Sarah Palin: "An Empty Vessel" With "Nothing Going On Mentally"

Walter Ego · 10th February 2010, 02:07 PM

Hardball with Chris Matthews for 2-9-10

MSNBC anchor Chris Matthews forcefully ripped into Sarah Palin's advice that President Obama could "declare war on Iran" to improve his re-election chances, repeatedly calling her "frightening" and claiming she's "an empty vessel" with "nothing going on mentally."

Matthews assailed her ostensible lack of knowledge on military matters and war, claiming she doesn't understand the matter she's discussing. "She has no idea what the Korean War was. She didn't know anything."

Matthews took a direct swipe at her intellect, alleging that "she has nothing going on mentally."

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I AGREE

Sword_Of_Truth · 10th February 2010, 02:09 PM

After which, he went back to jerking off to Obama speech-porn.

dudalb · 10th February 2010, 02:10 PM

Both sides have loud mouths commentators who trash the other side.
I am shocked..SHOCKED..I tell you.

steve s · 10th February 2010, 07:39 PM

When Chris Wallace recently interviewed her he said (I'm paraphrasing) "Fox hired you as an analyst so let's here your analysis of this." and she said "I like what Pat Buchanan wrote about it." I was just waiting for Wallace to say "If I'd wanted Pat's opinion, I would have invited him on the show instead of you." Unfortunately, and predictably, he didn't do that. I guess there's a rule carved in stone that no one at Fox is allowed to say anything bad about her.

When Beck said "Bullcrap" at her for being unable to name a founding father, I was hoping he'd press further and take the opportunity to make a name for himself by being the one to expose her vacuousness to the right. He would have gotten so much publicity that O'Reilly and Hannity would be living in his shadow for a long time to come. Instead he just went back to kissing up to her perky little tush.

Steve s

Thunder · 10th February 2010, 07:40 PM

Originally Posted by Sword_Of_Truth

After which, he went back to jerking off to Obama speech-porn.

uh huh....yeah....thats it.....Hope!!!!....Change!!!!

hgc · 10th February 2010, 08:03 PM

Originally Posted by steve s

When Chris Wallace recently interviewed her he said (I'm paraphrasing) "Fox hired you as an analyst so let's here your analysis of this." and she said "I like what Pat Buchanan wrote about it." I was just waiting for Wallace to say "If I'd wanted Pat's opinion, I would have invited him on the show instead of you." Unfortunately, and predictably, he didn't do that. I guess there's a rule carved in stone that no one at Fox is allowed to say anything bad about her.

The funny thing is that Palin didn't understand what Pat Buchanan said (in his column), and as a matter of fact, took it to be the opposite of what he meant. She can't possibly know the first thing about Buchanan, an ardent non-interventionalist, if she thought he was advocating war with Iran.

But you can also count of Chris Wallace not to highlight embarrassing contradictions such as this (if he even knew it himself).

Beanbag · 10th February 2010, 08:13 PM

Go rent a DVD of Being There and see how frightening the prospect of Palin getting elected really is. Yeah, it's just a movie, but it made me stop and think a bit.

Beanbag

Sword_Of_Truth · 10th February 2010, 08:19 PM

Oy...

Tell me Sarah Palin isn't falling under the spell of that anti-semitic borderline 9/11 twoofer?

varwoche · 10th February 2010, 08:20 PM

Originally Posted by Beanbag

Go rent a DVD of Being There and see how frightening the prospect of Palin getting elected really is. Yeah, it's just a movie, but it made me stop and think a bit.

<grin>.

Sword_Of_Truth · 10th February 2010, 08:25 PM

Originally Posted by Beanbag

Go rent a DVD of Being There and see how frightening the prospect of Palin getting elected really is. Yeah, it's just a movie, but it made me stop and think a bit.

Beanbag

Good thing y'all voted for Biden instead, huh?

Skeptic · 10th February 2010, 10:46 PM

Quote:

Hardball with Chris Matthews

Idiot political pundit doesn't like the other side's popular politician. World shocked.

