The Free Khalid Sheikh Mohammed Campaign - Page 2

Algebra34 · 29th November 2009, 05:37 PM

Originally Posted by Rolfe

I mean this in all seriousness, I hope they have better evidence against this guy than they had against al Megrahi for Pan Am 103. The last thing we need is a re-run of that farce.

Rolfe.

Amen

BigAl · 29th November 2009, 05:38 PM

Originally Posted by Algebra34

What evidence? A news interview and a bunch of waterboard sessions? His beliefs? His insanity? Is their something else? Let me know.

Here ya' go. The charge sheet that lists everything we think we can prove about what KSM has done to us. 90pages worth.

http://www.defenselink.mil/news/Feb2...hargesheet.pdf

Scott Sommers · 29th November 2009, 05:38 PM

Originally Posted by Algebra34

Scott,

If there is something specific you would like to discuss with a twoofer I am available. But it better be a discussion.

BTW it's seems that you have been "listed" to all the "911 Truth slop since it began". Do you think you are alone? Look around.

Why would I care about your opinion on this? You may give me some words of wisdom. They may even make sense. That's unimportant. Dicky G., Doc Steve and the rest of them are strangely silent. WAC can protest Al Gore's new book, but when it comes to innocent people, they do dumb as the dead. Luke what's his name goes to Russia, but who cares about KSM? The only one willing to take a stand is Kevin Barrett and he's nuts.

Really, the Truth Movement is the most pathetic political cause I've ever seen. If I have a question it would be this, don't you feel ashamed to be associated with these guys?

DGM · 29th November 2009, 05:40 PM

Originally Posted by Algebra34

I don't care if it ties into an inside job as much as you care and hope it won't. I want to hear and see all the evidence available to be heard and seen. How about you?

Sounds fine to me. Why do you think I care if he implicates someone on the inside? I just look at the evidence available (and verifiable) and go from there. That's where the TM lost me (and their abysmal knowledge of science)

9/11 Chewy Defense · 29th November 2009, 05:43 PM

Truthers have no shame if KSM is put to death or put in prison for life. They claim he's innocent, then where's their evidence to free him?

Thunder · 29th November 2009, 05:44 PM

I will eat my hat if KSM's opening statement is:

"I did not do 9-11. I is a stupid cave-Arab. We cannot fly da planes. 9-11 was done by a consortium of Neo-conservatives, Zionists, Freemasons, and Illuminati reptilians. The evidence is all here on this DVD, called Loose Change"

T.A.M. · 29th November 2009, 05:45 PM

Algebra only wants to hear what will promote his skewed pov. If all of the evidence comes out, and it is damning beyond the pale against KSM, he will simply call it faked/forged/planted.

We will see (well I won't first hand), if he is not banned by then, what Algebra has to say about the evidence when it is presented in a year or two.

TAM

Algebra34 · 29th November 2009, 05:47 PM

Originally Posted by DGM

Sounds fine to me. Why do you think I care if he implicates someone on the inside? I just look at the evidence available (and verifiable) and go from there. That's where the TM lost me (and their abysmal knowledge of science)

Why do I think you care? Maybe from some of your posts here in the 9/11 conspiracy section. In any case I'm glad you are all for all of the evidence available to be presented regardless of who it might or might not implicate. That's all I want as far as this trial goes

Thunder · 29th November 2009, 05:48 PM

ok folks, who here will pay me $20 to go down to the Federal courthouse wearing a "Investigate 9-11" t-shirt and waving a "Free KSM" sign?

any takers?

you KNOW I would totally be famous!!!!

TexasJack · 29th November 2009, 05:49 PM

Originally Posted by DGM

Sounds fine to me. Why do you think I care if he implicates someone on the inside? I just look at the evidence available (and verifiable) and go from there. That's where the TM lost me (and their abysmal knowledge of science)

I agree with this completely. I could care less if someone from US government is implicated. However, all the evidence that is available points one way, and if the government can't produce the evidence that BigAl linked to, they're going to look awful silly. Truthers, on the other hand, have a pre-conceived notion of an inside job, and work backwards to justify it.

T.A.M. · 29th November 2009, 05:50 PM

Originally Posted by parky76

ok folks, who here will pay me $20 to go down to the Federal courthouse wearing a "Investigate 9-11" t-shirt and waving a "Free KSM" sign?

any takers?

you KNOW I would totally be famous!!!!

