in their lives. The Secret's writers have said that people who have bad things happen are unconsciously wishing for bad things to happen. The product in the opening post seems to be a way to sell something to the Secret's followers who have not yet manifested "the wealth, creativity, decisiveness, and wisdom" described in the QJ site. The language used to sell both products is very similar.
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15th November 2009, 08:35 AM	#13
Brattus Muse Join Date: May 2007 Location: The bowels of death and despair Posts: 515	Wow! Thanks Marshmallow! This is gonna turn my life around! I paid the money now I just gotta wait for them to mail me my multiverse jumping powers. WEEEEEEEE DOGGGGGGGIEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!
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15th November 2009, 09:30 AM	#14
Elizabeth I Olympic Equestrian Wannabe Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Defending the Alamo Posts: 5,125	Originally Posted by Brattus Wow! Thanks Marshmallow! This is gonna turn my life around! I paid the money now I just gotta wait for them to mail me my multiverse jumping powers. WEEEEEEEE DOGGGGGGGIEEE!!!!!!!!!!!! Be sure to take lots of pictures!
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15th November 2009, 11:53 AM	#15
Wolrab Muse Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 526	Cool! In this universe Randy is spelled with an "i".
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16th November 2009, 07:18 AM	#16
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17th November 2009, 04:24 PM	#17
Dr H Muse Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Earth Posts: 674	"transforms anyone— and I mean anyone —into universe-hopping utopian beings, with the ability to consistently accomplish any goal, master any skill, and manifest endless abundance, health and happiness..." Well k3wL!!! So... why does he have to pedal his CDs at $32+ a pop on the web? Endless abundance not manifesting sufficiently this week?
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18th November 2009, 08:01 AM	#18
Aepervius Graduate Poster Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 1,391	transforms anyone— and I mean anyone —into universe-hopping utopian beings, with the ability to consistently accomplish any goal, master any skill, and manifest endless abundance, health and happiness... Yeah I can do that too. But usually i wake up in the morning.
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18th November 2009, 04:13 PM	#19
JoeTheJuggler Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: St. Louis Posts: 10,998	I just made a similar comment on the thread about Penrose's book on consciousness, but it fits here (and in the synchronicity thread too). I think it's funny that these New Agey people invoke quantum weirdness to macro world events when the very reason quantum weirdness is considered weird is that it doesn't happen in the macro world.
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19th November 2009, 04:01 PM	#20
Dr H Muse Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Earth Posts: 674	Originally Posted by JoeTheJuggler I just made a similar comment on the thread about Penrose's book on consciousness, but it fits here (and in the synchronicity thread too). I think it's funny that these New Agey people invoke quantum weirdness to macro world events when the very reason quantum weirdness is considered weird is that it doesn't happen in the macro world. Consistency is the hobgoblin of non-New Age minds.
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19th November 2009, 08:53 PM	#21
fromdownunder Graduate Poster Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 1,527	Originally Posted by Dr H Consistency is the hobgoblin of non-New Age minds. Emmerson, slightly modified? Norm

3rd December 2009, 05:08 PM	#22
Dr H Muse Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Earth Posts: 674	Originally Posted by fromdownunder Emmerson, slightly modified? Norm Quantum uncertainty.
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3rd December 2009, 05:42 PM	#23
Lensman Graduate Poster Join Date: May 2007 Location: Caerphilly Posts: 1,114	Originally Posted by Wolrab Cool! In this universe Randy is spelled with an "i". Have you found "Earth without a 'J' " yet?
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3rd December 2009, 06:09 PM	#24
Yoink Graduate Poster Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 1,722	Pretty small jump.
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13th December 2009, 08:50 AM	#25
Lensman Graduate Poster Join Date: May 2007 Location: Caerphilly Posts: 1,114	Originally Posted by Yoink Pretty small j iump. fity
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13th December 2009, 08:55 AM	#26
Ladewig Philosopher Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Gulf Coast Posts: 8,961	Originally Posted by Dr H "transforms anyone— and I mean anyone —into universe-hopping utopian beings, with the ability to consistently accomplish any goal, master any skill, and manifest endless abundance, health and happiness..." Well k3wL!!! So... why does he have to pedal his CDs at $32+ a pop on the web? Endless abundance not manifesting sufficiently this week? I once heard a self-help guru explain that if he gave it away for free, then people wouldn't value it enough to do it properly.
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