[Merged] Spammer David Mabus / arrested - Page 4

rjh01 · 22nd July 2012, 11:40 PM

Originally Posted by Akhenaten

You're just part of a friendly Pitchfork and Torch Carrying Club that happened to be in the area, right?

It's hardly surprising that your personal definition of stalking doesn't include the behaviour in which you are yourself indulging.

The public documentation is an end result. The stalking is what you do that leads up to you having something to document.

Stalking is OK as long as your victim remains unaware of it?

From your link:

Looks like a duck, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck.

Glad you and I agree that I am not stalking David.

lionking · 22nd July 2012, 11:44 PM

Originally Posted by Malfie Henpox

By threatening his freedom? In public? By stalking him and posting links to the very things you called spam?

Carry on then.

I agree with you Malfie. And for the record, I was threatened by an idiot on this forum. He was banned (more for being an idiot) but I did nothing further because I've lived my life in the belief that people who threaten will never carry out that threat. It's those who don't threaten you to worry about (or not)......

Akhenaten · 22nd July 2012, 11:48 PM

Originally Posted by rjh01

Glad you and I agree that I am not stalking David.

Your happiness is misplaced since it appears to be based on utterly failing to comprehend what my post actually said.

Checkmite · 22nd July 2012, 11:52 PM

Pointing out and/or linking to somebody's public posts in a public forum is not "stalking".

Pointing out that he is engaging in activity which he has been ordered by a court not to engage in is not "threatening his freedom", because he is not legally free to engage in those activities.

Darat · 22nd July 2012, 11:57 PM

Sorry but I can't see how reporting on someone's criminal activities can be considered stalking? Really don't understand where that claim is coming from? Anyone making that claim want to explain their reasoning?

Akhenaten · 23rd July 2012, 12:01 AM

Originally Posted by Checkmite

Pointing out and/or linking to somebody's public posts in a public forum is not "stalking".

Scouring Youtube looking for them is.

Originally Posted by Checkmite

Pointing out that he is engaging in activity which he has been ordered by a court not to engage in is not "threatening his freedom", because he is not legally free to engage in those activities.

Pointing those activities out to the appropriate authorities is reasonable and responsible behaviour.

Posting about them (with links) on a public forum, not so much.

Akhenaten · 23rd July 2012, 12:06 AM

Originally Posted by Darat

Sorry but I can't see how reporting on someone's criminal activities can be considered stalking?

Reporting a crime that one happens to witness or of which one is indeed the victim is the responsible thing to do.

Actively searching for crimes to report is something else.

Checkmite · 23rd July 2012, 12:25 AM

Originally Posted by Akhenaten

Scouring Youtube looking for them is.

Define "scouring YouTube". Searching once? Searching for Mabus's name? Searching the word "skeptic"? Krelnik searching his own name and finding it as a tag on a Mabus-created video perhaps?

Originally Posted by Akhenaten

Pointing those activities out to the appropriate authorities is reasonable and responsible behaviour.

Posting about them (with links) on a public forum, not so much.

What makes it any different from posting about a convention you went to last week? Something being "irresponsible" implies there are potential negative consequences. What might those be in this case?

Krelnik isn't digging for dirt, peeking over his fence, or looking for some kind of innocuous behavior that he can spin as Mabus "violating his sentence"; the violation is blatant and definitive, and public. What's posted to YouTube is accessible and fair game to all.

Akhenaten · 23rd July 2012, 12:42 AM

Originally Posted by Checkmite

Define "scouring YouTube". Searching once? Searching for Mabus's name? Searching the word "skeptic"? Krelnik searching his own name and finding it as a tag on a Mabus-created video perhaps?

None of those things.

Further, I have nothing negative at all to say about Krelnik's activities in relation to this matter and regard him as the obvious and logical point of contact and collator of information relating to Mabus' online activities.

As administrator of a forum which has been targeted by Mabus' I have in fact been party to passing along the appropriate information to Krelnik but not, I hasten to add, by posting the details on a public forum.

Originally Posted by Checkmite

What makes it any different from posting about a convention you went to last week?

A very wide range of factors, although I'd say the targeting of an individual is the biggest difference. If one's post about a recently-attended conference consisted entirely of a report on the activities of a single attendee then I'd have no trouble categorising that as stalkerish behaviour.

