How de we know the 9/11 hijackers are dead?

[Furcifer]

Originally Posted by cyclonic

BTW,HAPPY FESTIVUS!!!!!!

Yur late, the "Feats of Stupidity" have already begun.

[AJM8125]

So Josh, you've been given a wealth of information to ponder. After you've digested it and if you still need to ask questions about the hijackers, then yup, you're likely a truther. What's worse is you're headed straight down the no-planer rabbit hole. Good luck with that.

[TruthersLie]

Originally Posted by Josh111485

I just want everyone to know that I think 9/11 conspiracy theories are complete nonsense as well as conspiracy theories in general. I want to make that very clear. I do not subscribe to paranoid conspiracy theories about 9/11.

If someone is asking, "how do we know the 9/11 hijackers are all dead" with legitimate curiosity, how would you answer them?

How do we know the 9/11 hijackers are all dead?


Legitimately curious.

Josh

The only way the hijackers could possibly be alive is if they weren't hijackers (ala no planers).

The funny part is that LC STILL makes this claim... even though it has been fully debunked and shown to be a case of incorrect information and bad identification which was cleared up rather quickly.

It becomes a very simple thing... FIND JUST ONE who is from the finalized list published by the FBI after october 1st 2001. Find one and you will win the pulitzer and expose the greatest scam and cover up ever. World famous. Just one.

I live in the middle east, it should be easy. I'll tell you for a fact the 2 from the UAE are most definately dead because I have met their families.

[jayman]

Originally Posted by Mr.Herbert

Hell no!

unless you think the hijackers are alive

Hell no! I don't.

[jayman]

Originally Posted by AJM8125

So Josh, you've been given a wealth of information to ponder. After you've digested it and if you still need to ask questions about the hijackers, then yup, you're likely a truther. What's worse is you're headed straight down the no-planer rabbit hole. Good luck with that.

I never bought the "some of the 9/11 hijackers are still alive" nonsense. At all. I just heard this crap again from Jessie Ventura and thought, "people still believe that one?!?" I just wanted to know all the debunking information for this crackpot theory.

[angrysoba]

If Mohammad Atta turned up on the David Letterman show and quipped, "Reports of my death have been greatly exaggerated!" then I'll be impressed. But from what I know it was a simple misidentification of one guy who happened to have the same name and whose picture was shown instead of the actual hijacker that started this whole thing.

On September 23, 2001 BBC News reported that Waleed was "alive and well" in Casablanca, Morocco and was talking to multiple media organizations;[19][20] however, due to confusion over the man's identity, and editorial concerns over conspiracy theories, BBC News later modified the September 23 report by inserting "A man called ... "[19] BBC News considers the September 23 report superseded by an October 5, 2001 report that lists Waleed as one of the alleged hijackers believed by the FBI to be responsible for the September 11 attacks.[19][21]

Waleed and Wail were both reported to have been initially found, in error, by a Saudi newspaper editor as the sons of Ahmed Alshehri, a senior Saudi diplomat stationed in Bombay, India.[citation needed] On September 16, 2001, the diplomat Ahmed Alshehri denied that he was the father of the two hijackers. Wail claims he did attend Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University in Daytona Beach, Florida — but was the victim of mistaken identity, since he used that training to secure his current position with a Moroccan airline company. Saudi Arabia has confirmed his story, and suggested he was the victim of identity theft.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waleed_al-Shehri

[jayman]

Originally Posted by TexasJack

But you have believed in this nonsense in the past, correct? If so, why would you be revisting one of the more absurd 911 conspiracy theories?

I kind of did. Not so much this absurd theory. I read the Skeptic Dictionary entry on paranoid conspiracy theories and realized that conspiracy theories are utter nonsense.

I wanted to revisit this one because I recently heard Jessie Ventura talking about it. I thought, "he's still touting that crap?!?"

I just wanted to know the definitive answer to this one, because I want to make sure I have an answer for all conspiracy theories even the most absurd ones. That's all.

[AJM8125]

Originally Posted by Josh111485

I never bought the "some of the 9/11 hijackers are still alive" nonsense. At all. I just heard this crap again from Jessie Ventura and thought, "people still believe that one?!?" I just wanted to know all the debunking information for this crackpot theory.

Good to know. You have to understand that the "I'm not a truther" gambit has been done to death around here. Your OP strongly resembles that, hence the wary responses.

[jayman]

Originally Posted by AJM8125

Good to know. You have to understand that the "I'm not a truther" gambit has been done to death around here. Your OP strongly resembles that, hence the wary responses.

Yeah, I figured. Maybe I should have worded it a different way.

[Cl1mh4224rd]

Originally Posted by Josh111485

If someone is asking, "how do we know the 9/11 hijackers are all dead" with legitimate curiosity, how would you answer them?

