Tea Party Platform

tyr_13 · 29th November 2009, 09:50 PM

After trying to read through some of the recent threads on the 'Tea Party' (aka, tea baggers), I became more confused. I'm sure there is a useful discussion to be had somewhere in there, but it's difficult to find where.

What is the 'Tea Party Movement' platform? As far as I was able to tell before, the tea party platform was 'democrats and Obama specifically are bad.'

After some research, I'm beginning to understand that I was fairly right with what their unifying ideology actually is. From reading some of the local tea party pages, it seems that they are basically libertarian, except for when it comes to gay rights, abortion, and religious rights. They call for a lot of the classic libertarian things, like calling for the withdrawal of all US troops from all foreign countries (including allies).

But then I found out that there seem to be several competing tea parties! Oh the joy. For some reason some cites list the Bill of Rights as their platform.

teapartyrevolution.com actually states that the platform is currently being 'refined'. They don't know what they're on about either.

It seems that they do want to reverse Roe vs Wade, are against environmental reform, secure the boarders, education reform, energy indepedence, and something about the 10th amendment. But then it only seems that way. After some more reading, it turns out that they don't even agree on those. Actually it does seem they agree on those, but don't agree they should be in the platform.

Can anyone sort this out? So far, all I'm left with is, 'pick and choose libertarianism and Dems are bad.'

parky76 · 29th November 2009, 09:53 PM

Platform #1.

-it shall be a violation to bring Peppermint tea, to a Tea Party event, for Peppermint tea..is not really tea.

Policenaut · 29th November 2009, 10:02 PM

It seems to broadly be a number of R social stances and Libertarian domestic and foreign policy ideas with free market economics/deregulation. From what I have seen it looks like the second coming of the Ron Paul revolution. If Ron Paul wasn't so old he could almost be the poster child for the TP. If they start talking about the gold standard then we know Paul is secretly pulling the strings.

GreyArea · 29th November 2009, 10:37 PM

Originally Posted by tyr_13

...it seems that they are basically libertarian, except for when it comes to gay rights, abortion, and religious rights.

I wouldn't say they are libertarians at all. They are better described as right-wing populists: http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiw...-wing-rage-the

If you are looking for a platform, gaze in horror at the 1984 Populist Party's platform. (This party name is periodically revived by new groups, but doesn't have too much historical continuity.) You can read the platform at Google Books, in the online pages of Extremism in America: a reader by Lyman Tower Sargent, pages 18-23. It has many similarities to what the Teabaggers are saying, including the weird juxtapositions that are confusing you.

In this case, the populists are not like libertarians because the former like tariffs and oppose gay rights. These planks might not seem to make sense together, but for the kinds of people who still want to live in the 1950's/1850's, both appeal to their sense of future shock.

You'll find similar beliefs in the Constitution Party, although they have a more explicitly Christian emphasis.

cornsail · 29th November 2009, 10:41 PM

It seems very despotic what with Earl Gray and all.

tyr_13 · 30th November 2009, 12:07 PM

Originally Posted by GreyArea

I wouldn't say they are libertarians at all. They are better described as right-wing populists: http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiw...-wing-rage-the

If you are looking for a platform, gaze in horror at the 1984 Populist Party's platform. (This party name is periodically revived by new groups, but doesn't have too much historical continuity.) You can read the platform at Google Books, in the online pages of Extremism in America: a reader by Lyman Tower Sargent, pages 18-23. It has many similarities to what the Teabaggers are saying, including the weird juxtapositions that are confusing you.

In this case, the populists are not like libertarians because the former like tariffs and oppose gay rights. These planks might not seem to make sense together, but for the kinds of people who still want to live in the 1950's/1850's, both appeal to their sense of future shock.

You'll find similar beliefs in the Constitution Party, although they have a more explicitly Christian emphasis.

It seems that I was conflating a survey on how people in Boston's Tea Party self identified with being what they actually were. It's a very stupid, basic mistake on my part.