Originally Posted by Checkmite

Something being "irresponsible" implies there are potential negative consequences. What might those be in this case?

Becoming indistinguishable from that which we are purporting to oppose.

Orphia Nay · 23rd July 2012, 12:45 AM

rjh01, I think you showed a lack of judgement in posting that video in a public place.

Regards

Orph.

ETA: Ninja'd by a Zombie Mummy!

rjh01 · 23rd July 2012, 01:09 AM

As I am not doing any search for David's name or any variation and it would be hard to make a case that posting about a person's activities in one thread is "obsessive attention" then I do not meet Akhenaten's rather strange definition of stalking. There are other ways of finding David's activities without even trying.

Maybe I should accuse myself of stalking myself as I do a regular search of my own name?

I think at this point I should laugh.

rjh01 · 23rd July 2012, 01:14 AM

Originally Posted by Orphia Nay

rjh01, I think you showed a lack of judgement in posting that video in a public place.

Regards

Orph.

ETA: Ninja'd by a Zombie Mummy!

That is something it is possible to make a case about. However a lack of judgement is not what is being discussed. Stalking is being discussed.

a lack of judgement = a matter of opinion.
Stalking = a possible criminal matter.

krelnik · 23rd July 2012, 11:19 AM

I'm not going to address these ridiculous accusations that we are somehow "stalking" Mabus.

I would like to point out that unless you have actually had to administrate a system that is the target of spam and trolling, you have no idea how many person-hours a determined pest like "Mabus" can waste. He's easily cost the skeptical community thousands of person-hours over the last few years, those are hours of largely unpaid volunteer time that could have been spent on productive efforts but were not, because of one man's trolling.

So I really don't care whether his threats are credible or not. His actions come with a cost, and I would like to mitigate that cost.

If asking a court to enforce an order that Mabus entered into of his own free will is the best way to mitigate that cost, then so be it.

Malfie Henpox · 23rd July 2012, 12:13 PM

I agree somewhat in that you're not stalking the guy. As it appears what you are actually doing is stalking people who you think might be the guy.

Perhaps stalking is too strong a word though. If I substitute it for 'actively seeking the presence of', I think you'd have to agree, wouldn't you? Which seems odd, considering the apparent lengths folk went to to get rid of him. That it's also being done in public seems off to me. But my opinions count for little, I suppose. I'm just a guy on the internet.

Darat · 23rd July 2012, 12:20 PM

Originally Posted by Akhenaten

Reporting a crime that one happens to witness or of which one is indeed the victim is the responsible thing to do.

Actively searching for crimes to report is something else.

That may well be but I don't see how you conclude that behaviour can be called stalking - "busybody" would be the most derogatory descriptor I could think of!

Akhenaten · 23rd July 2012, 04:31 PM

Originally Posted by krelnik

I'm not going to address these ridiculous accusations that we are somehow "stalking" Mabus.

It appears that you are.

Originally Posted by krelnik

I would like to point out that unless you have actually had to administrate a system that is the target of spam and trolling, you have no idea how many person-hours a determined pest like "Mabus" can waste.

As mentioned above, I am in that positition.

Originally Posted by krelnik

He's easily cost the skeptical community thousands of person-hours over the last few years, those are hours of largely unpaid volunteer time that could have been spent on productive efforts but were not, because of one man's trolling.

One copes.

Originally Posted by krelnik

So I really don't care whether his threats are credible or not. His actions come with a cost, and I would like to mitigate that cost.

OK.

Originally Posted by krelnik

If asking a court to enforce an order that Mabus entered into of his own free will is the best way to mitigate that cost, then so be it.

Has anyone here suggested otherwise?

Akhenaten · 23rd July 2012, 04:32 PM

Originally Posted by Darat

That may well be but I don't see how you conclude that behaviour can be called stalking - "busybody" would be the most derogatory descriptor I could think of!

Seems apt. I'll use that in future.

Orphia Nay · 24th July 2012, 03:08 AM

I'm not sure it's wise having this thread in a public forum.

I am Bigfoot · 24th July 2012, 06:14 AM

I think it is 10000000% reasonable to have a way to inform people about a guy who threatened to behead them and countless others.

