Palin Goes Rogue on Vegans

Puppycow · 19th November 2009, 05:51 PM

Sarah Palin has some friendly advice for Vegans in her new book.

Quote:

“If any vegans came over for dinner, I could whip them up a salad, then explain my philosophy on being a carnivore,” she wrote. “If God had not intended for us to eat animals, how come He made them out of meat?”

“I love meat, I eat pork chops, thick bacon burgers, and the seared fatty edges of a medium-well-done steak. But I especially love moose and caribou. I always remind people from outside our state that there’s plenty of room for all Alaska’s animals — right next to the mashed potatoes.”

Hey, what are aborted fetuses made of?
Yummy.

parky76 · 19th November 2009, 06:50 PM

“If any vegans came over for dinner, I could whip them up a salad, then explain my philosophy on being a carnivore,” she wrote. “If God had not intended for us to eat animals, how come He made them out of meat?”

did she really say this???

Puppycow · 19th November 2009, 06:57 PM

Originally Posted by parky76

“If any vegans came over for dinner, I could whip them up a salad, then explain my philosophy on being a carnivore,” she wrote. “If God had not intended for us to eat animals, how come He made them out of meat?”

did she really say this???

She wrote it in her book. Or her ghostwriter did and she approved it.
Linky

Wolfman · 19th November 2009, 06:58 PM

Originally Posted by parky76

did she really say this???

You might as well just tack that on the end of pretty much everything she says.

But I must give credit where credit is due. She had done what I would have thought impossible. She has actually managed to make Bush look smart by comparison.

parky76 · 19th November 2009, 06:58 PM

God Almighty. and she almost became our VP!!!!!!!

Tricky · 19th November 2009, 07:18 PM

It's an old old joke, meant to make her look folksy and funny. It is not a serious comment. This is incredibly unimportant.

Alan · 19th November 2009, 07:19 PM

I've heard “If God had not intended for us to eat animals, how come He made them out of meat?” years ago, as a joke. It sounds like she was just being jovial (or her reasoning on one more thing is a joke).

Sarah Palin, I'm made of meat. Eat me.

Fiona · 19th November 2009, 07:21 PM

The twist is that she appears to think this is a joke suitable for vegans she has in her home as guests. Classy

Tricky · 19th November 2009, 07:23 PM

Originally Posted by Fiona

The twist is that she appears to think this is a joke suitable for vegans she has in her home as guests. Classy

No, not very smart. What amazes me is that it got past the ghostwriter. Does he have something against her? I wonder if Bill Ayers wrote it?

Pardalis · 19th November 2009, 07:31 PM

She likes red meat, is that why she wears rouge all the time?

Puppycow · 19th November 2009, 07:41 PM

Originally Posted by Tricky

It's an old old joke, meant to make her look folksy and funny. It is not a serious comment. This is incredibly unimportant.

Who said it was important? It's a really funny joke in the same way that jokes about aborted fetuses are a riot!

Quote:

A woman and her fetus were walking into a clinic. "I'm scared," said the fetus.
The woman replies: "How do you think I feel? I have to walk out of here alone!"

Why did the fetus cross the road?
Because they moved the dumpster.

Phrost · 19th November 2009, 07:44 PM

The "...made out of meat" thing is an old, old joke like Tricky said. I haven't heard the "...next to the mashed potatoes" one though.

Seriously people? Threads like this read like a 3rd grader who's got a huge crush on a girl and doesn't know how to deal with it so he teases her for every little thing she does.

Unabogie · 19th November 2009, 07:48 PM

I think this thread is actually a nice contrast to the Obama bows thread. President Obama is respectful of everyone and generous with his good will.

Sarah Palin is a vindictive ass.

Pardalis · 19th November 2009, 07:50 PM

And asses are made of meat too, more so in some cases.

Unabogie · 19th November 2009, 07:53 PM

Originally Posted by Pardalis

And asses are made of meat too, more so in some cases.

I second the concept that I too am made of meat.

And Sarah Palin can bite me.

hgc · 19th November 2009, 07:56 PM

She likes her steak medium-well. What an ultramaroon.