The Constitution Party is pretty scary, and when a group has a weasel word as it's name, you know you're in for some fun. For those unfamiliar, the 'Constitution' party would be better named the 'anti-Constitution' party.

For the Tea Party I'm still left with the platform of, 'conservatives who hate Obama' more than anything else. It's mighty confusing, but then again, I just started more research into Beck's part in this all.

Vorticity · 30th November 2009, 12:12 PM

Originally Posted by parky76

Platform #1.

-it shall be a violation to bring Peppermint tea, to a Tea Party event, for Peppermint tea..is not really tea.

Platform, the Second:

Big-Endians to be delivered a right flogging.

headscratcher4 · 30th November 2009, 12:20 PM

Platform, the third: the third plank of the platform is always to follow the secend plank but precede the fourth plank.

ponderingturtle · 30th November 2009, 12:25 PM

So which rule(s) are "No Poofters"?

JoeTheJuggler · 30th November 2009, 12:28 PM

From what I've read, it's very similar to Gingrich's "Contract with America".

headscratcher4 · 30th November 2009, 12:30 PM

Originally Posted by JoeTheJuggler

From what I've read, it's very similar to Gingrich's "Contract with America".

Could be wrong, but I believe it is "poofters".

Vorticity · 30th November 2009, 12:31 PM

Originally Posted by headscratcher4

Platform, the third: the third plank of the platform is always to follow the secend plank but precede the fourth plank.

...unless you've got a younger brother who is going out this weekend as the guest of another boy, in which case, collect his note before lunch, put it in your letter after you've had your hair cut, and make sure he moves your third plank down onto the fourth plank for you.

Vorticity · 30th November 2009, 12:34 PM

Originally Posted by ponderingturtle

So which rule(s) are "No Poofers"?

Also: Where do the Jews fit in?

It's not the tenets of a screwball quasi-Libertarian cabal without excessive verbiage about the Jews.

Ah, hang on, there it is:

Quote:

Platform, the Fourth:

The Jews? Right out.

brodski · 30th November 2009, 12:38 PM

Here is their party anthem

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I AGREE

ponderingturtle · 30th November 2009, 12:39 PM

Originally Posted by headscratcher4

Could be wrong, but I believe it is "poofters".

Damn it, I looked it up and then still mistyped it.

JoeTheJuggler · 30th November 2009, 12:43 PM

Originally Posted by headscratcher4

Originally Posted by JoeTheJuggler

From what I've read, it's very similar to Gingrich's "Contract with America".

Could be wrong, but I believe it is "poofters".

I think maybe you quoted the wrong post.

headscratcher4 · 30th November 2009, 01:11 PM

My bad...

cwalner · 30th November 2009, 02:41 PM

Originally Posted by ponderingturtle

So which rule(s) are "No Poofters"?

I'll jump ahead because I am impatiant.

Plank the Sixth. There shall be no 'Plank the Sixth'

cwalner · 30th November 2009, 02:43 PM

Can anybody confirm this.

I have heard that the 'Tea Party' has strong demographic support amongst females aged 4-12.

Vorticity · 30th November 2009, 02:53 PM

Originally Posted by cwalner

Can anybody confirm this.

I have heard that the 'Tea Party' has strong demographic support amongst females aged 4-12.

"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time... with my wee-wee. Wake up sheeple!"

commandlinegamer · 30th November 2009, 03:43 PM

For a speciality tea, I would recommend Twinings Chai. For branded, regular black tea, Punjana and Nambarrie are good brews.

Oh, you were talking politics. Sorry: can't help you there.

tyr_13 · 30th November 2009, 04:08 PM

Originally Posted by commandlinegamer

For a speciality tea, I would recommend Twinings Chai. For branded, regular black tea, Punjana and Nambarrie are good brews.

Oh, you were talking politics. Sorry: can't help you there.

