Black Holes: The Liberal/Atheist Conspiracy!

Mark A. Siefert · 26th November 2009, 01:01 PM

Not sure whether this belonged in SMMT, R&P, Politics, or humor:

Recently, Andrew Schlafly, son on anti-feminist harpy Phyllis, creators of Conseravapedia, purger of "liberal bias" from scripture, an harasser of biologists, spake the following:

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There's a broader point here. Why the big push for black holes by liberals, and big protests against any objection to them? If it turned out empirically that promoting black holes tends to cause people to read the Bible less, would you still push this so much?

I'm speechless! The public's acceptance of Schlafly's particular brand of superstition and politics is more important than actual, testable reality? It doesn't matter if evolution or cosmology is true, all that matters is that people believe in Jeez-us and vote Republican!

Sledge · 26th November 2009, 01:12 PM

My mind, she is blown. I'm staggered beyond the capacity for rational response.

quadraginta · 26th November 2009, 01:19 PM

What "big push"?

What "big protest"?

Black holes are unchristian?

I missed that. I gotta get out more.

JFrankA · 26th November 2009, 01:33 PM

Originally Posted by quadraginta

What "big push"?

You know, those pinko commie liberal rational godless science type people!

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What "big protest"?

You know, those pinko commie liberal rational godless science type people say that the black hole is the most powerful thing in the universe when we know the most powerful thing in the universe is GOD.

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Black holes are unchristian?

Well. They are a deep hole where nothing, even light, escapes. That's hell!!!! No true Christian goes to hell!

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I missed that. I gotta get out more.

No no no no!!! Stay sheltered!!! That's the only way you can know that what I say is absolutely true!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

fromdownunder · 26th November 2009, 01:34 PM

The farce is strong in this one.

Norm

Mark A. Siefert · 26th November 2009, 02:00 PM

Apparently, it not just black holes that Andy has a religious/poltical problem with, but with relativity in general!

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Relativity predicts absurd physical discontinuities and it contradicts logic, the evidence, and the Bible. The biggest promoters of relativity today are more liberal than the Democratic Party, and that's saying a lot. Promoting relativity causes a great deal of harm in how people view the world, and has cost taxpayers hundreds of millions of dollars on fruitless projects like LIGO.

You've heard none of this before because liberals control universities and don't allow open discussion and debate about their pet theories. Perhaps you think man-made global warming is not a liberal theory either?--Andy Schlafly 19:20, 23 November 2009 (EST)

Apparently General/Special Relativity is code for MORAL RELATIVISM!!!!

Sledge · 26th November 2009, 02:04 PM

Physics is a liberal conspiracy. Just when you think idiots can't get anymore idiotic...

TimCallahan · 26th November 2009, 02:11 PM

I don't recall which fundie spokesman it was, but, whoever it was, he objected to the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle because God's creation can't be uncertain. Therefore, Schlafley's ignoramus assault on black holes isn't surprising. What is alarming is that people with such a flawed understanding of science are in a position, from time to time to influence everything from textbook selection by local school boards to determining the research funding of NASA.

Pure_Argent · 26th November 2009, 03:21 PM

Reality is a communist conspiracy.

MrQhuest · 26th November 2009, 03:44 PM

"Reality has a well known liberal bias." - Stephen Colbert, White House Correspondents' Association Dinner, 4/29/2006

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Redtail · 26th November 2009, 03:52 PM

Quite often, after reading/hearing a stunningly stupid post/statement, (usually in the CT forums) I say...

"The sheer density of the stupid in that post/statement has created a black hole somewhere in the universe."

Congrats Mr. Schlafly! You have created a quantum singularity!

Fiona · 26th November 2009, 04:15 PM

It is a joke. It has to be a joke. Doesn't it have to be a joke? Of course it is a joke! It is a joke.

*wanders off mumbling*

WhiteLion · 26th November 2009, 05:22 PM

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Relativity predicts absurd physical discontinuities

That's a whole lot of mouthful of bullcrap.

