15 phone call factoids that contradict the official government conspiracy theory

Galileo · 13th January 2010, 02:26 PM

15 phone call factoids that contradict the official government conspiracy theory

by Rolf Lindgren (Galileo)

1) Betty Ong and Madeline Sweeney on FL11 said there were 4 hijackers, not 5. Both gave the "wrong" seat numbers for the hijackers.

2) Mark Bingham on FL93 said there were 3 hijackers, not 4.

3) Renee May on FL77 said there were 6 hijackers, not 5.

4) Most of Ong's phone call recording is missing.

5) Ong and/or Sweeney gave specific information that the hijackers had guns (which contradicts the "boxcutters" theory). They even gave the exact seat number of the shooter and the shoo-tee.

6) Tom Burnett on FL93 said the hijackers had guns.

7) Todd Beamer's call on FL93 lasted until 10:48 AM, long after the plane was shot down/crashed. The person who took Beamer's call, Lisa Jefferson, heard no screaming or crashing noises.

8) Jeremy Glick's call on FL93 lasted until 11:43 AM, long after the plane was shot down/crashed. The person who took Glick's call, Joanne Makely, heard no screaming or crashing noises.

9) No call on FL93 was attempted after 9:53 (Honor Waino's), except unconnected calls by Edward Felt and CeeCee Lyles at 9:58. No call (besides Beamer's and Glick's) lasted beyond 9:58, when the Sandy Bradshaw and Waino calls ended. The plane supposedly crashed at 10:03 or 10:06.

10) Ted Olson on FL77 lied, he never got a phone call from Barbara Olson.

MORE:

http://www.911blogger.com/node/16015

dudalb · 13th January 2010, 02:37 PM

All throughly debunked bullcrap.

HyJinX · 13th January 2010, 02:40 PM

It's remarkable to see people willfully publish their ignorance and stupidity onto the internet and then pat themselves on the back for it. Nice job, Rolf. You should be proud.

Galileo · 13th January 2010, 02:41 PM

Originally Posted by dudalb

All throughly debunked bullcrap.

The FBI has been debunked?

Galileo · 13th January 2010, 02:44 PM

Originally Posted by HyJinX

It's remarkable to see people willfully publish their ignorance and stupidity onto the internet and then pat themselves on the back for it. Nice job, Rolf. You should be proud.

Are you capable of any intelligent comments on the article?

Justin39640 · 13th January 2010, 02:55 PM

Originally Posted by Galileo

Are you capable of any intelligent comments on the article?

You would need to start off with an intelligent article.

Galileo · 13th January 2010, 03:00 PM

Originally Posted by Justin39640

You would need to start off with an intelligent article.

OK, let's start with # 1:

Where has it been debunked that Ong said there were 4 hijackers on FL11?

Titanic Explorer · 13th January 2010, 03:02 PM

Originally Posted by Galileo

15 phone call factoids that contradict the official government conspiracy theory

by Rolf Lindgren (Galileo)

1) Betty Ong and Madeline Sweeney on FL11 said there were 4 hijackers, not 5. Both gave the "wrong" seat numbers for the hijackers.

2) Mark Bingham on FL93 said there were 3 hijackers, not 4.

3) Renee May on FL77 said there were 6 hijackers, not 5.

4) Most of Ong's phone call recording is missing.

5) Ong and/or Sweeney gave specific information that the hijackers had guns (which contradicts the "boxcutters" theory). They even gave the exact seat number of the shooter and the shoo-tee.

6) Tom Burnett on FL93 said the hijackers had guns.

7) Todd Beamer's call on FL93 lasted until 10:48 AM, long after the plane was shot down/crashed. The person who took Beamer's call, Lisa Jefferson, heard no screaming or crashing noises.

8) Jeremy Glick's call on FL93 lasted until 11:43 AM, long after the plane was shot down/crashed. The person who took Glick's call, Joanne Makely, heard no screaming or crashing noises.