Is it a little bit of an invasion of his privacy. Mmmmmaybe... But he is a violent man who's privacy is only being violated (if one wishes to think of it that way) because he is now breaking the law.

So let's check out the math here...

There is a potentially violent person with no indication that he cares about the law or how his actions might affect others (i.e. that whole threat making thing).

So we should just...let him be.

Akhenaten · 24th July 2012, 06:36 AM

Originally Posted by I am Bigfoot

I think it is 10000000% reasonable to have a way to inform people about a guy who threatened to behead them and countless others.

Is it a little bit of an invasion of his privacy. Mmmmmaybe... But he is a violent man who's privacy is only being violated (if one wishes to think of it that way) because he is now breaking the law.

So let's check out the math here...

There is a potentially violent person with no indication that he cares about the law or how his actions might affect others (i.e. that whole threat making thing).

So we should just...let him be.

That's some mighty fine hyperbole you have going there.

I think the "10000000%" was my favourite part.

I am Bigfoot · 24th July 2012, 06:52 AM

Originally Posted by Akhenaten

That's some mighty fine hyperbole you have going there.

I think the "10000000%" was my favourite part.

Ok fine. 100%

But that's some mighty fine ignoring the rest of what I said. Keep it up.

ETA:
I retract my 100% and go back to my 10000000%. We have a person known to have no regard for the well-being of others, has threatened people, and seems to be easing back into his disturbed state again. I think it would be a pretty high priority to keep track of him. You can whine about hyperbole if you want, but I don't see how "hey that guy that wants to cut off your head is going back to his old ways" is in any way improper and could potentially save someone's life.

Akhenaten · 24th July 2012, 06:58 AM

Originally Posted by I am Bigfoot

Ok fine. 100%

But that's some mighty fine ignoring the rest of what I said. Keep it up.

No worries. Consider it done.

I am Bigfoot · 24th July 2012, 07:02 AM

Originally Posted by Akhenaten

No worries. Consider it done.

I'm glad you agree that you're wrong.

krelnik · 24th July 2012, 09:34 AM

Edited by Tricky:

Edited for rule 12.

Orphia Nay · 5th August 2012, 02:52 AM

I think krelnik took the wrong end of the stick, unusually.

Andysnat · 6th August 2012, 09:41 PM

Could somebody explain why a post I made here has been automatically moved? and to where?

Drs_Res · 6th August 2012, 09:57 PM

Originally Posted by Andysnat

Could somebody explain why a post I made here has been automatically moved? and to where?

The where I can answer, it's here: http://forums.randi.org/showthread.p...87#post8512087

Alareth · 7th August 2012, 11:26 AM

Mabus is working the comments over at FreeThoughtBlogs this afternoon

http://freethoughtblogs.com/dispatch...comment-135005

Vic Vega · 8th August 2012, 02:01 PM

Originally Posted by lionking

I did nothing further because I've lived my life in the belief that people who threaten will never carry out that threat.

That sounds like a potentially dangerous belief. There are many people who will absolutely follow through on their threats. I've known some people like that in my life.

I think you are lucky to never have been threatened by one of them.

krelnik · 8th August 2012, 08:02 PM

There may be news on the Mabus front in the next few days. I will post something as soon as I have it, we are waiting to hear back from the police.

Ironically today is the one year anniversary of the blog post that started it all. (It was a chain of events set off by that blog which ultimately ended in his arrest).

Wildy · 20th August 2012, 08:17 AM

Has there been any new news?

Rrose Selavy · 21st August 2012, 09:27 AM

He's still posting over at the comments on FTB. Goading Randi.

http://freethoughtblogs.com/cristina.../#comment-2931

Croydon Bob · 23rd August 2012, 08:49 AM

An interesting post appeared here on 28 July:

http://www.congregationofrealists.or...11699a544129ce

The poster specifically claims to be "Not Dennis Markuze - but a FAN!" I am skeptical of the idea that he has a fan.

Alareth · 23rd August 2012, 09:22 AM

We are waiting for a new article in the Montreal Gazette about the relevant authorities lack of action in enforcing the restrictions of his parole. It was supposed to be out a week ago but is apparently being held up by lawyers.

krelnik · 23rd August 2012, 11:05 AM

Yeah, the latest on that is the police told the paper they had gotten corrected information about what restrictions Mabus is under during his plea, so I think the paper is holding off publishing until they can act on that.

