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William Parcher · 14th July 2010, 07:09 AM

Mike Greene is back in the news.

Charlotte Observer.com...

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Mike Greene, 68, lives in Salisbury. He's a retired state fraud investigator and has a master's degree in behavioral psychology.

"I'm not the village idiot here and I'm an extremely skeptical person by nature," Greene said.

"I said until I actually saw one myself, no matter what all these other people told me, I didn't believe it for sure. But its true and it's hard to believe but it's true," he said.

You are the village idiot there and you are not extremely skeptical when it comes to Bigfoot. This is a familiar pattern. Dude starts out believing in Bigfoot and is a Bigfooter... then he gets his own sighting.

Another new article with video on Greene.

Quote:

"It is the most ludicrous hobby I can possibly think of," he said.

Yes it is.

Quote:

He says the creatures sometimes travel as a family.

"The women, you can tell they're women, they have great big breasts and they're big and hairy and they're usually dark brown or black," he says.

I don't think he is mistaken about what he sees. I think he is a true hoaxer.

tsig · 14th July 2010, 08:32 AM

Originally Posted by William Parcher

Mike Greene is back in the news.

Charlotte Observer.com...

You are the village idiot there and you are not extremely skeptical when it comes to Bigfoot. This is a familiar pattern. Dude starts out believing in Bigfoot and is a Bigfooter... then he gets his own sighting.

Another new article with video on Greene.

Yes it is.

I don't think he is mistaken about what he sees. I think he is a true hoaxer.

Quote:
He says the creatures sometimes travel as a family.

"The women, you can tell they're women, they have great big breasts and they're big and hairy and they're usually dark brown or black," he says.

I wonder where he picks up dates.

George152 · 14th July 2010, 04:55 PM

Originally Posted by WGBH

Only to skeptics.

So produce a Bigfoot and we'll no longer be sceptical.
Just go where these bigfoot videos have been made and wait.
Ones sure to come along

madurobob · 2nd November 2010, 01:56 PM

A man in the NC mountains has thermal imaging video of bigfoot stealing a candy bar from a stump

Man Lures Bigfoot With candy

I think the thermal image looks a bit too bright and too uniform to be real. But, I'm no expert. Any ideas?

madurobob · 2nd November 2010, 02:10 PM

Dang - although the local fox affiliate published this a few days ago, the video is 8 or 9 months old and already discussed here.... nevermind!

Marduk · 2nd November 2010, 02:12 PM

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.p...ht=Mike+Greene

Howie Felterbush · 2nd November 2010, 02:20 PM

If it's any consolation, madurobob, your thread's title is much better.

Lucian · 2nd November 2010, 03:40 PM

Originally Posted by Howie Felterbush

If it's any consolation, madurobob, your thread's title is much better.

I was a little disappointed to find that it wasn't a Bigfoot made of candy though.

Howie Felterbush · 2nd November 2010, 04:07 PM

Mmmmmm...delicious cryptid.....

mactonite · 2nd November 2010, 04:16 PM

Messin' with sasquatch!

demonunderyourbed · 2nd November 2010, 04:29 PM

well im thinking why not invest in a tranq riffle? or if your placing chocolate bars for"bigfoot" to munch on, why not place some heavy duty Tranquilizers inside them??? sorry but seems that the bfro's new toy is thermal. no expensive suits needed.no zippers to be spotted,as its been stated sit in a car in an suit for ten mins with the heater on and you will light up like you were at chernobyl .

Drewbot · 3rd November 2010, 05:24 AM

Originally Posted by demonunderyourbed

well im thinking why not invest in a tranq riffle? or if your placing chocolate bars for"bigfoot" to munch on, why not place some heavy duty Tranquilizers inside them??? sorry but seems that the bfro's new toy is thermal. no expensive suits needed.no zippers to be spotted,as its been stated sit in a car in an suit for ten mins with the heater on and you will light up like you were at chernobyl .

The key thing about Thermal Imagers, is that they fit the Bigfoot hunter requirements.

Footer:
"I saw one through the thermal imager"

Realist:
"really? Did you get a photo?"