Oh no, I know a bit about the rules of real tea parties! Don't burn the tomo sencha, handled cups are for black teas, if someone hates tea give them chai...

It's the politics I can't understand.

geni · 30th November 2009, 04:42 PM

The tes party mob were originaly manufactured to kill healthcare reform. It is to be expected that beyond that their idiology will be rather defuse.

The Mutha · 1st December 2009, 08:45 AM

What are those of us who are allergic to tea to do?

tyr_13 · 1st December 2009, 08:52 AM

Originally Posted by The Mutha

What are those of us who are allergic to tea to do?

If you are actually allergic to the tea tree leaves themselves, and not common drying or preserving agents, then we have this class of teas called 'herbal' teas. The contain no teas, don't taste like tea, have few if any of the benefits of tea, taste terrible in general, but you can have them. 'Herbal' is a nice way of saying 'isn't anything like'.

Honestly though, pine needle 'tea' and other straight brews (such as golden rod and a few other green plants) can approximate a tea taste or just be good in their own rights. If you're really interested I have some links somewhere I can dig up.

cwalner · 1st December 2009, 09:12 AM

Originally Posted by tyr_13

If you are actually allergic to the tea tree leaves themselves, and not common drying or preserving agents, then we have this class of teas called 'herbal' teas. The contain no teas, don't taste like tea, have few if any of the benefits of tea, taste terrible in general, but you can have them. 'Herbal' is a nice way of saying 'isn't anything like'.

commonly mislabled as 'Tea' in vending machines made by the Sirius Cybernetics Corporation.

The Mutha · 1st December 2009, 09:17 AM

I'm allergic to the tea leaves themselves... Herbal teas are for wimps.

Give me Coke Classic any day! Maybe I'll start a soda/pop/coke party... In the words of Emily Latella "it could happen!"

fishbob · 1st December 2009, 09:19 AM

Originally Posted by tyr_13

the 'Tea Party' (aka, tea baggers),

. . . . I'm sure there is a useful discussion to be had somewhere in there . . . .

Nope. Your assurance would be misplaced.
As far as I can tell, the tea baggers are just incoherently mad about stuff. Suckered in, then disappointed by the religious right / conservative takeover of the Republicans, they are not quite foaming-at-the-mouth mad yet, but well on their way.

commandlinegamer · 1st December 2009, 09:35 AM

Originally Posted by fishbob

As far as I can tell, the tea baggers are just incoherently mad about stuff. Suckered in, then disappointed by the religious right / conservative takeover of the Republicans, they are not quite foaming-at-the-mouth mad yet, but well on their way.

You could do worse than point such people in this direction.

http://www.nicecupofteaandasitdown.com/

MattusMaximus · 1st December 2009, 10:29 AM

Originally Posted by fishbob

Nope. Your assurance would be misplaced.
As far as I can tell, the tea baggers are just incoherently mad about stuff. Suckered in, then disappointed by the religious right / conservative takeover of the Republicans, they are not quite foaming-at-the-mouth mad yet, but well on their way.

I think what is interesting is how these Tea Party nutbags are attempting to take over the structure of the GOP and how the GOP establishment is fighting to keep the "big tent" idea alive. This is really all going to play out in the GOP primaries in the spring, where a number of TP-supported candidates are going up against more moderate candidates supported by the GOP establishment - a perfect example is what's happening in the Florida Senate race.

It'll really be interesting to see what happens in those races where the TP-candidate loses in the GOP primary. My guess is that in at least a few cases the TP-er will run in the general election as an independent, much to the chagrin of the GOP.

Upchurch · 1st December 2009, 11:40 AM

Originally Posted by JoeTheJuggler

I think maybe you quoted the wrong post.

I thought it was a commentary on Gingrich

BenBurch · 1st December 2009, 12:51 PM

I remember fondly when a Tea Party was a civilized thing with white tablecloths, china cups, and buttered scones.