In other words, we are in "wait and see" mode again.

Laton · 23rd August 2012, 03:24 PM

Just arrived over on the Straight Dope as well

*edited to removed link as he's been ID'd & the thread removed*

DrDave · 24th August 2012, 01:51 AM

Originally Posted by Croydon Bob

An interesting post appeared here on 28 July:

http://www.congregationofrealists.or...11699a544129ce

The poster specifically claims to be "Not Dennis Markuze - but a FAN!" I am skeptical of the idea that he has a fan.

I like the idea. Committing crimes and stating at the time "I'm not DrDave - just a fan"

What police force would suspect me after that?!

Croydon Bob · 24th August 2012, 02:41 AM

Originally Posted by DrDave

I like the idea. Committing crimes and stating at the time "I'm not DrDave - just a fan"

What police force would suspect me after that?!

Kirk Douglas leaps up and says: "It wasn't me, I'm not Sparticus, I'm just a fan."

Not quite so heroic.

[disclaimer: of course I don't know that it really was Markuze]

bindeweede · 24th August 2012, 02:54 AM

A Mabus-style post appeared last night on the ASF and the tiny Skeps forum. Nothing threatening, just the usual Nostradamus/atheists/list of Youtube links.

DrDave · 24th August 2012, 02:57 AM

Originally Posted by bindeweede

A Mabus-style post appeared last night on the ASF and the tiny Skeps forum. Nothing threatening, just the usual Nostradamus/atheists/list of Youtube links.

Probably another fan...