Footer:
"No. The camera adapter wasn't working, and by the time I got it working the batteries had run out, and I couldn't plug it into the generator, because if I moved I might have scared it away."

Drewbot · 3rd November 2010, 05:26 AM

Originally Posted by Lucian

I was a little disappointed to find that it wasn't a Bigfoot made of candy though.

Bingo! Run with that! I want marketing to jump on this, get me Walmart, I want CANDYFOOT on every check-out aisle. We could move 10,000,000 units in the first year, then sell the company to someone and all retire.

The Shrike · 3rd November 2010, 05:36 AM

For those with thermal imaging experience, how does the appearance of Mike Greene's Zagnut-stealing bigfoot compare to other mammals? I thought it looked awfully bright, as in the coat didn't seem to be providing very good (or realistic) insulation for an endotherm.

C_Felix · 3rd November 2010, 05:55 AM

Baby Roooof?

Drewbot · 3rd November 2010, 06:24 AM

Originally Posted by The Shrike

For those with thermal imaging experience, how does the appearance of Mike Greene's Zagnut-stealing bigfoot compare to other mammals? I thought it looked awfully bright, as in the coat didn't seem to be providing very good (or realistic) insulation for an endotherm.

I have often asked how can a Giant Mammal possibly survive in the North woods without an insulating coat similar to a Polar Bears. Polar Bears out of their dens, are notoriously difficult to view with a thermal imager, very little heat reaches the outer layer of the Polar Bear's coat.

http://www.worldofwarmth.com/CMS/images/polarbear.jpg

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LTC8K6 · 3rd November 2010, 06:30 AM

He's likely just another hoaxer and he's completely wrong about thermal and night vison imaging as well.

The Shrike · 3rd November 2010, 11:36 AM

Originally Posted by Drewbot

Polar Bears out of their dens, are notoriously difficult to view with a thermal imager, very little heat reaches the outer layer of the Polar Bear's coat.

That should be case with just about big, hairy mammal in a temperate environment. I guess a good comparison would be a mountain gorilla.

William Parcher · 3rd November 2010, 11:47 AM

Cliff Barackman FLIR videotaped experiments showing himself as dressed, naked and in a gorilla costume. We can see that there aren't huge differences as some would have you think there would be. Scoll down.

Drewbot · 3rd November 2010, 12:05 PM

Polar bears are not like any other animal when it comes to insulation factors in their fur.

You can see a Grizzly bear, but not a polar bear.

http://coe.berkeley.edu/engnews/fall...polarbear.html

madurobob · 3rd November 2010, 12:40 PM

Originally Posted by Drewbot

Polar bears are not like any other animal when it comes to insulation factors in their fur.

You can see a Grizzly bear, but not a polar bear.

http://coe.berkeley.edu/engnews/fall...polarbear.html

Yeah, well we all know how active Berkeley has been in the great bigfoot coverup. I mean, what with all that activity in the 70s with Hawking. I bet they had that advanced light-source technology leftover from scanning their resident bigfoots.

Olowkow · 3rd November 2010, 12:56 PM

Polar bears have some of the best insulating material in the animal world.

Quote:

Despite what we think, a polar bear's fur is not white. Each hair is clear hollow tube. Polar bears look white because each hollow hair reflects the light. On sunny days, it traps the sun's infrared heat and keeps the bear warm at 98 degrees F (when they're resting).

Quote:

http://www.loc.gov/rr/scitech/mysteries/polarbear.html
Most sources indicate that the long, coarse guard hairs, which protect the plush thick undercoat, are hollow and transparent. The thinner hairs of the undercoat are not hollow, but they, like the guard hairs, are colorless.

parnassus · 3rd November 2010, 01:34 PM

agreed; this is the naked ape, ha ha.
he's a hoaxer.

The Shrike · 3rd November 2010, 02:55 PM

So the presumption is that Greene or a collaborator donned a gorilla suit and heated it from the outside right before filming so that it would show up so well?