9) No call on FL93 was attempted after 9:53 (Honor Waino's), except unconnected calls by Edward Felt and CeeCee Lyles at 9:58. No call (besides Beamer's and Glick's) lasted beyond 9:58, when the Sandy Bradshaw and Waino calls ended. The plane supposedly crashed at 10:03 or 10:06.

10) Ted Olson on FL77 lied, he never got a phone call from Barbara Olson.

MORE:

http://www.911blogger.com/node/16015

Are you a 'No planer', who thinks no planes crashed on 9/11?

rwguinn · 13th January 2010, 03:03 PM

Originally Posted by Titanic Explorer

Are you a 'No planer', who thinks no planes crashed on 9/11?

No, he/she/it is a troll who thinks he discovered the moons of Jupiter...

Galileo · 13th January 2010, 03:06 PM

Originally Posted by Titanic Explorer

Are you a 'No planer', who thinks no planes crashed on 9/11?

No, I am not. I am Pro-Plane. I am a pro-planer.

scissorhands · 13th January 2010, 03:14 PM

Originally Posted by Galileo

No, I am not. I am Pro-Plane. I am a pro-planer.

No, you are just very boring.

twinstead · 13th January 2010, 03:19 PM

So, Galileo. What does this mean? That the phone calls were faked? That the family members were 'in on it'? What are the implications of your cute little "fact"oids?

Hey...maybe one of the callers said one of the hijackers wore tennis shoes, when we know they had dress shoes on! Inside JOB!

jaydeehess · 13th January 2010, 03:19 PM

Originally Posted by Galileo

The FBI has been debunked?

You did not quote any FBI sources.

scissorhands · 13th January 2010, 03:23 PM

Originally Posted by twinstead

So, Galileo. What does this mean? That the phone calls were faked? That the family members were 'in on it'? What are the implications of your cute little "fact"oids?

Hey...maybe one of the callers said one of the hijackers wore tennis shoes, when we know they had dress shoes on! Inside JOB!

What does he care?
He got some attention, thats the whole point of the op..

defaultdotxbe · 13th January 2010, 03:24 PM

heh, calls lasted after plane crashed = inside job (7,8) calls ended before plane crashed = inside job (9)

DGM · 13th January 2010, 03:24 PM

Originally Posted by twinstead

So, Galileo. What does this mean? That the phone calls were faked? That the family members were 'in on it'? What are the implications of your cute little "fact"oids?

Hey...maybe one of the callers said one of the hijackers wore tennis shoes, when we know they had dress shoes on! Inside JOB!

I'm waiting for him to address the all important "toilet seat up or down" issue.

Galileo · 13th January 2010, 03:31 PM

Originally Posted by twinstead

So, Galileo. What does this mean? That the phone calls were faked? That the family members were 'in on it'? What are the implications of your cute little "fact"oids?

Hey...maybe one of the callers said one of the hijackers wore tennis shoes, when we know they had dress shoes on! Inside JOB!

read the end of the article where it says "Conclusions".

Why are you asking me this when I already answered your question? You treat me like I am low class or something. Please show some respect.

Galileo · 13th January 2010, 03:33 PM

Originally Posted by jaydeehess

You did not quote any FBI sources.

I quoted sources that relied on, and quoted FBI sources.

twinstead · 13th January 2010, 03:34 PM

Originally Posted by Galileo

read the end of the article where it says "Conclusions".

Why are you asking me this when I already answered your question? You treat me like I am low class or something. Please show some respect.

People who treat the family members who lost loved ones on that plane the way you and others like you do and who try to find 'anomalies' in the phone calls deserve NO respect. I categorically reject your "conclusions". How about that?