How do we know the 9/11 hijackers are all dead?

How do we know Elvis is dead? Michael Jackson? What about my mother's parents? How can you know they are dead? I can assure that they are, but you'll never truly know.

[TruthersLie]

Originally Posted by angrysoba

If Mohammad Atta turned up on the David Letterman show and quipped, "Reports of my death have been greatly exaggerated!" then I'll be impressed. But from what I know it was a simple misidentification of one guy who happened to have the same name and whose picture was shown instead of the actual hijacker that started this whole thing.

On September 23, 2001 BBC News reported that Waleed was "alive and well" in Casablanca, Morocco and was talking to multiple media organizations;[19][20] however, due to confusion over the man's identity, and editorial concerns over conspiracy theories, BBC News later modified the September 23 report by inserting "A man called ... "[19] BBC News considers the September 23 report superseded by an October 5, 2001 report that lists Waleed as one of the alleged hijackers believed by the FBI to be responsible for the September 11 attacks.[19][21]

Waleed and Wail were both reported to have been initially found, in error, by a Saudi newspaper editor as the sons of Ahmed Alshehri, a senior Saudi diplomat stationed in Bombay, India.[citation needed] On September 16, 2001, the diplomat Ahmed Alshehri denied that he was the father of the two hijackers. Wail claims he did attend Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University in Daytona Beach, Florida — but was the victim of mistaken identity, since he used that training to secure his current position with a Moroccan airline company. Saudi Arabia has confirmed his story, and suggested he was the victim of identity theft.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waleed_al-Shehri

Soba...

There were several errors in properly identifying the hijackers from the early assessments (that came out before October 1st, 2001). Those misidentificaitons had up to 7 alleged hijackers alive.

debunking911.com
and
911myths.com
have great debunkings of this story.

http://www.911myths.com/index.php/Hijackers_still_alive

[T.A.M.]

Jeez, go away for half a day and someone hits the lever on the time machine.

I WANT TO GO BACK TO 2009!!!

TAM

[Elizabeth I]

Originally Posted by TexasJack

But you have believed in this nonsense in the past, correct? If so, why would you be revisting one of the more absurd 911 conspiracy theories?

Be fair - he could be genuinely surprised by the whole thing. I know until I started visiting the forum I had never even heard of people not believing the 19 highjackers were responsible for 9/11. It was an eye-opener for me (that people could believe that way, that is.)

[angrysoba]

Originally Posted by TruthersLie

Soba...

There were several errors in properly identifying the hijackers from the early assessments (that came out before October 1st, 2001). Those misidentificaitons had up to 7 alleged hijackers alive.

debunking911.com
and
911myths.com
have great debunkings of this story.

http://www.911myths.com/index.php/Hijackers_still_alive

Thanks.

[jayman]

Originally Posted by Dumb All Over

The other day I told my doctor that it hurts when I hold my arm above my head. Do you know what he said?

"Cough"?

[CHF]

Originally Posted by Josh111485

I just heard this crap again from Jessie Ventura and thought, "people still believe that one?!?"

I knew Ventura was a dolt, but good lord.

The "still alive hijackers" is moronic on so many levels.

[dropzone]

Note to my fellows here:

A lot of people are brought here seeking the truth because there is a nagging voice in their heads that the BS being fed them by friends, TV, and YouTube just ain't right. Some, like the OP, post. Others lurk. It does nothing to help our cause to, frankly, abuse them for asking questions that have been answered before because this may be the first time anybody they know has asked those questions. We should be helpful and welcoming, not hostile. Good God, get an ****** grip!

Josh, If it were within my power I'd apologize for my fellows, but they'd all be offended by that, too.

[jayman]

Originally Posted by dropzone

Note to my fellows here:

A lot of people are brought here seeking the truth because there is a nagging voice in their heads that the BS being fed them by friends, TV, and YouTube just ain't right. Some, like the OP, post. Others lurk. It does nothing to help our cause to, frankly, abuse them for asking questions that have been answered before because this may be the first time anybody they know has asked those questions. We should be helpful and welcoming, not hostile. Good God, get an ****** grip!

Josh, If it were within my power I'd apologize for my fellows, but they'd all be offended by that, too.

Thank you! I appreciate that.

[ozeco41]

Originally Posted by dropzone

Note to my fellows here:

A lot of people are brought here seeking the truth because there is a nagging voice in their heads that the BS being fed them by friends, TV, and YouTube just ain't right. Some, like the OP, post. Others lurk. It does nothing to help our cause to, frankly, abuse them for asking questions that have been answered before because this may be the first time anybody they know has asked those questions. We should be helpful and welcoming, not hostile. Good God, get an ****** grip!

Josh, If it were within my power I'd apologize for my fellows, but they'd all be offended by that, too.

Well said dropzone.