WGBH · 3rd November 2010, 04:03 PM

No need to "monkey" with the monkey suit. Watch the video. He had the low end temperature settings on the thermal cranked up so high that even the trees were glowing white hot. Either he was doing it on purpose, or he did not know how to use the thermal settings correctly.

demonunderyourbed · 4th November 2010, 11:35 AM

Originally Posted by WGBH

No need to "monkey" with the monkey suit. Watch the video. He had the low end temperature settings on the thermal cranked up so high that even the trees were glowing white hot. Either he was doing it on purpose, or he did not know how to use the thermal settings correctly.

agreed i invested a pound and downloaded it last night. as you say even the trees are glowing..must have been no instructions on how to use it properly.lol

Drewbot · 5th November 2010, 07:12 AM

Here is a Nov. 4th News story about the Mike Greene thermal image.

http://www.fox8.com/news/wjw-bigfoot...,4599277.story

AlaskaBushPilot · 6th November 2010, 05:33 PM

I saw the Youtube with the claim he heard a great big "Darth Vader" breathing. That was a dead giveaway on lying because of the distance involved and his stupid frame of reference.

If you have actually spent any time in the woods straining to listen for animals from a treestand or a blind or a tent because you are worried about bears - you would never make such a claim. This is a townie that saw Star Wars.

To demonstrate this to your own satisfaction, have a friend and yourself try out various distances from immediatly in front of your face on outwards and see how far you have to go in the out-of-doors before breathing cannot be heard, even breathing loudly.

Listen very carefully and catalogue the things you actually can hear. A wind in the tops of the trees. The hum of insects if a stupendous hatch is on. These are the things that honest recall would have you framing the sound of the breathing within.

A large grizzly can make an amazingly loud "hooosh!" with his breath if you surprised him and he is warding you off. Or if he's running and really exhaling loudly.

But this subject is allegedly sneaking a candy bar just on the inside edge of the forest, not aggressively defending territory. Reproduce that situation with your friend and notice how loudly you have to call one another in order to hear - when one of you is inside a tent.

The reason he used the "Darth Vader" recall is that this person has no catalogue of animal sounds due to extremely limited experience. People who have experience with animal sounds use their catalogue of animal sounds to discuss other animal sounds.

I would compare the exhale of a running grizzly to an eagle beating his wings immediately over my head. A deer can make a "hoosh" exhale to warn others in alarm if you stumble into a group of them, but it's a very quick, sharp blast and at a higher tone not matching the deep bellowy hoosh of a bear.

You might compare the panting sound of a canine to the nostril exhales of big hoofed animal, or what have you - but a pretender would use his movie recall because he has no experience to speak of in the woods.

You are going to hear branches being jostled, twigs snapping under foot, leaves rustling, or even pebbles being dislodged before you will hear the normal breathing of an animal moving about. Just experiment with your friend and you will see.

This is a retard insofar as animals and their sounds and movements goes. Therefore, he has all the requisite credentials to claim himself a bigfoot researcher in my ever humble opinion.

Do direct experimentation on your own. This guy is not banking on anyone actually experimenting with sound in the out-of-doors to check into the stupidity of his "Darth Vader" breath statement.

Instead, he just searched his townie brain for ominous breathing sounds to embellish his yarn, knowing the common experience with other townies of having watched the movie Star Wars would inspire in them a false narrative. This brave bigfoot hoaxer was facing Darth-Vader level danger out there in the dark, folks.

Not.

Howie Felterbush · 6th November 2010, 06:44 PM

Have we ruled out the possibility that this guy actually saw Darth Vader in the woods?

Maybe the part where the image is just standing there is Vader trying to pick pieces of Zagnut out of his mouth-grille.

captain koolaid · 9th November 2010, 06:31 PM

Originally Posted by The Shrike

For those with thermal imaging experience, how does the appearance of Mike Greene's Zagnut-stealing bigfoot compare to other mammals? I thought it looked awfully bright, as in the coat didn't seem to be providing very good (or realistic) insulation for an endotherm.

I don't think bigfoot is a mammal.

