Isn't the United States Motto fairly Socialist?

Undesired Walrus · 27th November 2009, 04:16 AM

It seems to me that 'Out of many, one' advocates the concept of a vast amount of individuals coming together into one.

Calculon · 27th November 2009, 04:27 AM

Originally Posted by Undesired Walrus

It seems to me that 'Out of many, one' advocates the concept of a vast amount of individuals coming together into one.

I think of it as inclusive...unlike the one we have now, "In God we Trust".

gtc · 27th November 2009, 04:28 AM

Originally Posted by Undesired Walrus

a vast amount of individuals coming together into one.

Pervert.

Seriously, my first thought would be that it refers to the American states uniting into one nation, a United States of America, if you will.

Undesired Walrus · 27th November 2009, 04:31 AM

It's one of the best mottos I can think of. I loath the British one we are we are stuck with ('My God and my right').

theprestige · 27th November 2009, 04:45 AM

Originally Posted by Undesired Walrus

It seems to me that 'Out of many, one' advocates the concept of a vast amount of individuals coming together into one.

It probably makes more sense in the context of actual US history--you know, the part about thirteen independent colonies joining forces to better withstand domination by foreign powers. Out of many states, one nation. But yeah, if you want to think the founding fathers were crypto-socialists (or accidental socialists), go right ahead.

the_eye · 27th November 2009, 04:51 AM

Australia doesn't even have a motto, it used to be Advance Australia.

Wildy · 27th November 2009, 04:51 AM

Originally Posted by Undesired Walrus

It's one of the best mottos I can think of. I loath the British one we are we are stuck with ('My God and my right').

At least you get a motto. We Aussies don't have one.

quadraginta · 27th November 2009, 05:09 AM

Originally Posted by Undesired Walrus

It's one of the best mottos I can think of. I loath the British one we are we are stuck with ('My God and my right').

I wish it were our motto, too. Unfortunately it's not, and never has been officially.

As mentioned above, our first and only "official" motto is that "In God We Trust" bull hockey. Enacted into law during one of the more regrettable, vicious episodes of pseudo-moralistic opportunism in our recent history it now represents a permanent reminder that we are never more than a handful of radio and TV diatribes away from an hysteria driven, ignorance fueled, populist-mongered theocracy.

ARubberChickenWithAPulley · 27th November 2009, 06:46 AM

Originally Posted by Wildy

At least you get a motto. We Aussies don't have one.

Wait wait... so it's not "I come from the land down under, where women glow and men plunder" ???

I'm shocked, I tell you.

Upchurch · 27th November 2009, 07:11 AM

Originally Posted by ARubberChickenWithAPulley

Wait wait... so it's not "I come from the land down under, where women glow and men plunder" ???

I'm shocked, I tell you.

...and so it begins

I thought it was "that's not a knife. THIS is a knife."

eta: On the OP, it's totally one country from many states and diverse people into a single nationality. It is no more socialist than any country not currently in civil war.

casebro · 27th November 2009, 07:11 AM

I thought Australia's motto starts with :

Here we have the Wattle,
the emblem of out land.

You can stick it in a bottle,
or hold it in your hand.....

Oh, sorry, that's the state poem.

ETA: is there more? I've never found any.

parky76 · 27th November 2009, 07:46 AM

Originally Posted by Undesired Walrus

It seems to me that 'Out of many, one' advocates the concept of a vast amount of individuals coming together into one.

yes. Obama went back in time and made our national motto 200 years ago.

Undesired Walrus · 27th November 2009, 07:55 AM

Originally Posted by theprestige

But yeah, if you want to think the founding fathers were crypto-socialists (or accidental socialists), go right ahead.

Who thought this?

Meadmaker · 27th November 2009, 08:40 AM

Originally Posted by Undesired Walrus

It seems to me that 'Out of many, one' advocates the concept of a vast amount of individuals coming together into one.

I'm not sure whether this has already been made clear, but in case it hasn't, I'll try.

The "many" in "E pluribus unum" does not refer to individuals. It refers to states. From 13 independent, non-connected, states, a single new nation was formed.

Distracted1 · 27th November 2009, 08:57 AM

Originally Posted by Meadmaker

I'm not sure whether this has already been made clear, but in case it hasn't, I'll try.

The "many" in "E pluribus unum" does not refer to individuals. It refers to states. From 13 independent, non-connected, states, a single new nation was formed.

You are certain of this? You state it as if it is a fact and not just an opinion, why?