22nd July 2012, 11:40 PM	#121
rjh01 Gentleman of leisure Tagger Join Date: May 2005 Location: Planet Earth Posts: 17,187	Originally Posted by Akhenaten You're just part of a friendly Pitchfork and Torch Carrying Club that happened to be in the area, right? It's hardly surprising that your personal definition of stalking doesn't include the behaviour in which you are yourself indulging. The public documentation is an end result. The stalking is what you do that leads up to you having something to document. Stalking is OK as long as your victim remains unaware of it? From your link: Looks like a duck, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck. Glad you and I agree that I am not stalking David.
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22nd July 2012, 11:44 PM	#122
lionking In the Peanut Gallery Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Melbourne Posts: 29,654	Originally Posted by Malfie Henpox By threatening his freedom? In public? By stalking him and posting links to the very things you called spam? Carry on then. I agree with you Malfie. And for the record, I was threatened by an idiot on this forum. He was banned (more for being an idiot) but I did nothing further because I've lived my life in the belief that people who threaten will never carry out that threat. It's those who don't threaten you to worry about (or not)......
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22nd July 2012, 11:48 PM	#123
Akhenaten Heretic Pharaoh Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Pi-Broadford, Australia Posts: 24,666	Originally Posted by rjh01 Glad you and I agree that I am not stalking David. Your happiness is misplaced since it appears to be based on utterly failing to comprehend what my post actually said.
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22nd July 2012, 11:52 PM	#124
Checkmite Skepticifimisticalationist Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Third in line Posts: 14,883	Pointing out and/or linking to somebody's public posts in a public forum is not "stalking". Pointing out that he is engaging in activity which he has been ordered by a court not to engage in is not "threatening his freedom", because he is not legally free to engage in those activities.
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22nd July 2012, 11:57 PM	#125
Darat Lackey Administrator / JREF Forum Liaison Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: South East, UK Posts: 64,783	Sorry but I can't see how reporting on someone's criminal activities can be considered stalking? Really don't understand where that claim is coming from? Anyone making that claim want to explain their reasoning?
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23rd July 2012, 12:01 AM	#126
Akhenaten Heretic Pharaoh Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Pi-Broadford, Australia Posts: 24,666	Originally Posted by Checkmite Pointing out and/or linking to somebody's public posts in a public forum is not "stalking". Scouring Youtube looking for them is. Originally Posted by Checkmite Pointing out that he is engaging in activity which he has been ordered by a court not to engage in is not "threatening his freedom", because he is not legally free to engage in those activities. Pointing those activities out to the appropriate authorities is reasonable and responsible behaviour. Posting about them (with links) on a public forum, not so much.
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23rd July 2012, 12:06 AM	#127
Akhenaten Heretic Pharaoh Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Pi-Broadford, Australia Posts: 24,666	Originally Posted by Darat Sorry but I can't see how reporting on someone's criminal activities can be considered stalking? Reporting a crime that one happens to witness or of which one is indeed the victim is the responsible thing to do. Actively searching for crimes to report is something else.
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23rd July 2012, 12:25 AM	#128
Checkmite Skepticifimisticalationist Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Third in line Posts: 14,883	Originally Posted by Akhenaten Scouring Youtube looking for them is. Define "scouring YouTube". Searching once? Searching for Mabus's name? Searching the word "skeptic"? Krelnik searching his own name and finding it as a tag on a Mabus-created video perhaps? Originally Posted by Akhenaten Pointing those activities out to the appropriate authorities is reasonable and responsible behaviour. Posting about them (with links) on a public forum, not so much. What makes it any different from posting about a convention you went to last week? Something being "irresponsible" implies there are potential negative consequences. What might those be in this case? Krelnik isn't digging for dirt, peeking over his fence, or looking for some kind of innocuous behavior that he can spin as Mabus "violating his sentence"; the violation is blatant and definitive, and public. What's posted to YouTube is accessible and fair game to all.
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23rd July 2012, 12:42 AM	#129
Akhenaten Heretic Pharaoh Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Pi-Broadford, Australia Posts: 24,666	Originally Posted by Checkmite Define "scouring YouTube". Searching once? Searching for Mabus's name? Searching the word "skeptic"? Krelnik searching his own name and finding it as a tag on a Mabus-created video perhaps? None of those things. Further, I have nothing negative at all to say about Krelnik's activities in relation to this matter and regard him as the obvious and logical point of contact and collator of information relating to Mabus' online activities. As administrator of a forum which has been targeted by Mabus' I have in fact been party to passing along the appropriate information to Krelnik but not, I hasten to add, by posting the details on a public forum. Originally Posted by Checkmite What makes it any different from posting about a convention you went to last week? A very wide range of factors, although I'd say the targeting of an individual is the biggest difference. If one's post about a recently-attended conference consisted entirely of a report on the activities of a single attendee then I'd have no trouble categorising that as stalkerish behaviour. Originally Posted by Checkmite Something being "irresponsible" implies there are potential negative consequences. What might those be in this case? Becoming indistinguishable from that which we are purporting to oppose.
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23rd July 2012, 12:45 AM	#130
Orphia Nay Penguilicious Spodmaster. Tagger Join Date: May 2005 Location: Ponylandistan Presidential Palace (above the Spods' stables). Posts: 28,371	rjh01, I think you showed a lack of judgement in posting that video in a public place. Regards Orph. ETA: Ninja'd by a Zombie Mummy!
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23rd July 2012, 01:09 AM	#131
rjh01 Gentleman of leisure Tagger Join Date: May 2005 Location: Planet Earth Posts: 17,187	As I am not doing any search for David's name or any variation and it would be hard to make a case that posting about a person's activities in one thread is "obsessive attention" then I do not meet Akhenaten's rather strange definition of stalking. There are other ways of finding David's activities without even trying. Maybe I should accuse myself of stalking myself as I do a regular search of my own name? I think at this point I should laugh.
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23rd July 2012, 01:14 AM	#132
rjh01 Gentleman of leisure Tagger Join Date: May 2005 Location: Planet Earth Posts: 17,187	Originally Posted by Orphia Nay rjh01, I think you showed a lack of judgement in posting that video in a public place. Regards Orph. ETA: Ninja'd by a Zombie Mummy! That is something it is possible to make a case about. However a lack of judgement is not what is being discussed. Stalking is being discussed. a lack of judgement = a matter of opinion. Stalking = a possible criminal matter.
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23rd July 2012, 11:19 AM	#133
krelnik Graduate Poster Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Atlanta, Georgia Posts: 1,185	I'm not going to address these ridiculous accusations that we are somehow "stalking" Mabus. I would like to point out that unless you have actually had to administrate a system that is the target of spam and trolling, you have no idea how many person-hours a determined pest like "Mabus" can waste. He's easily cost the skeptical community thousands of person-hours over the last few years, those are hours of largely unpaid volunteer time that could have been spent on productive efforts but were not, because of one man's trolling. So I really don't care whether his threats are credible or not. His actions come with a cost, and I would like to mitigate that cost. If asking a court to enforce an order that Mabus entered into of his own free will is the best way to mitigate that cost, then so be it.
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23rd July 2012, 12:13 PM	#134
Malfie Henpox Banned Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Manchester, UK Posts: 3,812	I agree somewhat in that you're not stalking the guy. As it appears what you are actually doing is stalking people who you think might be the guy. Perhaps stalking is too strong a word though. If I substitute it for 'actively seeking the presence of', I think you'd have to agree, wouldn't you? Which seems odd, considering the apparent lengths folk went to to get rid of him. That it's also being done in public seems off to me. But my opinions count for little, I suppose. I'm just a guy on the internet.