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WGBH · 10th November 2010, 03:23 PM

AlaskaBushPilot,

Mr Greene got into his car and drove away from the camp ground and left the thermal imager running. How can he hear heavy breathing when he was not even in the area when the images were recorded? Do you mean he heard a recording of it?

Also we do not have Grizzly's here in the Mid-Atlantic. We have Black bear. Perhaps you did not know this happened in North Carolina?

William Parcher · 10th November 2010, 03:43 PM

The heavy breathing was just outside of his tent on a different occasion.

Originally Posted by Mike Greene

Two years ago I had my first thermal sighting of a Sasquatch, very close to where the recent video was taken. It was preceded two nights before by a 3 AM visit consisting of two deep "Darth Vader" breaths right over my head ( "I" was lying down in my tent) and a sharp cuffing of its roof. Being completely unprepared for this,I cuffed the tent wall back. Something large ran away. I went out with my thermal imager, but saw nothing. Two nights later, once again around 3 AM, I was sitting at my picnic table with 4 or 5 other people, bored and sleepy, waiting for someone else to give up first and suggest we all go to bed. Every few minutes I would stand up and thermal scan the area, and the last time I did …. there it was, walking sideways to me, some 80 feet away. Massive shoulders, arms, and back muscles, no neck...

William Parcher · 15th November 2010, 08:21 AM

TBRC says the Greene video shows a Bigfoot.

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While there are some questions regarding certain aspects of the subject in the video, nevertheless, TBRC investigators overwhelmingly posit that the thermal footage is legitimate and is representative of a sasquatch.

Overwhelmingly!

LTC8K6 · 15th November 2010, 08:48 AM

Cool! I'm glad they finally found one!

CORed · 15th November 2010, 12:36 PM

Originally Posted by RioBravo

*Forgive me for not posting any URLs, I don't have the requisite number of posts*

If you go to YouTube and search for "Mike Green Interview" you will find a video of Mike Greene, BFRO reasearcher, offering commentary on the thermal video he shot that supposedly shows a bigfoot. In the video, Greene says that he doesn't know how someone could hoax thermal footage. I guess he means that, if someone were in a suit, the heat signature would appear different from a flesh and blood creature?

Anybody have thoughts on how to hoax a thermal video?

Yawn!

Call me when you've got an actual bigfoot, dead or alive. Until that happens, I'm gonna stick with "There ain't no such animal".

demonunderyourbed · 15th November 2010, 01:04 PM

Originally Posted by CORed

Yawn!

Call me when you've got an actual bigfoot, dead or alive. Until that happens, I'm gonna stick with "There ain't no such animal".

ageeed.....

William Parcher · 15th November 2010, 02:13 PM

Why would the TBRC declare this a real Bigfoot but say otherwise about the Michigan Recording Project? Is it all about Bigfooter politics and who mixes your Kool-Aid?

AlaskaBushPilot · 15th November 2010, 03:40 PM

William Parcher -

Based on the link you posted, one is inclined to hypothesize that the editors of the "news" (entertainment) show I saw cut-and-spliced different parts of the interview to make it sound more dramatic. They conflated two stories to make it sound like he heard Darth Vader right before the filming.

If I go with that theory and take what you have cited here, in pertinent part:

"Around 11:30pm , I was about to start recording and hit the sack, when I heard slight movement in the woods down behind the stump."

My experience tells me this is a lie.

As an experiment have a friend of yours go the same distance across a grassy area and into the woods, past the perimeter and into the deep trees as he states.

I defy you to detect "slight movement" in the interior of the woods. You could detect a large branch falling on the ground. You could detect someone calling loudly.

The first line of trees in a forest, the bushes, etc. provides a tremendous sound barrier to movements of animals or other noise in the deep woods.

It is only under very special conditions that you would be able to hear such a thing - absolutely still air, no insects, a break in the woods, an odd acoustical feature such as a cathedral-shaped rock structure behind the movement to project the sound outward: none of that indicated.

Just a story.

Likewise, the preposterous insinuation that a bigfoot in the woods can hear a video camera's electric motor from a distance and inside the woods -

that counts amongst the stupidest things I've ever heard tell of.