Puppycow · 19th November 2009, 08:06 PM

Originally Posted by Phrost

The "...made out of meat" thing is an old, old joke like Tricky said. I haven't heard the "...next to the mashed potatoes" one though.

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Whiplash · 19th November 2009, 08:10 PM

Originally Posted by parky76

“If any vegans came over for dinner, I could whip them up a salad, then explain my philosophy on being a carnivore,” she wrote. “If God had not intended for us to eat animals, how come He made them out of meat?”

did she really say this???

OH man, I must agree.. that's one of the stupidest quotes I've ever seen. Yikes.

ETA:

Originally Posted by Tricky

It's an old old joke, meant to make her look folksy and funny. It is not a serious comment. This is incredibly unimportant.

Ahh, thanks for stating that Tricky. I admit she's no rocket scientist, but I couldn't believe she was actually that stupid. It makes sense that it's a very silly joke.

Whiplash · 19th November 2009, 08:14 PM

Originally Posted by Unabogie

I think this thread is actually a nice contrast to the Obama bows thread. President Obama is respectful of everyone and generous with his good will.

Sarah Palin is a vindictive ass.

With all due respect, she is a vindictive ass for poking fun at Vegans? If that's even what she was doing? She said she'd make them a salad, and then hit them with a joke that supports eating meat, not picking on Vegans.

And yet, have you heard the way some militant vegetarians speak? Are you sure you have your vindictive meter pointed in the correct direction?

Meadmaker · 19th November 2009, 08:17 PM

I'm surprised how many people have never heard those jokes.

What about the claim that "vegetarian" is an American Indian word for "bad hunter"?

Or, upon looking at the salad, "That's what food eats!"

ETA: And there's always the PETA Website.

Darth Rotor · 19th November 2009, 08:18 PM

Originally Posted by Tricky

It's an old old joke, meant to make her look folksy and funny. It is not a serious comment. This is incredibly unimportant.

Indeed.

Her carnivore obsession makes me almost hope for an invite to dinner. Good meat, cooked and served by a meat lover.

Almost. The air fare to Alaska would so increase my carbon footprint that I"d be felling guilty for far too long to actually take the trip.

"Ya gotta be kiddin' Darth responses in three, two, one ...

DR

Whiplash · 19th November 2009, 08:19 PM

You gotta be kiddin', Darth!

Unabogie · 19th November 2009, 08:23 PM

Originally Posted by Whiplash

With all due respect, she is a vindictive ass for poking fun at Vegans? If that's even what she was doing? She said she'd make them a salad, and then hit them with a joke that supports eating meat, not picking on Vegans.

And yet, have you heard the way some militant vegetarians speak? Are you sure you have your vindictive meter pointed in the correct direction?

Frankly, I am a vegan. So I take it personally, since it's directed at me. I don't think that "poking fun" at any group is becoming of someone who wants to be everyone's president, but when you couple that with her disgusting aerial wolf hunting, she is a person with little regard for not only animals, but for people who don't share her provincial, bigoted views (such as her extreme religious views).

And she's a vindictive ass for all the vindictive things she's done like working to fire her ex-brother in law but this comment is just unnecessary for anyone who wants to be a leader. I expect it from Ted Nugent, but he's an ass too.

Cynic · 19th November 2009, 08:24 PM

Originally Posted by Sarah Palin

“I always remind people from outside our state that there’s plenty of room for all Alaska’s animals — right next to the mashed potatoes.”

Damn, I read that and involuntarily winked at the end of it.

To be to fair though, it's actually kind of funny.

Tricky · 19th November 2009, 08:42 PM

Let's face it. Sarah is playing to her audience. People who hate her are going to be offended by anything and everything she says. She's not going to lose a single one of her supporters by making this joke. The real joke is on the people who harp on trivial stuff like this rather than paying attention to her policy positions. (She does have policy positions in the book, right?)

leftysergeant · 19th November 2009, 08:54 PM

Creativity is a sign of intelligence. She has shown no creativity that I can see here. She just recycles talking points and jokes, sometimes nihil appropos to the situation. Why does she include such comments in a book which one would expect to clarify what she had tried to tell America?

