KSM was indicted by a NY court before we had him in custody

BigAl · 11th February 2010, 07:19 AM

I'm listening to a discussion of how and where to try KSM. It's on the radio and one of the speakers has just said that a NY court handed down an indictment
(presumably based on evidence) before we captured him.

Can someone point me to that indictment?

(I'm not defending KSM.)

dtugg · 11th February 2010, 07:50 AM

I believe he was secretly indicted for his role in the Bojinka plot. That must be what you are talking about because he was charged with 9/11 only two years ago.

dudalb · 11th February 2010, 11:19 AM

It happens all the time, A number of fugitives have been indcited without being arrested.
For instance, Michael Jackson's doctor was indicted before he was taken into custody.

defaultdotxbe · 11th February 2010, 06:23 PM

this was pretty standard during the clinton administration, OBL was also indicted for the US embassy bombings in kenya

Jackanory · 12th February 2010, 07:15 AM

Originally Posted by BigAl

I'm listening to a discussion of how and where to try KSM. It's on the radio and one of the speakers has just said that a NY court handed down an indictment
(presumably based on evidence) before we captured him.

Can someone point me to that indictment?

(I'm not defending KSM.)

KSM has no defence. He will admit his guilt and he will eventually put the final nail into the festering coffin of the 911 truth movement. I would say that his capture was no mistake and I would speculate that his indictment, amongst other indictments, was the result of numerous intelligence organisations doing their job. Waterboarding and all.

Perhaps a phone call to his defence team or a PM to the resident terrorist apologists could muster some info on the wording of those indictments. After all, they are surely the ones who would be in the know and trying to get this innocent patsy released. No!

switchpoint · 12th February 2010, 07:57 AM

Actually the indictment itself is on Findlaw. Was just looking at it. Keep going around with a truther on another site who insist the evidence of the "official story" would never hold up in a court of law. I politely pointed out that it already had. He, of course, responded that it would it never hold up in a NEW case in a court of law. And on, and on, and on.

switchpoint · 12th February 2010, 07:59 AM

Here it is on FindLaw:

http://fl1.findlaw.com/news.findlaw....20808chrgs.pdf

BigAl · 12th February 2010, 08:05 AM

Originally Posted by switchpoint

Here it is on FindLaw:

http://fl1.findlaw.com/news.findlaw....20808chrgs.pdf

Thanks, the indictment has lots of pre-9/11 claims but the document itself is dates 2008 and hence, a fiction made up by the NWO. I would like to have a link to a document dated prior to 9/11/2001.

switchpoint · 12th February 2010, 08:16 AM

Originally Posted by BigAl

Thanks, the indictment has lots of pre-9/11 claims but the document itself is dates 2008 and hence, a fiction made up by the NWO. I would like to have a link to a document dated prior to 9/11/2001.

Ok, that's all I got, sorry. I am little confused - are they saying he was indicted before 9/11 for 9/11? Or are they saying that he was indicted before 9/11 for other crimes?

Dave Rogers · 12th February 2010, 08:27 AM

Originally Posted by switchpoint

Ok, that's all I got, sorry. I am little confused -

No, you're a little Poe'd. Look up Poe's Law, if you don't know it already.

BigAl, shame on you for hazing the new guy.

Dave

switchpoint · 12th February 2010, 12:46 PM

Originally Posted by Dave Rogers

No, you're a little Poe'd. Look up Poe's Law, if you don't know it already.

BigAl, shame on you for hazing the new guy.

Dave

Ok, you got me. And no, I had not heard of Poe's Law, looked it up very interesting.

As background I've been bouncing around truther forums for about 6 years, aggravating the true believers. I've been banned on all of them. I was comically threatened by JFK on loose ~~nuts~~ change. He looked at my IP address and threatened to send an email to what he thought was my employer and tell them what I was doing at work. It would have been pretty funny in that the IP address was in the name of a third party IT subcontractor who could care less what I did at my computer.

When Killclown still had his forum I was banned after about 9 months because I wasn't "contributing" anything. For about a year after I was banned they would repost my remarks and claim I was too much of a coward to answer their challenges.

I have been lurking on this forum for about 5 years, I do not have the techincal background for the more in depth aspects such as the FDR decoding and have no experience with planes except flying to Vegas for vacation.

I do have a background in construction and demolition. I've had to occassionally hold my "tongue" on some of the truther forums when the stupid got real deep. I had one guy, trying to sound all technical and serious try to tell me that they get rebar in concrete slabs by pouring the bottom half, letting it set up, putting the rebar on top of the cured concrete and then placing the top half. He was quite serious. Actually, I think my response to him is what got me banned.