But thanks for playing.

defaultdotxbe · 13th January 2010, 03:37 PM

Quote:

1) The hijackers had guns. We don't know exactly who they were, were they were seated, or how many there were.

or, alternatively, passengers while panicking about their plane being hijacked, made errors, or assumptions that turned out to be incorrect

Quote:

2) Missing recordings indicate that most of the calls contained information which contradicts the official conspiracy theory.

or that not all calls are always recorded, IE big brother is not watching

Quote:

3) The most heavily promoted calls are most likely to be suspect, and the least promoted calls are most likely to be genuine.

or they just get the most attention paid to them because they are the most widely discussed and referenced

your 15 factoids contradict themselves:

Quote:

10) Ted Olson on FL77 lied, he never got a phone call from Barbara Olson.

12) Five "unknown" calls were made from FL77 to unknown numbers.

if there were 5 unknown calls to unknown numbers, how can you be sure one of those was not barbara olson?

twinstead · 13th January 2010, 03:39 PM

Originally Posted by defaultdotxbe

or, alternatively, passengers while panicking about their plane being hijacked, made errors, or assumptions that turned out to be incorrect

Ya think?

Skeptic Guy · 13th January 2010, 03:41 PM

So you believe that there WERE hijackings, but they used guns, and that some of the telephone calls are 'suspect'? The family members are lying. Wow, you're really something.

Twinstead is right, you don't deserve respect.

defaultdotxbe · 13th January 2010, 03:42 PM

Originally Posted by twinstead

Ya think?

its always amused me how eyewitnesses are infallible one minute (hijackers had guns) but 100% wrong the next (plane hit the pentagon, etc)

Trojan · 13th January 2010, 03:43 PM

Originally Posted by Galileo

The FBI has been debunked?

Which of your 15 factoids is based on FBI detials, which number and cite the FBI source?

Trojan · 13th January 2010, 03:45 PM

Originally Posted by Justin39640

You would need to start off with an intelligent article.

This retort should be framed!

Galileo · 13th January 2010, 03:47 PM

Originally Posted by Trojan

Which of your 15 factoids is based on FBI detials, which number and cite the FBI source?

That's not my job to do. I'm just a journalist.

Galileo · 13th January 2010, 03:49 PM

Originally Posted by defaultdotxbe

if there were 5 unknown calls to unknown numbers, how can you be sure one of those was not barbara olson?

If it was known to be from Barbara Olson, then it would be known. But the FBI concluded after speaking with Ted Olson, that it wasn't from Barbara Olson.

Walter Ego · 13th January 2010, 03:49 PM

Rolf seems to be on ignore, but I wonder if he knew the definition of a "factoid" when he typed the subject line of the OP.

Quote:

A factoid is a questionable or spurious—unverified, incorrect, or fabricated—statement formed and asserted as a fact, but with no veracity. The word appears in the Oxford English Dictionary as "something which becomes accepted as fact, although it may not be true."[1] However, the word can sometimes mean, instead, an insignificant but true piece of information. In either formulation, factoids are potentially factual, just not self-evidently so.

Factoid was coined by Norman Mailer in his 1973 biography of Marilyn Monroe. Mailer described a factoid as "facts which have no existence before appearing in a magazine or newspaper",[2] and created the word by combining the word fact and the ending -oid to mean "similar but not the same". The Washington Times described Mailer's new word as referring to "something that looks like a fact, could be a fact, but in fact is not a fact".[3]

Factoids may give rise to, or arise from, common misconceptions and urban legends.

Substitute "facts which have no existence before appearing on the internet" in the second paragraph above, and you could have a fair description of the TM's approach to "truth." So lets start calling the TM the "Truthoid" Movement.

(Another "oid" comes to mind, too...)

defaultdotxbe · 13th January 2010, 03:51 PM

Originally Posted by Galileo

If it was known to be from Barbara Olson, then it would be known. But the FBI concluded after speaking with Ted Olson, that it wasn't from Barbara Olson.

no, thats not how the FBI works, if they dont have hard evidence of who placed the calls and to what number they wont speculate

twinstead · 13th January 2010, 03:59 PM

Originally Posted by Galileo

That's not my job to do. I'm just a journalist.