While I get your humor, I do not think it would be cool. A lot of the families will be there...leave the vile stomach turning bullcrap to the asswipes in the TM.

TAM

Thunder · 29th November 2009, 05:52 PM

Originally Posted by T.A.M.

While I get your humor, I do not think it would be cool. A lot of the families will be there...leave the vile stomach turning bullcrap to the asswipes in the TM.

yeah, and the FDNY and NYPD would probably kick my ass.

oh well, dare to dream.

cabernet sauvignon...stop talking.

Thunder · 29th November 2009, 05:55 PM

Originally Posted by dtugg

KSM was found with a laptop connecting him to the hijackers.

I find it hard to believe that the 9-11 Truth Movement, who have devoted their lives to uncovering the truth about what happened that faithful day, would ignore such evidence.

Algebra34 · 29th November 2009, 05:55 PM

Originally Posted by scott.in.taiwan

Why would I care about your opinion on this? You may give me some words of wisdom. They may even make sense. That's unimportant. Dicky G., Doc Steve and the rest of them are strangely silent. WAC can protest Al Gore's new book, but when it comes to innocent people, they do dumb as the dead. Luke what's his name goes to Russia, but who cares about KSM? The only one willing to take a stand is Kevin Barrett and he's nuts.

Really, the Truth Movement is the most pathetic political cause I've ever seen. If I have a question it would be this, don't you feel ashamed to be associated with these guys?

I don't really see it as political and I'm not directly associated with anyone. It's community service to me. I know for a fact that I have informed both truther and debunker alike on different 9/11 topics. But to this day I am amazed at how some of them are still so uninformed about what they claim to know is truth regardless of what side they come down on.

If you would like to discuss something specific about 9/11 I would be glad to. But leave your politics at the door.

Scott Sommers · 29th November 2009, 06:02 PM

Originally Posted by Algebra34

I don't really see it as political and I'm not directly associated with anyone. It's community service to me. I know for a fact that I have informed both truther and debunker alike on different 9/11 topics. But to this day I am amazed at how some of them are still so uninformed about what they claim to know is truth regardless of what side they come down on.

If you would like to discuss something specific about 9/11 I would be glad to. But leave your politics at the door.

Is this a joke? You claim the US government and its agents kill thousands with top secret weapons, start a war and then frame an innocent man for all this and it's NOT politics. You think anyone could listen to you and not laugh after you say such a thing? Why would bother even posting on a thread with the title The Free KSM Campaign? Why don't you just stick to the threads that talk about energy beams and secret agents. That's where the really useful stuff is being discussed, right?

Thunder · 29th November 2009, 06:04 PM

Originally Posted by Algebra34

If you would like to discuss something specific about 9/11 I would be glad to. But leave your politics at the door.

as if 9-11 has NOTHING to do with politics, for the Truthers.

that is some funny doo doo.

Redtail · 29th November 2009, 07:11 PM

Originally Posted by Algebra34

Why?

I ask you what would prove it and you say full disclosure and evidence "might".

Thunder · 29th November 2009, 07:12 PM

lets say it for the one millionth time:

Truthers do NOT care about evidence...or truth.

This is about ego, fame, money, fear, martyrdom, and insanity.

Cl1mh4224rd · 29th November 2009, 08:35 PM

Originally Posted by Algebra34

I lied about nothing. Nick Berg was connected to a 9/11 hijacker conspirator supposedly.

That's one hell of a tenuous connection.

It's like claiming I have a connection to Bruce Springsteen simply because the kid I work with has done some graphic design work for him. While it's technically true in a "six degrees" sort of way, it's hardly significant.

fourtoe · 29th November 2009, 09:49 PM

Originally Posted by Undesired Walrus

Surely this suggests that they believe there is some evidence that he was connected to the attacks. After all, you wouldn't say "We don't know how deeply he was involved" about the inexplicable arrest, torture, trial and execution of Trevor McDonald for the Omagh Bombings.

I looked into this because I've never heard of this and I found two errors that you might have made:

I couldn't find anything about a Trevor McDonald being involved with the Omagh Bombings nor could I find anything about someone being arrested and executed for carrying out the bombings in 1973 and the bombing in 1998.

I understand the point you make in bringing this up of course, I just haven't found anything in support of this statement.