Skeptic · 10th February 2010, 10:51 PM

Originally Posted by Beanbag

Go rent a DVD of Being There...

Being There had been used as "evidence" against the "Stupid Republicans" ever since it came out. But it doesn't mean it's true.

I might as well tell people to go see Invasion of the Body Snatchers to see "how scary" the idea of "communist sympathizing Democratic politician [insert name here]" winning the elections is.

Really, why do people think these sort of sophmoric name-calling is "debate"?

fishbob · 10th February 2010, 11:17 PM

Originally Posted by Skeptic

Being There had been used as "evidence" against the "Stupid Republicans" ever since it came out. But it doesn't mean it's true.

He said it made him think, not that it was true.

Sporanox · 11th February 2010, 01:20 AM

Originally Posted by fishbob

He said it made him think, not that it was true.

He did say it was the image of POTUS Palin's term.

Megalodon · 11th February 2010, 02:05 AM

Originally Posted by Skeptic

Idiot political pundit doesn't like the other side's popular politician. World shocked.

Originally Posted by Skeptic

Really, why do people think these sort of sophmoric name-calling is "debate"?

GreNME · 11th February 2010, 02:24 AM

I think Skeptic is impervious to Hubris, Megalodon. At least, he's impervious to acknowledging it.

ponderingturtle · 11th February 2010, 04:28 AM

Originally Posted by Skeptic

Idiot political pundit doesn't like the other side's popular politician. World shocked.

She is not a politician anymore, remember she quit that job. She is now a pundit.

Skeptic · 11th February 2010, 04:38 AM

Fair enough, ponderingturtle. But somehow, "Pundit calls another pundit an idiot" is even less shocking than "pundit calling politician an idiot".

Megalodon · 11th February 2010, 05:14 AM

Originally Posted by GreNME

I think Skeptic is impervious to Hubris, Megalodon. At least, he's impervious to acknowledging it.

As far as I'm concerned, Skeptic has only entertainment value.

aggle-rithm · 11th February 2010, 05:18 AM

Originally Posted by steve s

Instead he just went back to kissing up to her perky little tush.

Steve s

Her only hope is that it stays perky until 2012.

aggle-rithm · 11th February 2010, 05:21 AM

Originally Posted by Skeptic

Being There had been used as "evidence" against the "Stupid Republicans" ever since it came out. But it doesn't mean it's true.

There's only one way to find out: Let's elect her president and see what happens.

C'mon, it'll be fun!

INRM · 11th February 2010, 08:47 AM

He's right, Sarah Palin is quite ignorant

BTW: I'm opposed to waging war on Iran because I think they'd put up a hell of a fight and we'd need a draft, and I don't want to serve. I love America a lot, but not enough to actually pick up a gun and risk getting my head blown off to defend it.

Either that or we'd need a lot of PMC's and I don't like them either and feel they are dangerous, and completely circumvent international law and are used deliberately as such.

INRM

Random · 11th February 2010, 10:13 AM

Originally Posted by Skeptic

Idiot political pundit doesn't like the other side's popular politician. World shocked.

Chris Matthews is not liberal, he just sucks up to whoever has political power. If that’s Obama, then he sucks up to Obama, when it was Bush, he sucked up to Bush. He is betting that Palin will go nowhere politically, which is a pretty good bet IMO.

Beanbag · 11th February 2010, 02:14 PM

Originally Posted by Skeptic

Being There had been used as "evidence" against the "Stupid Republicans" ever since it came out. But it doesn't mean it's true.

I look on it more as insight to the marketing aspect of a political candidate. As the pallbearers said, sometimes it's better if a candidate has no history or past to haunt him.

Sara Palin came out of left field. They had the option of bringing her up they way they wanted, groom her as needed, and (hopefully) package the perfect candidate, just like Chauncey Gardner.

No particular political party implied. Not even Palin in particular. It works with anyone.

Beanbag

Dorian Gray · 11th February 2010, 02:29 PM

Originally Posted by parky76

uh huh....yeah....thats it.....Hope!!!!....Change!!!!

