Concealed Carry Passes in Ohio!

Richard G · 8th January 2004, 07:50 AM

http://www.ofcc.net/article1694.html

Finnally. Now I can stop scarring all the hopolophobic sheeple when I go out with a pistol strapped in plain view on my leg (only legal way to carry before). I may now be civilized, and tuck it away in my coat, and save the masses from the horror.

On a more serious note, watch closely. Ohio had record numbers of homocides this year (2003). Cincinnati has seen its most murderous year in 26 years, and for the fifth straight year has recorded more killings than in the year before. The city of Columbus had over 140 people murdered last year.

As a result of this CCW passing, the crime rate will plummet. I will post evidence when the permit system is in full swing (will not take effect until this summer).

Tmy · 8th January 2004, 08:08 AM

ITS A BET!!!! Of course being last year was a record high, the rate will most likely drop anyway. Gun laws or no gun laws. What woudl you consider a "plummet"?

I prefer concealed carry laws over open carrying myself.

Richard G · 8th January 2004, 08:38 AM

For something like 40 years, the state of Michigan has had a crime rate higher than that of Ohio, per capita. (Scource FBI's Uniform Crime Report). The FBI has observed a 10.5% drop in crime across the state of Michigan in the first two years since passage of a concealed carry law there. For the first time in 40 years, Michigan's crime rate has dropped below Ohio's.

In 1999, Michigan's violent crime rate was 4,324.8 per 100,000 people, compared to Ohio's 3,996.4. Legislators and citizens were fed up. Amidst howls from gun control extremists, failed court challenges, and veto-threats, Michigan's state legislature passed a "shall-issue" concealed carry reform bill into law. The state began issuing licenses in the year 2000.

In the first year of widespread licensing, Michigan's rate dropped to 4,109.9, vs. Ohio's increase to 4,041.8 per 100,000 people.

In 2001, Michigan's crime rate dropped below Ohio's for the first time since modern crime trends have been recorded - down to 4,081.5 per 100,000 people, compared to yet another increase in Ohio - up to 4,177.6.

With the success of Michigan's concealed carry law apparent even to some former opponents, the state legislature passed a number of liberalizations to that state's CCW law - making it easier to obtain a license, and to carry a firearm for self-defense in more places. The changes went into effect last July.

The FBI has just released it's 2002 Uniform Crime Report, which reveals stunning facts about the success of Michigan's concealed carry law: amidst a slight upward trend in crime nationwide, Michigan's crime rate has dropped yet again: down to 3874.1, a 10.5% reduction in just three years. In that same time, Ohio's crime rate has increased 5%.

Ohio's murder rate was up a whopping 21.24% last year, while Michigan's experienced a less than one percent change. Ohio's rape rate (already one of the highest in the nation) rose another 13.31% last year, while Michigan's dropped 1.34%. Robberies in Ohio surged 6.5% in 2002, while they dropped a whopping 8.49% across the northern border. Car thefts, which include carjackings, increased 2.83% in Ohio last year, while falling 7.42% in Michigan.

I would expect simlilar, if not better results here in Ohio as the number of permit holders increases.

Thanz · 8th January 2004, 09:22 AM

The violent crime stats posted by Richard G are staggering. A look at Canadian figures shows the following rates for violent crime per 100,000:

National: 965.5
Ontario: 828.5
Manitoba: 1644.4
Saskatchewan: 1811.7 (highest of all provinces)

The population of Saskatchewan is only about 1 million, which may throw off the rate stats a bit. Ontario is just over 12 million, while Ohio has about 11.5 million and Michigan about 10 million.

So, with comparable population sizes, Ontario's violent crime rate is less than 22% that of Michigan's. And we have very restrictive gun ownership laws.

Interesting.

Monketey Ghost · 8th January 2004, 09:29 AM

I see Richard's stats and they cause me to wonder...

"Get out of the car!"

"No, I have a gun, see?"

"Oh, okay then."

or maybe

"Open the safe!"

"No, I have a gun, see?"

"Oh, okay then."

Criminals must be so scared of the idea that others might be carrying, they've decided to go into other business. Riiiiight.