Was that twit ever really in the room?

JoeTheJuggler · 19th November 2009, 08:55 PM

I think it shows a rhetorical style (and a way of thinking) no more elaborate or nuanced that the genre of bumper stickers.

Puppycow · 19th November 2009, 08:56 PM

Originally Posted by Tricky

The real joke is on the people who harp on trivial stuff like this rather than paying attention to her policy positions. (She does have policy positions in the book, right?)

Tricky, I'm a little confused. Didn't you start a thread called "Sexy Sarah, what have you done?"

I guess that kind of stuff is important while this is trivial?

quarky · 19th November 2009, 08:58 PM

I think she'll become the new, wilder, Martha Stewart. Less doilies; more butchering.

psychictv · 19th November 2009, 09:03 PM

Originally Posted by parky76

God Almighty. and she almost became our VP!!!!!!!

No, not really. Not even close.

Mark A. Siefert · 19th November 2009, 09:42 PM

While I don't agree with the "moral" arguments for vegetarianism/veganism and find the animal right movement to be obnoxious, I find Palin's handling of this hypothetical situation to be rather impolite.

When you have got guests coming over you obligated to make their visit as pleasant as possible. Since I have pets, I ask if they any allergies and inform them of my dog and two cats and keep a bottle of antihistamines handy or see if my sister or mother can take them in for the night. If I'm serving food, I ask if they have dietry requirements and/or restrictions. If so, I grin, bear it, and serve them what they want. I don't lecture them on validity of their beliefs or expect them to accommodate mine. That would be rude.

But, I suppose "hospitality" is not one of the traditional family values the Right is always carping about.

Cynic · 19th November 2009, 10:06 PM

I really think too much is being made of what must have been a facetious passage. I'd read the book to find out for sure, but, I'm, um... washing my hair. Yeah.

Redtail · 19th November 2009, 10:18 PM

Meh. I rip on Vegans a lot but I also have a grill that has never had meat nor fish on it for my vegan friends at BBQs.

mhaze · 19th November 2009, 10:27 PM

Originally Posted by Meadmaker

I'm surprised how many people have never heard those jokes.

What about the claim that "vegetarian" is an American Indian word for "bad hunter"?

Or, upon looking at the salad, "That's what food eats!"

ETA: And there's always the PETA Website.

I am also surprised no one has heard it before.

I am astounded that people would think it was an actual directive from God.

ETA: were you perhaps thinking of www.pweeta.org?

Yummy. Yummy. Yummy.

Whiplash · 19th November 2009, 11:07 PM

Originally Posted by Mark A. Siefert

While I don't agree with the "moral" arguments for vegetarianism/veganism and find the animal right movement to be obnoxious, I find Palin's handling of this hypothetical situation to be rather impolite.

When you have got guests coming over you obligated to make their visit as pleasant as possible. Since I have pets, I ask if they any allergies and inform them of my dog and two cats and keep a bottle of antihistamines handy or see if my sister or mother can take them in for the night. If I'm serving food, I ask if they have dietry requirements and/or restrictions. If so, I grin, bear it, and serve them what they want. I don't lecture them on validity of their beliefs or expect them to accommodate mine. That would be rude.

But, I suppose "hospitality" is not one of the traditional family values the Right is always carping about.

But come on, if she said it as a joke?

Assume for a moment, she actually prepares them a very nice salad, and then gives it to them, and without any other form of preaching, just to "lighten the mood", she tells this very (admittedly stupid) joke. Is that so insensitive?

Telling a dumb, folksy joke is "lecturing on the validity of their beliefs"? It couldn't even possibly be seen as an attempt to disarm the situation a bit with some playfull humor? Again, assuming that is all she said, and it continued on with any further mention of the subject?

I would think a person would be more insulted by the stupidity of the joke itself, than they would think "she's attacking my vegan beliefs!!". I can totally see how this (if it even would ever happen) could play out in a friendly and laughing manner (or at least polite laughter with odd glances). At least amongst people who aren't extremely uptight.

