Gerry and Kate Mccann

silver birch · 22nd November 2009, 08:01 AM

http://badpsychics.co.uk/thefraudfil...hp?storyid=542

fls · 22nd November 2009, 08:15 AM

Actually, if you have something to hide, then who are you going to hire to help find the 'real' perpetrator - a skilled investigator or a couple of blokes who have an established track record of failure?

Linda

Carnivore · 22nd November 2009, 08:58 AM

Originally Posted by fls

Actually, if you have something to hide, then who are you going to hire to help find the 'real' perpetrator - a skilled investigator or a couple of blokes who have an established track record of failure?

Linda

From Wikipedia

Quote:

At least five firms of private investigators have been engaged to make enquiries. At the end of May 2007 the McCanns hired Control Risks Group.[140] It was announced on 29 September that tycoon Brian Kennedy was paying for private investigators to search in Morocco.[67] Spanish agency Método 3 were engaged with the enquiries lead by Francisco Marco.[141] It was disclosed in January 2008 that Hogan International, headed by Noel Hogan, former Metropolitan Police Detective Superintendent, was carrying out a cold case review, in conjunction with Método 3.[142] US-based investigation firm Oakley International was hired for six months in 2008 but it was decided in August not to renew their contract. Brian Kennedy, who underwrites the Fund, thought that their fees of around £500,000 were not value for money.[143] In November 2009 Oakley International owner Kevin Halligen was reported to be on the run from the FBI for a number of frauds including pocketing £300,000 from the McCann fund.[144] Another, unnamed, US organisation was engaged in August 2008, also on a £500,000 six-month contract, to lead the investigation. Método 3 were to continue to follow up information from Spain and Portugal.[145]

Former police detectives David Edgar and Arthur Crowley have been following up leads in Spain and Germany over the past year while working for the McCanns.

silver birch · 22nd November 2009, 09:25 AM

thats a lot of money. how much will Colin Fry make out of it? anyway it will give him some more publicity to add to the crap on theatre websites.

sophia8 · 22nd November 2009, 09:50 AM

Originally Posted by silver birch

http://badpsychics.co.uk/thefraudfil...hp?storyid=542

Hint: try using the search function on here before you post a 2-year old non-story.
The McCanns did not approach a psychic.

Marduk · 22nd November 2009, 10:00 AM

Originally Posted by sophia8

Hint: try using the search function on here before you post a 2-year old non-story.
The McCanns did not approach a psychic.

well it'd be pointless anyway, if Gods representative on Earth couldn't find her no one can
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/6701819.stm

silver birch · 22nd November 2009, 04:31 PM

Originally Posted by sophia8

Hint: try using the search function on here before you post a 2-year old non-story.
The McCanns did not approach a psychic.

it gives the source as the People newspaper on the badpsychics site.

Carnivore · 22nd November 2009, 04:43 PM

Originally Posted by silver birch

it gives the source as the People newspaper on the badpsychics site.

This People newspaper?

I hadn't heard of it before but a quick look doesn't inspire confidence. Current top news section headline:

Quote:

ALEX REID AND PALS FEAR FOR JORDAN'S SANITY IN JUNGLE
Jordan's lover Alex Reid last night flew to Australia for an emotional reunion with his girlfriend after she sobbed: "I'm cracking up, I never realised how cruel the British public could be."

(For those unacquainted with the people and events reported in this paper's top story it refers to a former British glamour model taking part in a reality TV show.)

St.Michael · 22nd November 2009, 05:45 PM

This story is back again today 22 Nov 2009!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...ther-side.html

Joe Power is the guy making the claim but the story ends on such a stupid note:

Quote:

In 2006, during the manhunt for the killer of Miss Bowman, who was stabbed to death near her home in Croydon, south London, Mr Power said he had been “visited” by the victim.
In a newspaper interview he said he had a possible name for the killer of Stephan or Stephen White, and said that he could have been a delivery driver aged between 24 and 26.
The Met would again not discuss whether or not Mr Power's tips had been followed up.