No. You're a conspiracy theorist. Calling oneself a journalist assumes some kind of impartiality; you have none of that.

Galileo · 13th January 2010, 04:01 PM

Originally Posted by defaultdotxbe

no, thats not how the FBI works, if they dont have hard evidence of who placed the calls and to what number they wont speculate

I never said they speculated.

Galileo · 13th January 2010, 04:16 PM

Originally Posted by twinstead

No. You're a conspiracy theorist. Calling oneself a journalist assumes some kind of impartiality; you have none of that.

No, I am opposed to conspiracies. I am a conspiracy debunker.

twinstead · 13th January 2010, 04:21 PM

Originally Posted by Galileo

No, I am opposed to conspiracies. I am a conspiracy debunker.

If that's the way you rationalize it, and it makes you sleep better at night, then go ahead--you can call yourself anything you want. But that little list of "factoids" you posted is what a conspiracy theorist would post, not anybody really interested in the truth.

Galileo · 13th January 2010, 04:23 PM

Originally Posted by twinstead

If that's the way you rationalize it, and it makes you sleep better at night, then go ahead--you can call yourself anything you want. But that little list of "factoids" you posted is what a conspiracy theorist would post, not anybody really interested in the truth.

Your icon is an insult to the 9/11 family surviviors and first responders.

beachnut · 13th January 2010, 04:29 PM

Originally Posted by Galileo

The FBI has been debunked?

You claimed you were insane. Are you insane or were you just trying to lie you way past a DUI. Just like your trial in real life, you have not presented evidence to support your conclusion, the delusional title.

You are debunked over 8 years ago. This is very disrespectful making up the lie you posted in the title. All the phone calls support the fact 19 terrorists you apologized for killed on 911. Is this OP due to your claimed insanity, or are you just making up another lie?

Originally Posted by Galileo

That's not my job to do. I'm just a journalist.

You are a 911 truther posting your insane delusions at a skeptics' forum.

You forgot to present the evidence where the quote-mined junk you provided supports your idiotic conclusion. Where is your explicit evidence? No where, you made this up.

Walter Ego · 13th January 2010, 04:31 PM

Originally Posted by beachnut

You claimed you were insane. Are you insane or were you just trying to lie you way past a DUI.

I was wondering how long it would take for this to become a DUI thread.

OT: I don't have time to make 8 more posts tonight, but what is my next "promotion" after Muse?

jaydeehess · 13th January 2010, 04:36 PM

Originally Posted by jaydeehess

You did not quote any FBI sources.

Originally Posted by Galileo

I quoted sources that relied on, and quoted FBI sources.

ooohhh!!

Macgyver1968 · 13th January 2010, 04:36 PM

So what does this list indicate to you Rolf? That the phone calls were faked?

defaultdotxbe · 13th January 2010, 04:39 PM

Originally Posted by Galileo

Your icon is an insult to the 9/11 family surviviors and first responders.

does this make a lick of sense to anyone besides galileo?

Galileo · 13th January 2010, 04:39 PM

Originally Posted by beachnut

You claimed you were insane. Are you insane or were you just trying to lie you way past a DUI.

You are debunked over 8 years ago. This is very disrespectful making up the lie you posted in the title. All the phone calls support the fact 19 terrorists you apologized for killed on 911. Is this OP due to your claimed insanity, or are you just making up another lie?

You are a 911 truther posting your insane delusions at a skeptics' forum.

you have a negative attitude. I am not interested in discussing the issues with you.

