9/11 Conspiracy and its connections to the alleged Global Warming Conspiracy

[T.A.M.]

Ok, this thread is for bill and others to make the arguments for and against the connection between the USG carrying out the attacks of 9/11, and the alleged lie made by the scientific community (and others) who make the argument that man is significantly contributing to Global Warming.

and....go

[Thunder]

the merging of 9-11 truthers and Global Warming deniers is highly...convenient.

[T.A.M.]

Here is my problem with it. If I am reading this right, bill is saying that the same people who carried out 9/11 to go get the middle east oil, are also perpetuating a lie that Global Warming is caused by Fossil Fuel use.

WHY??? Why would they do that? What am I missing?

TAM

[Furcifer]

Originally Posted by parky76

the merging of 9-11 truthers and Global Warming deniers is highly...convenient.

I'm going to come right out and say Big Foot is responsible for both

[Bluesky]

Originally Posted by T.A.M.

Here is my problem with it. If I am reading this right, bill is saying that the same people who carried out 9/11 to go get the middle east oil, are also perpetuating a lie that Global Warming is caused by Fossil Fuel use.

WHY??? Why would they do that? What am I missing?

TAM

You are missing your brain.!

[tuc0]

Originally Posted by T.A.M.

Here is my problem with it. If I am reading this right, bill is saying that the same people who carried out 9/11 to go get the middle east oil, are also perpetuating a lie that Global Warming is caused by Fossil Fuel use.

WHY??? Why would they do that? What am I missing?

TAM

The way I understood him was that they're both examples of a lie so big and bold the sheeple can't imagine how it could be a lie. He didn't say anything about the lies being from the same source (but he probably does believe that; at least if he read it on some CT site that tells him what to think). I hope he comes here to explain.

[Edx]

Heres the greatest contradiction for truthers also being AGW deniers.

Truthers claim the government can control the media, any media and espeically FOX news down to the last detail.

And yet people like FOX news are AGW deniers! So we have truthers end up believing that the government wont use their almighty powers to make their media agree with the AGW scientists.

[Horatius]

Originally Posted by 3bodyproblem

I'm going to come right out and say Big Foot is responsible for both

I couldn't draw a good bigfoot (did you see my attempt at a Wookie?)

Originally Posted by Horatius

http://static.stripgenerator.com/gen...d-disorder.png

[Scott Sommers]

I don't know about Bill or whatever other Truth gumbis post here. I read all the crazies and am a covert member of these new radical groups. Many of them argument that the NWO is capable of weather control. The weather is alread being manipulated and as result, any weather change we see is the product of NWO population control programs.

[angrysoba]

That's easy, that is!

Right, the NWO went to war to get all the oil and gas from Iraq and Afghanistan so they can put it all in a bag barrell, then they'll tell everyone that it's evil to use the oil from the big barrell and Dick Cheney will park his wheelchair on top of it and threaten to shoot - in the face! - anyone who uses it. So all the poor people will die from no heating when global cooling reaches ice age temperatures and meanwhile the NWO will be driving around in SUVs happy that they have caused 5 billion people to die of the cold, and swine flu and Gulf War Syndrome which they made, in a lab. And everyone's got microchips in them too.[/twoof]

BTW, Horatius, I like the cartoon. Can I steal it?

[Horatius]

Originally Posted by angrysoba

BTW, Horatius, I like the cartoon. Can I steal it?

If by "steal" you mean use in other fora with proper attribution, sure, go ahead! Send me link if you do, please!

[ozeco41]

Originally Posted by T.A.M.

Ok, this thread is for bill and others to make the arguments for and against the connection between the USG carrying out the attacks of 9/11, and the alleged lie made by the scientific community (and others) who make the argument that man is significantly contributing to Global Warming.

and....go

The parallel/analogy is in the processes that they use, not necessarily the same persons.

You should also include "Creationists" (Or "Intelligent Designers")

The techniques are much the same. Just a few examples:

The "global false dichotomy":
"You cannot prove there wasn't thermate on site THEREFORE demolition"
"You cannot [yet] show how it evolved THEREFORE Goddidit."

The "reversal of burden of proof":
"The security was reduced so you prove it wasn't demolition".

(Note: That example also asks "prove a negative" and it uses only one alleged true fact which is potentially the first of a near infinite series - so prove one wrong and "they" rebound with another as infinitum/nauseum)

The "beg the questions" a la "have you stopped beating your wife" style.

etc etc

We should write up catalogue then we could answer in shorthand. Paragraph by paragraph

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7 version b

[angrysoba]

Originally Posted by Horatius

If by "steal" you mean use in other fora with proper attribution, sure, go ahead! Send me link if you do, please!

Thanks, here you go:

http://angrysoba.blogspot.com/2009/1...onspiracy.html

[T.A.M.]

