Simply Raw: Reversing Diabetes in 30 Days (6 min video)

Kuko 4000 · 20th November 2009, 02:23 AM

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So, homeopaths, spiritual leaders and Woody Harrelson have found a way to cure diabetes. I'm still waiting to see their study in more detail.

macdoc · 20th November 2009, 02:39 AM

I guess you don't know too much about Type 2 diabetes..not even enough to put it in the topic post.

There is little or no woo about this...they are simply managing their glycemic food intake in a way to control their need for supplemental insulin.

http://www.annecollins.com/weight-co...2-diabetes.htm

The "organic" aspect is mostly nonsense but the rest is nothing new at all.

No "magic" there, tho not so easy to maintain.

Not sure at all what you are on about.

Kuko 4000 · 20th November 2009, 03:17 AM

Originally Posted by macdoc

I guess you don't know too much about Type 2 diabetes..not even enough to put it in the topic post.

There is little or no woo about this...they are simply managing their glycemic food intake in a way to control their need for supplemental insulin.

http://www.annecollins.com/weight-co...2-diabetes.htm

The "organic" aspect is mostly nonsense but the rest is nothing new at all.

No "magic" there, tho not so easy to maintain.

Not sure at all what you are on about.

The clip dramatically opens up with this quote:

"The diabetes is a chronic disease that has no cure."

The clip talks about reversing diabetes, closer to the end the homeopath says "we can consider you're cured of diabetes" followed by applause.

The clip also suggested they had discovered something new. The doctor seemed impressed ("how do we ship all my patients to Arizona").

I smelled woo.

But you are correct, I know next to nothing about diabetes. My next step is to try and watch the whole film...

Capsid · 20th November 2009, 04:36 AM

Read up about the different types of diabetes. Type I is where you need regular insulin injections. Type II can easily be controlled by diet.

Kuko 4000 · 20th November 2009, 04:54 AM

Capsid, I don't know much about Diabetes but I do know that*. I didn't know reversing let alone curing type 2 diabetes is the same as controlling it. Am I overreacting to this clip by calling it woo?

Edit: *in fact, there's type 2 diabetes in my family...

MrQhuest · 20th November 2009, 05:22 AM

Type II can be caused simply by obesity. It can be controlled with diet and sometimes cured simply by losing weight. Same with pregnancy induced diabetes.
Without watching the video, I think it is misleading for anyone to say "we can cure diabetes," without specifically stating what type they are talking about.

MrQ

Gagglegnash · 20th November 2009, 05:40 AM

Hi

Type II can be caused simply by obesity. It can be cont....

D'OH! (_8(|)

Beat me to it.

I lost 40 Lbs. and my blood sugar's been normal ever since.

Kuko 4000 · 20th November 2009, 05:51 AM

Originally Posted by MrQhuest

Type II can be caused simply by obesity. It can be controlled with diet and sometimes cured simply by losing weight. Same with pregnancy induced diabetes.
Without watching the video, I think it is misleading for anyone to say "we can cure diabetes," without specifically stating what type they are talking about.

MrQ

Well, in the beginning, the clip makes a big fuss about diabetes being a disease that cannot be cured, then it shows a homeopath declaring that they have cured a patient from diabetes (I guess in 30 days as the title of the movie suggests). It could just be a case of misleading the audience (which is woo as well in my books), but I'm gonna have to see the whole film before making any bigger judgements. Smells bad to me. In any case, I didn't even know that you can cure a type 2 diabetes, let alone in 30 days. I have found some evidence from Wikipedia that suggest that (never really digged any deeper), but is it really a case of curing rather than controlling it?

Capsid · 20th November 2009, 05:55 AM

Originally Posted by Kuko 4000

Capsid, I don't know much about Diabetes but I do know that*. I didn't know reversing let alone curing type 2 diabetes is the same as controlling it. Am I overreacting to this clip by calling it woo?

Edit: *in fact, there's type 2 diabetes in my family...

It is incorrect to use the term cure. Type I is a loss of islet cells in the pancreas, the only way to cure that might be to implant stem cells in the pancreas. Type II diabetes is caused by the body's insensitivity to insulin. It's woo if you think that a raw food diet is the only way to treat type II diabetes.