13th January 2010, 02:26 PM	#1
Galileo Illuminator Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Middleton, WI Posts: 3,368	15 phone call factoids that contradict the official government conspiracy theory 15 phone call factoids that contradict the official government conspiracy theory by Rolf Lindgren (Galileo) 1) Betty Ong and Madeline Sweeney on FL11 said there were 4 hijackers, not 5. Both gave the "wrong" seat numbers for the hijackers. 2) Mark Bingham on FL93 said there were 3 hijackers, not 4. 3) Renee May on FL77 said there were 6 hijackers, not 5. 4) Most of Ong's phone call recording is missing. 5) Ong and/or Sweeney gave specific information that the hijackers had guns (which contradicts the "boxcutters" theory). They even gave the exact seat number of the shooter and the shoo-tee. 6) Tom Burnett on FL93 said the hijackers had guns. 7) Todd Beamer's call on FL93 lasted until 10:48 AM, long after the plane was shot down/crashed. The person who took Beamer's call, Lisa Jefferson, heard no screaming or crashing noises. 8) Jeremy Glick's call on FL93 lasted until 11:43 AM, long after the plane was shot down/crashed. The person who took Glick's call, Joanne Makely, heard no screaming or crashing noises. 9) No call on FL93 was attempted after 9:53 (Honor Waino's), except unconnected calls by Edward Felt and CeeCee Lyles at 9:58. No call (besides Beamer's and Glick's) lasted beyond 9:58, when the Sandy Bradshaw and Waino calls ended. The plane supposedly crashed at 10:03 or 10:06. 10) Ted Olson on FL77 lied, he never got a phone call from Barbara Olson. MORE: http://www.911blogger.com/node/16015

13th January 2010, 02:40 PM	#3
HyJinX Graduate Poster Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Beyond the Sun Posts: 1,666	It's remarkable to see people willfully publish their ignorance and stupidity onto the internet and then pat themselves on the back for it. Nice job, Rolf. You should be proud.
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13th January 2010, 02:55 PM	#6
Justin39640 Illuminator Join Date: May 2009 Location: New York Posts: 3,646	Originally Posted by Galileo Are you capable of any intelligent comments on the article? You would need to start off with an intelligent article.
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13th January 2010, 03:03 PM	#9
rwguinn Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: 16 miles from 7 lakes Posts: 8,442	Originally Posted by Titanic Explorer Are you a 'No planer', who thinks no planes crashed on 9/11? No, he/she/it is a troll who thinks he discovered the moons of Jupiter...
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13th January 2010, 03:14 PM	#11
scissorhands Graduate Poster Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 1,537	Originally Posted by Galileo No, I am not. I am Pro-Plane. I am a pro-planer. No, you are just very boring.
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13th January 2010, 02:37 PM	#2
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 22,843	All throughly debunked bullcrap.

13th January 2010, 02:41 PM	#4
Galileo Illuminator Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Middleton, WI Posts: 3,368	Originally Posted by dudalb All throughly debunked bullcrap. The FBI has been debunked?

13th January 2010, 02:44 PM	#5
Galileo Illuminator Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Middleton, WI Posts: 3,368	Originally Posted by HyJinX It's remarkable to see people willfully publish their ignorance and stupidity onto the internet and then pat themselves on the back for it. Nice job, Rolf. You should be proud. Are you capable of any intelligent comments on the article?

13th January 2010, 03:00 PM	#7
Galileo Illuminator Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Middleton, WI Posts: 3,368	Originally Posted by Justin39640 You would need to start off with an intelligent article. OK, let's start with # 1: Where has it been debunked that Ong said there were 4 hijackers on FL11?

