What happened to Edna Cintron?

Edx · 28th December 2009, 12:34 PM

I tried looking this up but I cant seem to find anything concrete.

Did Edna Cintron (the waving woman in the impact zone) fall or did she stay there until the collapse?

Some guy is trying to claim the latter.

16.5 · 28th December 2009, 12:36 PM

Originally Posted by Edx

I tried looking this up but I cant seem to find anything concrete.

Did Edna Cintron (the waving woman in the impact zone) fall or did she stay there until the collapse?

Some guy is trying to claim the latter.

She jumped to her death. There is a photo of her doing it, and no I am not going to link it.

scratchy · 28th December 2009, 12:40 PM

Whats the conspiracy angle?

KDLarsen · 28th December 2009, 12:41 PM

She definantly jumped. Twoofer-ghouls like to use her presence there as an example of how the temperatures couldn't have been that high, but oddly enough they go silent when asked why she jumped then.

Edx · 28th December 2009, 12:42 PM

Originally Posted by 16.5

She jumped to her death. There is a photo of her doing it, and no I am not going to link it.

No thats ok... and thats what I thought.

A news report talking about what happened to her would be enough, google is just full of stupid truther websites when I try searching for her name that I cant seem to find any "official" (for lack of a better word) confirmation of what actually happened to her.

Edx · 28th December 2009, 12:46 PM

Originally Posted by scratchy

Whats the conspiracy angle?

Well to quote the guy I'm talking to:

Quote:

I've watched a probably a hundred videos of the south tower and I see little, if any fire... Also, there was a woman standing in the impact hole with unburnt clothes and hair.

That was Edna Cintron, the fires were obviously so cool she had to jump to her death... Fire moves you know, it uses up fuel in the impact zone and then moves.

No, she did not jump, she went down with the building
/watch?v=W7V-nQpcyDo

In the video he references it says she went down with the building, I just want confirmation I can show him that this is wrong.

Alferd_Packer · 28th December 2009, 12:58 PM

When I think of the horror of someone facing the decision to jump or stay, knowing that there was no difference in either choice, it really make me despise the truthers that use her as an example for their useless theories in their usesless lives.

Brainster · 28th December 2009, 01:15 PM

I included the falling photo of Ms Cintron in this post at SLC. It's a very disturbing image. BTW, your debating partner has the wrong building; Edna was in the North Tower.

dudalb · 28th December 2009, 01:45 PM

Originally Posted by KDLarsen

She definantly jumped. Twoofer-ghouls like to use her presence there as an example of how the temperatures couldn't have been that high, but oddly enough they go silent when asked why she jumped then.

THose twoofer ghouls need to have the crap kicked out of them.Really.

Edx · 28th December 2009, 03:31 PM

Cheers Brainster

triforcharity · 28th December 2009, 06:47 PM

Sick and disgusting they are.

I cannot even BEGIN to imagine what kind of pure HELL that must have been, knowing I HAD to choose to either be suffocated in a fire, or jump to my certain death.

Holy **** some truthers are sick.

I know people who left the fire service because of the jumpers that they witnessed that day. The FD had to user people out other doors because of the sheer amount of jumpers.

I had nightmares about the jumpers for many many months. Still do to this day.

PS. Thanks for not linking that picture directly, and for giving a warning about it. It turns my stomach.

Cl1mh4224rd · 28th December 2009, 06:59 PM

Originally Posted by triforcharity

I cannot even BEGIN to imagine what kind of pure HELL that must have been, knowing I HAD to choose to either be suffocated in a fire, or jump to my certain death.

Firefighter Joe Casaliggi, in the Naudet film, made the comment, "I just remember looking up, thinking, 'how bad is it up there that the better option is to jump?'"