23rd July 2012, 12:20 PM	#135
Darat Lackey Administrator / JREF Forum Liaison Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: South East, UK Posts: 64,783	Originally Posted by Akhenaten Reporting a crime that one happens to witness or of which one is indeed the victim is the responsible thing to do. Actively searching for crimes to report is something else. That may well be but I don't see how you conclude that behaviour can be called stalking - "busybody" would be the most derogatory descriptor I could think of!
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23rd July 2012, 04:31 PM	#136
Akhenaten Heretic Pharaoh Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Pi-Broadford, Australia Posts: 24,666	Originally Posted by krelnik I'm not going to address these ridiculous accusations that we are somehow "stalking" Mabus. It appears that you are. Originally Posted by krelnik I would like to point out that unless you have actually had to administrate a system that is the target of spam and trolling, you have no idea how many person-hours a determined pest like "Mabus" can waste. As mentioned above, I am in that positition. Originally Posted by krelnik He's easily cost the skeptical community thousands of person-hours over the last few years, those are hours of largely unpaid volunteer time that could have been spent on productive efforts but were not, because of one man's trolling. One copes. Originally Posted by krelnik So I really don't care whether his threats are credible or not. His actions come with a cost, and I would like to mitigate that cost. OK. Originally Posted by krelnik If asking a court to enforce an order that Mabus entered into of his own free will is the best way to mitigate that cost, then so be it. Has anyone here suggested otherwise?
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23rd July 2012, 04:32 PM	#137
Akhenaten Heretic Pharaoh Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Pi-Broadford, Australia Posts: 24,666	Originally Posted by Darat That may well be but I don't see how you conclude that behaviour can be called stalking - "busybody" would be the most derogatory descriptor I could think of! Seems apt. I'll use that in future.
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24th July 2012, 03:08 AM	#138
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24th July 2012, 06:14 AM	#139
I am Bigfoot Critical Thinker Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 307	I think it is 10000000% reasonable to have a way to inform people about a guy who threatened to behead them and countless others. Is it a little bit of an invasion of his privacy. Mmmmmaybe... But he is a violent man who's privacy is only being violated (if one wishes to think of it that way) because he is now breaking the law. So let's check out the math here... There is a potentially violent person with no indication that he cares about the law or how his actions might affect others (i.e. that whole threat making thing). So we should just...let him be.

24th July 2012, 06:36 AM	#140
Akhenaten Heretic Pharaoh Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Pi-Broadford, Australia Posts: 24,666	Originally Posted by I am Bigfoot I think it is 10000000% reasonable to have a way to inform people about a guy who threatened to behead them and countless others. Is it a little bit of an invasion of his privacy. Mmmmmaybe... But he is a violent man who's privacy is only being violated (if one wishes to think of it that way) because he is now breaking the law. So let's check out the math here... There is a potentially violent person with no indication that he cares about the law or how his actions might affect others (i.e. that whole threat making thing). So we should just...let him be. That's some mighty fine hyperbole you have going there. I think the "10000000%" was my favourite part.
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24th July 2012, 06:52 AM	#141
I am Bigfoot Critical Thinker Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 307	Originally Posted by Akhenaten That's some mighty fine hyperbole you have going there. I think the "10000000%" was my favourite part. Ok fine. 100% But that's some mighty fine ignoring the rest of what I said. Keep it up. ETA: I retract my 100% and go back to my 10000000%. We have a person known to have no regard for the well-being of others, has threatened people, and seems to be easing back into his disturbed state again. I think it would be a pretty high priority to keep track of him. You can whine about hyperbole if you want, but I don't see how "hey that guy that wants to cut off your head is going back to his old ways" is in any way improper and could potentially save someone's life.
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24th July 2012, 06:58 AM	#142
Akhenaten Heretic Pharaoh Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Pi-Broadford, Australia Posts: 24,666	Originally Posted by I am Bigfoot Ok fine. 100% But that's some mighty fine ignoring the rest of what I said. Keep it up. No worries. Consider it done.
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24th July 2012, 07:02 AM	#143
I am Bigfoot Critical Thinker Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 307	Originally Posted by Akhenaten No worries. Consider it done. I'm glad you agree that you're wrong.