Such an ability puts bigfoot hearing capability at a level our nuclear submarines need to detect Russian sub movement under the polar ice cap.

William Parcher · 15th November 2010, 04:02 PM

Originally Posted by AlaskaBushPilot

...that counts amongst the stupidest things I've ever heard tell of.

And what kind of a dude is this Greene character?

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Mike has an MS in Behavioral Psychology, is a court-qualified Questioned Documents Expert and for 20 years was Chief Investigator for a State Fraud Bureau. He is a pilot and a former EMT and member of the National Ski Patrol.

LTC8K6 · 15th November 2010, 04:33 PM

There a scene in one of Les Stroud's Survivorman episodes (Canadian Boreal Forest) where an adult cow moose is passing near Les and he has no idea it's there until the moose breaks a tree branch.

About 8:15

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvjvQvaZk2s

14th July 2010, 07:09 AM	#81
William Parcher Show me the monkey! Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 8,504	Mike Greene is back in the news. Charlotte Observer.com... Quote: Mike Greene, 68, lives in Salisbury. He's a retired state fraud investigator and has a master's degree in behavioral psychology. "I'm not the village idiot here and I'm an extremely skeptical person by nature," Greene said. "I said until I actually saw one myself, no matter what all these other people told me, I didn't believe it for sure. But its true and it's hard to believe but it's true," he said. You are the village idiot there and you are not extremely skeptical when it comes to Bigfoot. This is a familiar pattern. Dude starts out believing in Bigfoot and is a Bigfooter... then he gets his own sighting. Another new article with video on Greene. Quote: "It is the most ludicrous hobby I can possibly think of," he said. Yes it is. Quote: He says the creatures sometimes travel as a family. "The women, you can tell they're women, they have great big breasts and they're big and hairy and they're usually dark brown or black," he says. I don't think he is mistaken about what he sees. I think he is a true hoaxer.
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14th July 2010, 04:55 PM	#83
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2nd November 2010, 01:56 PM	#84
madurobob Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Blue Heaven, NC Posts: 5,519	Candysquatch A man in the NC mountains has thermal imaging video of bigfoot stealing a candy bar from a stump Man Lures Bigfoot With candy I think the thermal image looks a bit too bright and too uniform to be real. But, I'm no expert. Any ideas?
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2nd November 2010, 02:10 PM	#85
madurobob Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Blue Heaven, NC Posts: 5,519	Dang - although the local fox affiliate published this a few days ago, the video is 8 or 9 months old and already discussed here.... nevermind!
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2nd November 2010, 02:20 PM	#87
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14th July 2010, 08:32 AM	#82
tsig a carbon based life-form Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 26,674	Originally Posted by William Parcher Mike Greene is back in the news. Charlotte Observer.com... You are the village idiot there and you are not extremely skeptical when it comes to Bigfoot. This is a familiar pattern. Dude starts out believing in Bigfoot and is a Bigfooter... then he gets his own sighting. Another new article with video on Greene. Yes it is. I don't think he is mistaken about what he sees. I think he is a true hoaxer. Quote: He says the creatures sometimes travel as a family. "The women, you can tell they're women, they have great big breasts and they're big and hairy and they're usually dark brown or black," he says. I wonder where he picks up dates.