That's a heavy thought. Every time I hear it, read it, or think about it, I feel a very obvious weight. Sitting down here, on the ground, in my house, in a comfortable chair, it's easy to look at the pictures and video and think, "Well, they're at windows. They've got fresh air, even with all that smoke pouring out from behind," but... *shakes his head*

9/11 Chewy Defense · 28th December 2009, 07:05 PM

Originally Posted by Cl1mh4224rd

Firefighter Joe Casaliggi, in the Naudet film, made the comment, "I just remember looking up, thinking, 'how bad is it up there that the better option is to jump?'"

That's a heavy thought. Every time I hear it, read it, or think about it, I feel a very obvious weight. Sitting down here, on the ground, in my house, in a comfortable chair, it's easy to look at the pictures and video and think, "Well, they're at windows. They've got fresh air, even with all that smoke pouring out from behind," but... *shakes his head*

If I had to option I'd make sure I'd try to get out. But thinking of all those who jumped made me think that's a horrible way to go. 10 seconds of looking at buildings & sky then blackness, I just shudder at the thought.

Magenta · 29th December 2009, 12:10 AM

Originally Posted by Brainster

I included the falling photo of Ms Cintron in this post at SLC. It's a very disturbing image. BTW, your debating partner has the wrong building; Edna was in the North Tower.

That photo is also featured in the documentary 9/11 The Falling Man and is identified by Richard Pecorella as probably being his fiancée Karen Juday. Article about Mr Pecorella here. The documentary is on YouTube - the part with Mr Pecorella starts around 46 minutes in:

YouTube Video This video is not hosted by the JREF. The JREF can not be held responsible for the suitability or legality of this material. By clicking the link below you agree to view content from an external website.

I AGREE

atecom · 29th December 2009, 12:17 AM

There was a truther on youtube, Joe Craine I think it was who used to claim Edna Citron spoke to him in his sleep.

truethat · 29th December 2009, 12:19 AM

I read somewhere that the reason the people jumped was the floors were boiling hot and they began to burn from the feet up. So it wasn't really a choice. They had no choice. It was a reaction.

I can't even understand the cruelty of gossiping about this woman's picture online. Her family must hurt so much because of it.

defaultdotxbe · 29th December 2009, 11:21 AM

also of note is Edna Cintron is still listed as a survivor and/or family member who is critical of the "official account" of 9/11
http://patriotsquestion911.com/survivors.html

Edx · 29th December 2009, 01:00 PM

Originally Posted by defaultdotxbe

also of note is Edna Cintron is still listed as a survivor and/or family member who is critical of the "official account" of 9/11
http://patriotsquestion911.com/survivors.html

Wow how disgustingly shamless!

Why dont they just list everyone they've ever quotemined.

I wonder if Chief Palmer is there as well.

LashL · 29th December 2009, 02:28 PM

Originally Posted by Edx

Wow how disgustingly shamless!

Why dont they just list everyone they've ever quotemined.

I wonder if Chief Palmer is there as well.

Indeed, he is. And "disgustingly shameless" is a polite way of putting it.

Brainster · 29th December 2009, 04:43 PM

Originally Posted by Magenta

That photo is also featured in the documentary 9/11 The Falling Man and is identified by Richard Pecorella as probably being his fiancée Karen Juday. Article about Mr Pecorella here. The documentary is on YouTube - the part with Mr Pecorella starts around 46 minutes in:

YouTube Video This video is not hosted by the JREF. The JREF can not be held responsible for the suitability or legality of this material. By clicking the link below you agree to view content from an external website.

I AGREE

Thanks for posting that. It was very difficult to watch, but worth the tears. I don't know what to think now; both women were clearly wearing similar clothing that day (at least assuming that the picture of the woman staggering out through the hole in the North Tower was indeed Edna as we've heard many times). However, I trust Pecorella's ability to judge here better than I do my own.

triforcharity · 29th December 2009, 05:53 PM

Scumbags, the whole lot of em.

Unsecured Coins · 29th December 2009, 06:17 PM

I wonder how Kevin Smith feels about being on that site.

