CIT Fraud Revealed

[DGM]

Originally Posted by jaydeehess

ahhhh, puts me in mind of a study in the 80s in which it showed that heavy coffee drinkers had a significantly greater risk of lung cancer!!!

The authors of the study had forgotten to take into account who was a smoker and who was not. Turned out that persons who drank a lot of coffee were also more likely to be smokers.

Complete derail but I thought interesting.

When I quit smoking, coffee was one of my hardest challenges. Something about that coffee and a "butt". I'm glad I'm over that, I do love my coffee. (still no "butts")

[/end continuation of a derail]

[Mangoose]

Originally Posted by Cobalt

Suppose we have a room of 100 people. The room is asked, "Raise your hand if you like X."

Five people raise their hand. Now, I never did great at math but, that's five percent(5%.)

Congratulations for providing more math than we have seen from the CIT commando squad.

[Jackanory]

Beachnut, Gumboot, Reheat, BCR

Have CIT been chasing the flight path of shadows?

[beachnut]

Originally Posted by Jackanory

Beachnut, Gumboot, Reheat, BCR

Have CIT been chasing the flight path of shadows?

CIT ignores their witnesses and ignores their limitations. I find it interesting the witnesses motion and point to the south. All of them.
When Madelyn points south, they have to throw out her testimony. They stick with Paik even though he points south, thinking they can have a flight path from Paiks office to north of the Citgo and over the Pentagon, which is impossible. Which makes CIT ideas dumber.

So far mudlark has failed to defend CIT with much more than more false information. Everyone here has given mudlark the best information we can, it is up to him to see CIT is a fraud.

[bje]

Originally Posted by beachnut

So far mudlark has failed to defend CIT with much more than more false information. Everyone here has given mudlark the best information we can, it is up to him to see CIT is a fraud.

One can hope that mudlark is reflecting on just that and wondering why CIT has never produced any positive evidence of an actual "flyover."

[BCR]

Originally Posted by Jackanory

Beachnut, Gumboot, Reheat, BCR

Have CIT been chasing the flight path of shadows?

Darn, even the shadow went SoC. The Citgo station camera on the south side caught it as it passed by

[Cobalt]

Originally Posted by Mangoose

Congratulations for providing more math than we have seen from the CIT commando squad.

I do what I can.

[Reheat]

Originally Posted by Jackanory

Beachnut, Gumboot, Reheat, BCR

Have CIT been chasing the flight path of shadows?

They have been chasing several different shadows to include the primary one that they have any small degree of credibility for at least two/three years. Every single major claim they have made has been soundly and conclusively destroyed, but they persist with nonsensical "yakity yak" on Internet Forums. Their crap contends with beam weapons, mini nukes, and no planes at the WTC for being the most outlandish and stupid theories regarding the events of 9/11.

Quite frankly, there is no reason to even acknowledge that they have a viable theory at all. I'm simply not interested in them any more and am amazed that anyone would do more than ridicule them as opposed to engaging in legitimate debate with one of their numerous socks. They deserve nothing more than contempt, period.

[jaydeehess]

Originally Posted by Reheat

Their crap contends with beam weapons, mini nukes, and no planes at the WTC for being the most outlandish and stupid theories regarding the events of 9/11.

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Well to be honest I see them as simply another no-planer contention. They claim that a plane flew at the Pentagon but the damage was caused by some other means than an aircraft impacting the building. Thus it is a "no plane caused the destruction at the Pentagon " theory, just as the for the WTC we are told no plane caused the damage. They differ only in the method by which they claim that all witnesses were fooled. (Indeed both groups claim no one on site actually witnessed a plane impact a building.)

[cornsail]

Except Pentagon no plane theories actually seem to be really popular in the truth movement. Griffin, Gage and others have also praised NSA.

[roscoe_the_first]

What a shame the black box data confirms a Northern Path and therefore misses the light poles completely. Still why let good solid evidence direct from the NTSB spoil a good Conspiracy THEORY that 19 AYRABS DONE IT.

So nice to see all you Boxcutter Conspiracy Theorists (BCTs) still all penned into the JREF sheep pen so we can come along occasionally and bark at you all through the fence.