ETA: I am assuming the only part that would be pertinent to the meal would be the first of two quotes in the OP. I assume the second quote is her own defense of her beliefs into the book as content for the reader.

Tricky · 19th November 2009, 11:12 PM

Originally Posted by Puppycow

Tricky, I'm a little confused. Didn't you start a thread called "Sexy Sarah, what have you done?"

I guess that kind of stuff is important while this is trivial?

Correct. That was because Sarah was making a serious statement about sexism in the media. It was not a lame joke. However hypocritical it was, it was a statement about her policy on sexism. The anecdote in the book was not a statement on anything really. It was just a joke intended to please her supporters.

Cain · 19th November 2009, 11:17 PM

I saw that quote and stopped reading after she claimed to be a "carnivore." That joke is beyond lame -- something from a fifties soft-back on public "roasting." The other one's better (i.e., "next to the mashed potatoes") but I strongly suspect it's an Alaskan reworking of someone else's joke. But those are criticisms of the book she didn't write. Palin is scandalously stupid; her astonishing support among right-wing nut jobs demonstrates that about 15-20% of the people in this country are beyond reason.

Matt Damon got it exactly right when he said her candidacy was like a bad Disney movie. The hockey mom from Wasilla becomes President!
Palin to a room full of suits: "Oh, I know we can balance the budget. It's just like goin' to the grocery n' spendin' on whatchya need. Cut coupons, buy in bulk, get things that are on sale."

Dragoonster · 19th November 2009, 11:28 PM

Originally Posted by Whiplash

But come on, if she said it as a joke?

Assume for a moment, she actually prepares them a very nice salad, and then gives it to them, and without any other form of preaching, just to "lighten the mood", she tells this very (admittedly stupid) joke. Is that so insensitive?

Well yes, if the vegan takes their beliefs seriously. Puppycow's link is right on [well the actual thing linked too is repulsive imo, but his point is right]. Since Palin is pro-life, and I'm pro-choice, should I start with one of those fetus jokes to "lighten the mood"? How do we know the vegan holds her views (of animal's inherent rights or "soul" or whatever, if that's why they're a vegan) any less seriously or personally profound than Palin views abortion?

Starting with a joke is indeed making light of the situation, passing it off as not serious at all. You don't (or shouldn't) see any serious debate about the Palestine-Israeli conflict starting with jokes about ovens and camels.

Brainster · 19th November 2009, 11:48 PM

Vegans need to get a sense of humor. And a bacon cheeseburger.

Thank you, thank you. I'll be here all week. And don't try the veal, it's made from baby sheep.

sugarb · 20th November 2009, 01:54 AM

Originally Posted by Tricky

No, not very smart. What amazes me is that it got past the ghostwriter. Does he have something against her? I wonder if Bill Ayers wrote it?

LOL! Oh no. Another conspiracy theory.

19th November 2009, 05:51 PM	#1
Puppycow Philosopher Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Japan Posts: 6,323	Palin Goes Rogue on Vegans Sarah Palin has some friendly advice for Vegans in her new book. Quote: “If any vegans came over for dinner, I could whip them up a salad, then explain my philosophy on being a carnivore,” she wrote. “If God had not intended for us to eat animals, how come He made them out of meat?” “I love meat, I eat pork chops, thick bacon burgers, and the seared fatty edges of a medium-well-done steak. But I especially love moose and caribou. I always remind people from outside our state that there’s plenty of room for all Alaska’s animals — right next to the mashed potatoes.” Hey, what are aborted fetuses made of? Yummy.
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19th November 2009, 06:50 PM	#2
parky76 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 15,493	“If any vegans came over for dinner, I could whip them up a salad, then explain my philosophy on being a carnivore,” she wrote. “If God had not intended for us to eat animals, how come He made them out of meat?” did she really say this???
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19th November 2009, 06:57 PM	#3
Puppycow Philosopher Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Japan Posts: 6,323	Originally Posted by parky76 “If any vegans came over for dinner, I could whip them up a salad, then explain my philosophy on being a carnivore,” she wrote. “If God had not intended for us to eat animals, how come He made them out of meat?” did she really say this??? She wrote it in her book. Or her ghostwriter did and she approved it. Linky
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19th November 2009, 06:58 PM	#4
Wolfman Chief Solipsistic Autosycophant Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Beijing, China Posts: 7,954	Originally Posted by parky76 did she really say this??? You might as well just tack that on the end of pretty much everything she says. But I must give credit where credit is due. She had done what I would have thought impossible. She has actually managed to make Bush look smart by comparison.
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19th November 2009, 07:18 PM	#6
Tricky Radical centrist Moderator Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: The Group W bench Posts: 27,287	It's an old old joke, meant to make her look folksy and funny. It is not a serious comment. This is incredibly unimportant.

