"Amega Wand" Chrystal/Mineral healing scam - Page 30

Live&Learn · 10th June 2010, 06:49 PM

Originally Posted by Sledge

I do find it amusing that Len's first post here was essentially "Yes, I have arrived! I will debunk this wand!"* in a thread consisting mostly of people asking the OP to stop reviving the damn thing as we'd thorougly debunked the wand. That he went on to ask for test protocols in a thread that already contiained several just added to the impression we were all getting of him. I think Lenny needs a PR man.

*I like to picture this being said by a man throwing a cloak over his shoulder as he shoves open two enormous wooden doors in a castle. Possibly as lightening strikes outside and thunder crashes.

Ever since you posted this comment, I can't get Marty Feldman out of my mind.

Do you remember Young Frankenstein?

Olowkow · 10th June 2010, 06:51 PM

Originally Posted by Mike!

I think "Swingtitery" sounds, um, a bit nicer maybe? ...

I agree. So be it. Thanks, I was not fond of the other word.

Quote:

To be a Noun, it would also have to be a proper name or nickname, wouldn't it? I don't know, I got through English class with a passing '...

Nope, you can trust me on this one. "Person, place, or thing", as they used to say. Noun.

Quote:

"Swingdicks" = noun, person, place or thing.
"Swingdickery", the act of being a "swingdick" would be an adjective, right?

Wrong. Both nouns.
This is an argument from authority!!! Respect your "elders"

(that's a tree too).

Swingdick: Noun, man who swaggers verbally

Swingtit: Noun, woman who swaggers verbally

Swingdickery: Noun, act of behaving like a swingdick
He is using (or engaging in) swingdickery, not logic.
That's pure swingdickery!

Swingtittery: Noun, act of behaving like a swingtit

Swingtittedly: Adverb
She was behaving swingtittedly.

Swingdickedly: Adverb
He was behaving swingdickedly.

Adjectives??? I have to give it some thought before coining them.

Mike! · 10th June 2010, 07:03 PM

Originally Posted by Olowkow

I agree. So be it. Thanks, I was not fond of the other word.
Nope, you can trust me on this one. "Person, place, or thing", as they used to say. Noun.

Wrong. Both nouns.
This is an argument from authority!!! Respect your "elders"

(that's a tree too).

Swingdick: Noun, man who swaggers verbally
Swingtit: Noun, woman who swaggers verbally
Swingdickery: Noun, act of behaving like a swingdick
He is using swingdickery, not logic.
Swingtitery: Noun, act of behaving like a swingtit

Swingtittedly: Adverb
She was behaving swingtittedly.

Swingdickedly: Adverb
He was behaving swingdickedly.

Adjectives??? I have to give it some thought before coining them.

Don't know if you're older than me or not, but I'll respect the authority gladly, because I honestly don't know better.

Learning IS fun!

HitchensIsGod · 10th June 2010, 08:42 PM

Originally Posted by live&learn

ever since you posted this comment, i can't get marty feldman out of my mind.

Do you remember young frankenstein?

"put... Zeee kindle... Beck!!!"

Foolmewunz · 10th June 2010, 09:10 PM

Originally Posted by Live&Learn

Ever since you posted this comment, I can't get Marty Feldman out of my mind.

Do you remember Young Frankenstein?

Ja, but the image of which you speak would be more appropriate to Kenneth Mars' role or even Gene Wilder's. Somehow difficult to imagine Eye-Gore flinging his cape over his shoulder, nor delivering the heroic line.

(To me, the funniest moment of that film was when the credits came on and I realized, after the "Come, Igor! - That's Eyegore!" scene that it wasn't merely the character's pronunciation but that he was EYE-gore.)

Sledge · 11th June 2010, 02:03 AM

It's FrankenSTEEN!

Captain_Swoop · 11th June 2010, 09:38 AM

fronkenshteen

Mike! · 11th June 2010, 05:01 PM

Do you also say "Froaderick"?

Live&Learn · 11th June 2010, 05:28 PM

Originally Posted by Live&Learn

One more day. 32,119 views. Activity is increasing. Good.

Google is our friend.

No surprise. This thread is now number one for Amega magic stick.

Olowkow · 11th June 2010, 05:37 PM

Not only that but it links to this Stray Cat's post!
http://forums.randi.org/showthread.p...94#post6008194

Kitty pride!

Foolmewunz · 11th June 2010, 06:58 PM

https://www.eamega.com/energized/Sho...ANAME=richbiz1

Everyone ought to listen to this schpiel at least once a day to remind us of what this is all about. Amega isn't just the wand. It's massive pseudo science b.s.

It's 3:16 of pain, but worth it (I found a good strong cup of coffee with a shot of Remy Martin took away my headache, if not the anger).

marplots · 11th June 2010, 07:37 PM

OK, I got to maybe page 10, then a bit around page 15... anyhow, did anyone ever accept the debate challenge?

I'm interested because I do a bit of freelance writing and made some money doing MLM crapoid stuff -- yeah, I'm not proud of it. I'd be genuinely interested in hearing a debate/rant fest/duel between someone who has some cred in the MLM community and someone else knowledgeable about MLM scamming.

My best guess would be that all the really good examples of failure and tragedy would be hand-waved away, but I'd still like to hear it. Especially if you have a recognizable name. I like seeing big noises squirm. Truly they aren't used to direct confrontation in a fair format. They get lazy from preaching to the choir.