2nd November 2010, 02:12 PM	#86
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2nd November 2010, 03:40 PM	#88
Lucian Master Poster Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 2,545	Originally Posted by Howie Felterbush If it's any consolation, madurobob, your thread's title is much better. I was a little disappointed to find that it wasn't a Bigfoot made of candy though.
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2nd November 2010, 04:07 PM	#89
Howie Felterbush Bow Tie Daddy Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: In the twilight, singing all the old lullabies Posts: 5,333	Mmmmmm...delicious cryptid.....
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2nd November 2010, 04:16 PM	#90
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2nd November 2010, 04:29 PM	#91
demonunderyourbed Thinker Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 247	well im thinking why not invest in a tranq riffle? or if your placing chocolate bars for"bigfoot" to munch on, why not place some heavy duty Tranquilizers inside them??? sorry but seems that the bfro's new toy is thermal. no expensive suits needed.no zippers to be spotted,as its been stated sit in a car in an suit for ten mins with the heater on and you will light up like you were at chernobyl .
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3rd November 2010, 05:24 AM	#92
Drewbot Illuminator Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 3,846	Originally Posted by demonunderyourbed well im thinking why not invest in a tranq riffle? or if your placing chocolate bars for"bigfoot" to munch on, why not place some heavy duty Tranquilizers inside them??? sorry but seems that the bfro's new toy is thermal. no expensive suits needed.no zippers to be spotted,as its been stated sit in a car in an suit for ten mins with the heater on and you will light up like you were at chernobyl . The key thing about Thermal Imagers, is that they fit the Bigfoot hunter requirements. Footer: "I saw one through the thermal imager" Realist: "really? Did you get a photo?" Footer: "No. The camera adapter wasn't working, and by the time I got it working the batteries had run out, and I couldn't plug it into the generator, because if I moved I might have scared it away."
Drewbot Illuminator Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 3,846	__________________ "I dont call that evolution, I call that the survival of the fittest." - Bulletmaker "I thought skeptics would usually point towards a hoax rather than a group being duped." - makaya325 Kit is not a skeptic. He is a former Bigfoot believer that changed his position to that of non believer.- Crowlogic

3rd November 2010, 05:26 AM	#93
Drewbot Illuminator Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 3,846	Originally Posted by Lucian I was a little disappointed to find that it wasn't a Bigfoot made of candy though. Bingo! Run with that! I want marketing to jump on this, get me Walmart, I want CANDYFOOT on every check-out aisle. We could move 10,000,000 units in the first year, then sell the company to someone and all retire.
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3rd November 2010, 05:36 AM	#94
The Shrike Graduate Poster Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: USA Posts: 1,804	For those with thermal imaging experience, how does the appearance of Mike Greene's Zagnut-stealing bigfoot compare to other mammals? I thought it looked awfully bright, as in the coat didn't seem to be providing very good (or realistic) insulation for an endotherm.

3rd November 2010, 05:55 AM	#95
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3rd November 2010, 06:30 AM	#97
LTC8K6 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Directly under a deadly chemtrail Posts: 12,616	He's likely just another hoaxer and he's completely wrong about thermal and night vison imaging as well.
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3rd November 2010, 11:36 AM	#98
The Shrike Graduate Poster Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: USA Posts: 1,804	Originally Posted by Drewbot Polar Bears out of their dens, are notoriously difficult to view with a thermal imager, very little heat reaches the outer layer of the Polar Bear's coat. That should be case with just about big, hairy mammal in a temperate environment. I guess a good comparison would be a mountain gorilla.

3rd November 2010, 11:47 AM	#99
William Parcher Show me the monkey! Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 8,504	Cliff Barackman FLIR videotaped experiments showing himself as dressed, naked and in a gorilla costume. We can see that there aren't huge differences as some would have you think there would be. Scoll down.
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3rd November 2010, 12:05 PM	#100
Drewbot Illuminator Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 3,846	Polar bears are not like any other animal when it comes to insulation factors in their fur. You can see a Grizzly bear, but not a polar bear. http://coe.berkeley.edu/engnews/fall...polarbear.html
Drewbot Illuminator Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 3,846	__________________ "I dont call that evolution, I call that the survival of the fittest." - Bulletmaker "I thought skeptics would usually point towards a hoax rather than a group being duped." - makaya325 Kit is not a skeptic. He is a former Bigfoot believer that changed his position to that of non believer.- Crowlogic Last edited by Drewbot; 3rd November 2010 at 12:14 PM.