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and it contradicts logic

No it contradicts some peoples intuition, not the same thing.

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the evidence

Biblical evidence I take it?

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and the Bible.

Don't negate reality for not acting the way desert prophecies would have it.

Maia · 26th November 2009, 05:41 PM

Originally Posted by Mark A. Siefert

Not sure whether this belonged in SMMT, R&P, Politics, or humor:

Recently, Andrew Schlafly, son on anti-feminist harpy Phyllis, creators of Conseravapedia, purger of "liberal bias" from scripture, an harasser of biologists, spake the following:

I really want to see the context of this quote, because it looks as if it might be even crazier than the quote itself. There could be much additional entertainment to be had.

Tatyana · 26th November 2009, 08:31 PM

This is highly amusing as well.

I can't believe conservapedia even exists.

I don't get this non-falsifiable argument. If we see light from a star, then it is not a black hole. Any claim that it is a black hole is then falsified. Black hole theory says that a star becomes a black hole whenever its mass goes inside its Schwarzschild radius, it becomes a black hole. So if we ever find a star that emits light and has its mass inside its Schwarzschild radius, then the theory is falsified. RSchlafly 10:32, 28 July 2009 (EDT)

Mark A. Siefert · 26th November 2009, 09:05 PM

Originally Posted by Maia

I really want to see the context of this quote, because it looks as if it might be even crazier than the quote itself. There could be much additional entertainment to be had.

Here is the full quote...

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Mark cited Clifford Will's government-funded 2004 article on proof for General Relativity, but that paper is very "thin" and in a mere 15-minute review several weaknesses are apparent. But thanks for the citation, Mark.
This is a site where logic prevails. If you want to say that black holes are consistent with General Relativity (though rejected by Einstein), and General Relativity might be falsifiable (though tests will sufficient accuracy are difficult and expensive), that's fine. But black holes themselves, like life in outer space, are not falsifiable. It's basic logic, and that doesn't change whether all accept the logic or not.
There's a broader point here. Why the big push for black holes by liberals, and big protests against any objection to them? If it turned out empirically that promoting black holes tends to cause people to read the Bible less, would you still push this so much? Certainly there is no practical justification to pushing black holes; no one will ever be helped by them in any way.--Andy Schlafly 12:03, 13 November 2009 (EST)

Make of it what you will, but I can't see it in any "context" other than Schlafly being a Fascist, Bible-humping, anti-intellectual, slime ball.

Mark A. Siefert · 26th November 2009, 09:17 PM

Originally Posted by JFrankA

Well. They are a deep hole where nothing, even light, escapes. That's hell!!!! No true Christian goes to hell!

You do realize that the 1979 Disney movie The Black Hole wasn't a documentary?

Foster Zygote · 26th November 2009, 09:41 PM

Talk about a singularity of stupidity...

Hokulele · 26th November 2009, 09:43 PM

Infinite density.

Lucian · 26th November 2009, 10:51 PM

Originally Posted by Mark A. Siefert

Here is the full quote...

Make of it what you will, but I can't see it in any other "context" other than Schlafly being an Fascist, Bible-humping, anti-intellectual, slime ball.

You forgot "moronic."

TimCallahan · 29th November 2009, 05:21 PM

The following is from http://thedarwinreport.wordpress.com...y_creationist/

Stated by creationist and biblical inarrantist Allen Epling, former public school techer, speaking of the Heisenberg Uncertainty principle:

Many scientists firmly advocate a “certainty” that there is no God, in spite of believing ‘religiously’ in the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principal. In the forefront of today’s science is a body of evidence, catagorized[sic] as Quantum Mechanics, that makes clear that nothing in the entire universe is certain but is determined by a “probability factor”. Any scientist that is certain about anything is admitting hypocracy[sic] to his own field of study.

Response posted on that site:

All Heisenberg’s Uncertainty Principle states is that “the more precisely the POSITION [of a particle] is determined, the less precisely the MOMENTUM is known”. It has nothing to do with the general reliability of scientific evidence.

