Assumists miss the Big Picture

[Laughing Bear]

Assumists miss the Big Picture

What’s an Assumist ? Plenty of them about. They assume that if something don’t make sense, then it must be 100% BS.
Often they masquerade as skeptics, since that’s a more prestigious posture to assume. Difference being that instead of wanting new information, they are dismissive. Hence, Assumists are a sub-species of Cynic.
Anyway, for the genuine skeptics among us, consider this :
Jehovah can be attributed with founding 3 religions, all of which are historically at war with the others. (Yes, Christianity is a Jehovian religion, and not just because it has the Talmud tacked onto the back of fictitionalised records of the life and teachings of Jeshua ben Josef : St. Paul (Saul of Tarsus) never even met Jesus).
Bypassing the intricacies of proving the self-evident, one might ask why would the author of Judaism and Islam cultivate religious genocide and predict Armageddon ?
Simple. Blood sacrifice on a massive scale.
For those who have managed to avoid an understanding of ceremonial magic, the most powerful coin in bargaining with evil entities is blood sacrifice.
In Jehovah / Allah, we have the instigator of Kosher and Halal ceremonial slaughter of domesticated animals for the table, a procedure essentially the same as done in black magic, yet done daily on a massive scale.
This alone should be enough to alert the enquiring mind to the outline of a deception that has all-too-often been dismissed as baseless superstition.
The sheer absurdity of Jehovian doctrines invites ridicule from the rational. And in so doing, that absurdity successfully disguises the underlying agenda from those who have retained some vestige of independent thinking.
And what is that hidden agenda ?
It prevents mankind from fighting back against the predators that feed on our anguish and drink our life force.
Does it not strike you as an anomoly, that we can build machines that fly at supersonic speed, and yet are philosophically crippled by ridiculous religions and soap-opera hysteria ?
So smart in some ways, yet so dumb in others !
No accident. This crippling so we do not recognise the big picture is entirely deliberate, and comes from outside of humanity.
My people called them soul-eaters, and we had effective methods of defence. That is, until the Christian taliban invaded our lands 500 years ago, murdering our defiance and indoctrinating our children.

[Eyeron]

Well I agreed with the first sentence, then I read more I found out it was a thinly veiled attack on critical thinking.

It's very common behavior for people to dismiss things they don't understand.

[John Jones]

What exactly is your point?

Please be concise.

[Wolfman]

Just like Eyeron, I agree with the beginning, and find the rest to be the complete opposite of critical thinking.

Yes, "assumism" is wrong, an error in critical thinking.

But no less is yours. You have instead fallen for the "if they are wrong, then I am right" fallacy. You make arguments to demonstrate the fallacy of the three main monotheistic religions; then conclude that since they're wrong, you're right.

You demonstrate no evidence or proof for your beliefs beyond the fact that the other ones you talked about are wrong.

And you expect anyone to take this seriously?

Unless/until you can provide concrete, verifiable evidence for your claim, it has no more validity than that of any other religious/supernatural claim.

[Gord_in_Toronto]

As a speculist I have to say that I can see that in some circumstances what you say may be correct but I can think of many other cases where it may not be.

[Beerina]

Originally Posted by Laughing Bear

And what is that hidden agenda ?

Do tell.

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It prevents mankind from fighting back against the predators that feed on our anguish and drink our life force.

A wonderful, poetic description of the frauds at the the top of our organized "Jehova-ian" religions, especially at rapid-change inflection points, such as Jesus thru Paul, Mohammed, and the long-forgotten people who wrote the crap laughingly attributed to the single writer, Moses, with large parts scammed from nearby and earlier religions.

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Does it not strike you as an anomoly, that we can build machines that fly at supersonic speed, and yet are philosophically crippled by ridiculous religions and soap-opera hysteria ?

It is a focus of skeptics, to be sure. One prominent one even wrote a book called "Why smart people believe dumb things".

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So smart in some ways, yet so dumb in others !
No accident. This crippling so we do not recognise the big picture is entirely deliberate, and comes from outside of humanity.
My people called them soul-eaters, and we had effective methods of defence. That is, until the Christian taliban invaded our lands 500 years ago, murdering our defiance and indoctrinating our children.

I assume by "from outside humanity" you mean some kind of sentient creature(s) that are not homo sapiens. Depending on what religion, if any, you believe in, that could be interpreted as alternative gods, devils, demons, fallen angels, various and sundry spirits, or free-range body thetans.