The killer was eventually caught through his DNA - Mark Dixie, 38, a chef, was found guilty of Miss Bowman’s murder last year.

So the "ghost" of Miss Bowman got the NAME, AGE and OCCUPATION of the killer totally wrong. Not likely to fill the Police or McCann family with confidence is it?

chran · 23rd November 2009, 02:42 AM

I'm sorry, but Madeleine McCann is dead. Either she was hurt more than usual during "special play time" with Daddy, or she OD'ed on the tranquilizers her parents were giving her to keep her quiet during their partying away from the children.

Rocko · 23rd November 2009, 03:46 PM

Originally Posted by chran

I'm sorry, but Madeleine McCann is dead. Either she was hurt more than usual during "special play time" with Daddy, or she OD'ed on the tranquilizers her parents were giving her to keep her quiet during their partying away from the children.

Jesus christ. What a deeply unpleasant post.

Marduk · 23rd November 2009, 03:56 PM

Originally Posted by Rocko

Jesus christ. What a deeply unpleasant post.

true, but I expect the vast majority of people have thought of it at some point

shandyjan · 24th November 2009, 05:44 PM

Originally Posted by Marduk

true, but I expect the vast majority of people have thought of it at some point

I havnt. I believe innocent until proved guilty.It's all hearsay, I havnt seen anything tthat makes them look guilty. Nothing more unpleasant that folks who know it all...look at the conspiracy boards.

silver birch · 25th November 2009, 01:37 AM

remember 'the dingo baby case' in australia'? a woman whose baby disappeared was convicted and sent to jail. her defense was a dingo ran off with her baby. this was not accepted, until, one day a hiker came across some of the babies clothing in the bush. this resulted in her release.

P.J. Denyer · 25th November 2009, 02:58 AM

Originally Posted by Rocko

Jesus christ. What a deeply unpleasant post.

It's a deeply unpleasant subject, whether you believe she was killed by her parents or you 'just' believe that she was taken by a peodophile from a unlocked appartment in which her parents had left her and her siblings unattended while they when off for the evening. Neither interpretation makes them parents of the year.

sophia8 · 25th November 2009, 03:40 AM

Originally Posted by P.J. Denyer

It's a deeply unpleasant subject, whether you believe she was killed by her parents or you 'just' believe that she was taken by a peodophile from a unlocked appartment in which her parents had left her and her siblings unattended while they when off for the evening. Neither interpretation makes them parents of the year.

The apartment was locked; the intruder got through a window. And if you think that leaving your sleeping kids unattended and unchecked for an hour makes you a bad parent - well, the whole world is full of bad parents.

Damien Evans · 25th November 2009, 04:14 AM

Originally Posted by silver birch

remember 'the dingo baby case' in australia'? a woman whose baby disappeared was convicted and sent to jail. her defense was a dingo ran off with her baby. this was not accepted, until, one day a hiker came across some of the babies clothing in the bush. this resulted in her release.

Lindy and Michael Chamberlain. That case is a blight on the Northern Territory, and, indeed, federal legal system.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azaria_..._disappearance

P.J. Denyer · 25th November 2009, 04:16 AM

Originally Posted by fls

Actually, if you have something to hide, then who are you going to hire to help find the 'real' perpetrator - a skilled investigator or a couple of blokes who have an established track record of failure?

Linda

Or you can hire credible investigators to follow up 'sightings' in unconnected countries

P.J. Denyer · 25th November 2009, 04:24 AM

Originally Posted by sophia8

The apartment was locked; the intruder got through a window. And if you think that leaving your sleeping kids unattended and unchecked for an hour makes you a bad parent - well, the whole world is full of bad parents.

No, the apartment was unlocked (and ground floor) and while you may not think that leaving children as young as 2 and 3 years old unattended so you can go for a meal is 'bad parenting', I do. Incidentally it was one hour thirty by the time the evening was cut short by her disappearance.

Pixel42 · 25th November 2009, 04:29 AM

Originally Posted by sophia8

The apartment was locked; the intruder got through a window.