Is'nt it just as possible that it means "From many individuals- a single people"

Undesired Walrus · 27th November 2009, 09:06 AM

Originally Posted by Meadmaker

I'm not sure whether this has already been made clear, but in case it hasn't, I'll try.

The "many" in "E pluribus unum" does not refer to individuals. It refers to states. From 13 independent, non-connected, states, a single new nation was formed.

When the phrase was originally written or when it was picked to be the motto?

The Painter · 27th November 2009, 09:11 AM

Originally Posted by Wildy

At least you get a motto. We Aussies don't have one.

I always thought your unofficial official song was "Waltzing Matilda". Yet I don't know what language it is?

Quote:

Down came a jumbuck to drink at that billabong,
Up jumped the swagman and grabbed him with glee,
And he sang as he shoved that jumbuck in his tucker bag,
"You'll come a-Waltzing Matilda, with me".

What???

I Ratant · 27th November 2009, 09:19 AM

That's Strine.
Cobbers speak it.

Mark A. Siefert · 27th November 2009, 09:29 AM

I thought that Australia's motto was "NO POOFTAHS!"

uk_dave · 27th November 2009, 09:35 AM

Originally Posted by Mark A. Siefert

I thought that Australia's motto was "NO POOFTAHS!"

Yes, but like many homophobes, Australia was later found to be gay (much to New Zealand's surprise).

Undesired Walrus · 27th November 2009, 09:46 AM

I'm touched at how similar national mottos are to the theme of others.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_national_mottos

Algeria:
بالشعب و للشعب By the people and for the people (They steal this from Lincoln or vice versa?)

Bulgaria:
Union Makes Strength

Chad:
Unity, Work, Progress

Equatorial Guinea:
Unity, Peace, Justice

Georgia:
Strength is in Unity

Guyana:
One People, One Nation, One Destiny

Etc.

By far my favourite is the Czech motto: Truth prevails!

Undesired Walrus · 27th November 2009, 09:48 AM

I like this piece of Wiki vandalism:

Jamaica:
Out of many, one babe having sex

How long has that been there?

theprestige · 27th November 2009, 09:56 AM

Originally Posted by Distracted1

You are certain of this? You state it as if it is a fact and not just an opinion, why?

Is'nt it just as possible that it means "From many individuals- a single people"

Dude, it's the history of the United States. It was formed by the union of thirteen states into one nation. It appears on the original great seal of the nation, in 1776 (the year the nation was founded), alongside a constellation of thirteen stars and a bundle of thirteen arrows, canonical symbols of the original thirteen states.

Eyeron · 27th November 2009, 11:31 AM

According to the wiki:

Quote:

E pluribus unum, Latin for "Out of many one", is a motto requested by Pierre Eugene du Simitiere (originally Pierre-Eugène Ducimetière) and found in 1776 on the Seal of the United States, along with Annuit cœptis and Novus ordo seclorum, and adopted by an Act of Congress in 1782. The phrase originally came from Moretum, a poem attributed to Virgil but with the actual author unknown. In the poem text, color est e pluribus unus describes the blending of colors into one. A different account was put forward in the Discovery Channel program "Secret America". According to an interview with Priscilla Linn, Senior Curator, State Dept. Diplomacy, the phrase "Out of Many, One" came from a magazine called "The Gentleman's Magazine," published at the time of the revolution. Each year, the magazine would re-purpose one article from each of the year's 12 issues, publishing a standalone issue that was "Out of many, one".

Never codified by law, E pluribus unum was considered a de facto motto of the United States until 1956 when the United States Congress passed an act (H.J. Resolution 396), adopting In God We Trust as the official motto.[1] Seth Read of Uxbridge, Massachusetts was said to have been "instrumental" in the addition of "E Pluribus Unum" to U.S. Coins.[2] The first coins with this mint appeared as early as 1786 at Newburgh, New York.

While Annuit cœptis and Novus ordo seclorum appear on the reverse side of the great seal, E pluribus unum appears on the obverse side of the seal, the image of which is used as the national emblem of the United States, and appears on official documents such as passports. It also appears on the seal of the President and in the seals of the Vice President of the United States, of the United States Congress, of the United States House of Representatives, of the United States Senate and on the seal of the United States Supreme Court. E pluribus unum, written in capital letters, is included on most U.S. currency, with some exceptions to the letter spacing (such as the reverse of the dime). It is also embossed on the edge of the dollar coin. (See United States coinage and paper bills in circulation).