Regardless of name-calling, I am interested in what you mean by "the big picture" that skeptical attitudes seem to be covering by dismissing western religions as silly-on-the-surface-of-it.

My question: What is it that it's covering up, and who or what are these non-human entities?

[AntiTelharsic]

Non-human entities called "Soul-eaters" are using religion to manipulate people into unconsciously performing black magic and blood sacrifice by way of religious ritual and war. Religion is also used to keep humanity stupid so that we can't discover the Soul-eaters and rebel, but while we're not allowed to progress philosophically, we may progress technologically in order to be better able to wage war and provide them with their blood sacrifice.

Is that what's being alleged here?

[Jeff Corey]

Originally Posted by Laughing Bear

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My people called them soul-eaters, and we had effective methods of defence. That is, until the Christian taliban invaded our lands 500 years ago, murdering our defiance and indoctrinating our children.

Soul eaters? Manga Santa Maria! http://media.photobucket.com/image/s..._RedSuzaku.jpg

[Third Eye Open]

Adding 'ist' and 'ism' to the end of words is a popular way of making the person you are talking about sound like a jerk.

[quarky]

Bold first post.

If soul-sucking entities exist in the universe, why don't we qualify? What's the point in inventing an outside agent of evil, when we seem well equipped for the job without them?

I agree that manipulation is the purpose of religion, and it's even logical from this perspective. I'm surprised that it continues to be successful, but so do all manner of scams meant to enrich someone at another's cost. If religion ever fades away completely, it will likely be replaced by something equally effective, as per manipulating the less educated out of their time and money.

[Apathia]

Originally Posted by quarky

If soul-sucking entities exist in the universe, why don't we qualify?

Indeed!
My grandmother and sister were soul-sucking entities.
They could drain the joy right out of you.

[Pure_Argent]

Originally Posted by Laughing Bear

Assumists miss the Big Picture

What’s an Assumist ? Plenty of them about. They assume that if something don’t make sense, then it must be 100% BS.
Often they masquerade as skeptics, since that’s a more prestigious posture to assume. Difference being that instead of wanting new information, they are dismissive. Hence, Assumists are a sub-species of Cynic.
Anyway, for the genuine skeptics among us, consider this :
Jehovah can be attributed with founding 3 religions, all of which are historically at war with the others. (Yes, Christianity is a Jehovian religion, and not just because it has the Talmud tacked onto the back of fictitionalised records of the life and teachings of Jeshua ben Josef : St. Paul (Saul of Tarsus) never even met Jesus).
Bypassing the intricacies of proving the self-evident, one might ask why would the author of Judaism and Islam cultivate religious genocide and predict Armageddon ?
Simple. Blood sacrifice on a massive scale.
For those who have managed to avoid an understanding of ceremonial magic, the most powerful coin in bargaining with evil entities is blood sacrifice.
In Jehovah / Allah, we have the instigator of Kosher and Halal ceremonial slaughter of domesticated animals for the table, a procedure essentially the same as done in black magic, yet done daily on a massive scale.
This alone should be enough to alert the enquiring mind to the outline of a deception that has all-too-often been dismissed as baseless superstition.
The sheer absurdity of Jehovian doctrines invites ridicule from the rational. And in so doing, that absurdity successfully disguises the underlying agenda from those who have retained some vestige of independent thinking.
And what is that hidden agenda ?
It prevents mankind from fighting back against the predators that feed on our anguish and drink our life force.
Does it not strike you as an anomoly, that we can build machines that fly at supersonic speed, and yet are philosophically crippled by ridiculous religions and soap-opera hysteria ?
So smart in some ways, yet so dumb in others !
No accident. This crippling so we do not recognise the big picture is entirely deliberate, and comes from outside of humanity.
My people called them soul-eaters, and we had effective methods of defence. That is, until the Christian taliban invaded our lands 500 years ago, murdering our defiance and indoctrinating our children.

TRANSLATION

You all are not real skeptics. You just don't want to believe, and this not wanting to believe prevents you from seeing the truth of religion. But the truth of religion isn't the existence of god - it is the fact that religion is an purposefully evil force used to blind the masses to the presence of non-human creatures that eat our souls.

REBUTTAL

lol

[RandFan]

Or so you assume.

[Gord_in_Toronto]

Originally Posted by Third Eye Open

Adding 'ist' and 'ism' to the end of words is a popular way of making the person you are talking about sound like a jerk.