3rd November 2010, 12:40 PM	#101
madurobob Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Blue Heaven, NC Posts: 5,519	Originally Posted by Drewbot Polar bears are not like any other animal when it comes to insulation factors in their fur. You can see a Grizzly bear, but not a polar bear. http://coe.berkeley.edu/engnews/fall...polarbear.html Yeah, well we all know how active Berkeley has been in the great bigfoot coverup. I mean, what with all that activity in the 70s with Hawking. I bet they had that advanced light-source technology leftover from scanning their resident bigfoots.
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3rd November 2010, 12:56 PM	#102
Olowkow Illuminator Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 4,794	Polar bears have some of the best insulating material in the animal world. Quote: Despite what we think, a polar bear's fur is not white. Each hair is clear hollow tube. Polar bears look white because each hollow hair reflects the light. On sunny days, it traps the sun's infrared heat and keeps the bear warm at 98 degrees F (when they're resting). Quote: http://www.loc.gov/rr/scitech/mysteries/polarbear.html Most sources indicate that the long, coarse guard hairs, which protect the plush thick undercoat, are hollow and transparent. The thinner hairs of the undercoat are not hollow, but they, like the guard hairs, are colorless.
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3rd November 2010, 01:34 PM	#103
parnassus Master Poster Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: California Posts: 2,565	agreed; this is the naked ape, ha ha. he's a hoaxer.
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3rd November 2010, 02:55 PM	#104
The Shrike Graduate Poster Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: USA Posts: 1,804	So the presumption is that Greene or a collaborator donned a gorilla suit and heated it from the outside right before filming so that it would show up so well?

3rd November 2010, 04:03 PM	#105
WGBH Graduate Poster Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 1,154	No need to "monkey" with the monkey suit. Watch the video. He had the low end temperature settings on the thermal cranked up so high that even the trees were glowing white hot. Either he was doing it on purpose, or he did not know how to use the thermal settings correctly.
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4th November 2010, 11:35 AM	#106
demonunderyourbed Thinker Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 247	Originally Posted by WGBH No need to "monkey" with the monkey suit. Watch the video. He had the low end temperature settings on the thermal cranked up so high that even the trees were glowing white hot. Either he was doing it on purpose, or he did not know how to use the thermal settings correctly. agreed i invested a pound and downloaded it last night. as you say even the trees are glowing..must have been no instructions on how to use it properly.lol
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5th November 2010, 07:12 AM	#107
Drewbot Illuminator Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 3,846	Here is a Nov. 4th News story about the Mike Greene thermal image. http://www.fox8.com/news/wjw-bigfoot...,4599277.story
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6th November 2010, 05:33 PM	#108
AlaskaBushPilot Graduate Poster Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 1,609	Obviously a Hoaxer I saw the Youtube with the claim he heard a great big "Darth Vader" breathing. That was a dead giveaway on lying because of the distance involved and his stupid frame of reference. If you have actually spent any time in the woods straining to listen for animals from a treestand or a blind or a tent because you are worried about bears - you would never make such a claim. This is a townie that saw Star Wars. To demonstrate this to your own satisfaction, have a friend and yourself try out various distances from immediatly in front of your face on outwards and see how far you have to go in the out-of-doors before breathing cannot be heard, even breathing loudly. Listen very carefully and catalogue the things you actually can hear. A wind in the tops of the trees. The hum of insects if a stupendous hatch is on. These are the things that honest recall would have you framing the sound of the breathing within. A large grizzly can make an amazingly loud "hooosh!" with his breath if you surprised him and he is warding you off. Or if he's running and really exhaling loudly. But this subject is allegedly sneaking a candy bar just on the inside edge of the forest, not aggressively defending territory. Reproduce that situation with your friend and notice how loudly you have to call one another in order to hear - when one of you is inside a tent. The reason he used the "Darth Vader" recall is that this person has no catalogue of animal sounds due to extremely limited experience. People who have experience with animal sounds use their catalogue of animal sounds to discuss other animal sounds. I would compare the exhale of a running grizzly to an eagle beating his wings immediately over my head. A deer can make a "hoosh" exhale to warn others in alarm if you stumble into a group of them, but it's a very quick, sharp blast and at a higher tone not matching the deep bellowy hoosh of a bear. You might compare the panting sound of a canine to the nostril exhales of big hoofed animal, or what have you - but a pretender would use his movie recall because he has no experience to speak of in the woods. You are going to hear branches being jostled, twigs snapping under foot, leaves rustling, or even pebbles being dislodged before you will hear the normal breathing of an animal moving about. Just experiment with your friend and you will see. This is a retard insofar as animals and their sounds and movements goes. Therefore, he has all the requisite credentials to claim himself a bigfoot researcher in my ever humble opinion. Do direct experimentation on your own. This guy is not banking on anyone actually experimenting with sound in the out-of-doors to check into the stupidity of his "Darth Vader" breath statement. Instead, he just searched his townie brain for ominous breathing sounds to embellish his yarn, knowing the common experience with other townies of having watched the movie Star Wars would inspire in them a false narrative. This brave bigfoot hoaxer was facing Darth-Vader level danger out there in the dark, folks. Not.