The parents admitted they left the apartment unlocked.

If we accept the parents' story then I've always thought that the likeliest explanation is that Madeleine woke up, found the door unlocked and her parents missing, and wandered off into the night in search of them. And was unlucky enough to encounter an opportunist.

scarlettinlondon · 25th November 2009, 05:49 AM

Originally Posted by Pixel42

The parents admitted they left the apartment unlocked.

If we accept the parents' story then I've always thought that the likeliest explanation is that Madeleine woke up, found the door unlocked and her parents missing, and wandered off into the night in search of them. And was unlucky enough to encounter an opportunist.

I've never thought this was right. Partly because there are just not very many paedophile opportunisits about. The VAST majority of adults wandering around that night would have scooped her up and taken her straight to the hotel.

I have thought it much more likely that the hotel was a target, that flat was a target (because of easy access) and the McCanns were unlucky enoughto be allocated that particular apartment.

As to wandering off, most children when finding they are alone put the covers over their head and cry. It would be an less usual child who would wander about. Bed is 'safe', the dark apartment, let alone the dark outdoors doesn't feel safe to a small child.

P.J. Denyer · 25th November 2009, 06:16 AM

Originally Posted by scarlettinlondon

I've never thought this was right. Partly because there are just not very many paedophile opportunisits about. The VAST majority of adults wandering around that night would have scooped her up and taken her straight to the hotel.

I have thought it much more likely that the hotel was a target, that flat was a target (because of easy access) and the McCanns were unlucky enoughto be allocated that particular apartment.

As to wandering off, most children when finding they are alone put the covers over their head and cry. It would be an less usual child who would wander about. Bed is 'safe', the dark apartment, let alone the dark outdoors doesn't feel safe to a small child.

To be honest is it really that more likely that a peodophile would happen to be scoping the hotel at the time that they happened to be going out and leaving the apartment unlocked and unattended? How would they know that the children were in there or that the door was unlocked? Why leave the other two children? It's certainly not impossible (neither is) but it doesn't strike me as much more likely.

I'm not so sure about your thought that a child wouldn't wander, she's in a relatively unfamilier place, at night and her parents aren't responding. These could be quite traumatic circumstances and I wouldn't want to bet she'd have stayed there.

Carnivore · 26th November 2009, 06:09 PM

Originally Posted by P.J. Denyer

To be honest is it really that more likely that a peodophile would happen to be scoping the hotel at the time that they happened to be going out and leaving the apartment unlocked and unattended? How would they know that the children were in there or that the door was unlocked? Why leave the other two children? It's certainly not impossible (neither is) but it doesn't strike me as much more likely.

Actually several witnesses (both visitors and locals) saw a man apparently watching the apartment and behaving oddly in the days before Madeleine's disappearance. The layout of the building meant that the approaches to the McCann's apartment had good cover from view after dark.

P.J. Denyer · 27th November 2009, 03:47 AM

Originally Posted by Carnivore

Actually several witnesses (both visitors and locals) saw a man apparently watching the apartment and behaving oddly in the days before Madeleine's disappearance. The layout of the building meant that the approaches to the McCann's apartment had good cover from view after dark.

I don't deny it's possible, however there is physical evidence pointing in another direction. At the time huge numbers of witness statements were being taken and everyone was desperate to think of anything that might help. 'Acting suspiciously' could have a lot of other innocent explainations and I think it is significant that people seemed to 'remember' things quite a long time after the actual event as the media coverage increased. Many of the 'leads' given coverage in the papers were weak to non existant (I seem to remember one being publicised about a company that claimed to have detected her DNA by satelite!).

We will probably never know the truth unless she is found, alive or dead.