Originally Posted by Bluesky

You are missing your brain.!

prove it.

TAM

[grandmastershek]

Originally Posted by T.A.M.

What am I missing?

TAM

a lobotomy?

[bill smith]

As we all know the media have traditionally only shown the government side of the 9/11 story. Currently, through the growth and sheer persistence of the Truth Movement they have been forced to pay a little lip service to our views.

A parallel to this in the GW debate can be seen in these links. These articles were published.....but who among you has ever heard this shattering information ? Do you see it on TV or read it in the Washington Post ? Did it make headlines- an utter bombshell like this ? It was released interestingly on the eve of the Copenhagen conference. Read the comments in the Telegraph article.

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/ja...lobal-warming/ Climategate

http://www.examiner.com/x-28973-Esse...n-temperatures

[tuc0]

Come on, Bill. This is pretty weak stuff there. I admit the "growth and sheer persistence of the Truth Movement" line is pretty funny but it's also nothing new. I was hoping for a more thorough analysis of the Big Lie.

[dafydd]

Originally Posted by tuc0

Come on, Bill. This is pretty weak stuff there. I admit the "growth and sheer persistence of the Truth Movement" line is pretty funny but it's also nothing new. I was hoping for a more thorough analysis of the Big Lie.

Analysis? Some hope. I'm still waiting to hear bill's exact theory about what happened on 9/11.Something tells me that I'll be waiting a long time.

[tuc0]

Originally Posted by dafydd

Analysis? Some hope. I'm still waiting to hear bill's exact theory about what happened on 9/11.Something tells me that I'll be waiting a long time.

I'm obviously just fishing for Stundies here, but in this post bill claimed that he would like to bring the Light of Truth about AGW and 9/11 to the masses. So far that light is pretty dim and disappointing.

[bardamu]

Originally Posted by Horatius

I couldn't draw a good bigfoot (did you see my attempt at a Wookie?)

It looks like you fell for the peak oil scam.

[dafydd]

Originally Posted by tuc0

I'm obviously just fishing for Stundies here, but in this post bill claimed that he would like to bring the Light of Truth about AGW and 9/11 to the masses. So far that light is pretty dim and disappointing.

Still waiting for these "grand scale" revelations from bill.

[Horatius]

Originally Posted by bardamu

It looks like you fell for the peak oil scam.

?


Can someone explain this to me? How does making a comic laughing at CT contradictions mean anything about me falling for "the peak oil scam"?

[dafydd]

Originally Posted by bardamu

It looks like you fell for the peak oil scam.

I'm still waiting for you to expound your theory too.Is it the same as bill's?

[cornsail]

Originally Posted by bill smith

As we all know the media have traditionally only shown the government side of the 9/11 story. Currently, through the growth and sheer persistence of the Truth Movement they have been forced to pay a little lip service to our views.

If that's true why is Fox News not covering 9/11 truth? Why has the media covered AGW-denial viewpoints very prevalently in the past? Why did the Bush administration reject AGW?

[bill smith]

Originally Posted by cornsail

If that's true why is Fox News not covering 9/11 truth? Why has the media covered AGW-denial viewpoints very prevalently in the past? Why did the Bush administration reject AGW?

Have you seen this documentary on FOX ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BeY8o...eature=related Part 1/8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKWA9...eature=related Part 2/8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGj-g...eature=related Part 3/8

No ?

Have you seen coverage on FOX of this very explosive revelation of only a few days ago ? This should be the rage of the airwaves right now if the whole thing wasn't as crooked as a dog's hind leg..

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/ja...lobal-warming/ Climategate

http://www.examiner.com/x-28973-Esse...n-temperatures

No ?

Now you know why FOX doesn't expose 9/11. But they do like to look like they oppose government measures sometimes.

An argument that used to be put up was that there was no real money for climate control to be interesting for governments. lol...

Small countries have been offered 100 bilion dollars up to 2020 to go along but they say they need 200 billion a year. No money ? lol


I notice that Al Gore wants to have another climate conference as soon as possible. He suggests Mexico City in July. Ai,Yai Caramba....now that's hot. How stupid and transparent can they be. How stupid do they think we are ?I kid you not.

[alienentity]

Here's a copy of most of an email I received from my truther associate. This explains the concepts as well as they can be explained...
This was his response to my insistence on a skeptical approach to conspiracies. Yes, I know his thought process is very scattered, but that's a prerequisite for this kind of buckshot conspiracy stuff, init?