On another note, I asked Dylan Avery once what he was doing to get KSM out of jail and after he tried to change the topic to ObL he went on to say that he does not think he has enough evidence supporting KSM's innocence.

Gaspode · 30th November 2009, 01:11 PM

Some posts moved to AAH.

Keep it civil and on-topic please.

Posted By:Gaspode

Arus808 · 1st December 2009, 12:01 AM

still no action from our resident truthers? I would expect they be on the phone; visiting their truther forums taking up donations and the like to protest the trial.

Undesired Walrus · 1st December 2009, 12:16 AM

Originally Posted by Algebra34

What I'm saying is that if KSM and the rest of them are admitting to this crime but think that somehow they are going to prove that being responsible for the murder of innocents is somehow justified, I would hope that this trial will not be allowed to become some avenue to air such nonsense. If they are guilty of the crime then they should just plead guilty and make their final statement when given the opportunity.

What I want to know is exactly how they are guilty regardless of what they say or admit to. I want all the details. I want all the evidence that is available to be presented. I don't want some stupid circus trial that reveals nothing new.

For what it's worth. I don't like KSM. He's wasting every one's time. And that's what he's trying to turn this trial into. White noise, dead ends, and nonsense. He's full of bull.

You presumably believe that KSM was somehow involved, more so than Mr Blogs from 5th Avenue. Can you tell me what evidence you believe connects him to 9/11?

Undesired Walrus · 1st December 2009, 12:21 AM

Originally Posted by Algebra34

What evidence? A news interview and a bunch of waterboard sessions? His beliefs? His insanity? Is their something else? Let me know.

So Mr Blogs admits to planning 9/11 and is tortured and you have no problem with him being put on trial for his life? Again, you must presumably therefore think there is some evidence against him, or you would be screaming 'Free KSM!'.

Undesired Walrus · 1st December 2009, 12:25 AM

Originally Posted by knife fight colobus

I looked into this because I've never heard of this and I found two errors that you might have made:

I couldn't find anything about a Trevor McDonald being involved with the Omagh Bombings nor could I find anything about someone being arrested and executed for carrying out the bombings in 1973 and the bombing in 1998.

I understand the point you make in bringing this up of course, I just haven't found anything in support of this statement.

It was a hypothetical.

fourtoe · 1st December 2009, 01:23 AM

Originally Posted by Undesired Walrus

It was a hypothetical.

Alright, sounds good.

buka001 · 1st December 2009, 01:55 AM

I noticed by asking truthers why don't they do anything to defend the innocent KSM? They reply where did we say he was innocent. But by implication there 8 odd years of diatribe basically says he is innocent, because they believe the USG is involved.

KSM had nothing to do with thermite, hence believers in thermite demolition of WTC should believe KSM is innocent. KSM had nothing to do with decoy flights at the pentagon, hence CIT should believe he is innocent. And likewise, KSM had nothing to do with funny little white planes and no wreckage at Shankseville, so Dom/Terrorcell should also believe KSM is innocent.

Yet all of them just reply saying we never said he was innocent. Of course you all did. The logic of your arguments is screaming that! Its justa pity their self delusions blind their own logic.

SezMe · 1st December 2009, 02:36 AM

Originally Posted by T.A.M.

Algebra only wants to hear what will promote his skewed pov. If all of the evidence comes out, and it is damning beyond the pale against KSM, he will simply call it faked/forged/planted.

My concern is that some evidence may not come out due to security restrictions. If so, this will give the Truthers that out that they didn't see ALL the evidence so we still need a new investigation.

Redtail · 1st December 2009, 02:53 AM

Originally Posted by SezMe

My concern is that some evidence may not come out due to security restrictions. If so, this will give the Truthers that out that they didn't see ALL the evidence so we still need a new investigation.

Even if they see ALL the evidence, odds are they're just going to invent new "evidence" that they didn't see, thus they need a new investigation.

deep · 1st December 2009, 05:20 AM

Originally Posted by Cl1mh4224rd

It's like claiming I have a connection to Bruce Springsteen simply because the kid I work with has done some graphic design work for him. While it's technically true in a "six degrees" sort of way, it's hardly significant.

Sweet.. now I have a connection to Bruce Springsteen.