DGM · 30th December 2009, 06:07 AM

Originally Posted by defaultdotxbe

also of note is Edna Cintron is still listed as a survivor and/or family member who is critical of the "official account" of 9/11
http://patriotsquestion911.com/survivors.html

That's actually on a page of "statements".

Cover their ass statement.

Quote:

The public statements of many survivors contradict the Commission Report. And the words and actions of some of the victims on that terrible day are in conflict with the Commission Report. This page of the website is a collection of their statements. The website does not represent any organization and it should be made clear that none of these individuals are affiliated with this website.

It's still pretty low.

Myron Proudfoot · 30th December 2009, 07:38 AM

I am most certainly not a violent person, don't even play video games where I shoot or hit someone, but I'd be hard-pressed not to punch a truther in the face, repeatedly, for their attitude towards the victims...

28th December 2009, 12:34 PM	#1
Edx Illuminator Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 4,242	What happened to Edna Cintron? I tried looking this up but I cant seem to find anything concrete. Did Edna Cintron (the waving woman in the impact zone) fall or did she stay there until the collapse? Some guy is trying to claim the latter.
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28th December 2009, 12:36 PM	#2
16.5 Illuminator Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 4,622	Originally Posted by Edx I tried looking this up but I cant seem to find anything concrete. Did Edna Cintron (the waving woman in the impact zone) fall or did she stay there until the collapse? Some guy is trying to claim the latter. She jumped to her death. There is a photo of her doing it, and no I am not going to link it.
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28th December 2009, 12:42 PM	#5
Edx Illuminator Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 4,242	Originally Posted by 16.5 She jumped to her death. There is a photo of her doing it, and no I am not going to link it. No thats ok... and thats what I thought. A news report talking about what happened to her would be enough, google is just full of stupid truther websites when I try searching for her name that I cant seem to find any "official" (for lack of a better word) confirmation of what actually happened to her.
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28th December 2009, 12:46 PM	#6
Edx Illuminator Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 4,242	Originally Posted by scratchy Whats the conspiracy angle? Well to quote the guy I'm talking to: Quote: Quote: Quote: I've watched a probably a hundred videos of the south tower and I see little, if any fire... Also, there was a woman standing in the impact hole with unburnt clothes and hair. That was Edna Cintron, the fires were obviously so cool she had to jump to her death... Fire moves you know, it uses up fuel in the impact zone and then moves. No, she did not jump, she went down with the building /watch?v=W7V-nQpcyDo In the video he references it says she went down with the building, I just want confirmation I can show him that this is wrong.
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28th December 2009, 12:58 PM	#7
Alferd_Packer Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 7,191	When I think of the horror of someone facing the decision to jump or stay, knowing that there was no difference in either choice, it really make me despise the truthers that use her as an example for their useless theories in their usesless lives.
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28th December 2009, 12:40 PM	#3
scratchy Muse Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: In the happy state of denial Posts: 607	Whats the conspiracy angle?

28th December 2009, 12:41 PM	#4
KDLarsen Graduate Poster Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Lord's Posts: 1,939	She definantly jumped. Twoofer-ghouls like to use her presence there as an example of how the temperatures couldn't have been that high, but oddly enough they go silent when asked why she jumped then.

28th December 2009, 01:15 PM	#8
Brainster Penultimate Amazing Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 10,409	I included the falling photo of Ms Cintron in this post at SLC. It's a very disturbing image. BTW, your debating partner has the wrong building; Edna was in the North Tower.
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28th December 2009, 01:45 PM	#9
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 22,782	Originally Posted by KDLarsen She definantly jumped. Twoofer-ghouls like to use her presence there as an example of how the temperatures couldn't have been that high, but oddly enough they go silent when asked why she jumped then. THose twoofer ghouls need to have the crap kicked out of them.Really.