Unh... Ahhh....... AHHHHHHH.......AHHHHHHHHHHHHHH.........AHHHHHHHHHH HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH ...................AUDACITY!!!!!!!!

Dorian Gray · 11th February 2010, 02:31 PM

So much for Fox not being a political arm of the Republican Party, huh.

Ziggurat · 11th February 2010, 02:37 PM

Originally Posted by INRM

BTW: I'm opposed to waging war on Iran because I think they'd put up a hell of a fight and we'd need a draft

That depends very much on what sort of war you want to fight against Iran. If you want to march on Tehran and conquer it, yeah, that would take a LOT of troops. If you want to pummel it from above for a few days to months to degrade their capabilities, stopping when we're satisfied, then you don't need that many troops and you definitely don't need a draft. The generic phrase "war with Iran" doesn't indicate what kind of war we're talking about, but I'm pretty sure only the latter is under much consideration, not the former.

Skeptic · 11th February 2010, 04:08 PM

Originally Posted by INRM

BTW: I'm opposed to waging war on Iran because I think they'd put up a hell of a fight and we'd need a draft, and I don't want to serve. I love America a lot, but not enough to actually pick up a gun and risk getting my head blown off to defend it.

You love living in America, you mean -- that is, as long as you're assured that other people will pick up a gun and risk getting their head blown off to defend it, or rather, to defend you.

There's quite a bit to love in that state of affairs. All of America's benefits, none of the risks. Yes, you might have old veterans like myself wondering how anybody can so openly admit to being a freeloading coward and still look himself in the mirror. But hey, I'm older than you, and apparently autre temps, autre mores.

At least you admit that those who do serve do so out of love of country, and not because they're robotic brainwashed fascists, or something. That, with all seriousness, is a significant point. At least you aren't trying to turn cowardice and freeloading into a positive virtue.

10th February 2010, 07:39 PM	#4
steve s Illuminator Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 3,657	When Chris Wallace recently interviewed her he said (I'm paraphrasing) "Fox hired you as an analyst so let's here your analysis of this." and she said "I like what Pat Buchanan wrote about it." I was just waiting for Wallace to say "If I'd wanted Pat's opinion, I would have invited him on the show instead of you." Unfortunately, and predictably, he didn't do that. I guess there's a rule carved in stone that no one at Fox is allowed to say anything bad about her. When Beck said "Bullcrap" at her for being unable to name a founding father, I was hoping he'd press further and take the opportunity to make a name for himself by being the one to expose her vacuousness to the right. He would have gotten so much publicity that O'Reilly and Hannity would be living in his shadow for a long time to come. Instead he just went back to kissing up to her perky little tush. Steve s
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10th February 2010, 08:03 PM	#6
hgc Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 12,986	Originally Posted by steve s When Chris Wallace recently interviewed her he said (I'm paraphrasing) "Fox hired you as an analyst so let's here your analysis of this." and she said "I like what Pat Buchanan wrote about it." I was just waiting for Wallace to say "If I'd wanted Pat's opinion, I would have invited him on the show instead of you." Unfortunately, and predictably, he didn't do that. I guess there's a rule carved in stone that no one at Fox is allowed to say anything bad about her. The funny thing is that Palin didn't understand what Pat Buchanan said (in his column), and as a matter of fact, took it to be the opposite of what he meant. She can't possibly know the first thing about Buchanan, an ardent non-interventionalist, if she thought he was advocating war with Iran. But you can also count of Chris Wallace not to highlight embarrassing contradictions such as this (if he even knew it himself).
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10th February 2010, 08:13 PM	#7
Beanbag Master Poster Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Dallas/Fort Worth Posts: 2,709	Go rent a DVD of Being There and see how frightening the prospect of Palin getting elected really is. Yeah, it's just a movie, but it made me stop and think a bit. Beanbag
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10th February 2010, 08:20 PM	#9
varwoche Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Puget Sound Posts: 7,226	Originally Posted by Beanbag Go rent a DVD of Being There and see how frightening the prospect of Palin getting elected really is. Yeah, it's just a movie, but it made me stop and think a bit. <grin>.
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10th February 2010, 11:17 PM	#13
fishbob Seasonally Disaffected Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Chilly Undieville Posts: 5,666	Originally Posted by Skeptic Being There had been used as "evidence" against the "Stupid Republicans" ever since it came out. But it doesn't mean it's true. He said it made him think, not that it was true.
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10th February 2010, 02:09 PM	#2
Sword_Of_Truth Penultimate Amazing Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 11,497	After which, he went back to jerking off to Obama speech-porn.