Pharmaceuticalised? That made me giggle.

And the study was done on 6 people. Hardly a rigorous study. If they are cured then they can return to their original diets and lifestyle. I sincerely doubt that happened. They are very economical with the details too. The only way to find out the details is to buy the DVD ($30), what a surprise!

Kuko 4000 · 20th November 2009, 06:00 AM

Originally Posted by Capsid

The only way to find out the details is to buy the DVD ($30), what a surprise!

Or you can click the spoiler in my og post

Capsid · 20th November 2009, 06:37 AM

Originally Posted by Kuko 4000

Or you can click the spoiler in my og post

Sorry, couldn't bring myself to watch the whole vid.

MRC_Hans · 20th November 2009, 07:06 AM

Originally Posted by Kuko 4000

Capsid, I don't know much about Diabetes but I do know that*. I didn't know reversing let alone curing type 2 diabetes is the same as controlling it. Am I overreacting to this clip by calling it woo?

Edit: *in fact, there's type 2 diabetes in my family...

Let's get a few things straight, here.

Type 1 diabetes is insulin deficiency. The body produces insufficient insulin, often no insulin at all. There is research going on, but as of yet it is incurable, and can only be managed in a satisfactory way by insulin injections.

Type 2 diabetes is insulin resistance. At least in the early stages, the body produces plenty of insulin, but the body cells have reduced sensitivity. Type 2 is a lifestyle disease, and while there is a genetic vector (some get it easier than others), the main causes are overweight, lack of exercise, high fat and sugar diet, smoking. The root cause is yet unknown.

Type 2 is partly reversible, in that medicine, weight loss, appropriate diet, smoke stop, exercise, can increase the insulin sensitivity, often to a oint where the patient becomes symptom free and medicine independent for many years, sometimes for the rest of their lives. These are the cases that are called 'cured' by homeopaths ets. However, it is important to know that the disease is only dormant; any fall-back to old habits will bring it on again.

There are some special types of diabetes, for instance pregnancy diabetes, which is usually self-limiting; after birth, the disease will disappear, although leaving a strong risk of reoccurrence.

After strong trauma, patients may also develop a temporary diabetes.

One type of insulin resistance, in its symptoms indistinguishable from ordinary type 2 is triggered by malnutrition.

Hans

Kuko 4000 · 20th November 2009, 07:13 AM

Hans, yep, that's pretty much how I've understood types 1 and 2 diabetes to be. I just don't know the details.

wilks · 20th November 2009, 07:39 AM

Originally Posted by Capsid

Read up about the different types of diabetes. Type I is where you need regular insulin injections. Type II can easily be controlled by diet.

Type 2 diabetes tends to be a progressive illness.
To begin with it may be controllable by diet and exercise but many people with Type 2 eventually need medication and even insulin treatment.

Terry · 20th November 2009, 08:29 AM

Originally Posted by Capsid

Type II can easily be controlled by diet.

Beg to differ. It's a progressive disease, what worked fine when a person was 30 isn't necessarily as effective when they're 45.

ETA: darn you, wilks, for typing faster than me! Hmm... or being awake earlier. Must read thread to end before responding...

macdoc · 20th November 2009, 11:41 AM

Both diseases ( I don't like that term as implies outside agents ) are auto-immune.
It's a muck up of your body internal checks and balances. Insulin reponse/resistance is extremely complex.

Type 2 will vary widely with age, weight, exercise and diet and even mood.
1 in 8 New York City adults are diabetic - ( type 2 ) and there are likely thousands that do not know it.

Type one - you take insulin or die.

There are some cures - experimental at the moment for Type - one mainly introducing Islets from pigs with human genes ( don't ask ) and then wrapping the islets in a coating that prevents rejection.

There is stem cell work also showing promise for Type One.

Some people are genetically inclined ( some sub populations hugely so - SW native Americans some tribes are 50% diabetic as adults

).

It IS life style but not always life style. ( ie pregnancy and genetic predisposition )

I should be prone given life style but I'm not. My son IS type one despite no history in the family.