Originally suggesting that out of many colonies or states emerge a single nation, it has come to suggest that out of many peoples, races, religions and ancestries has emerged a single people and nation – illustrating the concept of the melting pot.[3]

Its Anglicized pronunciation is /ˈiː ˈplʊərɨbəs ˈjuːnəm/; Latin [ˈeː ˈpluːribus ˈuːnum].

JoeTheJuggler · 27th November 2009, 12:56 PM

Originally Posted by Undesired Walrus

It seems to me that 'Out of many, one' advocates the concept of a vast amount of individuals coming together into one.

I don't see how that means "socialism".

On the other hand, Missouri's motto definitely supports what most people claim is "socialism":

"Salus populi suprema lex esto "--"The welfare of the people shall be the supreme law."

And, of course, we've got the best nickname too--The Show Me State.

JoeTheJuggler · 27th November 2009, 12:59 PM

Originally Posted by theprestige

Dude, it's the history of the United States. It was formed by the union of thirteen states into one nation.

That's the way I always took it.

Even if you generalize, at most it says we're a pluralistic society. (That is our nation is not formed of an ethnic or religious identity.)

Undesired Walrus · 27th November 2009, 01:09 PM

Originally Posted by JoeTheJuggler

(That is our nation is not formed of an ethnic or religious identity.)

Is that unusual?

parky76 · 27th November 2009, 01:13 PM

eh....wasn't Socialism invented in the late 1800s???

Undesired Walrus · 27th November 2009, 01:34 PM

So?

Praktik · 27th November 2009, 01:36 PM

Originally Posted by parky76

eh....wasn't Socialism invented in the late 1800s???

as we know it maybe, but it was percolating for a long time before then. You can point to periods in history when there were groups advocating for things we would call socialism today, but wasn't back then.

Socialism "hit the big time" in the 19th century. But it was the product of centuries of political development.

Sword_Of_Truth · 27th November 2009, 01:42 PM

Originally Posted by Undesired Walrus

It seems to me that 'Out of many, one' advocates the concept of a vast amount of individuals coming together into one.

It could also be describing a football team.

It's socialist if you want to see socialism in it.

KingMerv00 · 27th November 2009, 01:45 PM

Originally Posted by The Painter

What???

I'll translate:

Down came a sheep to drink at that small lake,
Up jumped the homeless squatter and grabbed him with glee,
And he sang as he shoved that sheep in his pouch,
"You'll come a-wandering with me and my few meager possessions which I have packed in a makeshift bundle."

Praktik · 27th November 2009, 01:50 PM

i nearly lost my coffee on your cicero quote/sig..

KingMerv00 · 27th November 2009, 01:52 PM

Originally Posted by Praktik

i nearly lost my coffee on your cicero quote/sig..

It was the "book sales" part wasn't it?

parky76 · 27th November 2009, 02:03 PM

Originally Posted by Undesired Walrus

So?

how could the motto of the USA be Socialist, if it pre-dates Socialism by more than 100 years?

Undesired Walrus · 27th November 2009, 02:29 PM

Originally Posted by parky76

how could the motto of the USA be Socialist, if it pre-dates Socialism by more than 100 years?

Humans were Human before the word was invented. From our perspective at least.

Based on the evidence given in this thread however, I have to admit that it seems as if the motto was talking about states, rather than individuals. Thanks for the education.

JoeTheJuggler · 27th November 2009, 02:56 PM

Originally Posted by Undesired Walrus

Is that unusual?

Yes, I do believe it was at the time.

However, unusual or not, I think the motto refers literally to the union of the original colonies and more generally or figuratively to the pluralistic society united as a nation.

peptoabysmal · 27th November 2009, 09:33 PM

I think it's funnier when people try to link the US to the Illuminati via perverting "novus ordo seclorum" into a version of "new world order."
http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False...illuminati.htm

SimonD · 27th November 2009, 10:49 PM

Originally Posted by parky76

eh....wasn't Socialism invented in the late 1800s???

While the phrase 'Socialism' may have been coined in the 1800's, the concept has been around for many thousands of years.

Tribal life was basically socialism. Another example would be some of the teachings of Jesus Christ (without getting into the debate about whether he existed or not).

Bob Blaylock · 28th November 2009, 01:00 AM

Originally Posted by JoeTheJuggler

On the other hand, Missouri's motto definitely supports what most people claim is "socialism":

"Salus populi suprema lex esto "--"The welfare of the people shall be the supreme law."

How long has that been Missouri's motto?