My goal personnally is to make sure none of this idiocy goes unchallenged. I shiver thinking of the day, maybe five years from now, when some kid doing a high school paper, with no personal memory of that day, looks up 9/11 and sees some this crap and thinks it may be legit.

Just one more point - this really started when about 6 years ago my teenage son sat down to dinner and we started to discuss science in general and he asked me if I thought we really went to the moon. Then I knew this conspiracy stuff was really starting to agitate its way into the popular culture. You see, when I was a kid my Dad worked in a factory where they made gauges. The company got a NASA contract to make gauges for the Apollo mission including the moon missions. Because he had security clearance from working at a McDonald Dougalss plant making fighters, he and three other guys worked on all the NASA stuff. So when we were watching the first moon landing we were thinking about how maybe something he had worked on may be on the lander. Maybe it was true, maybe not but I was very proud about that connection.

What I don't want to have happen is for my son to be sitting down with one of his kids years from now and have them ask him if he thought terrorist really caused 9/11.

Dave Rogers · 15th February 2010, 01:30 AM

Originally Posted by switchpoint

Just one more point - this really started when about 6 years ago my teenage son sat down to dinner and we started to discuss science in general and he asked me if I thought we really went to the moon. Then I knew this conspiracy stuff was really starting to agitate its way into the popular culture. You see, when I was a kid my Dad worked in a factory where they made gauges. The company got a NASA contract to make gauges for the Apollo mission including the moon missions. Because he had security clearance from working at a McDonald Dougalss plant making fighters, he and three other guys worked on all the NASA stuff. So when we were watching the first moon landing we were thinking about how maybe something he had worked on may be on the lander. Maybe it was true, maybe not but I was very proud about that connection.

I envy your Dad. I'd love to have built something that made it off this rock and on to another one. 'Welcome to the forum' isn't, perhaps, the right message if you've been here five years, but it's good to hear from you.

Dave

11th February 2010, 07:19 AM	#1
BigAl Philosopher Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 5,398	KSM was indicted by a NY court before we had him in custody I'm listening to a discussion of how and where to try KSM. It's on the radio and one of the speakers has just said that a NY court handed down an indictment (presumably based on evidence) before we captured him. Can someone point me to that indictment? (I'm not defending KSM.)
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11th February 2010, 06:23 PM	#4
defaultdotxbe Drunken Shikigami Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: The Dark Side of the Sun Posts: 7,482	this was pretty standard during the clinton administration, OBL was also indicted for the US embassy bombings in kenya
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12th February 2010, 07:15 AM	#5
Jackanory Graduate Poster Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: UK Posts: 1,339	Originally Posted by BigAl I'm listening to a discussion of how and where to try KSM. It's on the radio and one of the speakers has just said that a NY court handed down an indictment (presumably based on evidence) before we captured him. Can someone point me to that indictment? (I'm not defending KSM.) KSM has no defence. He will admit his guilt and he will eventually put the final nail into the festering coffin of the 911 truth movement. I would say that his capture was no mistake and I would speculate that his indictment, amongst other indictments, was the result of numerous intelligence organisations doing their job. Waterboarding and all. Perhaps a phone call to his defence team or a PM to the resident terrorist apologists could muster some info on the wording of those indictments. After all, they are surely the ones who would be in the know and trying to get this innocent patsy released. No!
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12th February 2010, 07:57 AM	#6
switchpoint Thinker Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 142	Actually the indictment itself is on Findlaw. Was just looking at it. Keep going around with a truther on another site who insist the evidence of the "official story" would never hold up in a court of law. I politely pointed out that it already had. He, of course, responded that it would it never hold up in a NEW case in a court of law. And on, and on, and on.
switchpoint Thinker Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 142

12th February 2010, 07:59 AM	#7
switchpoint Thinker Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 142	Here it is on FindLaw: http://fl1.findlaw.com/news.findlaw....20808chrgs.pdf
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11th February 2010, 07:50 AM	#2
dtugg Banned Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: NWO headquarters Posts: 7,898	I believe he was secretly indicted for his role in the Bojinka plot. That must be what you are talking about because he was charged with 9/11 only two years ago.

11th February 2010, 11:19 AM	#3
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 22,848	It happens all the time, A number of fugitives have been indcited without being arrested. For instance, Michael Jackson's doctor was indicted before he was taken into custody.

12th February 2010, 08:05 AM	#8
BigAl Philosopher Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 5,398	Originally Posted by switchpoint Here it is on FindLaw: http://fl1.findlaw.com/news.findlaw....20808chrgs.pdf Thanks, the indictment has lots of pre-9/11 claims but the document itself is dates 2008 and hence, a fiction made up by the NWO. I would like to have a link to a document dated prior to 9/11/2001.
BigAl Philosopher Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 5,398	__________________ ------ Eric Pode of Croydon Chief Assistant to the Assistance Chief, Dept of Redundancy Dept.