Ahem. I know you were not talking about me. But speculist is a real word and means pretty much what it sounds like it should.

http://onlinedictionary.datasegment.com/word/speculist
speculist - Collaborative International Dictionary of English v.0.48 :

Speculist \Spec"u*list\, n.
One who observes or considers; an observer. [R.] --Goldsmith.
[1913 Webster]

[Hokulele]

Originally Posted by Laughing Bear

It prevents mankind from fighting back against the predators that feed on our anguish and drink our life force.

Twilight: New Moon isn't out until for another few days.

[Foster Zygote]

Originally Posted by Laughing Bear

Assumists miss the Big Picture

What’s an Assumist ? Plenty of them about. They assume that if something don’t make sense, then it must be 100% BS.
Often they masquerade as skeptics, since that’s a more prestigious posture to assume. Difference being that instead of wanting new information, they are dismissive. Hence, Assumists are a sub-species of Cynic.

I think that you'll find that most of the skeptics on this forum make a great effort to avoid such behavior. If they reject something as highly improbable it is because there is no evidence to support a claim and very likely alternative explanations that better fit what is observed.

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Anyway, for the genuine skeptics among us, consider this :
Jehovah can be attributed with founding 3 religions, all of which are historically at war with the others.

I think it would be more accurate to say that people who believed in YHWH have founded three major religions based on their own interpretations of YHWH. Interestingly, the history of YHWH predates the Abrahamic interpretation.

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(Yes, Christianity is a Jehovian religion, and not just because it has the Talmud tacked onto the back of fictitionalised records of the life and teachings of Jeshua ben Josef : St. Paul (Saul of Tarsus) never even met Jesus).

I am well aware of that. No one who wrote the New Testament canon ever met Jesus. In fact, only eight of the twenty seven New Testament books were written by who is said to have written them. It seems very likely that the thoroughly Jewish apocalyptic rabbi Jeshua would have been shocked by what came to be taught about him, and probably outraged that a faith that bore his name would become the official religion of the hated Roman Empire.

By the way, I think you mean the "Tanakh". The Talmud is not a part of any Christian canon. Its two parts were written around 200 CE and 500 CE respectively.

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Bypassing the intricacies of proving the self-evident, one might ask why would the author of Judaism and Islam cultivate religious genocide and predict Armageddon ?

Authors. Plural. There were many authors of the Tanakh. There were many authors of the Orthodox Christian canon. There were many authors of the Koran. YHWH did not write any of them because YHWH is a construct of human imagination.

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Does it not strike you as an anomoly, that we can build machines that fly at supersonic speed, and yet are philosophically crippled by ridiculous religions and soap-opera hysteria ?

Anomaly? No. Anachronistic, perhaps. Such magical thinking seems to be at least an artifact or an emergent property of fundamental features of human psychology. Given its prevalence it can hardly be termed "anomalous". It may be that we have supersonic aircraft and the ability to talk to someone on the other side of the globe in real time because we have the drive to figure out how things work and the imagination to construct gods to explain the things we don't understand.

I must say that I include talk of "soul-eaters" and other evil forces from outside humanity among the things that I would label as baseless superstition and soap-opera hysteria.

[Laughing Bear]

Eyeron has given us a circular argument with a remarkably small diameter.

John Jones : it can only be as concise as is required to map out the outline. A specific question would give an opportunity to elucidate.

Wolfman : there is no claim to exclusive rightness in my post. Yes, I expect that persons with an enquiring mind would take it more seriously than you did. If it is evidence you want, then you might demonstrate your bona fides by evaluating whether the idea fits the facts, and asking about what you consider to be an anomoly. How can a word be wrong ?

Gord in Toronto : You got me : had to look up speculist. Ok. You can think outside the box of conformity.

Beerina : My post differs from its deconstructed elements in that it attempts to bring a cohesive perspective which accommodates the seemingly disparate observations. To spell it out, the socially-enforced conformity that cripples an ability to reason beyond the prescribed reality is externally imposed to hold us as docile obedient domesticated primates. Those who develop the faculties proscribed in Leviticus (watcher of the times, witches et al) might be surprised at the diversity of those that prey on mankind. The nagual Juan Matus gives a fairly detailed description of one species in the posthumously-published book “The Active Side of Infinity” , a description which I have been able to verify by direct observation.

AntiTelharsic : Yes. Neatly summarised.

Jeff Corey : the illustrations bear no resemblance to that which I disclosed.

Third Eye Open : taking assumist rather personally ? Or am I assuming ?