I don't think the term “welfare” was ever used in the U.S. to refer to government-based socialistic wealth-redistribution programs until well into the 20th century.

27th November 2009, 04:16 AM	#1
Undesired Walrus Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 7,139	Isn't the United States Motto fairly Socialist? It seems to me that 'Out of many, one' advocates the concept of a vast amount of individuals coming together into one.
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27th November 2009, 04:28 AM	#3
gtc Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: the downunderverse Posts: 7,109	Originally Posted by Undesired Walrus a vast amount of individuals coming together into one. Pervert. Seriously, my first thought would be that it refers to the American states uniting into one nation, a United States of America, if you will.
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27th November 2009, 04:31 AM	#4
Undesired Walrus Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 7,139	It's one of the best mottos I can think of. I loath the British one we are we are stuck with ('My God and my right').
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27th November 2009, 04:51 AM	#7
Wildy Adelaidean Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Australia, not that you'll read the "location" field. Posts: 7,002	Originally Posted by Undesired Walrus It's one of the best mottos I can think of. I loath the British one we are we are stuck with ('My God and my right'). At least you get a motto. We Aussies don't have one.
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27th November 2009, 05:09 AM	#8
quadraginta What was the question? Join Date: May 2009 Location: Central Vale of Humility Posts: 2,028	Originally Posted by Undesired Walrus It's one of the best mottos I can think of. I loath the British one we are we are stuck with ('My God and my right'). I wish it were our motto, too. Unfortunately it's not, and never has been officially. As mentioned above, our first and only "official" motto is that "In God We Trust" bull hockey. Enacted into law during one of the more regrettable, vicious episodes of pseudo-moralistic opportunism in our recent history it now represents a permanent reminder that we are never more than a handful of radio and TV diatribes away from an hysteria driven, ignorance fueled, populist-mongered theocracy.
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27th November 2009, 04:27 AM	#2
Calculon Scholar Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Hollywood-ish Posts: 94	Originally Posted by Undesired Walrus It seems to me that 'Out of many, one' advocates the concept of a vast amount of individuals coming together into one. I think of it as inclusive...unlike the one we have now, "In God we Trust".

27th November 2009, 04:45 AM	#5
theprestige Master Poster Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 2,096	Originally Posted by Undesired Walrus It seems to me that 'Out of many, one' advocates the concept of a vast amount of individuals coming together into one. It probably makes more sense in the context of actual US history--you know, the part about thirteen independent colonies joining forces to better withstand domination by foreign powers. Out of many states, one nation. But yeah, if you want to think the founding fathers were crypto-socialists (or accidental socialists), go right ahead.

27th November 2009, 04:51 AM	#6
the_eye Scholar Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Australia Posts: 55	Australia doesn't even have a motto, it used to be Advance Australia.

27th November 2009, 06:46 AM	#9
ARubberChickenWithAPulley Graduate Poster Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Kentucky Posts: 1,805	Originally Posted by Wildy At least you get a motto. We Aussies don't have one. Wait wait... so it's not "I come from the land down under, where women glow and men plunder" ??? I'm shocked, I tell you.

27th November 2009, 07:11 AM	#10
Upchurch Papa Funkosophy Join Date: May 2002 Location: Funky Town (STL, MO) Posts: 19,555	Originally Posted by ARubberChickenWithAPulley Wait wait... so it's not "I come from the land down under, where women glow and men plunder" ??? I'm shocked, I tell you. ...and so it begins I thought it was "that's not a knife. THIS is a knife." eta: On the OP, it's totally one country from many states and diverse people into a single nationality. It is no more socialist than any country not currently in civil war.
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27th November 2009, 07:11 AM	#11
casebro Illuminator Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 3,727	I thought Australia's motto starts with : Here we have the Wattle, the emblem of out land. You can stick it in a bottle, or hold it in your hand..... Oh, sorry, that's the state poem. ETA: is there more? I've never found any.
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27th November 2009, 07:46 AM	#12
parky76 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 15,491	Originally Posted by Undesired Walrus It seems to me that 'Out of many, one' advocates the concept of a vast amount of individuals coming together into one. yes. Obama went back in time and made our national motto 200 years ago.
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27th November 2009, 07:55 AM	#13
Undesired Walrus Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 7,139	Originally Posted by theprestige But yeah, if you want to think the founding fathers were crypto-socialists (or accidental socialists), go right ahead. Who thought this?
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27th November 2009, 08:40 AM	#14
Meadmaker Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Detroit suburbs Posts: 8,113	Originally Posted by Undesired Walrus It seems to me that 'Out of many, one' advocates the concept of a vast amount of individuals coming together into one. I'm not sure whether this has already been made clear, but in case it hasn't, I'll try. The "many" in "E pluribus unum" does not refer to individuals. It refers to states. From 13 independent, non-connected, states, a single new nation was formed.
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27th November 2009, 08:57 AM	#15
Distracted1 Thinker Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 228	Originally Posted by Meadmaker I'm not sure whether this has already been made clear, but in case it hasn't, I'll try. The "many" in "E pluribus unum" does not refer to individuals. It refers to states. From 13 independent, non-connected, states, a single new nation was formed. You are certain of this? You state it as if it is a fact and not just an opinion, why? Is'nt it just as possible that it means "From many individuals- a single people"