While the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle has to do with quantum mechanics, rather than relativity, the same misinterpretaion of a scientific principle shown by Andrew Schlafly in regard to relativity is evident here.

26th November 2009, 01:01 PM	#1
Mark A. Siefert Illuminator Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Muskego, WI. Posts: 3,169	Black Holes: The Liberal/Atheist Conspiracy! Not sure whether this belonged in SMMT, R&P, Politics, or humor: Recently, Andrew Schlafly, son on anti-feminist harpy Phyllis, creators of Conseravapedia, purger of "liberal bias" from scripture, an harasser of biologists, spake the following: Quote: There's a broader point here. Why the big push for black holes by liberals, and big protests against any objection to them? If it turned out empirically that promoting black holes tends to cause people to read the Bible less, would you still push this so much? I'm speechless! The public's acceptance of Schlafly's particular brand of superstition and politics is more important than actual, testable reality? It doesn't matter if evolution or cosmology is true, all that matters is that people believe in Jeez-us and vote Republican!
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26th November 2009, 01:12 PM	#2
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26th November 2009, 01:19 PM	#3
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26th November 2009, 01:33 PM	#4
JFrankA Master Poster Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Hartford, CT Posts: 2,327	Originally Posted by quadraginta What "big push"? You know, those pinko commie liberal rational godless science type people! Quote: What "big protest"? You know, those pinko commie liberal rational godless science type people say that the black hole is the most powerful thing in the universe when we know the most powerful thing in the universe is GOD. Quote: Black holes are unchristian? Well. They are a deep hole where nothing, even light, escapes. That's hell!!!! No true Christian goes to hell! Quote: I missed that. I gotta get out more. No no no no!!! Stay sheltered!!! That's the only way you can know that what I say is absolutely true!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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26th November 2009, 02:00 PM	#6
Mark A. Siefert Illuminator Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Muskego, WI. Posts: 3,169	Apparently, it not just black holes that Andy has a religious/poltical problem with, but with relativity in general! Quote: Relativity predicts absurd physical discontinuities and it contradicts logic, the evidence, and the Bible. The biggest promoters of relativity today are more liberal than the Democratic Party, and that's saying a lot. Promoting relativity causes a great deal of harm in how people view the world, and has cost taxpayers hundreds of millions of dollars on fruitless projects like LIGO. You've heard none of this before because liberals control universities and don't allow open discussion and debate about their pet theories. Perhaps you think man-made global warming is not a liberal theory either?--Andy Schlafly 19:20, 23 November 2009 (EST) Apparently General/Special Relativity is code for MORAL RELATIVISM!!!!
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26th November 2009, 01:34 PM	#5
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26th November 2009, 02:11 PM	#8
TimCallahan Graduate Poster Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,002	I don't recall which fundie spokesman it was, but, whoever it was, he objected to the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle because God's creation can't be uncertain. Therefore, Schlafley's ignoramus assault on black holes isn't surprising. What is alarming is that people with such a flawed understanding of science are in a position, from time to time to influence everything from textbook selection by local school boards to determining the research funding of NASA.