[bardamu]

Originally Posted by TruthersLie

I live in the middle east, it should be easy. I'll tell you for a fact the 2 from the UAE are most definately dead because I have met their families.

It might be a fact that 2 people from the UAE are dead, but what if they weren't hijackers?

[funk de fino]

Originally Posted by bardamu

It might be a fact that 2 people from the UAE are dead, but what if they weren't hijackers?

Off topic derail in the face of incovenient truths.

[TruthersLie]

Originally Posted by bardamu

It might be a fact that 2 people from the UAE are dead, but what if they weren't hijackers?

Ah yes... more arguments from incredulity. Got it.

Lets see... we have video wills, we have them mentioned specifically in Al Q vidoes after, we have converging evidence which places them on the jets, and reports from the jets themselves pointing out they were being hijacked, and even reports of generally WHERE on the jets the hijackers were located at.

Of course, they were just patsies who were framed for crimes they admitted to trying to pull off.

Massive argument from ignorance, massive argument from incredulity. Try to educate yourself. Go back to school ace.

[TruthersLie]

Originally Posted by bardamu

It might be a fact that 2 people from the UAE are dead, but what if they weren't hijackers?

Again bard, if you feel that they were patsies or that the hijackers are alive, hop on a jet and fly to the ME.

I live here. I'll introduce you to the families of the hijackers from the UAE. You can then run them down and find out where they are alive at. It should be pretty easy.

This would be the biggest story EVER. You'd win the pulitzer, maybe a nobel prize. You would never have to worry about work again. It would only cost you about $1,000 for plane tickets, and then maybe another couple of grand to find and film an interview with a living hijacker...

But you won't because you are an intellectual dwarf and ethically challenged. Got it. So instead of trying to PROVE it, you will just be an internet commando for twoof. Way to go, fantastic way to stand up for your convictions.

[BCR]

How de we know the 9/11 hijackers are dead?

I've heard some questions before, but this one has got to beat them all. Answer...how many people do you know who walk away from 500+mph impacts with solid objects and resultant fireball?

[Thunder]

how can I be sure that my grandfather is dead? did i ever actually SEE him in the coffin? nope. did i stand vigil for 48 hours after he was buried, to make sure he did not rise from the grave, like Beatrice Kiddo in "Kill Bill"???

nope. oh my God, grandpa...may be alive!!!!!

[Thunder]

Originally Posted by Josh111485

Why do you have to call me stupid? Couldn't it just be that I'm a skeptic new to these issues and I legitimately want to know about them?

there is no logical, rational, nor evidence based reason to think that any of the 19 hijackers are anything but toasty toast.

[T.A.M.]

Originally Posted by parky76

how can I be sure that my grandfather is dead? did i ever actually SEE him in the coffin? nope. did i stand vigil for 48 hours after he was buried, to make sure he did not rise from the grave, like Beatrice Kiddo in "Kill Bill"???

nope. oh my God, grandpa...may be alive!!!!!

Well I heard that last week a man with the same name as your grandfather was found alive and well in Lincoln Nebraska, so he must be still alive.

TAM

[Thunder]

Originally Posted by T.A.M.

Well I heard that last week a man with the same name as your grandfather was found alive and well in Lincoln Nebraska, so he must be still alive.

TAM

i don't think an elderly Jewish man, who only speaks Yiddish, would be found dead in Lincoln, Nebraska. but...ya never know!!!!!

p.s.....my grandfather's full name got 11 million hits on Yahoo. he must be alive!!!

[I Ratant]

Originally Posted by TruthersLie

Again bard, if you feel that they were patsies or that the hijackers are alive, hop on a jet and fly to the ME.

I live here. I'll introduce you to the families of the hijackers from the UAE. You can then run them down and find out where they are alive at. It should be pretty easy.

This would be the biggest story EVER. You'd win the pulitzer, maybe a nobel prize. You would never have to worry about work again. It would only cost you about $1,000 for plane tickets, and then maybe another couple of grand to find and film an interview with a living hijacker...

But you won't because you are an intellectual dwarf and ethically challenged. Got it. So instead of trying to PROVE it, you will just be an internet commando for twoof. Way to go, fantastic way to stand up for your convictions.

.
Bardie needn't go to the UAE to find families of those on those planes on 9/11. Just take the passenger lists and go to the families of the passengers.
And tell them those deaths are hoaxed.
I wonder how far down the list he'd get before he was beaten to a pulp?

[Myriad]

We know the hijackers are dead because:

1. The hijackers must, by definition, have been aboard the planes.

2. The planes crashed with no survivors.

That's the only answer I ever give for that question. If what the questioner really wants to imply is, for instance, that the specific individuals reported to have carried out the hijackings might not have been the ones who actually did so, let them make that claim explicitly and support it with evidence.