27th November 2009, 09:06 AM	#16
Undesired Walrus Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 7,139	Originally Posted by Meadmaker I'm not sure whether this has already been made clear, but in case it hasn't, I'll try. The "many" in "E pluribus unum" does not refer to individuals. It refers to states. From 13 independent, non-connected, states, a single new nation was formed. When the phrase was originally written or when it was picked to be the motto?
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27th November 2009, 09:11 AM	#17
The Painter Master Poster Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: New York Posts: 2,226	Originally Posted by Wildy At least you get a motto. We Aussies don't have one. I always thought your unofficial official song was "Waltzing Matilda". Yet I don't know what language it is? Quote: Down came a jumbuck to drink at that billabong, Up jumped the swagman and grabbed him with glee, And he sang as he shoved that jumbuck in his tucker bag, "You'll come a-Waltzing Matilda, with me". What???

27th November 2009, 09:19 AM	#18
I Ratant Illuminator Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 4,588	That's Strine. Cobbers speak it.
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27th November 2009, 09:29 AM	#19
Mark A. Siefert Illuminator Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Muskego, WI. Posts: 3,169	I thought that Australia's motto was "NO POOFTAHS!"
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27th November 2009, 09:35 AM	#20
uk_dave Philosopher Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 5,627	Originally Posted by Mark A. Siefert I thought that Australia's motto was "NO POOFTAHS!" Yes, but like many homophobes, Australia was later found to be gay (much to New Zealand's surprise).
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27th November 2009, 09:46 AM	#21
Undesired Walrus Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 7,139	I'm touched at how similar national mottos are to the theme of others. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_national_mottos Algeria: بالشعب و للشعب By the people and for the people (They steal this from Lincoln or vice versa?) Bulgaria: Union Makes Strength Chad: Unity, Work, Progress Equatorial Guinea: Unity, Peace, Justice Georgia: Strength is in Unity Guyana: One People, One Nation, One Destiny Etc. By far my favourite is the Czech motto: Truth prevails!
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27th November 2009, 09:48 AM	#22
Undesired Walrus Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 7,139	I like this piece of Wiki vandalism: Jamaica: Out of many, one babe having sex How long has that been there?
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27th November 2009, 09:56 AM	#23
theprestige Master Poster Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 2,096	Originally Posted by Distracted1 You are certain of this? You state it as if it is a fact and not just an opinion, why? Is'nt it just as possible that it means "From many individuals- a single people" Dude, it's the history of the United States. It was formed by the union of thirteen states into one nation. It appears on the original great seal of the nation, in 1776 (the year the nation was founded), alongside a constellation of thirteen stars and a bundle of thirteen arrows, canonical symbols of the original thirteen states.