13th January 2010, 03:02 PM	#8
Titanic Explorer Graduate Poster Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Boston Posts: 1,278	Originally Posted by Galileo 15 phone call factoids that contradict the official government conspiracy theory by Rolf Lindgren (Galileo) 1) Betty Ong and Madeline Sweeney on FL11 said there were 4 hijackers, not 5. Both gave the "wrong" seat numbers for the hijackers. 2) Mark Bingham on FL93 said there were 3 hijackers, not 4. 3) Renee May on FL77 said there were 6 hijackers, not 5. 4) Most of Ong's phone call recording is missing. 5) Ong and/or Sweeney gave specific information that the hijackers had guns (which contradicts the "boxcutters" theory). They even gave the exact seat number of the shooter and the shoo-tee. 6) Tom Burnett on FL93 said the hijackers had guns. 7) Todd Beamer's call on FL93 lasted until 10:48 AM, long after the plane was shot down/crashed. The person who took Beamer's call, Lisa Jefferson, heard no screaming or crashing noises. 8) Jeremy Glick's call on FL93 lasted until 11:43 AM, long after the plane was shot down/crashed. The person who took Glick's call, Joanne Makely, heard no screaming or crashing noises. 9) No call on FL93 was attempted after 9:53 (Honor Waino's), except unconnected calls by Edward Felt and CeeCee Lyles at 9:58. No call (besides Beamer's and Glick's) lasted beyond 9:58, when the Sandy Bradshaw and Waino calls ended. The plane supposedly crashed at 10:03 or 10:06. 10) Ted Olson on FL77 lied, he never got a phone call from Barbara Olson. MORE: http://www.911blogger.com/node/16015 Are you a 'No planer', who thinks no planes crashed on 9/11?

13th January 2010, 03:06 PM	#10
Galileo Illuminator Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Middleton, WI Posts: 3,368	Originally Posted by Titanic Explorer Are you a 'No planer', who thinks no planes crashed on 9/11? No, I am not. I am Pro-Plane. I am a pro-planer.

13th January 2010, 03:19 PM	#12
twinstead Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Big corner office in NWO Towers Posts: 11,576	So, Galileo. What does this mean? That the phone calls were faked? That the family members were 'in on it'? What are the implications of your cute little "fact"oids? Hey...maybe one of the callers said one of the hijackers wore tennis shoes, when we know they had dress shoes on! Inside JOB!
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13th January 2010, 03:19 PM	#13
jaydeehess Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: I beedunk 40 miles from the border Posts: 10,810	Originally Posted by Galileo The FBI has been debunked? You did not quote any FBI sources.

13th January 2010, 03:23 PM	#14
scissorhands Graduate Poster Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 1,537	Originally Posted by twinstead So, Galileo. What does this mean? That the phone calls were faked? That the family members were 'in on it'? What are the implications of your cute little "fact"oids? Hey...maybe one of the callers said one of the hijackers wore tennis shoes, when we know they had dress shoes on! Inside JOB! What does he care? He got some attention, thats the whole point of the op..

13th January 2010, 03:24 PM	#15
defaultdotxbe Drunken Shikigami Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: The Dark Side of the Sun Posts: 7,482	heh, calls lasted after plane crashed = inside job (7,8) calls ended before plane crashed = inside job (9)
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13th January 2010, 03:24 PM	#16
DGM #4 Join Date: May 2007 Location: West of Northshore MA Posts: 14,341	Originally Posted by twinstead So, Galileo. What does this mean? That the phone calls were faked? That the family members were 'in on it'? What are the implications of your cute little "fact"oids? Hey...maybe one of the callers said one of the hijackers wore tennis shoes, when we know they had dress shoes on! Inside JOB! I'm waiting for him to address the all important "toilet seat up or down" issue.
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13th January 2010, 03:31 PM	#17
Galileo Illuminator Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Middleton, WI Posts: 3,368	Originally Posted by twinstead So, Galileo. What does this mean? That the phone calls were faked? That the family members were 'in on it'? What are the implications of your cute little "fact"oids? Hey...maybe one of the callers said one of the hijackers wore tennis shoes, when we know they had dress shoes on! Inside JOB! read the end of the article where it says "Conclusions". Why are you asking me this when I already answered your question? You treat me like I am low class or something. Please show some respect.

13th January 2010, 03:33 PM	#18
Galileo Illuminator Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Middleton, WI Posts: 3,368	Originally Posted by jaydeehess You did not quote any FBI sources. I quoted sources that relied on, and quoted FBI sources.