Brainache · 1st December 2009, 08:48 PM

Originally Posted by deep

Sweet.. now I have a connection to Bruce Springsteen.

I've shaken hands with Mikhael Gorbachev, Richard Armitage, Salman Rushdie, Clive James, Lenny Henry and the singer from Faith No More. Talk about connected, I must be the centre of the world!

A W Smith · 1st December 2009, 09:02 PM

Originally Posted by Brainache

I've shaken hands with Mikhael Gorbachev, Richard Armitage, Salman Rushdie, Clive James, Lenny Henry and the singer from Faith No More. Talk about connected, I must be the centre of the world!

I was in the studio audience when David letterman shaved on air back when he was with NBC. So I must be connected in some way to his lady stalker Margaret Ray.

portlandatheist · 2nd December 2009, 12:17 AM

The simple reality is
1) Regardless of the level of innocence or guilt of KSM, any evidence of an inside job is absolutely pertinent to his trial
2) If Truthers want their evidence to see the light of day, this is the best opportunity they will ever have for their evidence to be evaluated by a court and a jury of peers. This is the best chance ever for the "investigation" they claim they want
In light of the above two points, its no surprise that the truthers choose to punt. Stick with youtube videos. Claim that the hijackers are still alive but don't bother to interview their surviving family members or do any other leg work.
Your lack of integrity is truly telling. At this point, you can't even claim that your evidence was ignored by the courts because you didn't even bother providing your evidence. Would it hurt you or your movement to provide what evidence you have of an inside job to KSM's defense? Actually it would because it would be laughed away but at the very least, you could claim that you made the attempt. Truly pathetic. Why should anybody take your evidence seriously if even you don't take it seriously?

Sam.I.Am · 2nd December 2009, 11:51 AM

Originally Posted by portlandatheist

The simple reality is
1) Regardless of the level of innocence or guilt of KSM, any evidence of an inside job is absolutely pertinent to his trial
2) If Truthers want their evidence to see the light of day, this is the best opportunity they will ever have for their evidence to be evaluated by a court and a jury of peers. This is the best chance ever for the "investigation" they claim they want
In light of the above two points, its no surprise that the truthers choose to punt. Stick with youtube videos. Claim that the hijackers are still alive but don't bother to interview their surviving family members or do any other leg work.
Your lack of integrity is truly telling. At this point, you can't even claim that your evidence was ignored by the courts because you didn't even bother providing your evidence. Would it hurt you or your movement to provide what evidence you have of an inside job to KSM's defense? Actually it would because it would be laughed away but at the very least, you could claim that you made the attempt. Truly pathetic. Why should anybody take your evidence seriously if even you don't take it seriously?

Punt? I think a better analogy would be "Taking a Knee and letting the clock run out". Punting implies moving the ball into the other teams hands.

KDLarsen · 2nd December 2009, 02:22 PM

Niels Harrit threw out an interesting take in a Danish newspapers online debate, where he claimed that there may well be evidence of KSM's involvement in planning a terror attack, but that there was no evidence of that terror attack taking place

fourtoe · 2nd December 2009, 06:45 PM

OMG could someone PLEASE make a KSM version of this:

The Specials - Nelson Mandela:

YouTube Video This video is not hosted by the JREF. The JREF can not be held responsible for the suitability or legality of this material. By clicking the link below you agree to view content from an external website.

I AGREE

pickitup pickitup pickitup pickitup!

grandmastershek · 2nd December 2009, 08:34 PM

Originally Posted by matt.tansy

Have any Truthers volunteered to testify on KSM's behalf?

Isn't Bill Smith an expert on being a character witness?

grandmastershek · 2nd December 2009, 08:36 PM

Originally Posted by deep

Sweet.. now I have a connection to Bruce Springsteen.

My condolences.

I used to play at the same place he was famous for playing at in his early days. I must be in on his crappy singing.

Algebra34 · 2nd December 2009, 09:09 PM

smart alecky

That's some debunking.

yuk yuk yuk

Cl1mh4224rd · 2nd December 2009, 10:05 PM

Originally Posted by Algebra34

That's some debunking.

Weird. I thought you knew what that word meant...