None of you can hack it in the other places where you'll find an even playing field so you all get herded here in some mutual grooming ritual. Don't see much of you BCTs out there in the big wide world these days I guess you all come back here to lick your wounds. Nice!

[waypastvne]

Altitude above you.

Runway behind you.

Doctor in a V tail.

Pilots for 9-11 truth.

[dtugg]

Originally Posted by roscoe_the_first

What a shame the black box data confirms a Northern Path and therefore misses the light poles completely. Still why let good solid evidence direct from the NTSB spoil a good Conspiracy THEORY that 19 AYRABS DONE IT.

So nice to see all you Boxcutter Conspiracy Theorists (BCTs) still all penned into the JREF sheep pen so we can come along occasionally and bark at you all through the fence.

None of you can hack it in the other places where you'll find an even playing field so you all get herded here in some mutual grooming ritual. Don't see much of you BCTs out there in the big wide world these days I guess you all come back here to lick your wounds. Nice!

lol

[16.5]

Originally Posted by roscoe_the_first

What a shame the black box data confirms a Northern Path and therefore misses the light poles completely. Still why let good solid evidence direct from the NTSB spoil a good Conspiracy THEORY that 19 AYRABS DONE IT.

So nice to see all you Boxcutter Conspiracy Theorists (BCTs) still all penned into the JREF sheep pen so we can come along occasionally and bark at you all through the fence.

None of you can hack it in the other places where you'll find an even playing field so you all get herded here in some mutual grooming ritual. Don't see much of you BCTs out there in the big wide world these days I guess you all come back here to lick your wounds. Nice!

Now that is authentic frontier gibberish.

It has got to hurt when even the other truthers ridicule your silly no plane theories, no planer.

oh that has GOT to hurt, lulz

[twinstead]

flailing at windmills ROCKS!

[BCR]

Originally Posted by roscoe_the_first

What a shame the black box data confirms a Northern Path and therefore misses the light poles completely.

Actually, that is not true. Head over to the Journal for 911 Studies (a truther site) and you'll find a paper by Legge and Stutt that debunks that myth.

Quote:

None of you can hack it in the other places where you'll find an even playing field so you all get herded here in some mutual grooming ritual.

No, actually when I tried to help your friends at P4T out they banned me because facts and data made them look foolish. So here I am (and I am a truther by the way).

So here you are on a thread done by a truther reporting the findings of another truther (Erik Larson) attacking truthers, not debukers. Strange.

[Dog Town]

Originally Posted by cornsail

Except Pentagon no plane theories actually seem to be really popular in the truth movement. Griffin, Gage and others have also praised NSA.

Gage recanted. Really pissing off the Citizen Idiot Team!

[George152]

Originally Posted by waypastvne

Altitude above you.

Runway behind you.

Doctor in a V tail.

Pilots for 9-11 truth.

Fuel in the bowser.

But your addition should be accepted

[16.5]

well folks, it has been a couple of years, and we have some new friends and some old friends back.

So now is as good a time as any to ask whether CIT ever released the raw video of their entire interview with Edward Paik.

Thanks.

[George152]

Originally Posted by waypastvne

Altitude above you.

Runway behind you.

Doctor in a V tail.

Pilots for 9-11 truth.

Fuel in the tanker
Pile-its for 9-11 'truth'

[beachnut]

Originally Posted by mudlark

That post speaks for itself beachnut. LMAO!
Apart from the fact that it is pure nonsense and manipulation of still images to fit that warped imagnation of yours, how do you explain the PATHS they ALL drew and signed? Slip of the pen or..?

Their paths are impossible to fly. Please pick one that is aerodynamically possible.

Each witness from the CIT video is pointing to the real flight path of 77. The flight path is from RADAR and FDR, with a path of downed lampposts hit by 77 on the real flight path.

Fantasy is saying FDR, RADAR, and lampposts were staged, and ignoring the direction in CIT videos their own witnesses are pointing; South.

[PB&J]

Originally Posted by 16.5

well folks, it has been a couple of years, and we have some new friends and some old friends back.