13th January 2010, 03:34 PM	#19
twinstead Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Big corner office in NWO Towers Posts: 11,576	Originally Posted by Galileo read the end of the article where it says "Conclusions". Why are you asking me this when I already answered your question? You treat me like I am low class or something. Please show some respect. People who treat the family members who lost loved ones on that plane the way you and others like you do and who try to find 'anomalies' in the phone calls deserve NO respect. I categorically reject your "conclusions". How about that? But thanks for playing.
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13th January 2010, 03:37 PM	#20
defaultdotxbe Drunken Shikigami Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: The Dark Side of the Sun Posts: 7,482	Quote: 1) The hijackers had guns. We don't know exactly who they were, were they were seated, or how many there were. or, alternatively, passengers while panicking about their plane being hijacked, made errors, or assumptions that turned out to be incorrect Quote: 2) Missing recordings indicate that most of the calls contained information which contradicts the official conspiracy theory. or that not all calls are always recorded, IE big brother is not watching Quote: 3) The most heavily promoted calls are most likely to be suspect, and the least promoted calls are most likely to be genuine. or they just get the most attention paid to them because they are the most widely discussed and referenced your 15 factoids contradict themselves: Quote: 10) Ted Olson on FL77 lied, he never got a phone call from Barbara Olson. 12) Five "unknown" calls were made from FL77 to unknown numbers. if there were 5 unknown calls to unknown numbers, how can you be sure one of those was not barbara olson?
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13th January 2010, 03:39 PM	#21
twinstead Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Big corner office in NWO Towers Posts: 11,576	Originally Posted by defaultdotxbe or, alternatively, passengers while panicking about their plane being hijacked, made errors, or assumptions that turned out to be incorrect Ya think?
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13th January 2010, 03:41 PM	#22
Skeptic Guy Raccoon Death Squad Leader Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Southeast of Disorder Posts: 6,996	So you believe that there WERE hijackings, but they used guns, and that some of the telephone calls are 'suspect'? The family members are lying. Wow, you're really something. Twinstead is right, you don't deserve respect.
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13th January 2010, 03:42 PM	#23
defaultdotxbe Drunken Shikigami Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: The Dark Side of the Sun Posts: 7,482	Originally Posted by twinstead Ya think? its always amused me how eyewitnesses are infallible one minute (hijackers had guns) but 100% wrong the next (plane hit the pentagon, etc)
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13th January 2010, 03:43 PM	#24
Trojan Critical Thinker Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Pittsburgh Posts: 407	Originally Posted by Galileo The FBI has been debunked? Which of your 15 factoids is based on FBI detials, which number and cite the FBI source?

13th January 2010, 03:45 PM	#25
Trojan Critical Thinker Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Pittsburgh Posts: 407	Originally Posted by Justin39640 You would need to start off with an intelligent article. This retort should be framed!

13th January 2010, 03:47 PM	#26
Galileo Illuminator Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Middleton, WI Posts: 3,368	Originally Posted by Trojan Which of your 15 factoids is based on FBI detials, which number and cite the FBI source? That's not my job to do. I'm just a journalist.

13th January 2010, 03:49 PM	#27
Galileo Illuminator Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Middleton, WI Posts: 3,368	Originally Posted by defaultdotxbe if there were 5 unknown calls to unknown numbers, how can you be sure one of those was not barbara olson? If it was known to be from Barbara Olson, then it would be known. But the FBI concluded after speaking with Ted Olson, that it wasn't from Barbara Olson.