22nd November 2009, 08:01 AM	#1
silver birch Scholar Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 58	Gerry and Kate Mccann http://badpsychics.co.uk/thefraudfil...hp?storyid=542
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22nd November 2009, 08:15 AM	#2
fls Philosopher Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,050	Actually, if you have something to hide, then who are you going to hire to help find the 'real' perpetrator - a skilled investigator or a couple of blokes who have an established track record of failure? Linda
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22nd November 2009, 09:25 AM	#4
silver birch Scholar Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 58	thats a lot of money. how much will Colin Fry make out of it? anyway it will give him some more publicity to add to the crap on theatre websites.
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22nd November 2009, 09:50 AM	#5
sophia8 Graduate Poster Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Scottishland Posts: 1,697	Originally Posted by silver birch http://badpsychics.co.uk/thefraudfil...hp?storyid=542 Hint: try using the search function on here before you post a 2-year old non-story. The McCanns did not approach a psychic.
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22nd November 2009, 10:00 AM	#6
Marduk Dragon Killer Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Newbury, Berkshire Posts: 3,073	Originally Posted by sophia8 Hint: try using the search function on here before you post a 2-year old non-story. The McCanns did not approach a psychic. well it'd be pointless anyway, if Gods representative on Earth couldn't find her no one can http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/6701819.stm
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22nd November 2009, 08:58 AM	#3
Carnivore Muse Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Manchester UK Posts: 581	Originally Posted by fls Actually, if you have something to hide, then who are you going to hire to help find the 'real' perpetrator - a skilled investigator or a couple of blokes who have an established track record of failure? Linda From Wikipedia Quote: At least five firms of private investigators have been engaged to make enquiries. At the end of May 2007 the McCanns hired Control Risks Group.[140] It was announced on 29 September that tycoon Brian Kennedy was paying for private investigators to search in Morocco.[67] Spanish agency Método 3 were engaged with the enquiries lead by Francisco Marco.[141] It was disclosed in January 2008 that Hogan International, headed by Noel Hogan, former Metropolitan Police Detective Superintendent, was carrying out a cold case review, in conjunction with Método 3.[142] US-based investigation firm Oakley International was hired for six months in 2008 but it was decided in August not to renew their contract. Brian Kennedy, who underwrites the Fund, thought that their fees of around £500,000 were not value for money.[143] In November 2009 Oakley International owner Kevin Halligen was reported to be on the run from the FBI for a number of frauds including pocketing £300,000 from the McCann fund.[144] Another, unnamed, US organisation was engaged in August 2008, also on a £500,000 six-month contract, to lead the investigation. Método 3 were to continue to follow up information from Spain and Portugal.[145] Former police detectives David Edgar and Arthur Crowley have been following up leads in Spain and Germany over the past year while working for the McCanns.

22nd November 2009, 04:31 PM	#7
silver birch Scholar Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 58	Originally Posted by sophia8 Hint: try using the search function on here before you post a 2-year old non-story. The McCanns did not approach a psychic. it gives the source as the People newspaper on the badpsychics site.
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22nd November 2009, 04:43 PM	#8
Carnivore Muse Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Manchester UK Posts: 581	Originally Posted by silver birch it gives the source as the People newspaper on the badpsychics site. This People newspaper? I hadn't heard of it before but a quick look doesn't inspire confidence. Current top news section headline: Quote: ALEX REID AND PALS FEAR FOR JORDAN'S SANITY IN JUNGLE Jordan's lover Alex Reid last night flew to Australia for an emotional reunion with his girlfriend after she sobbed: "I'm cracking up, I never realised how cruel the British public could be." (For those unacquainted with the people and events reported in this paper's top story it refers to a former British glamour model taking part in a reality TV show.)