Quarky : Good questions. We qualify in the sense that humanity has embraced the attributes of the predators where cruelty and greed seem to serve a personal agenda. Some are influenced to a greater extent than others. There are many examples in our history : of individuals who strove both personally and socially to counter those influences, not out of self-aggrandisement, but out of caring.

Aathia : Quite so. Those who collude are disgustingly formidable, yet are protected by the white-man’s law. One of the protections against this social toxicity in the Old Ways was that a person was banished on the first proven lie … effectively a death sentence.

Pure Agent : The assumption that the term Assumist applies to everyone on the forum says more about you than the subject of your critique. A remarkably caustic and cynical failure of interpretation. Why do you name yourself Pure ?

[KingMerv00]

Originally Posted by AntiTelharsic

Non-human entities called "Soul-eaters" are using religion to manipulate people into unconsciously performing black magic and blood sacrifice by way of religious ritual and war. Religion is also used to keep humanity stupid so that we can't discover the Soul-eaters and rebel, but while we're not allowed to progress philosophically, we may progress technologically in order to be better able to wage war and provide them with their blood sacrifice.

Is that what's being alleged here?

Originally Posted by Laughing Bear

AntiTelharsic : Yes. Neatly summarised.

What evidence made you believe in "Soul-eaters"?

[Puppycow]

Originally Posted by AntiTelharsic

Non-human entities called "Soul-eaters" are using religion to manipulate people into unconsciously performing black magic and blood sacrifice by way of religious ritual and war. Religion is also used to keep humanity stupid so that we can't discover the Soul-eaters and rebel, but while we're not allowed to progress philosophically, we may progress technologically in order to be better able to wage war and provide them with their blood sacrifice.

Is that what's being alleged here?

Thank you for that summary. That's what it appears to boil down to.

[Puppycow]

Originally Posted by RandFan

Or so you assume.

When you assume, you make an 'ass' out of 'u' and 'me.'

[arthwollipot]

Originally Posted by Puppycow

Thank you for that summary. That's what it appears to boil down to.

Wait - serious? This is what it's all about?

Goodness gracious.

[Puppycow]

Originally Posted by Hokulele

Twilight: New Moon isn't out until for another few days.

Oh, I get it now. Laughing Bear believes in vampires?

[Marquis de Carabas]

No.

[RandFan]

Originally Posted by Puppycow

When you assume, you make an 'ass' out of 'u' and 'me.'

Somebody got it.

[RandFan]

Originally Posted by Marquis de Carabas

No.

Yes, except of course when it's not.

[Wolfman]

Originally Posted by Laughing Bear

Wolfman : there is no claim to exclusive rightness in my post. Yes, I expect that persons with an enquiring mind would take it more seriously than you did. If it is evidence you want, then you might demonstrate your bona fides by evaluating whether the idea fits the facts, and asking about what you consider to be an anomoly. How can a word be wrong ?

Ummm...actually...nope.

There are literally millions of different beliefs out there. It is not only impossible for me to learn about all of them in any detail, but it would largely be a waste of time.

What you need to do is provide some sort of evidence for your claim...something that would give me reason to consider spending time learning about it.

Otherwise, I might as well just say that I believe polka-dotted snot monsters are responsible for all the world's evils...and since Christianity, Islam, and Judaism don't mention polka-dotted snot monsters, and since all three are obviously wrong...

...then voila! I must be right!

And the only reasonable response from you, by your own argument, is that if you don't make the effort now to investigate and learn about polka-dotted snot monsters (despite the fact I've presented no proof or verifiable data to support their existence), you are closed-minded.

How ironic that you set out to 'expose' an error in critical thinking...and end up just demonstrating another, even bigger one.

"Believe me because I said its true. See, those other guys are wrong, so it must be true! I won't present any evidence or verifiable data for my claim, but if you don't take my beliefs seriously, you are closed-minded."

But no...in the fine tradition of woos everywhere, your argument is the same as everyone else's. Simply find some convenient target, tear it down, and then assume that since they're wrong, you must be right.

There's a third -- and far more likely -- option.

You're both wrong.

Give me actual evidence, give me data that can be examined, give me experiments that can be duplicated...and I'll be happy to look more into your beliefs. However, like every other religious person on the planet, you will be unable to provide any of these.

And hell, if we're simply playing the odds here...given the literally thousands of different religions that we have out there, the odds that yours is the one that actually has the 'truth' are overwhelmingly against you.