19th November 2009, 07:19 PM	#7
Alan Critical Thinker Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 366	I've heard “If God had not intended for us to eat animals, how come He made them out of meat?” years ago, as a joke. It sounds like she was just being jovial (or her reasoning on one more thing is a joke). Sarah Palin, I'm made of meat. Eat me.

19th November 2009, 07:21 PM	#8
Fiona Philosopher Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 6,103	The twist is that she appears to think this is a joke suitable for vegans she has in her home as guests. Classy
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19th November 2009, 07:23 PM	#9
Tricky Radical centrist Moderator Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: The Group W bench Posts: 27,287	Originally Posted by Fiona The twist is that she appears to think this is a joke suitable for vegans she has in her home as guests. Classy No, not very smart. What amazes me is that it got past the ghostwriter. Does he have something against her? I wonder if Bill Ayers wrote it?

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19th November 2009, 07:41 PM	#11
Puppycow Philosopher Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Japan Posts: 6,323	Originally Posted by Tricky It's an old old joke, meant to make her look folksy and funny. It is not a serious comment. This is incredibly unimportant. Who said it was important? It's a really funny joke in the same way that jokes about aborted fetuses are a riot! Quote: A woman and her fetus were walking into a clinic. "I'm scared," said the fetus. The woman replies: "How do you think I feel? I have to walk out of here alone!" Why did the fetus cross the road? Because they moved the dumpster.
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19th November 2009, 07:44 PM	#12
Phrost The Fighting Skeptic Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Cowtown, Missouri Posts: 1,429	The "...made out of meat" thing is an old, old joke like Tricky said. I haven't heard the "...next to the mashed potatoes" one though. Seriously people? Threads like this read like a 3rd grader who's got a huge crush on a girl and doesn't know how to deal with it so he teases her for every little thing she does.
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19th November 2009, 07:48 PM	#13
Unabogie Muse Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 660	I think this thread is actually a nice contrast to the Obama bows thread. President Obama is respectful of everyone and generous with his good will. Sarah Palin is a vindictive ass.
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19th November 2009, 07:50 PM	#14
Pardalis Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Montréal Posts: 19,186	And asses are made of meat too, more so in some cases.
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19th November 2009, 07:53 PM	#15
Unabogie Muse Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 660	Originally Posted by Pardalis And asses are made of meat too, more so in some cases. I second the concept that I too am made of meat. And Sarah Palin can bite me.
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19th November 2009, 08:06 PM	#17
Puppycow Philosopher Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Japan Posts: 6,323	Originally Posted by Phrost The "...made out of meat" thing is an old, old joke like Tricky said. I haven't heard the "...next to the mashed potatoes" one though. http://blog.nashveggie.com/wp-conten.../billboard.jpg
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19th November 2009, 08:10 PM	#18
Whiplash Acting like a maniac Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Shipwrecked and Comatose Posts: 4,001	Originally Posted by parky76 “If any vegans came over for dinner, I could whip them up a salad, then explain my philosophy on being a carnivore,” she wrote. “If God had not intended for us to eat animals, how come He made them out of meat?” did she really say this??? OH man, I must agree.. that's one of the stupidest quotes I've ever seen. Yikes. ETA: Originally Posted by Tricky It's an old old joke, meant to make her look folksy and funny. It is not a serious comment. This is incredibly unimportant. Ahh, thanks for stating that Tricky. I admit she's no rocket scientist, but I couldn't believe she was actually that stupid. It makes sense that it's a very silly joke.
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19th November 2009, 08:14 PM	#19