8th January 2004, 07:50 AM	#1
Richard G Muse Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 940	Concealed Carry Passes in Ohio! http://www.ofcc.net/article1694.html Finnally. Now I can stop scarring all the hopolophobic sheeple when I go out with a pistol strapped in plain view on my leg (only legal way to carry before). I may now be civilized, and tuck it away in my coat, and save the masses from the horror. On a more serious note, watch closely. Ohio had record numbers of homocides this year (2003). Cincinnati has seen its most murderous year in 26 years, and for the fifth straight year has recorded more killings than in the year before. The city of Columbus had over 140 people murdered last year. As a result of this CCW passing, the crime rate will plummet. I will post evidence when the permit system is in full swing (will not take effect until this summer).
Richard G Muse Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 940

8th January 2004, 08:08 AM	#2
Tmy Philosopher Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Republic of Massachusetts Posts: 6,489	ITS A BET!!!! Of course being last year was a record high, the rate will most likely drop anyway. Gun laws or no gun laws. What woudl you consider a "plummet"? I prefer concealed carry laws over open carrying myself.
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8th January 2004, 08:38 AM	#3
Richard G Muse Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 940	For something like 40 years, the state of Michigan has had a crime rate higher than that of Ohio, per capita. (Scource FBI's Uniform Crime Report). The FBI has observed a 10.5% drop in crime across the state of Michigan in the first two years since passage of a concealed carry law there. For the first time in 40 years, Michigan's crime rate has dropped below Ohio's. In 1999, Michigan's violent crime rate was 4,324.8 per 100,000 people, compared to Ohio's 3,996.4. Legislators and citizens were fed up. Amidst howls from gun control extremists, failed court challenges, and veto-threats, Michigan's state legislature passed a "shall-issue" concealed carry reform bill into law. The state began issuing licenses in the year 2000. In the first year of widespread licensing, Michigan's rate dropped to 4,109.9, vs. Ohio's increase to 4,041.8 per 100,000 people. In 2001, Michigan's crime rate dropped below Ohio's for the first time since modern crime trends have been recorded - down to 4,081.5 per 100,000 people, compared to yet another increase in Ohio - up to 4,177.6. With the success of Michigan's concealed carry law apparent even to some former opponents, the state legislature passed a number of liberalizations to that state's CCW law - making it easier to obtain a license, and to carry a firearm for self-defense in more places. The changes went into effect last July. The FBI has just released it's 2002 Uniform Crime Report, which reveals stunning facts about the success of Michigan's concealed carry law: amidst a slight upward trend in crime nationwide, Michigan's crime rate has dropped yet again: down to 3874.1, a 10.5% reduction in just three years. In that same time, Ohio's crime rate has increased 5%. Ohio's murder rate was up a whopping 21.24% last year, while Michigan's experienced a less than one percent change. Ohio's rape rate (already one of the highest in the nation) rose another 13.31% last year, while Michigan's dropped 1.34%. Robberies in Ohio surged 6.5% in 2002, while they dropped a whopping 8.49% across the northern border. Car thefts, which include carjackings, increased 2.83% in Ohio last year, while falling 7.42% in Michigan. I would expect simlilar, if not better results here in Ohio as the number of permit holders increases.
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8th January 2004, 09:22 AM	#4
Thanz Fuzzy Thinker Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Centre of the Universe Posts: 3,850	The violent crime stats posted by Richard G are staggering. A look at Canadian figures shows the following rates for violent crime per 100,000: National: 965.5 Ontario: 828.5 Manitoba: 1644.4 Saskatchewan: 1811.7 (highest of all provinces) The population of Saskatchewan is only about 1 million, which may throw off the rate stats a bit. Ontario is just over 12 million, while Ohio has about 11.5 million and Michigan about 10 million. So, with comparable population sizes, Ontario's violent crime rate is less than 22% that of Michigan's. And we have very restrictive gun ownership laws. Interesting.
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8th January 2004, 09:29 AM	#5
Monketey Ghost Body of Work Join Date: May 2003 Location: I'm on your screen! Posts: 14,808	I see Richard's stats and they cause me to wonder... "Get out of the car!" "No, I have a gun, see?" "Oh, okay then." or maybe "Open the safe!" "No, I have a gun, see?" "Oh, okay then." Criminals must be so scared of the idea that others might be carrying, they've decided to go into other business. Riiiiight.
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