27th November 2009, 11:31 AM	#24
Eyeron Guest Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 1,774	According to the wiki: Quote: E pluribus unum, Latin for "Out of many one", is a motto requested by Pierre Eugene du Simitiere (originally Pierre-Eugène Ducimetière) and found in 1776 on the Seal of the United States, along with Annuit cœptis and Novus ordo seclorum, and adopted by an Act of Congress in 1782. The phrase originally came from Moretum, a poem attributed to Virgil but with the actual author unknown. In the poem text, color est e pluribus unus describes the blending of colors into one. A different account was put forward in the Discovery Channel program "Secret America". According to an interview with Priscilla Linn, Senior Curator, State Dept. Diplomacy, the phrase "Out of Many, One" came from a magazine called "The Gentleman's Magazine," published at the time of the revolution. Each year, the magazine would re-purpose one article from each of the year's 12 issues, publishing a standalone issue that was "Out of many, one". Never codified by law, E pluribus unum was considered a de facto motto of the United States until 1956 when the United States Congress passed an act (H.J. Resolution 396), adopting In God We Trust as the official motto.[1] Seth Read of Uxbridge, Massachusetts was said to have been "instrumental" in the addition of "E Pluribus Unum" to U.S. Coins.[2] The first coins with this mint appeared as early as 1786 at Newburgh, New York. While Annuit cœptis and Novus ordo seclorum appear on the reverse side of the great seal, E pluribus unum appears on the obverse side of the seal, the image of which is used as the national emblem of the United States, and appears on official documents such as passports. It also appears on the seal of the President and in the seals of the Vice President of the United States, of the United States Congress, of the United States House of Representatives, of the United States Senate and on the seal of the United States Supreme Court. E pluribus unum, written in capital letters, is included on most U.S. currency, with some exceptions to the letter spacing (such as the reverse of the dime). It is also embossed on the edge of the dollar coin. (See United States coinage and paper bills in circulation). Originally suggesting that out of many colonies or states emerge a single nation, it has come to suggest that out of many peoples, races, religions and ancestries has emerged a single people and nation – illustrating the concept of the melting pot.[3] Its Anglicized pronunciation is /ˈiː ˈplʊərɨbəs ˈjuːnəm/; Latin [ˈeː ˈpluːribus ˈuːnum].
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27th November 2009, 12:56 PM	#25
JoeTheJuggler Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: St. Louis Posts: 10,989	Originally Posted by Undesired Walrus It seems to me that 'Out of many, one' advocates the concept of a vast amount of individuals coming together into one. I don't see how that means "socialism". On the other hand, Missouri's motto definitely supports what most people claim is "socialism": "Salus populi suprema lex esto "--"The welfare of the people shall be the supreme law." And, of course, we've got the best nickname too--The Show Me State.
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27th November 2009, 12:59 PM	#26
JoeTheJuggler Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: St. Louis Posts: 10,989	Originally Posted by theprestige Dude, it's the history of the United States. It was formed by the union of thirteen states into one nation. That's the way I always took it. Even if you generalize, at most it says we're a pluralistic society. (That is our nation is not formed of an ethnic or religious identity.)
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27th November 2009, 01:09 PM	#27
Undesired Walrus Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 7,139	Originally Posted by JoeTheJuggler (That is our nation is not formed of an ethnic or religious identity.) Is that unusual?
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27th November 2009, 01:13 PM	#28
parky76 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 15,491	eh....wasn't Socialism invented in the late 1800s???
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27th November 2009, 01:34 PM	#29
Undesired Walrus Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 7,139	So?
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27th November 2009, 01:36 PM	#30
Praktik Master Poster Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,804	Originally Posted by parky76 eh....wasn't Socialism invented in the late 1800s??? as we know it maybe, but it was percolating for a long time before then. You can point to periods in history when there were groups advocating for things we would call socialism today, but wasn't back then. Socialism "hit the big time" in the 19th century. But it was the product of centuries of political development.
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27th November 2009, 01:42 PM	#31
Sword_Of_Truth Illuminator Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 4,958	Originally Posted by Undesired Walrus It seems to me that 'Out of many, one' advocates the concept of a vast amount of individuals coming together into one. It could also be describing a football team. It's socialist if you want to see socialism in it.

27th November 2009, 01:45 PM	#32
KingMerv00 Philosopher Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Philadelphia, PA...USA Posts: 8,785	Originally Posted by The Painter What??? I'll translate: Down came a sheep to drink at that small lake, Up jumped the homeless squatter and grabbed him with glee, And he sang as he shoved that sheep in his pouch, "You'll come a-wandering with me and my few meager possessions which I have packed in a makeshift bundle."
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27th November 2009, 01:50 PM	#33
Praktik Master Poster Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,804	i nearly lost my coffee on your cicero quote/sig..
Praktik Master Poster Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,804	__________________ "It must be very strange to be President Bush. A man of extraordinary vision and brilliance approaching to genius, he can't get anyone to notice. He is like a great painter or musician who is ahead of his time, and who unveils one masterpiece after another to a reception that, when not bored, is hostile." - John Hinderaker, Powerline

27th November 2009, 01:52 PM	#34
KingMerv00 Philosopher Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Philadelphia, PA...USA Posts: 8,785	Originally Posted by Praktik i nearly lost my coffee on your cicero quote/sig.. It was the "book sales" part wasn't it?
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27th November 2009, 02:03 PM	#35
parky76 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 15,491	Originally Posted by Undesired Walrus So? how could the motto of the USA be Socialist, if it pre-dates Socialism by more than 100 years?
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