13th January 2010, 03:49 PM	#28
Walter Ego Master Poster Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 2,557	The Irony Meter Is Peaking Rolf seems to be on ignore, but I wonder if he knew the definition of a "factoid" when he typed the subject line of the OP. Quote: A factoid is a questionable or spurious—unverified, incorrect, or fabricated—statement formed and asserted as a fact, but with no veracity. The word appears in the Oxford English Dictionary as "something which becomes accepted as fact, although it may not be true."[1] However, the word can sometimes mean, instead, an insignificant but true piece of information. In either formulation, factoids are potentially factual, just not self-evidently so. Factoid was coined by Norman Mailer in his 1973 biography of Marilyn Monroe. Mailer described a factoid as "facts which have no existence before appearing in a magazine or newspaper",[2] and created the word by combining the word fact and the ending -oid to mean "similar but not the same". The Washington Times described Mailer's new word as referring to "something that looks like a fact, could be a fact, but in fact is not a fact".[3] Factoids may give rise to, or arise from, common misconceptions and urban legends. Substitute "facts which have no existence before appearing on the internet" in the second paragraph above, and you could have a fair description of the TM's approach to "truth." So lets start calling the TM the "Truthoid" Movement. (Another "oid" comes to mind, too...)
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13th January 2010, 03:51 PM	#29
defaultdotxbe Drunken Shikigami Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: The Dark Side of the Sun Posts: 7,482	Originally Posted by Galileo If it was known to be from Barbara Olson, then it would be known. But the FBI concluded after speaking with Ted Olson, that it wasn't from Barbara Olson. no, thats not how the FBI works, if they dont have hard evidence of who placed the calls and to what number they wont speculate
	__________________ I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones. -Albert Einstein

13th January 2010, 03:59 PM	#30
twinstead Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Big corner office in NWO Towers Posts: 11,576	Originally Posted by Galileo That's not my job to do. I'm just a journalist. No. You're a conspiracy theorist. Calling oneself a journalist assumes some kind of impartiality; you have none of that.
	__________________ You are not entitled to your opinion. You are entitled to your INFORMED opinion. No one is entitled to be ignorant. -- Harlan Ellison

13th January 2010, 04:01 PM	#31
Galileo Illuminator Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Middleton, WI Posts: 3,368	Originally Posted by defaultdotxbe no, thats not how the FBI works, if they dont have hard evidence of who placed the calls and to what number they wont speculate I never said they speculated.

13th January 2010, 04:16 PM	#32
Galileo Illuminator Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Middleton, WI Posts: 3,368	Originally Posted by twinstead No. You're a conspiracy theorist. Calling oneself a journalist assumes some kind of impartiality; you have none of that. No, I am opposed to conspiracies. I am a conspiracy debunker.

13th January 2010, 04:21 PM	#33
twinstead Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Big corner office in NWO Towers Posts: 11,576	Originally Posted by Galileo No, I am opposed to conspiracies. I am a conspiracy debunker. If that's the way you rationalize it, and it makes you sleep better at night, then go ahead--you can call yourself anything you want. But that little list of "factoids" you posted is what a conspiracy theorist would post, not anybody really interested in the truth.
	__________________ You are not entitled to your opinion. You are entitled to your INFORMED opinion. No one is entitled to be ignorant. -- Harlan Ellison

13th January 2010, 04:23 PM	#34
Galileo Illuminator Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Middleton, WI Posts: 3,368	Originally Posted by twinstead If that's the way you rationalize it, and it makes you sleep better at night, then go ahead--you can call yourself anything you want. But that little list of "factoids" you posted is what a conspiracy theorist would post, not anybody really interested in the truth. Your icon is an insult to the 9/11 family surviviors and first responders.
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13th January 2010, 04:29 PM	#35
beachnut Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Dog House Posts: 19,905	Originally Posted by Galileo The FBI has been debunked? You claimed you were insane. Are you insane or were you just trying to lie you way past a DUI. Just like your trial in real life, you have not presented evidence to support your conclusion, the delusional title. You are debunked over 8 years ago. This is very disrespectful making up the lie you posted in the title. All the phone calls support the fact 19 terrorists you apologized for killed on 911. Is this OP due to your claimed insanity, or are you just making up another lie? Originally Posted by Galileo That's not my job to do. I'm just a journalist. You are a 911 truther posting your insane delusions at a skeptics' forum. You forgot to present the evidence where the quote-mined junk you provided supports your idiotic conclusion. Where is your explicit evidence? No where, you made this up.
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