Praktik · 1st December 2009, 12:59 PM

Originally Posted by MattusMaximus

I think what is interesting is how these Tea Party nutbags are attempting to take over the structure of the GOP and how the GOP establishment is fighting to keep the "big tent" idea alive. This is really all going to play out in the GOP primaries in the spring, where a number of TP-supported candidates are going up against more moderate candidates supported by the GOP establishment - a perfect example is what's happening in the Florida Senate race.

It'll really be interesting to see what happens in those races where the TP-candidate loses in the GOP primary. My guess is that in at least a few cases the TP-er will run in the general election as an independent, much to the chagrin of the GOP.

My lord, as if "teabaggers" wasn't great enough already the acronym "TP" also has its humorous connotations.

Really unfortunate name for the movement, but then again - TP is pretty useful for other kinds of "movements" so maybe it'll work out for 'em...

SHAZAM!!

quixotecoyote · 1st December 2009, 01:02 PM

Originally Posted by commandlinegamer

You could do worse than point such people in this direction.

http://www.nicecupofteaandasitdown.com/

My antivirus software objects to this site.

dudalb · 1st December 2009, 04:47 PM

Originally Posted by MattusMaximus

I think what is interesting is how these Tea Party nutbags are attempting to take over the structure of the GOP and how the GOP establishment is fighting to keep the "big tent" idea alive. This is really all going to play out in the GOP primaries in the spring, where a number of TP-supported candidates are going up against more moderate candidates supported by the GOP establishment - a perfect example is what's happening in the Florida Senate race.

It'll really be interesting to see what happens in those races where the TP-candidate loses in the GOP primary. My guess is that in at least a few cases the TP-er will run in the general election as an independent, much to the chagrin of the GOP.

If the TPers do manage to take over the GOP, look for a LOT of Big Contributors to stop contributing. A number of the most prominent Tea Baggers are ranting about the evils of Bankers and Wall Streetas well as Govenrment, and that is not going to thrill a lot of Big Time contributors. They will figure the Baggers are just plain crazy, and the Democrats will be easier to deal with.

tyr_13 · 1st December 2009, 05:03 PM

Originally Posted by dudalb

They will figure the Baggers are just plain crazy,...

I'm thinking they would be right.

I don't really want to label a political movement like that, because I assumed there was a kind of rational or logic that was at least internally consistent, but I can't find it.

daenku32 · 1st December 2009, 06:33 PM

Originally Posted by tyr_13

Can anyone sort this out? So far, all I'm left with is, 'pick and choose libertarianism and Dems are bad.'

The tea party movement as a whole is bunch of Republican discontents who are trying hard to reframe their old Republican rhetoric so that it has at least some internally consistent logic (eg. small non-invasive government & big military & secure borders & bans on gay marriage).

Since such a task is impossible, they have to start dropping some old GOP planks but they cannot agree on which ones should go.

Soseki · 2nd December 2009, 01:47 PM

Originally Posted by parky76

Platform #1.

-it shall be a violation to bring Peppermint tea, to a Tea Party event, for Peppermint tea..is not really tea.

But then, as anarchists everywhere have long known, proper tea is theft.

brodski · 2nd December 2009, 02:57 PM

Originally Posted by Soseki

But then, as anarchists everywhere have long known, proper tea is theft.

Oh dear, are you proud, hon?

Dr Adequate · 5th December 2009, 06:22 AM

Originally Posted by brodski

Oh dear, are you proud, hon?

This is a joke of such scintillating brilliance that only I could have thought of it.