If the DVD gets anyone to shift to a controlled non-drug regime for type two then who cares how they get there.

wilks · 20th November 2009, 12:41 PM

[quote=macdoc;5330299]Both diseases ( I don't like that term as implies outside agents ) are auto-immune.

Type 2 autoimmune? Surely not?
Unless you know something I don't (my son is Type 1 which is the type I know most about) - I'm happy to be corrected.

fls · 20th November 2009, 01:01 PM

Originally Posted by Kuko 4000

So, homeopaths, spiritual leaders and Woody Harrelson have found a way to cure diabetes. I'm still waiting to see their study in more detail.

Wow. What an expected result.

I like how woos, in utter ignorance, treat a fact that is new unto them as though it is new unto the world.

Linda

macdoc · 20th November 2009, 01:15 PM

You are being somewhat unfair in that approach.

What they are fighting and rightly so is the tendency for the American health system to prescribe drugs in stead of life style changes.

The message is you don't NEED drugs to control type II diabetes in many cases.

THAT IS news to some with type II tho it should not be.

You make the same mistake as I've seen time and again thinking that everything mainstream - drugs and mistakes and all is fine and toss alternatives out in the trash.

Mainstream cures, mainstream kills as well....on a massive scale.

The same skepticism you apply to stuff like homeopathy - which is garbage needs to be applied to programs like stuffong ADD meds down teen boys throats.
In the former case, little harm is done except the mark has a lighter pocket.
In the latter case the mark has a lighter pocket and a messed up kid.

Chronic conditions are often favourably treated sans drugs or surgery ( back problems ) entirely and childbirth often better sans doctors in the delivery room instead of eager surgeons with C section gleam in their eye.

The FIRST approach to type 2 should be lifestyle - only then drugs.
Best of all worlds - medicine covers both. Once in a while it does.
But big pharma likes pushing tho little white expensive pills.

fls · 20th November 2009, 01:35 PM

Originally Posted by macdoc

You are being somewhat unfair in that approach.

What they are fighting and rightly so is the tendency for the American health system to prescribe drugs in stead of life style changes.

Except this requires them and you and their audience to practice willful ignorance. You must remain willfully ignorant of the recommended first line treatment for type II diabetes.

Quote:

The message is you don't NEED drugs to control type II diabetes in many cases.

Exactly. This is only a revelation to the ignorant.

Quote:

You make the same mistake as I've seen time and again thinking that everything mainstream - drugs and mistakes and all is fine and toss alternatives out in the trash.

I am simply pointing out that there is nothing "alternative" about the main treatment that medicine uses in the treatment of diabetes.

Linda

Capsid · 20th November 2009, 02:48 PM

So if it's for education of the ignorant, why charge $30 for the DVD?

Epok · 20th November 2009, 03:36 PM

I like how Woody Harrelson says "Doctors, probably, a lot of 'em aren't even aware of that one of the big maxims from Hippocrates, the father of modern medicine, was "Let food be thy medicine, medicine be thy food". I'm sure that would give quite a few doctors a good chuckle. I'm pretty sure that most doctors know way more about Hippocrates than Woody "Pass Me That Doob" Harrelson does.

Kuko 4000 · 11th January 2010, 03:00 AM

Well, I watched the whole movie, and as I suspected, they definitely gave the impression that you can cure Type 1 diabetes with their diet, "despite what other doctors are telling you". There was a text at the end of the movie that probably frees the production crew from any responsibility.

EDIT: In all fairness, they were honest enough to show that one of the "patients" started to feel so bad that he had to quit the program because they encouraged him not to take his medicine, which he had a lot. One Type 1 patient tried to hang on, but eventually had to use his insulin shot. In the end, they found out that one of the patients who was thought to be Type 2 diabetic, and was cured with their program, was actually a Type 1 diabetic, I don't remember anymore how they said they found this out, but it involved a visit to the doctor and looking through some data.