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WhiteLion Muse Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Sweden Posts: 816	Quote: Relativity predicts absurd physical discontinuities That's a whole lot of mouthful of bullcrap. Quote: and it contradicts logic No it contradicts some peoples intuition, not the same thing. Quote: the evidence Biblical evidence I take it? Quote: and the Bible. Don't negate reality for not acting the way desert prophecies would have it.
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26th November 2009, 05:41 PM	#14
Maia Muse Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Nashville, TN Posts: 917	Originally Posted by Mark A. Siefert Not sure whether this belonged in SMMT, R&P, Politics, or humor: Recently, Andrew Schlafly, son on anti-feminist harpy Phyllis, creators of Conseravapedia, purger of "liberal bias" from scripture, an harasser of biologists, spake the following: I really want to see the context of this quote, because it looks as if it might be even crazier than the quote itself. There could be much additional entertainment to be had.
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26th November 2009, 08:31 PM	#15
Tatyana New Blood Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 13	This is highly amusing as well. I can't believe conservapedia even exists. I don't get this non-falsifiable argument. If we see light from a star, then it is not a black hole. Any claim that it is a black hole is then falsified. Black hole theory says that a star becomes a black hole whenever its mass goes inside its Schwarzschild radius, it becomes a black hole. So if we ever find a star that emits light and has its mass inside its Schwarzschild radius, then the theory is falsified. RSchlafly 10:32, 28 July 2009 (EDT)
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26th November 2009, 09:05 PM	#16
Mark A. Siefert Illuminator Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Muskego, WI. Posts: 3,169	Originally Posted by Maia I really want to see the context of this quote, because it looks as if it might be even crazier than the quote itself. There could be much additional entertainment to be had. Here is the full quote... Quote: Mark cited Clifford Will's government-funded 2004 article on proof for General Relativity, but that paper is very "thin" and in a mere 15-minute review several weaknesses are apparent. But thanks for the citation, Mark. This is a site where logic prevails. If you want to say that black holes are consistent with General Relativity (though rejected by Einstein), and General Relativity might be falsifiable (though tests will sufficient accuracy are difficult and expensive), that's fine. But black holes themselves, like life in outer space, are not falsifiable. It's basic logic, and that doesn't change whether all accept the logic or not. There's a broader point here. Why the big push for black holes by liberals, and big protests against any objection to them? If it turned out empirically that promoting black holes tends to cause people to read the Bible less, would you still push this so much? Certainly there is no practical justification to pushing black holes; no one will ever be helped by them in any way.--Andy Schlafly 12:03, 13 November 2009 (EST) Make of it what you will, but I can't see it in any "context" other than Schlafly being a Fascist, Bible-humping, anti-intellectual, slime ball.
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26th November 2009, 09:17 PM	#17
Mark A. Siefert Illuminator Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Muskego, WI. Posts: 3,169	Originally Posted by JFrankA Well. They are a deep hole where nothing, even light, escapes. That's hell!!!! No true Christian goes to hell! You do realize that the 1979 Disney movie The Black Hole wasn't a documentary? At the end, after the damaged starship U.S.S. Cygnus is pulled into the titular singularity, the evvvvvvvvvil mad scientist, Dr. Hans Reinhardt (played by Maximilian Schell) ends up in Hell and is merged with his killer robot as part of his eternal punishment. ... Hey! I didn't write the damn thing!
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26th November 2009, 10:51 PM	#20
Lucian Muse Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 705	Originally Posted by Mark A. Siefert Here is the full quote... Make of it what you will, but I can't see it in any other "context" other than Schlafly being an Fascist, Bible-humping, anti-intellectual, slime ball. You forgot "moronic."
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29th November 2009, 05:21 PM	#21
TimCallahan Graduate Poster Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,002	The following is from http://thedarwinreport.wordpress.com...y_creationist/ Stated by creationist and biblical inarrantist Allen Epling, former public school techer, speaking of the Heisenberg Uncertainty principle: Many scientists firmly advocate a “certainty” that there is no God, in spite of believing ‘religiously’ in the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principal. In the forefront of today’s science is a body of evidence, catagorized[sic] as Quantum Mechanics, that makes clear that nothing in the entire universe is certain but is determined by a “probability factor”. Any scientist that is certain about anything is admitting hypocracy[sic] to his own field of study. Response posted on that site: All Heisenberg’s Uncertainty Principle states is that “the more precisely the POSITION [of a particle] is determined, the less precisely the MOMENTUM is known”. It has nothing to do with the general reliability of scientific evidence. While the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle has to do with quantum mechanics, rather than relativity, the same misinterpretaion of a scientific principle shown by Andrew Schlafly in regard to relativity is evident here.
	Last edited by TimCallahan; 29th November 2009 at 05:26 PM.