29th November 2009, 09:50 PM	#1
tyr_13 Illuminator Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 3,019	Tea Party Platform After trying to read through some of the recent threads on the 'Tea Party' (aka, tea baggers), I became more confused. I'm sure there is a useful discussion to be had somewhere in there, but it's difficult to find where. What is the 'Tea Party Movement' platform? As far as I was able to tell before, the tea party platform was 'democrats and Obama specifically are bad.' After some research, I'm beginning to understand that I was fairly right with what their unifying ideology actually is. From reading some of the local tea party pages, it seems that they are basically libertarian, except for when it comes to gay rights, abortion, and religious rights. They call for a lot of the classic libertarian things, like calling for the withdrawal of all US troops from all foreign countries (including allies). But then I found out that there seem to be several competing tea parties! Oh the joy. For some reason some cites list the Bill of Rights as their platform. teapartyrevolution.com actually states that the platform is currently being 'refined'. They don't know what they're on about either. It seems that they do want to reverse Roe vs Wade, are against environmental reform, secure the boarders, education reform, energy indepedence, and something about the 10th amendment. But then it only seems that way. After some more reading, it turns out that they don't even agree on those. Actually it does seem they agree on those, but don't agree they should be in the platform. Can anyone sort this out? So far, all I'm left with is, 'pick and choose libertarianism and Dems are bad.'
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29th November 2009, 09:53 PM	#2
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29th November 2009, 10:37 PM	#4
GreyArea Scholar Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 51	Originally Posted by tyr_13 ...it seems that they are basically libertarian, except for when it comes to gay rights, abortion, and religious rights. I wouldn't say they are libertarians at all. They are better described as right-wing populists: http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiw...-wing-rage-the If you are looking for a platform, gaze in horror at the 1984 Populist Party's platform. (This party name is periodically revived by new groups, but doesn't have too much historical continuity.) You can read the platform at Google Books, in the online pages of Extremism in America: a reader by Lyman Tower Sargent, pages 18-23. It has many similarities to what the Teabaggers are saying, including the weird juxtapositions that are confusing you. In this case, the populists are not like libertarians because the former like tariffs and oppose gay rights. These planks might not seem to make sense together, but for the kinds of people who still want to live in the 1950's/1850's, both appeal to their sense of future shock. You'll find similar beliefs in the Constitution Party, although they have a more explicitly Christian emphasis.
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30th November 2009, 12:07 PM	#6
tyr_13 Illuminator Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 3,019	Originally Posted by GreyArea I wouldn't say they are libertarians at all. They are better described as right-wing populists: http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiw...-wing-rage-the If you are looking for a platform, gaze in horror at the 1984 Populist Party's platform. (This party name is periodically revived by new groups, but doesn't have too much historical continuity.) You can read the platform at Google Books, in the online pages of Extremism in America: a reader by Lyman Tower Sargent, pages 18-23. It has many similarities to what the Teabaggers are saying, including the weird juxtapositions that are confusing you. In this case, the populists are not like libertarians because the former like tariffs and oppose gay rights. These planks might not seem to make sense together, but for the kinds of people who still want to live in the 1950's/1850's, both appeal to their sense of future shock. You'll find similar beliefs in the Constitution Party, although they have a more explicitly Christian emphasis. It seems that I was conflating a survey on how people in Boston's Tea Party self identified with being what they actually were. It's a very stupid, basic mistake on my part. The Constitution Party is pretty scary, and when a group has a weasel word as it's name, you know you're in for some fun. For those unfamiliar, the 'Constitution' party would be better named the 'anti-Constitution' party. For the Tea Party I'm still left with the platform of, 'conservatives who hate Obama' more than anything else. It's mighty confusing, but then again, I just started more research into Beck's part in this all.
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30th November 2009, 12:12 PM	#7
Vorticity Fluid Mechanic Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Los Alamos, NM Posts: 1,616	Originally Posted by parky76 Platform #1. -it shall be a violation to bring Peppermint tea, to a Tea Party event, for Peppermint tea..is not really tea. Platform, the Second: Big-Endians to be delivered a right flogging.
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29th November 2009, 10:02 PM	#3
Policenaut Graduate Poster Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Shadow Moses Island Posts: 1,330	It seems to broadly be a number of R social stances and Libertarian domestic and foreign policy ideas with free market economics/deregulation. From what I have seen it looks like the second coming of the Ron Paul revolution. If Ron Paul wasn't so old he could almost be the poster child for the TP. If they start talking about the gold standard then we know Paul is secretly pulling the strings.