20th November 2009, 02:39 AM	#2
macdoc Master Poster Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Planet earth on slow boil Posts: 2,616	I guess you don't know too much about Type 2 diabetes..not even enough to put it in the topic post. There is little or no woo about this...they are simply managing their glycemic food intake in a way to control their need for supplemental insulin. http://www.annecollins.com/weight-co...2-diabetes.htm The "organic" aspect is mostly nonsense but the rest is nothing new at all. No "magic" there, tho not so easy to maintain. Not sure at all what you are on about.
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20th November 2009, 03:17 AM	#3
Kuko 4000 Muse Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Finland Posts: 875	Originally Posted by macdoc I guess you don't know too much about Type 2 diabetes..not even enough to put it in the topic post. There is little or no woo about this...they are simply managing their glycemic food intake in a way to control their need for supplemental insulin. http://www.annecollins.com/weight-co...2-diabetes.htm The "organic" aspect is mostly nonsense but the rest is nothing new at all. No "magic" there, tho not so easy to maintain. Not sure at all what you are on about. The clip dramatically opens up with this quote: "The diabetes is a chronic disease that has no cure." The clip talks about reversing diabetes, closer to the end the homeopath says "we can consider you're cured of diabetes" followed by applause. The clip also suggested they had discovered something new. The doctor seemed impressed ("how do we ship all my patients to Arizona"). I smelled woo. But you are correct, I know next to nothing about diabetes. My next step is to try and watch the whole film...
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20th November 2009, 04:36 AM	#4
Capsid Graduate Poster Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 1,127	Read up about the different types of diabetes. Type I is where you need regular insulin injections. Type II can easily be controlled by diet.
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20th November 2009, 04:54 AM	#5
Kuko 4000 Muse Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Finland Posts: 875	Capsid, I don't know much about Diabetes but I do know that. I didn't know reversing let alone curing type 2 diabetes is the same as controlling it. Am I overreacting to this clip by calling it woo? Edit: in fact, there's type 2 diabetes in my family...
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20th November 2009, 05:22 AM	#6
MrQhuest Scholar Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 100	Type II can be caused simply by obesity. It can be controlled with diet and sometimes cured simply by losing weight. Same with pregnancy induced diabetes. Without watching the video, I think it is misleading for anyone to say "we can cure diabetes," without specifically stating what type they are talking about. MrQ
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20th November 2009, 05:40 AM	#7
Gagglegnash Graduate Poster Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 1,413	Hi Type II can be caused simply by obesity. It can be cont.... D'OH! (_8(\|) Beat me to it. I lost 40 Lbs. and my blood sugar's been normal ever since.
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20th November 2009, 05:51 AM	#8
Kuko 4000 Muse Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Finland Posts: 875	Originally Posted by MrQhuest Type II can be caused simply by obesity. It can be controlled with diet and sometimes cured simply by losing weight. Same with pregnancy induced diabetes. Without watching the video, I think it is misleading for anyone to say "we can cure diabetes," without specifically stating what type they are talking about. MrQ Well, in the beginning, the clip makes a big fuss about diabetes being a disease that cannot be cured, then it shows a homeopath declaring that they have cured a patient from diabetes (I guess in 30 days as the title of the movie suggests). It could just be a case of misleading the audience (which is woo as well in my books), but I'm gonna have to see the whole film before making any bigger judgements. Smells bad to me. In any case, I didn't even know that you can cure a type 2 diabetes, let alone in 30 days. I have found some evidence from Wikipedia that suggest that (never really digged any deeper), but is it really a case of curing rather than controlling it?
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20th November 2009, 05:55 AM	#9
Capsid Graduate Poster Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 1,127	Originally Posted by Kuko 4000 Capsid, I don't know much about Diabetes but I do know that. I didn't know reversing let alone curing type 2 diabetes is the same as controlling it. Am I overreacting to this clip by calling it woo? Edit: in fact, there's type 2 diabetes in my family... It is incorrect to use the term cure. Type I is a loss of islet cells in the pancreas, the only way to cure that might be to implant stem cells in the pancreas. Type II diabetes is caused by the body's insensitivity to insulin. It's woo if you think that a raw food diet is the only way to treat type II diabetes. Pharmaceuticalised? That made me giggle. And the study was done on 6 people. Hardly a rigorous study. If they are cured then they can return to their original diets and lifestyle. I sincerely doubt that happened. They are very economical with the details too. The only way to find out the details is to buy the DVD ($30), what a surprise!