[AntiTelharsic]

Originally Posted by AntiTelharsic

Non-human entities called "Soul-eaters" are using religion to manipulate people into unconsciously performing black magic and blood sacrifice by way of religious ritual and war. Religion is also used to keep humanity stupid so that we can't discover the Soul-eaters and rebel, but while we're not allowed to progress philosophically, we may progress technologically in order to be better able to wage war and provide them with their blood sacrifice.

Is that what's being alleged here?

Originally Posted by Laughing Bear

AntiTelharsic : Yes. Neatly summarised.

Originally Posted by KingMerv00

What evidence made you believe in "Soul-eaters"?

Thank you - that was going to be my next question

[A.A.Alfie]

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=158389

Laughing bear, here's a link that'll teach you how to multi quote. I had the same probem early. It will help with continuity.

[gtc]

Originally Posted by Laughing Bear

My people called them soul-eaters, and we had effective methods of defence. That is, until the Christian taliban invaded our lands 500 years ago, murdering our defiance and indoctrinating our children.

What do you mean by this?

If whoever you claim to be descended from had effective methods of defence then they wouldn't have been invaded, natch.

[AntiTelharsic]

Well, perhaps the pre-Columbian inhabitants of the Americas knew about some kind of Soul-eater Kryptonite which wasn't effective against Europeans. You weren't there, man. You don't know.

[gtc]

Originally Posted by Laughing Bear

The nagual Juan Matus

I had to look up the word 'nagual'.

It means wereturkey or weredonkey or, even, weredog.

As in werewolf but lamer.

[gtc]

Originally Posted by AntiTelharsic

Well, perhaps the pre-Columbian inhabitants of the Americas knew about some kind of Soul-eater Kryptonite which wasn't effective against Europeans. You weren't there, man. You don't know.

If werewolves are alergic to silver, then wereturkeys are probably alergic to aluminum.

[AntiTelharsic]

By the way, Laughing Bear, is Yahweh a Soul-eater or was he made up by the Soul-eaters?

[Rika]

Slight OT note: Twilight: NM comes out the day before my birthday. Hell of a present... (I hate the books and movies with a passion.)

Now to the main event:

I think he has a point! I mean, I know when I go around at work all day reciting Douman! Seiman! no demons come near me!

...

[A.A.Alfie]

Originally Posted by gtc

If werewolves are alergic to silver, then wereturkeys are probably alergic to aluminum.

Aluminium (tin) foil especially

[Soapy Sam]

Originally Posted by Laughing Bear

Assumists miss the Big Picture

What’s an Assumist ? Plenty of them about. They assume that if something don’t make sense, then it must be 100% BS.

Starting out with a strawman- and a self referential one at that, straight off the blocks. No messing about.

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Often they masquerade as skeptics, since that’s a more prestigious posture to assume. Difference being that instead of wanting new information, they are dismissive. Hence, Assumists are a sub-species of Cynic.

But is the distinction meaningful and relevant to your post? Or can the above be replaced by "Many people are cynics." ?

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Anyway, for the genuine skeptics among us, consider this :
Jehovah can be attributed with founding 3 religions, all of which are historically at war with the others. (Yes, Christianity is a Jehovian religion, and not just because it has the Talmud tacked onto the back of fictitionalised records of the life and teachings of Jeshua ben Josef : St. Paul (Saul of Tarsus) never even met Jesus).
Bypassing the intricacies of proving the self-evident, one might ask why would the author of Judaism and Islam cultivate religious genocide and predict Armageddon ?

One might, but that would imply that one believed in his existence. (Which this one doesn't).

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Simple. Blood sacrifice on a massive scale.
For those who have managed to avoid an understanding of ceremonial magic, the most powerful coin in bargaining with evil entities is blood sacrifice.

You seem to imply there is something to understand?

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In Jehovah / Allah, we have the instigator of Kosher and Halal ceremonial slaughter of domesticated animals for the table, a procedure essentially the same as done in black magic, yet done daily on a massive scale.

You are confusing a mythical entity with human beings. There's a difference. Mythical entities don't exist. The clue is the word "mythical".
People, on the other hand, are all too real and guilty of all you say. It's important not to get confused.

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This alone should be enough to alert the enquiring mind to the outline of a deception that has all-too-often been dismissed as baseless superstition.

Eh?

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The sheer absurdity of Jehovian doctrines invites ridicule from the rational. And in so doing, that absurdity successfully disguises the underlying agenda from those who have retained some vestige of independent thinking.

All religious doctrine is absurd. The Abrahamic stuff is just better known than most.