29th November 2009, 10:41 PM	#5
cornsail Muse Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: ohio Posts: 615	It seems very despotic what with Earl Gray and all.

30th November 2009, 12:20 PM	#8
headscratcher4 Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: USA Posts: 6,424	Platform, the third: the third plank of the platform is always to follow the secend plank but precede the fourth plank.
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30th November 2009, 12:25 PM	#9
ponderingturtle Orthogonal Vector Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Ossining NY Posts: 18,770	So which rule(s) are "No Poofters"?
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30th November 2009, 12:28 PM	#10
JoeTheJuggler Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: St. Louis Posts: 10,996	From what I've read, it's very similar to Gingrich's "Contract with America".
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30th November 2009, 12:30 PM	#11
headscratcher4 Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: USA Posts: 6,424	Originally Posted by JoeTheJuggler From what I've read, it's very similar to Gingrich's "Contract with America". Could be wrong, but I believe it is "poofters".
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30th November 2009, 12:31 PM	#12
Vorticity Fluid Mechanic Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Los Alamos, NM Posts: 1,616	Originally Posted by headscratcher4 Platform, the third: the third plank of the platform is always to follow the secend plank but precede the fourth plank. ...unless you've got a younger brother who is going out this weekend as the guest of another boy, in which case, collect his note before lunch, put it in your letter after you've had your hair cut, and make sure he moves your third plank down onto the fourth plank for you.
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30th November 2009, 12:34 PM	#13
Vorticity Fluid Mechanic Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Los Alamos, NM Posts: 1,616	Originally Posted by ponderingturtle So which rule(s) are "No Poofers"? Also: Where do the Jews fit in? It's not the tenets of a screwball quasi-Libertarian cabal without excessive verbiage about the Jews. Ah, hang on, there it is: Quote: Platform, the Fourth: The Jews? Right out.
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30th November 2009, 12:39 PM	#15
ponderingturtle Orthogonal Vector Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Ossining NY Posts: 18,770	Originally Posted by headscratcher4 Could be wrong, but I believe it is "poofters". Damn it, I looked it up and then still mistyped it.
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30th November 2009, 12:43 PM	#16
JoeTheJuggler Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: St. Louis Posts: 10,996	Originally Posted by headscratcher4 Originally Posted by JoeTheJuggler From what I've read, it's very similar to Gingrich's "Contract with America". Could be wrong, but I believe it is "poofters". I think maybe you quoted the wrong post.
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30th November 2009, 01:11 PM	#17
headscratcher4 Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: USA Posts: 6,424	My bad...
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30th November 2009, 02:41 PM	#18
cwalner Graduate Poster Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Deepest Darkest Indiana Posts: 1,354	Originally Posted by ponderingturtle So which rule(s) are "No Poofters"? I'll jump ahead because I am impatiant. Plank the Sixth. There shall be no 'Plank the Sixth'
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30th November 2009, 02:43 PM	#19
cwalner Graduate Poster Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Deepest Darkest Indiana Posts: 1,354	Can anybody confirm this. I have heard that the 'Tea Party' has strong demographic support amongst females aged 4-12.
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30th November 2009, 02:53 PM	#20
Vorticity Fluid Mechanic Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Los Alamos, NM Posts: 1,616	Originally Posted by cwalner Can anybody confirm this. I have heard that the 'Tea Party' has strong demographic support amongst females aged 4-12. "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time... with my wee-wee. Wake up sheeple!"
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30th November 2009, 03:43 PM	#21
commandlinegamer Muse Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Scotland Posts: 816	For a speciality tea, I would recommend Twinings Chai. For branded, regular black tea, Punjana and Nambarrie are good brews. Oh, you were talking politics. Sorry: can't help you there.