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20th November 2009, 06:00 AM	#10
Kuko 4000 Muse Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Finland Posts: 875	Originally Posted by Capsid The only way to find out the details is to buy the DVD ($30), what a surprise! Or you can click the spoiler in my og post
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20th November 2009, 06:37 AM	#11
Capsid Graduate Poster Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 1,127	Originally Posted by Kuko 4000 Or you can click the spoiler in my og post Sorry, couldn't bring myself to watch the whole vid.
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20th November 2009, 07:06 AM	#12
MRC_Hans Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: N55.47'36" E12.30'21" Posts: 10,485	Originally Posted by Kuko 4000 Capsid, I don't know much about Diabetes but I do know that. I didn't know reversing let alone curing type 2 diabetes is the same as controlling it. Am I overreacting to this clip by calling it woo? Edit: in fact, there's type 2 diabetes in my family... Let's get a few things straight, here. Type 1 diabetes is insulin deficiency. The body produces insufficient insulin, often no insulin at all. There is research going on, but as of yet it is incurable, and can only be managed in a satisfactory way by insulin injections. Type 2 diabetes is insulin resistance. At least in the early stages, the body produces plenty of insulin, but the body cells have reduced sensitivity. Type 2 is a lifestyle disease, and while there is a genetic vector (some get it easier than others), the main causes are overweight, lack of exercise, high fat and sugar diet, smoking. The root cause is yet unknown. Type 2 is partly reversible, in that medicine, weight loss, appropriate diet, smoke stop, exercise, can increase the insulin sensitivity, often to a oint where the patient becomes symptom free and medicine independent for many years, sometimes for the rest of their lives. These are the cases that are called 'cured' by homeopaths ets. However, it is important to know that the disease is only dormant; any fall-back to old habits will bring it on again. There are some special types of diabetes, for instance pregnancy diabetes, which is usually self-limiting; after birth, the disease will disappear, although leaving a strong risk of reoccurrence. After strong trauma, patients may also develop a temporary diabetes. One type of insulin resistance, in its symptoms indistinguishable from ordinary type 2 is triggered by malnutrition. Hans
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20th November 2009, 07:13 AM	#13
Kuko 4000 Muse Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Finland Posts: 875	Hans, yep, that's pretty much how I've understood types 1 and 2 diabetes to be. I just don't know the details.
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20th November 2009, 07:39 AM	#14
wilks Scholar Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 72	Originally Posted by Capsid Read up about the different types of diabetes. Type I is where you need regular insulin injections. Type II can easily be controlled by diet. Type 2 diabetes tends to be a progressive illness. To begin with it may be controllable by diet and exercise but many people with Type 2 eventually need medication and even insulin treatment.
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20th November 2009, 08:29 AM	#15
Terry Zeitgeist-impaired Technical Moderator Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: logged in to the server Posts: 6,374	Originally Posted by Capsid Type II can easily be controlled by diet. Beg to differ. It's a progressive disease, what worked fine when a person was 30 isn't necessarily as effective when they're 45. ETA: darn you, wilks, for typing faster than me! Hmm... or being awake earlier. Must read thread to end before responding...
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20th November 2009, 11:41 AM	#16
macdoc Master Poster Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Planet earth on slow boil Posts: 2,616	Both diseases ( I don't like that term as implies outside agents ) are auto-immune. It's a muck up of your body internal checks and balances. Insulin reponse/resistance is extremely complex. Type 2 will vary widely with age, weight, exercise and diet and even mood. 1 in 8 New York City adults are diabetic - ( type 2 ) and there are likely thousands that do not know it. Type one - you take insulin or die. There are some cures - experimental at the moment for Type - one mainly introducing Islets from pigs with human genes ( don't ask ) and then wrapping the islets in a coating that prevents rejection. There is stem cell work also showing promise for Type One. Some people are genetically inclined ( some sub populations hugely so - SW native Americans some tribes are 50% diabetic as adults ). It IS life style but not always life style. ( ie pregnancy and genetic predisposition ) I should be prone given life style but I'm not. My son IS type one despite no history in the family. If the DVD gets anyone to shift to a controlled non-drug regime for type two then who cares how they get there.