29th November 2009, 05:37 PM	#41
Algebra34 Banned Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 637	Originally Posted by Rolfe I mean this in all seriousness, I hope they have better evidence against this guy than they had against al Megrahi for Pan Am 103. The last thing we need is a re-run of that farce. Rolfe. Amen
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29th November 2009, 05:38 PM	#42
BigAl Philosopher Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 5,398	Originally Posted by Algebra34 What evidence? A news interview and a bunch of waterboard sessions? His beliefs? His insanity? Is their something else? Let me know. Here ya' go. The charge sheet that lists everything we think we can prove about what KSM has done to us. 90pages worth. http://www.defenselink.mil/news/Feb2...hargesheet.pdf
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29th November 2009, 05:40 PM	#44
DGM #4 Join Date: May 2007 Location: West of Northshore MA Posts: 14,311	Originally Posted by Algebra34 I don't care if it ties into an inside job as much as you care and hope it won't. I want to hear and see all the evidence available to be heard and seen. How about you? Sounds fine to me. Why do you think I care if he implicates someone on the inside? I just look at the evidence available (and verifiable) and go from there. That's where the TM lost me (and their abysmal knowledge of science)
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29th November 2009, 05:47 PM	#48
Algebra34 Banned Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 637	Originally Posted by DGM Sounds fine to me. Why do you think I care if he implicates someone on the inside? I just look at the evidence available (and verifiable) and go from there. That's where the TM lost me (and their abysmal knowledge of science) Why do I think you care? Maybe from some of your posts here in the 9/11 conspiracy section. In any case I'm glad you are all for all of the evidence available to be presented regardless of who it might or might not implicate. That's all I want as far as this trial goes
Algebra34 Banned Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 637

29th November 2009, 05:55 PM	#54
Algebra34 Banned Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 637	Originally Posted by scott.in.taiwan Why would I care about your opinion on this? You may give me some words of wisdom. They may even make sense. That's unimportant. Dicky G., Doc Steve and the rest of them are strangely silent. WAC can protest Al Gore's new book, but when it comes to innocent people, they do dumb as the dead. Luke what's his name goes to Russia, but who cares about KSM? The only one willing to take a stand is Kevin Barrett and he's nuts. Really, the Truth Movement is the most pathetic political cause I've ever seen. If I have a question it would be this, don't you feel ashamed to be associated with these guys? I don't really see it as political and I'm not directly associated with anyone. It's community service to me. I know for a fact that I have informed both truther and debunker alike on different 9/11 topics. But to this day I am amazed at how some of them are still so uninformed about what they claim to know is truth regardless of what side they come down on. If you would like to discuss something specific about 9/11 I would be glad to. But leave your politics at the door.
Algebra34 Banned Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 637

29th November 2009, 05:38 PM	#43
Scott Sommers Illuminator Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 3,641	Originally Posted by Algebra34 Scott, If there is something specific you would like to discuss with a twoofer I am available. But it better be a discussion. BTW it's seems that you have been "listed" to all the "911 Truth slop since it began". Do you think you are alone? Look around. Why would I care about your opinion on this? You may give me some words of wisdom. They may even make sense. That's unimportant. Dicky G., Doc Steve and the rest of them are strangely silent. WAC can protest Al Gore's new book, but when it comes to innocent people, they do dumb as the dead. Luke what's his name goes to Russia, but who cares about KSM? The only one willing to take a stand is Kevin Barrett and he's nuts. Really, the Truth Movement is the most pathetic political cause I've ever seen. If I have a question it would be this, don't you feel ashamed to be associated with these guys?

29th November 2009, 05:43 PM	#45
9/11 Chewy Defense Banned Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Johnstown, PA Posts: 3,593	Truthers have no shame if KSM is put to death or put in prison for life. They claim he's innocent, then where's their evidence to free him?

29th November 2009, 05:44 PM	#46
Thunder Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Queens Posts: 34,947	I will eat my hat if KSM's opening statement is: "I did not do 9-11. I is a stupid cave-Arab. We cannot fly da planes. 9-11 was done by a consortium of Neo-conservatives, Zionists, Freemasons, and Illuminati reptilians. The evidence is all here on this DVD, called Loose Change"

29th November 2009, 05:45 PM	#47
T.A.M. Keeper of the Kool-Vax Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: The Far East...of Canada Posts: 20,816	Algebra only wants to hear what will promote his skewed pov. If all of the evidence comes out, and it is damning beyond the pale against KSM, he will simply call it faked/forged/planted. We will see (well I won't first hand), if he is not banned by then, what Algebra has to say about the evidence when it is presented in a year or two. TAM

29th November 2009, 05:48 PM	#49
Thunder Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Queens Posts: 34,947	ok folks, who here will pay me $20 to go down to the Federal courthouse wearing a "Investigate 9-11" t-shirt and waving a "Free KSM" sign? any takers? you KNOW I would totally be famous!!!!