30th November 2009, 04:08 PM	#22
tyr_13 Illuminator Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 3,019	Originally Posted by commandlinegamer For a speciality tea, I would recommend Twinings Chai. For branded, regular black tea, Punjana and Nambarrie are good brews. Oh, you were talking politics. Sorry: can't help you there. Oh no, I know a bit about the rules of real tea parties! Don't burn the tomo sencha, handled cups are for black teas, if someone hates tea give them chai... It's the politics I can't understand.
tyr_13 Illuminator Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 3,019	__________________ Circled nothing is still nothing. "Nothing will stop the U.S. from being a world leader, not even a handful of adults who want their kids to take science lessons from a book that mentions unicorns six times." -UNLoVedRebel Look at the puppy...the puppy is good.

30th November 2009, 04:42 PM	#23
geni Anti-homeopathy illuminati member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: UK Posts: 20,280	The tes party mob were originaly manufactured to kill healthcare reform. It is to be expected that beyond that their idiology will be rather defuse.

1st December 2009, 08:45 AM	#24
The Mutha Muse Join Date: May 2006 Location: Houston Posts: 651	What are those of us who are allergic to tea to do?

1st December 2009, 08:52 AM	#25
tyr_13 Illuminator Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 3,019	Originally Posted by The Mutha What are those of us who are allergic to tea to do? If you are actually allergic to the tea tree leaves themselves, and not common drying or preserving agents, then we have this class of teas called 'herbal' teas. The contain no teas, don't taste like tea, have few if any of the benefits of tea, taste terrible in general, but you can have them. 'Herbal' is a nice way of saying 'isn't anything like'. Honestly though, pine needle 'tea' and other straight brews (such as golden rod and a few other green plants) can approximate a tea taste or just be good in their own rights. If you're really interested I have some links somewhere I can dig up.
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1st December 2009, 09:12 AM	#26
cwalner Graduate Poster Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Deepest Darkest Indiana Posts: 1,354	Originally Posted by tyr_13 If you are actually allergic to the tea tree leaves themselves, and not common drying or preserving agents, then we have this class of teas called 'herbal' teas. The contain no teas, don't taste like tea, have few if any of the benefits of tea, taste terrible in general, but you can have them. 'Herbal' is a nice way of saying 'isn't anything like'. commonly mislabled as 'Tea' in vending machines made by the Sirius Cybernetics Corporation.
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1st December 2009, 09:17 AM	#27
The Mutha Muse Join Date: May 2006 Location: Houston Posts: 651	I'm allergic to the tea leaves themselves... Herbal teas are for wimps. Give me Coke Classic any day! Maybe I'll start a soda/pop/coke party... In the words of Emily Latella "it could happen!"

1st December 2009, 09:19 AM	#28
fishbob Seasonally Disaffected Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Chilly Undieville Posts: 4,758	Originally Posted by tyr_13 the 'Tea Party' (aka, tea baggers), . . . . I'm sure there is a useful discussion to be had somewhere in there . . . . Nope. Your assurance would be misplaced. As far as I can tell, the tea baggers are just incoherently mad about stuff. Suckered in, then disappointed by the religious right / conservative takeover of the Republicans, they are not quite foaming-at-the-mouth mad yet, but well on their way.
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1st December 2009, 09:35 AM	#29
commandlinegamer Muse Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Scotland Posts: 816	Originally Posted by fishbob As far as I can tell, the tea baggers are just incoherently mad about stuff. Suckered in, then disappointed by the religious right / conservative takeover of the Republicans, they are not quite foaming-at-the-mouth mad yet, but well on their way. You could do worse than point such people in this direction. http://www.nicecupofteaandasitdown.com/