Whiplash Acting like a maniac Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Shipwrecked and Comatose Posts: 4,001	Originally Posted by Unabogie I think this thread is actually a nice contrast to the Obama bows thread. President Obama is respectful of everyone and generous with his good will. Sarah Palin is a vindictive ass. With all due respect, she is a vindictive ass for poking fun at Vegans? If that's even what she was doing? She said she'd make them a salad, and then hit them with a joke that supports eating meat, not picking on Vegans. And yet, have you heard the way some militant vegetarians speak? Are you sure you have your vindictive meter pointed in the correct direction?
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Meadmaker Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Detroit suburbs Posts: 8,113	I'm surprised how many people have never heard those jokes. What about the claim that "vegetarian" is an American Indian word for "bad hunter"? Or, upon looking at the salad, "That's what food eats!" ETA: And there's always the PETA Website.
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Darth Rotor Salted Sith Cynic Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Rat cheer Posts: 26,802	Originally Posted by Tricky It's an old old joke, meant to make her look folksy and funny. It is not a serious comment. This is incredibly unimportant. Indeed. Her carnivore obsession makes me almost hope for an invite to dinner. Good meat, cooked and served by a meat lover. Almost. The air fare to Alaska would so increase my carbon footprint that I"d be felling guilty for far too long to actually take the trip. "Ya gotta be kiddin' Darth responses in three, two, one ... DR
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19th November 2009, 08:19 PM	#22
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19th November 2009, 08:23 PM	#23
Unabogie Muse Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 660	Originally Posted by Whiplash With all due respect, she is a vindictive ass for poking fun at Vegans? If that's even what she was doing? She said she'd make them a salad, and then hit them with a joke that supports eating meat, not picking on Vegans. And yet, have you heard the way some militant vegetarians speak? Are you sure you have your vindictive meter pointed in the correct direction? Frankly, I am a vegan. So I take it personally, since it's directed at me. I don't think that "poking fun" at any group is becoming of someone who wants to be everyone's president, but when you couple that with her disgusting aerial wolf hunting, she is a person with little regard for not only animals, but for people who don't share her provincial, bigoted views (such as her extreme religious views). And she's a vindictive ass for all the vindictive things she's done like working to fire her ex-brother in law but this comment is just unnecessary for anyone who wants to be a leader. I expect it from Ted Nugent, but he's an ass too.
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19th November 2009, 08:24 PM	#24
Cynic Graduate Poster Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Posts: 1,060	Originally Posted by Sarah Palin “I always remind people from outside our state that there’s plenty of room for all Alaska’s animals — right next to the mashed potatoes.” Damn, I read that and involuntarily winked at the end of it. To be to fair though, it's actually kind of funny.
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19th November 2009, 08:42 PM	#25
Tricky Radical centrist Moderator Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: The Group W bench Posts: 27,287	Let's face it. Sarah is playing to her audience. People who hate her are going to be offended by anything and everything she says. She's not going to lose a single one of her supporters by making this joke. The real joke is on the people who harp on trivial stuff like this rather than paying attention to her policy positions. (She does have policy positions in the book, right?)

19th November 2009, 08:54 PM	#26
leftysergeant Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Spanaway WA Posts: 6,717	Creativity is a sign of intelligence. She has shown no creativity that I can see here. She just recycles talking points and jokes, sometimes nihil appropos to the situation. Why does she include such comments in a book which one would expect to clarify what she had tried to tell America? Was that twit ever really in the room?