Respectfully,
Myriad

[bardamu]

Originally Posted by Myriad

We know the hijackers are dead because:

1. The hijackers must, by definition, have been aboard the planes.

That's why the correct term is 'alleged hijackers'.

[9/11 Chewy Defense]

Originally Posted by bardamu

That's why the correct term is 'alleged hijackers'.

And you're allegedly trolling Bard.

[Gawdzilla]

I think the wording of the OP makes it clear that the poster was adequate acquainted with the mythology of the event.

[DGM]

On this subject, Who was the "truther" that had the "theory" the hijacking had to be a hoax because none of the hijackers have been brought up on charges in court?

It was a couple years ago but I can't find the author of that little bit of stundie gold.

Todays "truther stupidity" trivia question.

[T.A.M.]

Originally Posted by bardamu

That's why the correct term is 'alleged hijackers'.

And I am sure some say you allegedly have an ounce of sense. I am not one of them.

TAM

[twinstead]

Originally Posted by bardamu

That's why the correct term is 'alleged hijackers'.

Is that the only reason you claim there were no planes so you can say silly things like this?

[Furcifer]

Originally Posted by dropzone

It does nothing to help our cause to, frankly, abuse them for asking questions that have been answered before because this may be the first time anybody they know has asked those questions. We should be helpful and welcoming, not hostile. Good God, get an ****** grip!

Josh, If it were within my power I'd apologize for my fellows, but they'd all be offended by that, too.

Ahh, to be new again

I think I made the same post not too long after joining the forum. I bet if you take a poll just about everyone here made the same remark at some point.

I'm not sure if you're familiar with the term "hazing"? This is essentially what this amounts to.

You really need to prove you are capable and willing to learn if you want to engage people in a serious discussion.

There are members in this forum who have spent 1000's of hours pouring over information to give their professional, or experienced opinion.

There's no fee involved, no remittance, no pay schedule. No one gets paid, and no one pays.

That doesn't mean it doesn't come at a cost. Where else can you immediate feedback from a professional, about your questions and opinions for free? No where.

All you have to do is endure a simple hazing, a test of your commitment to learning and understanding and you get a hands on, one on one learning experience Harvard couldn't rival.

It might seem rude at first, but I can assure you it isn't. It's just a way of ensuring that their time and effort won't go to waste. It's just the way it works itself out here on the internet.

You might be different, but I think after time you will come to understand it for what it is. You can't really fault people for doing what they do until you fully understand where they are coming from. My only suggestion to you is that you can't understand until you've been around for a bit. At the same time, there's absolutely nothing wrong with your sentiment.

[Thunder]

Originally Posted by bardamu

That's why the correct term is 'alleged hijackers'.

Hitler was the "alleged" dictator of Germany.

[jayman]

Originally Posted by 3bodyproblem

Ahh, to be new again

I think I made the same post not too long after joining the forum. I bet if you take a poll just about everyone here made the same remark at some point.

I'm not sure if you're familiar with the term "hazing"? This is essentially what this amounts to.

You really need to prove you are capable and willing to learn if you want to engage people in a serious discussion.

There are members in this forum who have spent 1000's of hours pouring over information to give their professional, or experienced opinion.

There's no fee involved, no remittance, no pay schedule. No one gets paid, and no one pays.

That doesn't mean it doesn't come at a cost. Where else can you immediate feedback from a professional, about your questions and opinions for free? No where.

All you have to do is endure a simple hazing, a test of your commitment to learning and understanding and you get a hands on, one on one learning experience Harvard couldn't rival.

It might seem rude at first, but I can assure you it isn't. It's just a way of ensuring that their time and effort won't go to waste. It's just the way it works itself out here on the internet.

You might be different, but I think after time you will come to understand it for what it is. You can't really fault people for doing what they do until you fully understand where they are coming from. My only suggestion to you is that you can't understand until you've been around for a bit. At the same time, there's absolutely nothing wrong with your sentiment.

Well said. I should have worded my OP differently. I wasn't asking the question as if I had no idea what the answer was or that I seriously doubted whether or not some of the hijackers were alive.

As I've said before, I heard Jessie Ventura spouting this crackpot theory recently and I wanted to see what the definitive answer would be, in-case I ever debated a "twoofer" on this subject.

I love the JREF forum and I treasure the immediate feedback. Thank you!

Josh

[Furcifer]

Originally Posted by Josh111485

Well said. I should have worded my OP differently. I wasn't asking the question as if I had no idea what the answer was or that I seriously doubted whether or not some of the hijackers were alive.

As I've said before, I heard Jessie Ventura spouting this crackpot theory recently and I wanted to see what the definitive answer would be, in-case I ever debated a "twoofer" on this subject.

I love the JREF forum and I treasure the immediate feedback. Thank you!

Josh

Yep. Yur welcome Josh. And glad to have you around. Merry Xmas!