22nd November 2009, 05:45 PM	#9
St.Michael Scholar Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 95	This story is back again today 22 Nov 2009! http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...ther-side.html Joe Power is the guy making the claim but the story ends on such a stupid note: Quote: In 2006, during the manhunt for the killer of Miss Bowman, who was stabbed to death near her home in Croydon, south London, Mr Power said he had been “visited” by the victim. In a newspaper interview he said he had a possible name for the killer of Stephan or Stephen White, and said that he could have been a delivery driver aged between 24 and 26. The Met would again not discuss whether or not Mr Power's tips had been followed up. The killer was eventually caught through his DNA - Mark Dixie, 38, a chef, was found guilty of Miss Bowman’s murder last year. So the "ghost" of Miss Bowman got the NAME, AGE and OCCUPATION of the killer totally wrong. Not likely to fill the Police or McCann family with confidence is it?
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23rd November 2009, 02:42 AM	#10
chran Muse Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Denmark, yo Posts: 589	I'm sorry, but Madeleine McCann is dead. Either she was hurt more than usual during "special play time" with Daddy, or she OD'ed on the tranquilizers her parents were giving her to keep her quiet during their partying away from the children.

23rd November 2009, 03:46 PM	#11
Rocko Thinker Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 189	Originally Posted by chran I'm sorry, but Madeleine McCann is dead. Either she was hurt more than usual during "special play time" with Daddy, or she OD'ed on the tranquilizers her parents were giving her to keep her quiet during their partying away from the children. Jesus christ. What a deeply unpleasant post.
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23rd November 2009, 03:56 PM	#12
Marduk Dragon Killer Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Newbury, Berkshire Posts: 3,073	Originally Posted by Rocko Jesus christ. What a deeply unpleasant post. true, but I expect the vast majority of people have thought of it at some point
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24th November 2009, 05:44 PM	#13
shandyjan Graduate Poster Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: N/W England Posts: 1,013	Originally Posted by Marduk true, but I expect the vast majority of people have thought of it at some point I havnt. I believe innocent until proved guilty.It's all hearsay, I havnt seen anything tthat makes them look guilty. Nothing more unpleasant that folks who know it all...look at the conspiracy boards.
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25th November 2009, 02:58 AM	#15
P.J. Denyer Thinker Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 180	Originally Posted by Rocko Jesus christ. What a deeply unpleasant post. It's a deeply unpleasant subject, whether you believe she was killed by her parents or you 'just' believe that she was taken by a peodophile from a unlocked appartment in which her parents had left her and her siblings unattended while they when off for the evening. Neither interpretation makes them parents of the year.
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25th November 2009, 03:40 AM	#16
sophia8 Graduate Poster Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Scottishland Posts: 1,697	Originally Posted by P.J. Denyer It's a deeply unpleasant subject, whether you believe she was killed by her parents or you 'just' believe that she was taken by a peodophile from a unlocked appartment in which her parents had left her and her siblings unattended while they when off for the evening. Neither interpretation makes them parents of the year. The apartment was locked; the intruder got through a window. And if you think that leaving your sleeping kids unattended and unchecked for an hour makes you a bad parent - well, the whole world is full of bad parents.
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25th November 2009, 04:14 AM	#17
Damien Evans Up The Irons Tagger Join Date: May 2007 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 11,681	Originally Posted by silver birch remember 'the dingo baby case' in australia'? a woman whose baby disappeared was convicted and sent to jail. her defense was a dingo ran off with her baby. this was not accepted, until, one day a hiker came across some of the babies clothing in the bush. this resulted in her release. Lindy and Michael Chamberlain. That case is a blight on the Northern Territory, and, indeed, federal legal system. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azaria_..._disappearance
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25th November 2009, 04:16 AM	#18
P.J. Denyer Thinker Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 180	Originally Posted by fls Actually, if you have something to hide, then who are you going to hire to help find the 'real' perpetrator - a skilled investigator or a couple of blokes who have an established track record of failure? Linda Or you can hire credible investigators to follow up 'sightings' in unconnected countries
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25th November 2009, 04:24 AM	#19
P.J. Denyer Thinker Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 180	Originally Posted by sophia8 The apartment was locked; the intruder got through a window. And if you think that leaving your sleeping kids unattended and unchecked for an hour makes you a bad parent - well, the whole world is full of bad parents. No, the apartment was unlocked (and ground floor) and while you may not think that leaving children as young as 2 and 3 years old unattended so you can go for a meal is 'bad parenting', I do. Incidentally it was one hour thirty by the time the evening was cut short by her disappearance.
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25th November 2009, 04:29 AM	#20
Pixel42 Graduate Poster Join Date: May 2004 Location: Wiltshire, UK Posts: 1,345	Originally Posted by sophia8 The apartment was locked; the intruder got through a window. The parents admitted they left the apartment unlocked. If we accept the parents' story then I've always thought that the likeliest explanation is that Madeleine woke up, found the door unlocked and her parents missing, and wandered off into the night in search of them. And was unlucky enough to encounter an opportunist.