29th November 2009, 05:49 PM	#50
TexasJack Penultimate Amazing Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 10,881	Originally Posted by DGM Sounds fine to me. Why do you think I care if he implicates someone on the inside? I just look at the evidence available (and verifiable) and go from there. That's where the TM lost me (and their abysmal knowledge of science) I agree with this completely. I could care less if someone from US government is implicated. However, all the evidence that is available points one way, and if the government can't produce the evidence that BigAl linked to, they're going to look awful silly. Truthers, on the other hand, have a pre-conceived notion of an inside job, and work backwards to justify it.

29th November 2009, 05:50 PM	#51
T.A.M. Keeper of the Kool-Vax Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: The Far East...of Canada Posts: 20,816	Originally Posted by parky76 ok folks, who here will pay me $20 to go down to the Federal courthouse wearing a "Investigate 9-11" t-shirt and waving a "Free KSM" sign? any takers? you KNOW I would totally be famous!!!! While I get your humor, I do not think it would be cool. A lot of the families will be there...leave the vile stomach turning bullcrap to the asswipes in the TM. TAM

29th November 2009, 05:52 PM	#52
Thunder Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Queens Posts: 34,947	Originally Posted by T.A.M. While I get your humor, I do not think it would be cool. A lot of the families will be there...leave the vile stomach turning bullcrap to the asswipes in the TM. yeah, and the FDNY and NYPD would probably kick my ass. oh well, dare to dream. cabernet sauvignon...stop talking.

29th November 2009, 05:55 PM	#53
Thunder Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Queens Posts: 34,947	Originally Posted by dtugg KSM was found with a laptop connecting him to the hijackers. I find it hard to believe that the 9-11 Truth Movement, who have devoted their lives to uncovering the truth about what happened that faithful day, would ignore such evidence.

29th November 2009, 06:02 PM	#55
Scott Sommers Illuminator Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 3,641	Originally Posted by Algebra34 I don't really see it as political and I'm not directly associated with anyone. It's community service to me. I know for a fact that I have informed both truther and debunker alike on different 9/11 topics. But to this day I am amazed at how some of them are still so uninformed about what they claim to know is truth regardless of what side they come down on. If you would like to discuss something specific about 9/11 I would be glad to. But leave your politics at the door. Is this a joke? You claim the US government and its agents kill thousands with top secret weapons, start a war and then frame an innocent man for all this and it's NOT politics. You think anyone could listen to you and not laugh after you say such a thing? Why would bother even posting on a thread with the title The Free KSM Campaign? Why don't you just stick to the threads that talk about energy beams and secret agents. That's where the really useful stuff is being discussed, right?

29th November 2009, 06:04 PM	#56
Thunder Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Queens Posts: 34,947	Originally Posted by Algebra34 If you would like to discuss something specific about 9/11 I would be glad to. But leave your politics at the door. as if 9-11 has NOTHING to do with politics, for the Truthers. that is some funny doo doo.

29th November 2009, 07:11 PM	#57
Redtail Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 9,304	Originally Posted by Algebra34 Why? I ask you what would prove it and you say full disclosure and evidence "might".
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29th November 2009, 07:12 PM	#58
Thunder Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Queens Posts: 34,947	lets say it for the one millionth time: Truthers do NOT care about evidence...or truth. This is about ego, fame, money, fear, martyrdom, and insanity.

29th November 2009, 08:35 PM	#59
Cl1mh4224rd Philosopher Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Pennsylvania, USA Posts: 6,618	Originally Posted by Algebra34 I lied about nothing. Nick Berg was connected to a 9/11 hijacker conspirator supposedly. That's one hell of a tenuous connection. It's like claiming I have a connection to Bruce Springsteen simply because the kid I work with has done some graphic design work for him. While it's technically true in a "six degrees" sort of way, it's hardly significant.