6th November 2010, 06:44 PM	#109
Howie Felterbush Bow Tie Daddy Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: In the twilight, singing all the old lullabies Posts: 5,333	Have we ruled out the possibility that this guy actually saw Darth Vader in the woods? Maybe the part where the image is just standing there is Vader trying to pick pieces of Zagnut out of his mouth-grille.
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10th November 2010, 03:23 PM	#111
WGBH Graduate Poster Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 1,154	AlaskaBushPilot, Mr Greene got into his car and drove away from the camp ground and left the thermal imager running. How can he hear heavy breathing when he was not even in the area when the images were recorded? Do you mean he heard a recording of it? Also we do not have Grizzly's here in the Mid-Atlantic. We have Black bear. Perhaps you did not know this happened in North Carolina?
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10th November 2010, 03:43 PM	#112
William Parcher Show me the monkey! Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 8,504	The heavy breathing was just outside of his tent on a different occasion. Originally Posted by Mike Greene Two years ago I had my first thermal sighting of a Sasquatch, very close to where the recent video was taken. It was preceded two nights before by a 3 AM visit consisting of two deep "Darth Vader" breaths right over my head ( "I" was lying down in my tent) and a sharp cuffing of its roof. Being completely unprepared for this,I cuffed the tent wall back. Something large ran away. I went out with my thermal imager, but saw nothing. Two nights later, once again around 3 AM, I was sitting at my picnic table with 4 or 5 other people, bored and sleepy, waiting for someone else to give up first and suggest we all go to bed. Every few minutes I would stand up and thermal scan the area, and the last time I did …. there it was, walking sideways to me, some 80 feet away. Massive shoulders, arms, and back muscles, no neck...
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15th November 2010, 08:21 AM	#113
William Parcher Show me the monkey! Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 8,504	TBRC says the Greene video shows a Bigfoot. Quote: While there are some questions regarding certain aspects of the subject in the video, nevertheless, TBRC investigators overwhelmingly posit that the thermal footage is legitimate and is representative of a sasquatch. Overwhelmingly!
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15th November 2010, 08:48 AM	#114
LTC8K6 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Directly under a deadly chemtrail Posts: 12,616	Cool! I'm glad they finally found one!
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15th November 2010, 12:36 PM	#115
CORed Illuminator Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 4,281	Originally Posted by RioBravo Forgive me for not posting any URLs, I don't have the requisite number of posts If you go to YouTube and search for "Mike Green Interview" you will find a video of Mike Greene, BFRO reasearcher, offering commentary on the thermal video he shot that supposedly shows a bigfoot. In the video, Greene says that he doesn't know how someone could hoax thermal footage. I guess he means that, if someone were in a suit, the heat signature would appear different from a flesh and blood creature? Anybody have thoughts on how to hoax a thermal video? Yawn! Call me when you've got an actual bigfoot, dead or alive. Until that happens, I'm gonna stick with "There ain't no such animal".
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15th November 2010, 01:04 PM	#116
demonunderyourbed Thinker Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 247	Originally Posted by CORed Yawn! Call me when you've got an actual bigfoot, dead or alive. Until that happens, I'm gonna stick with "There ain't no such animal". ageeed.....
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15th November 2010, 02:13 PM	#117
William Parcher Show me the monkey! Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 8,504	Why would the TBRC declare this a real Bigfoot but say otherwise about the Michigan Recording Project? Is it all about Bigfooter politics and who mixes your Kool-Aid?
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