19th November 2009, 08:55 PM	#27
JoeTheJuggler Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: St. Louis Posts: 10,992	I think it shows a rhetorical style (and a way of thinking) no more elaborate or nuanced that the genre of bumper stickers.
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19th November 2009, 08:56 PM	#28
Puppycow Philosopher Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Japan Posts: 6,323	Originally Posted by Tricky The real joke is on the people who harp on trivial stuff like this rather than paying attention to her policy positions. (She does have policy positions in the book, right?) Tricky, I'm a little confused. Didn't you start a thread called "Sexy Sarah, what have you done?" I guess that kind of stuff is important while this is trivial?
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19th November 2009, 08:58 PM	#29
quarky Title Free Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 6,082	I think she'll become the new, wilder, Martha Stewart. Less doilies; more butchering.
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19th November 2009, 09:03 PM	#30
psychictv Critical Thinker Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 401	Originally Posted by parky76 God Almighty. and she almost became our VP!!!!!!! No, not really. Not even close.

19th November 2009, 09:42 PM	#31
Mark A. Siefert Illuminator Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Muskego, WI. Posts: 3,169	While I don't agree with the "moral" arguments for vegetarianism/veganism and find the animal right movement to be obnoxious, I find Palin's handling of this hypothetical situation to be rather impolite. When you have got guests coming over you obligated to make their visit as pleasant as possible. Since I have pets, I ask if they any allergies and inform them of my dog and two cats and keep a bottle of antihistamines handy or see if my sister or mother can take them in for the night. If I'm serving food, I ask if they have dietry requirements and/or restrictions. If so, I grin, bear it, and serve them what they want. I don't lecture them on validity of their beliefs or expect them to accommodate mine. That would be rude. But, I suppose "hospitality" is not one of the traditional family values the Right is always carping about.
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19th November 2009, 10:06 PM	#32
Cynic Graduate Poster Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Posts: 1,060	I really think too much is being made of what must have been a facetious passage. I'd read the book to find out for sure, but, I'm, um... washing my hair. Yeah.
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19th November 2009, 10:18 PM	#33
Redtail Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 5,256	Meh. I rip on Vegans a lot but I also have a grill that has never had meat nor fish on it for my vegan friends at BBQs.
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19th November 2009, 10:27 PM	#34
mhaze Philosopher Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Woo*(+-1.10)^20=AGWwoo Posts: 8,236	Originally Posted by Meadmaker I'm surprised how many people have never heard those jokes. What about the claim that "vegetarian" is an American Indian word for "bad hunter"? Or, upon looking at the salad, "That's what food eats!" ETA: And there's always the PETA Website. I am also surprised no one has heard it before. I am astounded that people would think it was an actual directive from God. ETA: were you perhaps thinking of www.pweeta.org? Yummy. Yummy. Yummy.
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19th November 2009, 11:07 PM	#35
Whiplash Acting like a maniac Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Shipwrecked and Comatose Posts: 4,001	Originally Posted by Mark A. Siefert While I don't agree with the "moral" arguments for vegetarianism/veganism and find the animal right movement to be obnoxious, I find Palin's handling of this hypothetical situation to be rather impolite. When you have got guests coming over you obligated to make their visit as pleasant as possible. Since I have pets, I ask if they any allergies and inform them of my dog and two cats and keep a bottle of antihistamines handy or see if my sister or mother can take them in for the night. If I'm serving food, I ask if they have dietry requirements and/or restrictions. If so, I grin, bear it, and serve them what they want. I don't lecture them on validity of their beliefs or expect them to accommodate mine. That would be rude. But, I suppose "hospitality" is not one of the traditional family values the Right is always carping about. But come on, if she said it as a joke? Assume for a moment, she actually prepares them a very nice salad, and then gives it to them, and without any other form of preaching, just to "lighten the mood", she tells this very (admittedly stupid) joke. Is that so insensitive? Telling a dumb, folksy joke is "lecturing on the validity of their beliefs"? It couldn't even possibly be seen as an attempt to disarm the situation a bit with some playfull humor? Again, assuming that is all she said, and it continued on with any further mention of the subject? I would think a person would be more insulted by the stupidity of the joke itself, than they would think "she's attacking my vegan beliefs!!". I can totally see how this (if it even would ever happen) could play out in a friendly and laughing manner (or at least polite laughter with odd glances). At least amongst people who aren't extremely uptight. ETA: I am assuming the only part that would be pertinent to the meal would be the first of two quotes in the OP. I assume the second quote is her own defense of her beliefs into the book as content for the reader.
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