1st December 2009, 10:29 AM	#30
MattusMaximus Intellectual Gladiator Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: In the midst of a vast, beautiful & uncaring universe Posts: 7,123	Originally Posted by fishbob Nope. Your assurance would be misplaced. As far as I can tell, the tea baggers are just incoherently mad about stuff. Suckered in, then disappointed by the religious right / conservative takeover of the Republicans, they are not quite foaming-at-the-mouth mad yet, but well on their way. I think what is interesting is how these Tea Party nutbags are attempting to take over the structure of the GOP and how the GOP establishment is fighting to keep the "big tent" idea alive. This is really all going to play out in the GOP primaries in the spring, where a number of TP-supported candidates are going up against more moderate candidates supported by the GOP establishment - a perfect example is what's happening in the Florida Senate race. It'll really be interesting to see what happens in those races where the TP-candidate loses in the GOP primary. My guess is that in at least a few cases the TP-er will run in the general election as an independent, much to the chagrin of the GOP.
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1st December 2009, 11:40 AM	#31
Upchurch Papa Funkosophy Join Date: May 2002 Location: Funky Town (STL, MO) Posts: 19,555	Originally Posted by JoeTheJuggler I think maybe you quoted the wrong post. I thought it was a commentary on Gingrich

1st December 2009, 12:51 PM	#32
BenBurch Gatekeeper of The Left Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: The Universe 35.2 ms ahead of this one. Posts: 13,785	I remember fondly when a Tea Party was a civilized thing with white tablecloths, china cups, and buttered scones.
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1st December 2009, 12:59 PM	#33
Praktik Master Poster Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,804	Originally Posted by MattusMaximus I think what is interesting is how these Tea Party nutbags are attempting to take over the structure of the GOP and how the GOP establishment is fighting to keep the "big tent" idea alive. This is really all going to play out in the GOP primaries in the spring, where a number of TP-supported candidates are going up against more moderate candidates supported by the GOP establishment - a perfect example is what's happening in the Florida Senate race. It'll really be interesting to see what happens in those races where the TP-candidate loses in the GOP primary. My guess is that in at least a few cases the TP-er will run in the general election as an independent, much to the chagrin of the GOP. My lord, as if "teabaggers" wasn't great enough already the acronym "TP" also has its humorous connotations. Really unfortunate name for the movement, but then again - TP is pretty useful for other kinds of "movements" so maybe it'll work out for 'em... SHAZAM!!
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1st December 2009, 01:02 PM	#34
quixotecoyote Howling to glory I go Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 6,300	Originally Posted by commandlinegamer You could do worse than point such people in this direction. http://www.nicecupofteaandasitdown.com/ My antivirus software objects to this site.
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1st December 2009, 04:47 PM	#35
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 14,451	Originally Posted by MattusMaximus I think what is interesting is how these Tea Party nutbags are attempting to take over the structure of the GOP and how the GOP establishment is fighting to keep the "big tent" idea alive. This is really all going to play out in the GOP primaries in the spring, where a number of TP-supported candidates are going up against more moderate candidates supported by the GOP establishment - a perfect example is what's happening in the Florida Senate race. It'll really be interesting to see what happens in those races where the TP-candidate loses in the GOP primary. My guess is that in at least a few cases the TP-er will run in the general election as an independent, much to the chagrin of the GOP. If the TPers do manage to take over the GOP, look for a LOT of Big Contributors to stop contributing. A number of the most prominent Tea Baggers are ranting about the evils of Bankers and Wall Streetas well as Govenrment, and that is not going to thrill a lot of Big Time contributors. They will figure the Baggers are just plain crazy, and the Democrats will be easier to deal with.

1st December 2009, 05:03 PM	#36
tyr_13 Illuminator Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 3,019	Originally Posted by dudalb They will figure the Baggers are just plain crazy,... I'm thinking they would be right. I don't really want to label a political movement like that, because I assumed there was a kind of rational or logic that was at least internally consistent, but I can't find it.
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