10th February 2010, 02:10 PM	#3
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 22,782	Both sides have loud mouths commentators who trash the other side. I am shocked..SHOCKED..I tell you.

10th February 2010, 07:40 PM	#5
Thunder Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Queens Posts: 34,947	Originally Posted by Sword_Of_Truth After which, he went back to jerking off to Obama speech-porn. uh huh....yeah....thats it.....Hope!!!!....Change!!!!

10th February 2010, 08:19 PM	#8
Sword_Of_Truth Penultimate Amazing Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 11,497	Oy... Tell me Sarah Palin isn't falling under the spell of that anti-semitic borderline 9/11 twoofer?

10th February 2010, 08:25 PM	#10
Sword_Of_Truth Penultimate Amazing Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 11,497	Originally Posted by Beanbag Go rent a DVD of Being There and see how frightening the prospect of Palin getting elected really is. Yeah, it's just a movie, but it made me stop and think a bit. Beanbag Good thing y'all voted for Biden instead, huh?

10th February 2010, 10:46 PM	#11
Skeptic Banned Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Behind the chessboard Posts: 18,361	Quote: Hardball with Chris Matthews Idiot political pundit doesn't like the other side's popular politician. World shocked.

10th February 2010, 10:51 PM	#12
Skeptic Banned Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Behind the chessboard Posts: 18,361	Originally Posted by Beanbag Go rent a DVD of Being There... Being There had been used as "evidence" against the "Stupid Republicans" ever since it came out. But it doesn't mean it's true. I might as well tell people to go see Invasion of the Body Snatchers to see "how scary" the idea of "communist sympathizing Democratic politician [insert name here]" winning the elections is. Really, why do people think these sort of sophmoric name-calling is "debate"?

11th February 2010, 01:20 AM	#14
Sporanox Muse Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: in the black Posts: 899	Originally Posted by fishbob He said it made him think, not that it was true. He did say it was the image of POTUS Palin's term.
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11th February 2010, 02:05 AM	#15
Megalodon Master Poster Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 2,521	Originally Posted by Skeptic Idiot political pundit doesn't like the other side's popular politician. World shocked. Originally Posted by Skeptic Really, why do people think these sort of sophmoric name-calling is "debate"?
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11th February 2010, 02:24 AM	#16
GreNME Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Folsom Prison Posts: 8,283	I think Skeptic is impervious to Hubris, Megalodon. At least, he's impervious to acknowledging it.
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11th February 2010, 04:28 AM	#17
ponderingturtle Orthogonal Vector Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Tarrytown, NY Posts: 26,417	Originally Posted by Skeptic Idiot political pundit doesn't like the other side's popular politician. World shocked. She is not a politician anymore, remember she quit that job. She is now a pundit.
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11th February 2010, 04:38 AM	#18
Skeptic Banned Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Behind the chessboard Posts: 18,361	Fair enough, ponderingturtle. But somehow, "Pundit calls another pundit an idiot" is even less shocking than "pundit calling politician an idiot".