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And what is that hidden agenda ?
It prevents mankind from fighting back against the predators that feed on our anguish and drink our life force.

Now you're being daft.

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Does it not strike you as an anomoly, that we can build machines that fly at supersonic speed, and yet are philosophically crippled by ridiculous religions and soap-opera hysteria ?
So smart in some ways, yet so dumb in others !

It strikes me as sad that anything with the IQ of a mouse would take any religion seriously. Including one involving soul-eaters.

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No accident. This crippling so we do not recognise the big picture is entirely deliberate, and comes from outside of humanity.

Aye, right. Here we go. The reason religion is stupid is to blind us to the Secret Plan.
Let's just use Occam's Razor and conclude it's stupid because it's stupid.

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My people called them soul-eaters, and we had effective methods of defence. That is, until the Christian taliban invaded our lands 500 years ago, murdering our defiance and indoctrinating our children.

Away and don't be daft. If you're here to say genocide is a bad thing, fine. I doubt you'll get much argument. One culture has exterminated another all over the world for millennia. So it goes.
Religions are stone age culture with a few bronze age additions that have somehow survived into the space age. Bummer. I have yet to see that Native American stone age nonsense is any more useful than the middle eastern variety. Feel free to present your evidence, if any exists.

[Fiona]

Has someone been reading Carlos Castaneda lately?

[PixyMisa]

Originally Posted by Laughing Bear

For those who have managed to avoid an understanding of ceremonial magic, the most powerful coin in bargaining with evil entities is blood sacrifice.

True. It's also the least powerful coin in bargaining with evil entities.

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It prevents mankind from fighting back against the predators that feed on our anguish and drink our life force.

You could try snapping your fingers. It works great to ward off elephants.*

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Does it not strike you as an anomoly, that we can build machines that fly at supersonic speed, and yet are philosophically crippled by ridiculous religions and soap-opera hysteria ?

No.

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My people called them soul-eaters, and we had effective methods of defence.

Which also worked against elephants!*

* Technique may not work in presence of actual elephants.

[Elizabeth I]

Originally Posted by Fiona

Has someone been reading Carlos Castaneda lately?

Oh, no. Please no.

[Dancing David]

Originally Posted by Laughing Bear

For those who have managed to avoid an understanding of ceremonial magic, the most powerful coin in bargaining with evil entities is blood sacrifice.

I could not resist, this is too prime and shows you know about as much about ceremonial magic as you do assumism.

Um, you do not bargin with devi/devils/gods/angels/demons. That would be the abrogation of the power that allows the mage to summon/evoke external pweors and command them.

Now the idea is that the 'thing' summoned needs the energy of the life force to manifest, so often blodd may be offered.

But there are stronger forces to be used if one wishes.

One never ever, ever bargins with these forces.

In short the formula is invocation prior to evokation.

And then you just missed the boat to begin with.

"MY" god= white magic.
"YOUR" god=black magic.

When Vodun practioners invoke the loa they do not use blood specifically, despite the slaughter of animals at times.

What is it that the priestly one uses to invoke?

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In Jehovah / Allah, we have the instigator of Kosher and Halal ceremonial slaughter of domesticated animals for the table, a procedure essentially the same as done in black magic, yet done daily on a massive scale.

Great lack of citation, are you sure they say something like
"Here Jahweh, come and get it?"

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This alone should be enough to alert the enquiring mind to the outline of a deception that has all-too-often been dismissed as baseless superstition.

Um it is baseless superstition, the belief is the essence of pruity. it is the focusing of the will that leads to devotion.

BTW you have yet to demonstrate that there are these soul sucking forces.

I suggest you use Lovecraft and the Illuminatus as your research sources.

"One should not attribute to evil design any unfortunate result which can be attributed to error." alleged Murphy's law

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The sheer absurdity of Jehovian doctrines invites ridicule from the rational. And in so doing, that absurdity successfully disguises the underlying agenda from those who have retained some vestige of independent thinking.
And what is that hidden agenda ?
It prevents mankind from fighting back against the predators that feed on our anguish and drink our life force.

Nope, poltics and the pursuit of power is less poetic but easier to understand.

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Does it not strike you as an anomoly, that we can build machines that fly at supersonic speed, and yet are philosophically crippled by ridiculous religions and soap-opera hysteria ?
So smart in some ways, yet so dumb in others !
No accident. This crippling so we do not recognise the big picture is entirely deliberate, and comes from outside of humanity.

Sure , whatever.

I can sell you a potion and speel to take care of that!

Some prefer tin foil hats.