5th August 2012, 02:52 AM	#145
Orphia Nay Penguilicious Spodmaster. Tagger Join Date: May 2005 Location: Ponylandistan Presidential Palace (above the Spods' stables). Posts: 28,371	I think krelnik took the wrong end of the stick, unusually.
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6th August 2012, 09:41 PM	#146
Andysnat New Blood Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 10	Could somebody explain why a post I made here has been automatically moved? and to where?
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6th August 2012, 09:57 PM	#147
Drs_Res NWO Acorn Hoarder Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: N 34 3 8 / W 118 14 33 Posts: 1,829	Originally Posted by Andysnat Could somebody explain why a post I made here has been automatically moved? and to where? The where I can answer, it's here: http://forums.randi.org/showthread.p...87#post8512087
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7th August 2012, 11:26 AM	#148
Alareth Expert Expertologist Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Florida Posts: 6,679	Mabus is working the comments over at FreeThoughtBlogs this afternoon http://freethoughtblogs.com/dispatch...comment-135005
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8th August 2012, 02:01 PM	#149
Vic Vega Graduate Poster Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: The Cradle of Liberty Posts: 1,075	Originally Posted by lionking I did nothing further because I've lived my life in the belief that people who threaten will never carry out that threat. That sounds like a potentially dangerous belief. There are many people who will absolutely follow through on their threats. I've known some people like that in my life. I think you are lucky to never have been threatened by one of them.
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8th August 2012, 08:02 PM	#150
krelnik Graduate Poster Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Atlanta, Georgia Posts: 1,185	There may be news on the Mabus front in the next few days. I will post something as soon as I have it, we are waiting to hear back from the police. Ironically today is the one year anniversary of the blog post that started it all. (It was a chain of events set off by that blog which ultimately ended in his arrest).
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20th August 2012, 08:17 AM	#151
Wildy Adelaidean Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Australia, not that you'll read the "location" field. Posts: 9,922	Has there been any new news?
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21st August 2012, 09:27 AM	#152
Rrose Selavy Stranded in Sub-Atomica Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: UK Posts: 2,924	He's still posting over at the comments on FTB. Goading Randi. http://freethoughtblogs.com/cristina.../#comment-2931
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23rd August 2012, 08:49 AM	#153
Croydon Bob Critical Thinker Join Date: May 2012 Location: Croydon! Posts: 468	An interesting post appeared here on 28 July: http://www.congregationofrealists.or...11699a544129ce The poster specifically claims to be "Not Dennis Markuze - but a FAN!" I am skeptical of the idea that he has a fan.
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23rd August 2012, 09:22 AM	#154
Alareth Expert Expertologist Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Florida Posts: 6,679	We are waiting for a new article in the Montreal Gazette about the relevant authorities lack of action in enforcing the restrictions of his parole. It was supposed to be out a week ago but is apparently being held up by lawyers.
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23rd August 2012, 11:05 AM	#155
krelnik Graduate Poster Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Atlanta, Georgia Posts: 1,185	Yeah, the latest on that is the police told the paper they had gotten corrected information about what restrictions Mabus is under during his plea, so I think the paper is holding off publishing until they can act on that. In other words, we are in "wait and see" mode again.
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23rd August 2012, 03:24 PM	#156
Laton Critical Thinker Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 263	Just arrived over on the Straight Dope as well edited to removed link as he's been ID'd & the thread removed
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