28th December 2009, 03:31 PM	#10
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28th December 2009, 06:47 PM	#11
triforcharity Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: The South! Posts: 12,095	Sick and disgusting they are. I cannot even BEGIN to imagine what kind of pure HELL that must have been, knowing I HAD to choose to either be suffocated in a fire, or jump to my certain death. Holy **** some truthers are sick. I know people who left the fire service because of the jumpers that they witnessed that day. The FD had to user people out other doors because of the sheer amount of jumpers. I had nightmares about the jumpers for many many months. Still do to this day. PS. Thanks for not linking that picture directly, and for giving a warning about it. It turns my stomach.
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28th December 2009, 06:59 PM	#12
Cl1mh4224rd Philosopher Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Pennsylvania, USA Posts: 6,618	Originally Posted by triforcharity I cannot even BEGIN to imagine what kind of pure HELL that must have been, knowing I HAD to choose to either be suffocated in a fire, or jump to my certain death. Firefighter Joe Casaliggi, in the Naudet film, made the comment, "I just remember looking up, thinking, 'how bad is it up there that the better option is to jump?'" That's a heavy thought. Every time I hear it, read it, or think about it, I feel a very obvious weight. Sitting down here, on the ground, in my house, in a comfortable chair, it's easy to look at the pictures and video and think, "Well, they're at windows. They've got fresh air, even with all that smoke pouring out from behind," but... shakes his head
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28th December 2009, 07:05 PM	#13
9/11 Chewy Defense Banned Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Johnstown, PA Posts: 3,593	Originally Posted by Cl1mh4224rd Firefighter Joe Casaliggi, in the Naudet film, made the comment, "I just remember looking up, thinking, 'how bad is it up there that the better option is to jump?'" That's a heavy thought. Every time I hear it, read it, or think about it, I feel a very obvious weight. Sitting down here, on the ground, in my house, in a comfortable chair, it's easy to look at the pictures and video and think, "Well, they're at windows. They've got fresh air, even with all that smoke pouring out from behind," but... shakes his head If I had to option I'd make sure I'd try to get out. But thinking of all those who jumped made me think that's a horrible way to go. 10 seconds of looking at buildings & sky then blackness, I just shudder at the thought.

29th December 2009, 12:17 AM	#15
atecom Thinker Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Australia Posts: 184	There was a truther on youtube, Joe Craine I think it was who used to claim Edna Citron spoke to him in his sleep.

29th December 2009, 12:19 AM	#16
truethat Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 8,622	I read somewhere that the reason the people jumped was the floors were boiling hot and they began to burn from the feet up. So it wasn't really a choice. They had no choice. It was a reaction. I can't even understand the cruelty of gossiping about this woman's picture online. Her family must hurt so much because of it.
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defaultdotxbe Drunken Shikigami Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: The Dark Side of the Sun Posts: 7,482	also of note is Edna Cintron is still listed as a survivor and/or family member who is critical of the "official account" of 9/11 http://patriotsquestion911.com/survivors.html
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Edx Illuminator Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 4,242	Originally Posted by defaultdotxbe also of note is Edna Cintron is still listed as a survivor and/or family member who is critical of the "official account" of 9/11 http://patriotsquestion911.com/survivors.html Wow how disgustingly shamless! Why dont they just list everyone they've ever quotemined. I wonder if Chief Palmer is there as well.
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29th December 2009, 02:28 PM	#19
LashL Goddess of Legaltainment™ Administrator Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 26,180	Originally Posted by Edx Wow how disgustingly shamless! Why dont they just list everyone they've ever quotemined. I wonder if Chief Palmer is there as well. Indeed, he is. And "disgustingly shameless" is a polite way of putting it.

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DGM #4 Join Date: May 2007 Location: West of Northshore MA Posts: 14,303	Originally Posted by defaultdotxbe also of note is Edna Cintron is still listed as a survivor and/or family member who is critical of the "official account" of 9/11 http://patriotsquestion911.com/survivors.html That's actually on a page of "statements". Cover their ass statement. Quote: The public statements of many survivors contradict the Commission Report. And the words and actions of some of the victims on that terrible day are in conflict with the Commission Report. This page of the website is a collection of their statements. The website does not represent any organization and it should be made clear that none of these individuals are affiliated with this website. It's still pretty low.
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