'I'm a skeptic of the news on TV and what the Government tells me. False Flag / Bailouts to Banks ...non to the people. Oswald shot Kennedy / Gulf of Tonkin ...and some Arabs took over four planes one day in 2001 to name a few. If you read the book "Confessions of an Economic Hit-man" you will learn how the good oul USA along with the CIA and World Bank have done a lot of nasty stuff all over the world.
The reason I don't put much faith in your peer review science papers is because they will say what ever the government wants them or their funding will dry up. [unemployed]
I see a guy holding a rock and he drops it. I say, ..."that guy dropped a rock". [building 7 for example] The government can get some scientist on their payroll to write a paper [peer reviewed and all] They can put a bunch of mathematical equations / rotation of the earth/ humidity in the air / wind velocity and then they can just say I'm a crazy conspiracy theorist.
Take the Global warming for example: ...did you hear about ...EMAIL GATE Those are "scientest" who are paid to lie. Make up **** to promote the Government false flag ..."Man Made Global Warming"
This huge propaganda state/corporate owned media machine never stops producing crap.




This link is Lord Monckton . Al Gore won't go near this guy. [debate] If you won't listen to the guy ...at least move the pointer to the end and listen to the last 4 minutes. He has read the treaty these world leaders are going to sign. Here comes ...The One World Government / New World Order
Check out poppa Bush on [Sept 11] 1991

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stij8...layer_embedded

This is Global Warming Swindle. Excellent documentary that Lord Moncton was able to force the UK government to play in public schools or take Al Gores fake science crap ..."An Inconvenient Truth"

http://vodpod.com/watch/1002785-the-...imaatopwarming

This link is a great article on the history of Goldman Saccs. "The Great American Bubble Machine"
If you think Wall Street made easy cash with the housing bubble wait until you see what they do with the

"Man Made Global Warming ...Carbon Trade Scam"


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stij8...bble_machine_0'

[bill smith]

I didn't want to get into the NWO aspects of Climate Control but I assume that everybody can see what an effective way this is to make common law for every country on Earth ? They wouldn't be long about consolidating out of a Global agreement on Climate Control. Either you see it or you don't.

[Grizzly Bear]

If anything the AGW scandals prove exactly the point people have been making about the 9/11 conspiracies; they expect a secret to be kept so well about complicity that to date they've been able to fool most of the world, yet people dealing with AGW can't keep its own scandals a secret.

In this case I think there's a little bit of truth to the AGW skepticism, but I've said before that even with my skepticism I don't have any reason to think that there's at least an inderect truth to some of the AGW argument. And comparing it to the truth movement line of argument in fact I'd argue hurts many of the truth movement's core contentions about the ability to keep scandals out of public reach indefinitely regardless of the amount of damage it causes to a theory. The leaked emails are a case in point.

[bill smith]

Originally Posted by Grizzly Bear

If anything the AGW scandals prove exactly the point people have been making about the 9/11 conspiracies; they expect a secret to be kept so well about complicity that to date they've been able to fool most of the world, yet people dealing with AGW can't keep its own scandals a secret.

In this case I think there's a little bit of truth to the AGW skepticism, but I've said before that even with my skepticism I don't have any reason to think that there's at least an inderect truth to some of the AGW argument. And comparing it to the truth movement line of argument in fact I'd argue hurts many of the truth movement's core contentions about the ability to keep scandals out of public reach indefinitely regardless of the amount of damage it causes to a theory. The leaked emails are a case in point.

The key similarities between the 'big lies' of 9/11 and AGW are the control of a significant body of science who will produce and defend (where possible) false data , The control or compliance of the major media and a huge cadre of bullies inside and outside the media who will shout down or ridicule anybody who dares speak out against the official line. A vital and calculated side effect of this bullying is to frighten people away from asking too many questions or employing or associating with people who do. To deny AGW is to be a heretic in the religious sense. To deny 9/11 is to be a heretic in the holocaust denial sense. You all know this to be true because you have all used it against the Truth Movement yourselves.

If you watch the system used by the Climate bullies and liars as described you are looking at a virtually exact match for how the big lie of 9/11 is protected and maintained.

[cornsail]

Originally Posted by bill smith

Have you seen this documentary on FOX ?

Irrelevant whether they showed some specific documentary or piece of news. It was seen on the UK's channel 4.

This was seen on Fox:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7tMY3ou0Yo (Glenn Beck and Lord Monckton)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfHW7...eature=related (John Coleman on Red Eye)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnt3FWToSWs (Montage)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtBgp1Yrouw (Fox and Friends on sueing NASA)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHATItyOsdY (Stuart Varley and Pat Michaels)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNbxYVa2VjA (Glenn Beck on "climategate")
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLYTYnO9KZ4 (Fox and Friends - most awkward interview ever)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXBo20oztXk (Britt Hume all but calls AGW CRU a fraud)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1qa9xprJ4s (Varley with Senator Inhofe)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vr765tgc6s (general Copenhagen bashing)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJWWjxc_pgQ (newscaster argues with guest, claims "global cooling")
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPdX9Sz8w4k (Varley bullying cap and trade proponent)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIl2gdDtbCg (Varley pisses off an environmentalist)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vetyAUu5KdI (climategate + a report on "cult leader" Al Gore's "hypocrisy")
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwzlYEYeFok (Hannity)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWRP7aToW9c ("religion", "hoax", "cult", "anti capitalist agenda", "centralized state control of everything possible", yadda yadda)

Quote:

Now you know why FOX doesn't expose 9/11. But they do like to look like they oppose government measures sometimes.