29th November 2009, 09:49 PM	#60
fourtoe Graduate Poster Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Northridge, Ca Posts: 1,015	Originally Posted by Undesired Walrus Surely this suggests that they believe there is some evidence that he was connected to the attacks. After all, you wouldn't say "We don't know how deeply he was involved" about the inexplicable arrest, torture, trial and execution of Trevor McDonald for the Omagh Bombings. I looked into this because I've never heard of this and I found two errors that you might have made: I couldn't find anything about a Trevor McDonald being involved with the Omagh Bombings nor could I find anything about someone being arrested and executed for carrying out the bombings in 1973 and the bombing in 1998. I understand the point you make in bringing this up of course, I just haven't found anything in support of this statement. On another note, I asked Dylan Avery once what he was doing to get KSM out of jail and after he tried to change the topic to ObL he went on to say that he does not think he has enough evidence supporting KSM's innocence.
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1st December 2009, 12:01 AM	#62
Arus808 Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 6,202	still no action from our resident truthers? I would expect they be on the phone; visiting their truther forums taking up donations and the like to protest the trial.
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1st December 2009, 12:16 AM	#63
Undesired Walrus Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: London Posts: 10,884	Originally Posted by Algebra34 What I'm saying is that if KSM and the rest of them are admitting to this crime but think that somehow they are going to prove that being responsible for the murder of innocents is somehow justified, I would hope that this trial will not be allowed to become some avenue to air such nonsense. If they are guilty of the crime then they should just plead guilty and make their final statement when given the opportunity. What I want to know is exactly how they are guilty regardless of what they say or admit to. I want all the details. I want all the evidence that is available to be presented. I don't want some stupid circus trial that reveals nothing new. For what it's worth. I don't like KSM. He's wasting every one's time. And that's what he's trying to turn this trial into. White noise, dead ends, and nonsense. He's full of bull. You presumably believe that KSM was somehow involved, more so than Mr Blogs from 5th Avenue. Can you tell me what evidence you believe connects him to 9/11?
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1st December 2009, 12:21 AM	#64
Undesired Walrus Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: London Posts: 10,884	Originally Posted by Algebra34 What evidence? A news interview and a bunch of waterboard sessions? His beliefs? His insanity? Is their something else? Let me know. So Mr Blogs admits to planning 9/11 and is tortured and you have no problem with him being put on trial for his life? Again, you must presumably therefore think there is some evidence against him, or you would be screaming 'Free KSM!'.
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1st December 2009, 12:25 AM	#65
Undesired Walrus Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: London Posts: 10,884	Originally Posted by knife fight colobus I looked into this because I've never heard of this and I found two errors that you might have made: I couldn't find anything about a Trevor McDonald being involved with the Omagh Bombings nor could I find anything about someone being arrested and executed for carrying out the bombings in 1973 and the bombing in 1998. I understand the point you make in bringing this up of course, I just haven't found anything in support of this statement. It was a hypothetical.
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1st December 2009, 01:23 AM	#66
fourtoe Graduate Poster Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Northridge, Ca Posts: 1,015	Originally Posted by Undesired Walrus It was a hypothetical. Alright, sounds good.
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1st December 2009, 01:55 AM	#67
buka001 Thinker Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Sunny South Africa Posts: 205	I noticed by asking truthers why don't they do anything to defend the innocent KSM? They reply where did we say he was innocent. But by implication there 8 odd years of diatribe basically says he is innocent, because they believe the USG is involved. KSM had nothing to do with thermite, hence believers in thermite demolition of WTC should believe KSM is innocent. KSM had nothing to do with decoy flights at the pentagon, hence CIT should believe he is innocent. And likewise, KSM had nothing to do with funny little white planes and no wreckage at Shankseville, so Dom/Terrorcell should also believe KSM is innocent. Yet all of them just reply saying we never said he was innocent. Of course you all did. The logic of your arguments is screaming that! Its justa pity their self delusions blind their own logic.
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1st December 2009, 02:36 AM	#68
SezMe post-pre-born Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Santa Barbara, CA Posts: 16,369	Originally Posted by T.A.M. Algebra only wants to hear what will promote his skewed pov. If all of the evidence comes out, and it is damning beyond the pale against KSM, he will simply call it faked/forged/planted. My concern is that some evidence may not come out due to security restrictions. If so, this will give the Truthers that out that they didn't see ALL the evidence so we still need a new investigation.