12th February 2010, 08:16 AM	#9
switchpoint Thinker Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 142	Originally Posted by BigAl Thanks, the indictment has lots of pre-9/11 claims but the document itself is dates 2008 and hence, a fiction made up by the NWO. I would like to have a link to a document dated prior to 9/11/2001. Ok, that's all I got, sorry. I am little confused - are they saying he was indicted before 9/11 for 9/11? Or are they saying that he was indicted before 9/11 for other crimes?
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12th February 2010, 08:27 AM	#10
Dave Rogers Bandaged ice that stampedes inexpensively through a scribbled morning waving necessary ankles Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: In a world lit only by fire. Posts: 17,894	Originally Posted by switchpoint Ok, that's all I got, sorry. I am little confused - No, you're a little Poe'd. Look up Poe's Law, if you don't know it already. BigAl, shame on you for hazing the new guy. Dave
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12th February 2010, 12:46 PM	#11
switchpoint Thinker Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 142	Originally Posted by Dave Rogers No, you're a little Poe'd. Look up Poe's Law, if you don't know it already. BigAl, shame on you for hazing the new guy. Dave Ok, you got me. And no, I had not heard of Poe's Law, looked it up very interesting. As background I've been bouncing around truther forums for about 6 years, aggravating the true believers. I've been banned on all of them. I was comically threatened by JFK on loose ~~nuts~~ change. He looked at my IP address and threatened to send an email to what he thought was my employer and tell them what I was doing at work. It would have been pretty funny in that the IP address was in the name of a third party IT subcontractor who could care less what I did at my computer. When Killclown still had his forum I was banned after about 9 months because I wasn't "contributing" anything. For about a year after I was banned they would repost my remarks and claim I was too much of a coward to answer their challenges. I have been lurking on this forum for about 5 years, I do not have the techincal background for the more in depth aspects such as the FDR decoding and have no experience with planes except flying to Vegas for vacation. I do have a background in construction and demolition. I've had to occassionally hold my "tongue" on some of the truther forums when the stupid got real deep. I had one guy, trying to sound all technical and serious try to tell me that they get rebar in concrete slabs by pouring the bottom half, letting it set up, putting the rebar on top of the cured concrete and then placing the top half. He was quite serious. Actually, I think my response to him is what got me banned. My goal personnally is to make sure none of this idiocy goes unchallenged. I shiver thinking of the day, maybe five years from now, when some kid doing a high school paper, with no personal memory of that day, looks up 9/11 and sees some this crap and thinks it may be legit. Just one more point - this really started when about 6 years ago my teenage son sat down to dinner and we started to discuss science in general and he asked me if I thought we really went to the moon. Then I knew this conspiracy stuff was really starting to agitate its way into the popular culture. You see, when I was a kid my Dad worked in a factory where they made gauges. The company got a NASA contract to make gauges for the Apollo mission including the moon missions. Because he had security clearance from working at a McDonald Dougalss plant making fighters, he and three other guys worked on all the NASA stuff. So when we were watching the first moon landing we were thinking about how maybe something he had worked on may be on the lander. Maybe it was true, maybe not but I was very proud about that connection. What I don't want to have happen is for my son to be sitting down with one of his kids years from now and have them ask him if he thought terrorist really caused 9/11.
switchpoint Thinker Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 142

15th February 2010, 01:30 AM	#12
Dave Rogers Bandaged ice that stampedes inexpensively through a scribbled morning waving necessary ankles Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: In a world lit only by fire. Posts: 17,894	Originally Posted by switchpoint Just one more point - this really started when about 6 years ago my teenage son sat down to dinner and we started to discuss science in general and he asked me if I thought we really went to the moon. Then I knew this conspiracy stuff was really starting to agitate its way into the popular culture. You see, when I was a kid my Dad worked in a factory where they made gauges. The company got a NASA contract to make gauges for the Apollo mission including the moon missions. Because he had security clearance from working at a McDonald Dougalss plant making fighters, he and three other guys worked on all the NASA stuff. So when we were watching the first moon landing we were thinking about how maybe something he had worked on may be on the lander. Maybe it was true, maybe not but I was very proud about that connection. I envy your Dad. I'd love to have built something that made it off this rock and on to another one. 'Welcome to the forum' isn't, perhaps, the right message if you've been here five years, but it's good to hear from you. Dave
	__________________ "We will punish the murderer together. Our punishment will be more generosity, more tolerance and more democracy." - Fabian Stang, Mayor of Oslo SSKCAS, covert member