Watch those clips and say that again. Fox obviously has nothing to do with the NWO agenda. You should be embracing them. They were the most pro Bush channel by far, but maybe it was just due to ignorance?

[cornsail]

Btw, Bill, what is the anti-NWO stance on tea baggers? Genuine question.

[bill smith]

Did you see that Nacy Pelosi said ' Thank God in America we have our own natural gas, because otherwise we'd have to depend on fossil fuels '' lol

[cornsail]

Originally Posted by bill smith

TThe control or compliance of the major media and a huge cadre of bullies inside and outside the media who will shout down or ridicule anybody who dares speak out against the official line. A vital and calculated side effect of this bullying is to frighten people away from asking too many questions or employing or associating with people who do.

You can't seriously defend this claim, regarding climate change. It's just utterly and demonstrably false. 9/11 truth? Yes, it's a politically incorrect subject and most prefer not to dignify it. But AGW skeptics have been all over the news for years and years.

[bill smith]

Originally Posted by cornsail

Irrelevant whether they showed some specific documentary or piece of news. It was seen on the UK's channel 4.

This was seen on Fox:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7tMY3ou0Yo (Glenn Beck and Lord Monckton)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfHW7...eature=related (John Coleman on Red Eye)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnt3FWToSWs (Montage)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtBgp1Yrouw (Fox and Friends on sueing NASA)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHATItyOsdY (Stuart Varley and Pat Michaels)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNbxYVa2VjA (Glenn Beck on "climategate")
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLYTYnO9KZ4 (Fox and Friends - most awkward interview ever)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXBo20oztXk (Britt Hume all but calls AGW CRU a fraud)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1qa9xprJ4s (Varley with Senator Inhofe)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vr765tgc6s (general Copenhagen bashing)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJWWjxc_pgQ (newscaster argues with guest, claims "global cooling")
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPdX9Sz8w4k (Varley bullying cap and trade proponent)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIl2gdDtbCg (Varley pisses off an environmentalist)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vetyAUu5KdI (climategate + a report on "cult leader" Al Gore's "hypocrisy")
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwzlYEYeFok (Hannity)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWRP7aToW9c ("religion", "hoax", "cult", "anti capitalist agenda", "centralized state control of everything possible", yadda yadda)



Watch those clips and say that again. Fox obviously has nothing to do with the NWO agenda. You should be embracing them. They were the most pro Bush channel by far, but maybe it was just due to ignorance?

These were certainly more hard-hitting than anything I had seen from FOX on this subject before.

Interesting... I wonder how it slots in ?

[bill smith]

Originally Posted by cornsail

You can't seriously defend this claim, regarding climate change. It's just utterly and demonstrably false. 9/11 truth? Yes, it's a politically incorrect subject and most prefer not to dignify it. But AGW skeptics have been all over the news for years and years.

They still did not get true support from the media. Check the link you posted on the 30,000 scientists. How could the AGW BS survive in the face of that if the media had really come on board ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfHW7...eature=related 30,000 voices

I said it before and I'll say it again. A comparative study of these two 'big lies '- AGW and 9/11 will tell a lot about how the media really works and how we respond or don't respond to what they feed us.

[bill smith]

Originally Posted by cornsail

Btw, Bill, what is the anti-NWO stance on tea baggers? Genuine question.

If you mean teabagger in the sense I think you mean then the NWO will be only too delighted to put them in straight lines. And they will be only too happy to stand in those straight lines. A perfect symbiotic relationship. Master and slave.

[Mr.Herbert]

ever been tea-bagged Bill?

[cornsail]

Originally Posted by bill smith

These were certainly more hard-hitting than anything I had seen from FOX on this subject before.

Interesting... I wonder how it slots in ?

Glad we can agree on that. I don't know what "slots in" means.

Btw,

Quote:

Have you seen coverage on FOX of this very explosive revelation of only a few days ago ?

Yes.

http://mediamatters.org/research/200912180026

[bill smith]

Originally Posted by Mr.Herbert

ever been tea-bagged Bill?

If you mean it like I think you do- no I have not.

[cornsail]

Originally Posted by bill smith

They still did not get true support from the media. Check the link you posted on the 30,000 scientists. How could the AGW BS survive in the face of that if the media had really come on board ?

A bogus story, imo, but I don't want to get too off topic.

The media as a whole were not "on board" with either the science or the 'skeptics'. It was probably about 60/40 in favor of the science. But that 40 is still a huge number.