25th November 2009, 05:49 AM	#21
scarlettinlondon Scholar Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 78	Originally Posted by Pixel42 The parents admitted they left the apartment unlocked. If we accept the parents' story then I've always thought that the likeliest explanation is that Madeleine woke up, found the door unlocked and her parents missing, and wandered off into the night in search of them. And was unlucky enough to encounter an opportunist. I've never thought this was right. Partly because there are just not very many paedophile opportunisits about. The VAST majority of adults wandering around that night would have scooped her up and taken her straight to the hotel. I have thought it much more likely that the hotel was a target, that flat was a target (because of easy access) and the McCanns were unlucky enoughto be allocated that particular apartment. As to wandering off, most children when finding they are alone put the covers over their head and cry. It would be an less usual child who would wander about. Bed is 'safe', the dark apartment, let alone the dark outdoors doesn't feel safe to a small child.
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25th November 2009, 06:16 AM	#22
P.J. Denyer Thinker Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 180	Originally Posted by scarlettinlondon I've never thought this was right. Partly because there are just not very many paedophile opportunisits about. The VAST majority of adults wandering around that night would have scooped her up and taken her straight to the hotel. I have thought it much more likely that the hotel was a target, that flat was a target (because of easy access) and the McCanns were unlucky enoughto be allocated that particular apartment. As to wandering off, most children when finding they are alone put the covers over their head and cry. It would be an less usual child who would wander about. Bed is 'safe', the dark apartment, let alone the dark outdoors doesn't feel safe to a small child. To be honest is it really that more likely that a peodophile would happen to be scoping the hotel at the time that they happened to be going out and leaving the apartment unlocked and unattended? How would they know that the children were in there or that the door was unlocked? Why leave the other two children? It's certainly not impossible (neither is) but it doesn't strike me as much more likely. I'm not so sure about your thought that a child wouldn't wander, she's in a relatively unfamilier place, at night and her parents aren't responding. These could be quite traumatic circumstances and I wouldn't want to bet she'd have stayed there.
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26th November 2009, 06:09 PM	#23
Carnivore Muse Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Manchester UK Posts: 581	Originally Posted by P.J. Denyer To be honest is it really that more likely that a peodophile would happen to be scoping the hotel at the time that they happened to be going out and leaving the apartment unlocked and unattended? How would they know that the children were in there or that the door was unlocked? Why leave the other two children? It's certainly not impossible (neither is) but it doesn't strike me as much more likely. Actually several witnesses (both visitors and locals) saw a man apparently watching the apartment and behaving oddly in the days before Madeleine's disappearance. The layout of the building meant that the approaches to the McCann's apartment had good cover from view after dark.

27th November 2009, 03:47 AM	#24
P.J. Denyer Thinker Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 180	Originally Posted by Carnivore Actually several witnesses (both visitors and locals) saw a man apparently watching the apartment and behaving oddly in the days before Madeleine's disappearance. The layout of the building meant that the approaches to the McCann's apartment had good cover from view after dark. I don't deny it's possible, however there is physical evidence pointing in another direction. At the time huge numbers of witness statements were being taken and everyone was desperate to think of anything that might help. 'Acting suspiciously' could have a lot of other innocent explainations and I think it is significant that people seemed to 'remember' things quite a long time after the actual event as the media coverage increased. Many of the 'leads' given coverage in the papers were weak to non existant (I seem to remember one being publicised about a company that claimed to have detected her DNA by satelite!). We will probably never know the truth unless she is found, alive or dead.
P.J. Denyer Thinker Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 180