So now is as good a time as any to ask whether CIT ever released the raw video of their entire interview with Edward Paik.

Thanks.

I don't think this will ever surface. They've thrown so many of their witnesses that 'support' their claims under the bus - Paik's full testimony would be yet another nail in their coffin.

[BCR]

Came across this article in my news feed this morning. It highlights something that we've attempted to tell the CIT crowd for years.

Quote:

Whether it's a shark or a tiny spider, there are many things out there that scare us.

But we may not be in as much danger as we think as our fears can make objects seem much closer than they actually are.

For fear can skew our perception of approaching objects, causing us to underestimate the distance of a threatening one, according to researchers from Emory University in Atlanta, Georgia, and the University of London.

How fear can make scary objects appear closer than they really are - Mail Online

[Childlike Empress]

How fear cannot make scary objects in front of you appear as being behind of you

ftfy re:CIT

[TheRedWorm]

Originally Posted by Childlike Empress

How fear cannot make scary objects in front of you appear as being behind of you

ftfy re:CIT

Yeah, but dishonest editing and quote mining can make people seem to say things they didn't. Also, discounting the most important part of testimony can bolster a ******** scenario.

[000063]

You're kind of missing the point, CE; emotion can and does distort perception of events, especially remembered years after the fact. CIT has to selectively interpret even their own witnesses to support their theory.

[BCR]

Originally Posted by Childlike Empress

How fear cannot make scary objects in front of you appear as being behind of you

ftfy re:CIT

Why thank you CE. You finally understand that SGT Lagasse who was facing his car (south), could not see a plane passing behind him (north). After all these years you finally understand.

[beachnut]

Originally Posted by BCR

Why thank you CE. You finally understand that SGT Lagasse who was facing his car (south), could not see a plane passing behind him (north). After all these years you finally understand.

A big reason CIT witnesses failed to draw the real flight path; yet they all pointed to the "official", as in reality flight path. CIT fraud is easy to see.

[Childlike Empress]

Lol, folks, keep on repeating the ridiculous mantra, i'm afraid for you nobody's listening. btw, just in through the feeds "coincidentally":

Originally Posted by Kevin Barrett

Today I'll be taking calls on this issue, as well as discussing it with former Marine officer and Pilots for 9/11 Truth member Shelton Lankford, who quit the 9/11 consensus panel because it seemed bent on obscuring the obvious fact that there IS a consensus within the truth movement that no 757 hit the Pentagon, and that CIT's research is solid; and Craig McKee, who has replaced a certain tarnished website to become THE "9/11 blogger."

Starts in 100 minutes here on American Freedom Radio. Enjoy and give him a call.

[jaydeehess]

Originally Posted by Childlike Empress

Lol, folks, keep on repeating the ridiculous mantra, i'm afraid for you nobody's listening.

True, the CiT and you keep repeating the absolutely ridiculous mantra of an unseen downing of lamp poles, an unseen influx of aircraft and body parts and the unseen centerpiece of their mantra, a flyover of the aircraft seen approcahing the Pentagon low and fast.


,,,,,,,,,, and nobody's listening, aside from the few crazy no planers who buy into such fantasies.

[000063]

Originally Posted by Childlike Empress

Lol, folks, keep on repeating the ridiculous mantra, i'm afraid for you nobody's listening.

Why are you currently unwilling to engage in any substantial debate on this subject?

Quote:

btw, just in through the feeds "coincidentally":




Starts in 100 minutes here on American Freedom Radio. Enjoy and give him a call.

The funny thing is that truthers aren't sure if it was a missile or a fighter or a cargo plane or a drone. Meanwhile, in NYC, we can't pin you down to explosives, thermite, explosive thermite (), orbital space lasers, holograms, etc. Shanksville was either a plant, or the actual remains of a real plane that was shot down. And almost no Truther is willing to explain what happened to the actual people on board the planes.

So much for consensus.

[Childlike Empress]

Hope you all washed your mouths in the meantime, stream is on now for two hours. First caller wasn't a debunker.

[Childlike Empress]

Too funny. You know that this will be archived, right?

[EvilBiker]

Originally Posted by Childlike Empress

Hope you all washed your mouths in the meantime, stream is on now for two hours. First caller wasn't a debunker.