11th February 2010, 05:14 AM	#19
Megalodon Master Poster Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 2,521	Originally Posted by GreNME I think Skeptic is impervious to Hubris, Megalodon. At least, he's impervious to acknowledging it. As far as I'm concerned, Skeptic has only entertainment value.
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11th February 2010, 05:18 AM	#20
aggle-rithm Ardent Formulist Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 14,149	Originally Posted by steve s Instead he just went back to kissing up to her perky little tush. Steve s Her only hope is that it stays perky until 2012.
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11th February 2010, 05:21 AM	#21
aggle-rithm Ardent Formulist Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 14,149	Originally Posted by Skeptic Being There had been used as "evidence" against the "Stupid Republicans" ever since it came out. But it doesn't mean it's true. There's only one way to find out: Let's elect her president and see what happens. C'mon, it'll be fun!
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11th February 2010, 08:47 AM	#22
INRM Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 5,490	He's right, Sarah Palin is quite ignorant BTW: I'm opposed to waging war on Iran because I think they'd put up a hell of a fight and we'd need a draft, and I don't want to serve. I love America a lot, but not enough to actually pick up a gun and risk getting my head blown off to defend it. Either that or we'd need a lot of PMC's and I don't like them either and feel they are dangerous, and completely circumvent international law and are used deliberately as such. INRM
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11th February 2010, 10:13 AM	#23
Random Master Poster Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 2,457	Originally Posted by Skeptic Idiot political pundit doesn't like the other side's popular politician. World shocked. Chris Matthews is not liberal, he just sucks up to whoever has political power. If that’s Obama, then he sucks up to Obama, when it was Bush, he sucked up to Bush. He is betting that Palin will go nowhere politically, which is a pretty good bet IMO.
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11th February 2010, 02:14 PM	#24
Beanbag Master Poster Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Dallas/Fort Worth Posts: 2,709	Originally Posted by Skeptic Being There had been used as "evidence" against the "Stupid Republicans" ever since it came out. But it doesn't mean it's true. I look on it more as insight to the marketing aspect of a political candidate. As the pallbearers said, sometimes it's better if a candidate has no history or past to haunt him. Sara Palin came out of left field. They had the option of bringing her up they way they wanted, groom her as needed, and (hopefully) package the perfect candidate, just like Chauncey Gardner. No particular political party implied. Not even Palin in particular. It works with anyone. Beanbag
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11th February 2010, 02:29 PM	#25
Dorian Gray Hypocrisy Detector Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Dayton, Ohio Posts: 20,193	Originally Posted by parky76 uh huh....yeah....thats it.....Hope!!!!....Change!!!! Unh... Ahhh....... AHHHHHHH.......AHHHHHHHHHHHHHH.........AHHHHHHHHHH HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH ...................AUDACITY!!!!!!!!
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11th February 2010, 02:31 PM	#26
Dorian Gray Hypocrisy Detector Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Dayton, Ohio Posts: 20,193	So much for Fox not being a political arm of the Republican Party, huh.
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11th February 2010, 02:37 PM	#27
Ziggurat Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 26,176	Originally Posted by INRM BTW: I'm opposed to waging war on Iran because I think they'd put up a hell of a fight and we'd need a draft That depends very much on what sort of war you want to fight against Iran. If you want to march on Tehran and conquer it, yeah, that would take a LOT of troops. If you want to pummel it from above for a few days to months to degrade their capabilities, stopping when we're satisfied, then you don't need that many troops and you definitely don't need a draft. The generic phrase "war with Iran" doesn't indicate what kind of war we're talking about, but I'm pretty sure only the latter is under much consideration, not the former.
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11th February 2010, 04:08 PM	#28
Skeptic Banned Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Behind the chessboard Posts: 18,361	Originally Posted by INRM BTW: I'm opposed to waging war on Iran because I think they'd put up a hell of a fight and we'd need a draft, and I don't want to serve. I love America a lot, but not enough to actually pick up a gun and risk getting my head blown off to defend it. You love living in America, you mean -- that is, as long as you're assured that other people will pick up a gun and risk getting their head blown off to defend it, or rather, to defend you. There's quite a bit to love in that state of affairs. All of America's benefits, none of the risks. Yes, you might have old veterans like myself wondering how anybody can so openly admit to being a freeloading coward and still look himself in the mirror. But hey, I'm older than you, and apparently autre temps, autre mores. At least you admit that those who do serve do so out of love of country, and not because they're robotic brainwashed fascists, or something. That, with all seriousness, is a significant point. At least you aren't trying to turn cowardice and freeloading into a positive virtue.