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20th November 2009, 12:41 PM	#17
wilks Scholar Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 72	[quote=macdoc;5330299]Both diseases ( I don't like that term as implies outside agents ) are auto-immune. Type 2 autoimmune? Surely not? Unless you know something I don't (my son is Type 1 which is the type I know most about) - I'm happy to be corrected.
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20th November 2009, 01:01 PM	#18
fls Philosopher Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,052	Originally Posted by Kuko 4000 So, homeopaths, spiritual leaders and Woody Harrelson have found a way to cure diabetes. I'm still waiting to see their study in more detail. Wow. What an expected result. I like how woos, in utter ignorance, treat a fact that is new unto them as though it is new unto the world. Linda
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20th November 2009, 01:15 PM	#19
macdoc Master Poster Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Planet earth on slow boil Posts: 2,616	You are being somewhat unfair in that approach. What they are fighting and rightly so is the tendency for the American health system to prescribe drugs in stead of life style changes. The message is you don't NEED drugs to control type II diabetes in many cases. THAT IS news to some with type II tho it should not be. You make the same mistake as I've seen time and again thinking that everything mainstream - drugs and mistakes and all is fine and toss alternatives out in the trash. Mainstream cures, mainstream kills as well....on a massive scale. The same skepticism you apply to stuff like homeopathy - which is garbage needs to be applied to programs like stuffong ADD meds down teen boys throats. In the former case, little harm is done except the mark has a lighter pocket. In the latter case the mark has a lighter pocket and a messed up kid. Chronic conditions are often favourably treated sans drugs or surgery ( back problems ) entirely and childbirth often better sans doctors in the delivery room instead of eager surgeons with C section gleam in their eye. The FIRST approach to type 2 should be lifestyle - only then drugs. Best of all worlds - medicine covers both. Once in a while it does. But big pharma likes pushing tho little white expensive pills.
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20th November 2009, 01:35 PM	#20
fls Philosopher Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,052	Originally Posted by macdoc You are being somewhat unfair in that approach. What they are fighting and rightly so is the tendency for the American health system to prescribe drugs in stead of life style changes. Except this requires them and you and their audience to practice willful ignorance. You must remain willfully ignorant of the recommended first line treatment for type II diabetes. Quote: The message is you don't NEED drugs to control type II diabetes in many cases. Exactly. This is only a revelation to the ignorant. Quote: You make the same mistake as I've seen time and again thinking that everything mainstream - drugs and mistakes and all is fine and toss alternatives out in the trash. I am simply pointing out that there is nothing "alternative" about the main treatment that medicine uses in the treatment of diabetes. Linda
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20th November 2009, 02:48 PM	#21
Capsid Graduate Poster Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 1,127	So if it's for education of the ignorant, why charge $30 for the DVD?
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20th November 2009, 03:36 PM	#22
Epok Thinker Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Birmingham, Al Posts: 184	I like how Woody Harrelson says "Doctors, probably, a lot of 'em aren't even aware of that one of the big maxims from Hippocrates, the father of modern medicine, was "Let food be thy medicine, medicine be thy food". I'm sure that would give quite a few doctors a good chuckle. I'm pretty sure that most doctors know way more about Hippocrates than Woody "Pass Me That Doob" Harrelson does.
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11th January 2010, 03:00 AM	#23
Kuko 4000 Muse Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Finland Posts: 875	Well, I watched the whole movie, and as I suspected, they definitely gave the impression that you can cure Type 1 diabetes with their diet, "despite what other doctors are telling you". There was a text at the end of the movie that probably frees the production crew from any responsibility. EDIT: In all fairness, they were honest enough to show that one of the "patients" started to feel so bad that he had to quit the program because they encouraged him not to take his medicine, which he had a lot. One Type 1 patient tried to hang on, but eventually had to use his insulin shot. In the end, they found out that one of the patients who was thought to be Type 2 diabetic, and was cured with their program, was actually a Type 1 diabetic, I don't remember anymore how they said they found this out, but it involved a visit to the doctor and looking through some data.
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