Seriously??

You're using the fact that the first caller was not a debunker as one-upmanship?

Talk about clutching at straws

Did it ever occur to you that you're flogging a rancid grease stain?

[beachnut]

Originally Posted by Childlike Empress

Lol, folks, keep on repeating the ridiculous mantra, i'm afraid for you nobody's listening. btw, just in through the feeds "coincidentally":

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kevin Barrett
Today I'll be taking calls on this issue, as well as discussing it with former Marine officer and Pilots for 9/11 Truth member Shelton Lankford, who quit the 9/11 consensus panel because it seemed bent on obscuring the obvious fact that there IS a consensus within the truth movement that no 757 hit the Pentagon, and that CIT's research is solid; and Craig McKee, who has replaced a certain tarnished website to become THE "9/11 blogger."

Starts in 100 minutes here on American Freedom Radio. Enjoy and give him a call.

CIT is fraud, and Kevin Barrett and Shelton Lankford are nuts if they think Flight 77 did not hit the Pentagon. Another dumb claim made by idiots like Balsamo. CIT research is solid nonsense.

Another anti-intellectual broadcast. How do you find them? Where is their Pulitzer for breaking this news? lol

[jaydeehess]

Originally Posted by Childlike Empress

Hope you all washed your mouths in the meantime, stream is on now for two hours. First caller wasn't a debunker.

Oooohhh, yeah, that's something I would want to interrupt my workday for

Originally Posted by Childlike Empress

Too funny. You know that this will be archived, right?

Yeah,,,,, naaahhhhh, thanks but no thanks. If there was anything discussed that has not been discussed since "Pentacon" first came out I'll trust you to let us know all about it.
Then, perhaps, if it sounds in the least compelling, I'll take a listen.

Soooo, for instance, any actual unambiguous witnesses to the aircraft seen approaching the Pentagon low and fast having pulled up and flown over the Pentagon yet?

Any witnesses to 'agents' scurrying about downing lamp poles yet?

Any witnesses to aircraft parts, body parts, aircraft seats with bodies still strapped in, being taken INTO the Pentagon yet?

Any reasoned arguement at all for the actual known damage pattern to the Pentagon been fleshed out by CiT or PfT yet?
(you know, like explaining where all the missing 100 feet of ground floor masonry went while also explaining how the generator got moved towards the Pentagon?)

Has anyone at PfT learned physics yet?

[jaydeehess]

Quote:

Shelton Lankford, who quit the 9/11 consensus panel because it seemed bent on obscuring the obvious fact that there IS a consensus within the truth movement that no 757 hit the Pentagon, and that CIT's research is solid

Really?? Seems to me one of the major 911 Truth luminaries doesn't feel that way. What's the opinion on the CiT over there at AE911T? David Chandler? Steven Jones?

I'm also sure that Barrett would agree that April Gallop should give back the money she was awarded for damages caused her by American Airlines, wouldn't he?

ETA: Here's one article that disputes such 'consensus'
http://truthandshadows.wordpress.com...-the-pentagon/

[Childlike Empress]

Originally Posted by jaydeehess

ETA: Here's one article that disputes such 'consensus'
http://truthandshadows.wordpress.com...-the-pentagon/

Oh, thanks, I wonder what the guests might have said to that article.

Was fun, of course as expected nobody was willing to discuss this from a "debunker" perspective. Recording will be available here soon.

[jaydeehess]

Originally Posted by Childlike Empress

Oh, thanks, I wonder what the guests might have said to that article.

Was fun, of course as expected nobody was willing to discuss this from a "debunker" perspective. Recording will be available here soon.

was,,,,there,,,any----thing,,,new,,,put,,,forth???

[jimd3100]

Originally Posted by Childlike Empress

Was fun, of course as expected nobody was willing to discuss this from a "debunker" perspective. Recording will be available here soon.

You don't need to be a "debunker" to know that CIT are dishonest frauds and their "theory" is retarded and disgusting. It's 2012 now - it's an old joke.

http://www.911oz.com/vbulletin/showp...6&postcount=63