1st December 2009, 02:53 AM	#69
Redtail Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 9,304	Originally Posted by SezMe My concern is that some evidence may not come out due to security restrictions. If so, this will give the Truthers that out that they didn't see ALL the evidence so we still need a new investigation. Even if they see ALL the evidence, odds are they're just going to invent new "evidence" that they didn't see, thus they need a new investigation.
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1st December 2009, 05:20 AM	#70
deep Graduate Poster Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 1,367	Originally Posted by Cl1mh4224rd It's like claiming I have a connection to Bruce Springsteen simply because the kid I work with has done some graphic design work for him. While it's technically true in a "six degrees" sort of way, it's hardly significant. Sweet.. now I have a connection to Bruce Springsteen.
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1st December 2009, 08:48 PM	#71
Brainache Nasty Brutish and Tall Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Knob Hill. Posts: 9,086	Originally Posted by deep Sweet.. now I have a connection to Bruce Springsteen. I've shaken hands with Mikhael Gorbachev, Richard Armitage, Salman Rushdie, Clive James, Lenny Henry and the singer from Faith No More. Talk about connected, I must be the centre of the world!

1st December 2009, 09:02 PM	#72
A W Smith Philosopher Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Central Jersey Posts: 7,031	who do? voo doo? You do! Originally Posted by Brainache I've shaken hands with Mikhael Gorbachev, Richard Armitage, Salman Rushdie, Clive James, Lenny Henry and the singer from Faith No More. Talk about connected, I must be the centre of the world! I was in the studio audience when David letterman shaved on air back when he was with NBC. So I must be connected in some way to his lady stalker Margaret Ray.
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2nd December 2009, 12:17 AM	#73
portlandatheist Master Poster Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 2,111	The simple reality is 1) Regardless of the level of innocence or guilt of KSM, any evidence of an inside job is absolutely pertinent to his trial 2) If Truthers want their evidence to see the light of day, this is the best opportunity they will ever have for their evidence to be evaluated by a court and a jury of peers. This is the best chance ever for the "investigation" they claim they want In light of the above two points, its no surprise that the truthers choose to punt. Stick with youtube videos. Claim that the hijackers are still alive but don't bother to interview their surviving family members or do any other leg work. Your lack of integrity is truly telling. At this point, you can't even claim that your evidence was ignored by the courts because you didn't even bother providing your evidence. Would it hurt you or your movement to provide what evidence you have of an inside job to KSM's defense? Actually it would because it would be laughed away but at the very least, you could claim that you made the attempt. Truly pathetic. Why should anybody take your evidence seriously if even you don't take it seriously?

2nd December 2009, 11:51 AM	#74
Sam.I.Am Illuminator Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Hunting Moose and Squirrel Posts: 4,154	Originally Posted by portlandatheist The simple reality is 1) Regardless of the level of innocence or guilt of KSM, any evidence of an inside job is absolutely pertinent to his trial 2) If Truthers want their evidence to see the light of day, this is the best opportunity they will ever have for their evidence to be evaluated by a court and a jury of peers. This is the best chance ever for the "investigation" they claim they want In light of the above two points, its no surprise that the truthers choose to punt. Stick with youtube videos. Claim that the hijackers are still alive but don't bother to interview their surviving family members or do any other leg work. Your lack of integrity is truly telling. At this point, you can't even claim that your evidence was ignored by the courts because you didn't even bother providing your evidence. Would it hurt you or your movement to provide what evidence you have of an inside job to KSM's defense? Actually it would because it would be laughed away but at the very least, you could claim that you made the attempt. Truly pathetic. Why should anybody take your evidence seriously if even you don't take it seriously? Punt? I think a better analogy would be "Taking a Knee and letting the clock run out". Punting implies moving the ball into the other teams hands.
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2nd December 2009, 02:22 PM	#75
KDLarsen Graduate Poster Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Lord's Posts: 1,940	Niels Harrit threw out an interesting take in a Danish newspapers online debate, where he claimed that there may well be evidence of KSM's involvement in planning a terror attack, but that there was no evidence of that terror attack taking place

2nd December 2009, 08:34 PM	#77
grandmastershek Graduate Poster Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Where you look at a thigh, and blacken an eye... Posts: 1,324	Originally Posted by matt.tansy Have any Truthers volunteered to testify on KSM's behalf? Isn't Bill Smith an expert on being a character witness?
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