Just wondering, anyone take him up on it?

Mike! · 11th June 2010, 08:00 PM

Originally Posted by marplots

OK, I got to maybe page 10, then a bit around page 15... anyhow, did anyone ever accept the debate challenge?

I'm interested because I do a bit of freelance writing and made some money doing MLM crapoid stuff -- yeah, I'm not proud of it. I'd be genuinely interested in hearing a debate/rant fest/duel between someone who has some cred in the MLM community and someone else knowledgeable about MLM scamming.

My best guess would be that all the really good examples of failure and tragedy would be hand-waved away, but I'd still like to hear it. Especially if you have a recognizable name. I like seeing big noises squirm. Truly they aren't used to direct confrontation in a fair format. They get lazy from preaching to the choir.

Just wondering, anyone take him up on it?

More on topic area for your request/question...

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=177273

Unless you'd care to see a magic wand 'duel'

or something interesting along those lines...

You really should takethe time to read through the whole thread, there's comedy gold in them thar' hills. Gold I tells ya!

Live&Learn · 12th June 2010, 08:45 AM

Originally Posted by Foolmewunz

They'll read and when Lennie's little probing mission fades to a twelve page ago memory, the lazy ones will jump in with yet another AWSHUCKS testimonial. (I"ve thought this thread was dead at least five times. Now I just munch my popcorn and wait.)

You shouldn't have to wait too long. This thread is ranked number 8 on Google for Amega wand. Google works in mysterious ways, but it's possible that we can get this thread bumped even higher.

Live&Learn · 12th June 2010, 08:47 AM

Originally Posted by Sledge

The Amega Wand seems to have an incredible power to draw drive-by woos to a thread.

I believe you're seeing the Amega Wand PLUS Google in action.

Akhenaten · 12th June 2010, 09:05 AM

Originally Posted by marplots

OK, I got to maybe page 10, then a bit around page 15... anyhow, did anyone ever accept the debate challenge?

Nah, we already have a nice, fully-equipped sandbox right here to play in. If Len want's to take his bucket and spade and go play somewhere else, that's his prerogative, but it's unlikely he's convinced anyone that being his new playmate would be any fun at all.

Originally Posted by marplots

I'm interested because I do a bit of freelance writing and made some money doing MLM crapoid stuff -- yeah, I'm not proud of it. I'd be genuinely interested in hearing a debate/rant fest/duel between someone who has some cred in the MLM community and someone else knowledgeable about MLM scamming.

my bolding

That might not be a totally accurate description of Mr Clements.

Originally Posted by marplots

My best guess would be that all the really good examples of failure and tragedy would be hand-waved away, but I'd still like to hear it. Especially if you have a recognizable name. I like seeing big noises squirm. Truly they aren't used to direct confrontation in a fair format. They get lazy from preaching to the choir.

I have a feeling that 'a fair format' wasn't part of the plan. In any case, I think the consensus is that we're happier with the posit-research-rebut format that's available to us here.

Might I direct you to Quatloos? Some of the folks here are from there, but that site as a whole sounds more in line with what you're after.

Originally Posted by marplots

Just wondering, anyone take him up on it?

Foolmewunz had the last word on the subject before Len quit the field. I don't think it's going to happen.

Sledge · 12th June 2010, 09:13 AM

Originally Posted by marplots

OK, I got to maybe page 10, then a bit around page 15... anyhow, did anyone ever accept the debate challenge?

No. If you read a bit more, you'll find that Len wanted a debate against someone who didn't know anything about MLM, and who wouldn't have time to do any research. He didn't so much want a debate as a breathing strawman he could knock down.

Mike! · 12th June 2010, 09:21 AM

Originally Posted by Sledge

No. If you read a bit more, you'll find that Len wanted a debate against someone who didn't know anything about MLM, and who wouldn't have time to do any research. He didn't so much want a debate as a breathing strawman he could knock down.

And kick and jump on and then kick again a couple more times....

Live&Learn · 12th June 2010, 09:21 AM

Originally Posted by Sledge

No. If you read a bit more, you'll find that Len wanted a debate against someone who didn't know anything about MLM, and who wouldn't have time to do any research. He didn't so much want a debate as a breathing strawman he could knock down.

Shh. Please talk softly. You might draw him back.

Olowkow · 12th June 2010, 09:30 AM

Plus additional debating protocols and tools:

Quote:

And freedom of speech doesn't mean.... yet another personal jab at me.

I've tried to be tolerant, but you are so obviously just trying to get me to delete your posts and ban you. It would be a great badge of honor to show off over at your new mud hole. Well, you're going to get half your wish.

Len

Unfair ellipsis, mine.

Live&Learn · 12th June 2010, 09:34 AM

Originally Posted by Akhenaten

Absolutely. I got straight on the phone after Len's first post and cancelled my order for ten of them.

Then why have I seen you trying to sell sticks, to unsuspecting posters, in other threads?

Akhenaten · 12th June 2010, 09:35 AM

Originally Posted by Olowkow

Plus additional debating protocols and tools:

He doesn't play well with the other kiddies, does he?

Emet · 12th June 2010, 09:39 AM

Originally Posted by Live&Learn

Shh. Please talk softly. You might draw him back.

Highly unlikely. He's too busy bloviating, pruning posts, and generally ranting over at his kingdom.

Live&Learn · 12th June 2010, 09:42 AM

Originally Posted by Akhenaten

He doesn't play well with the other kiddies, does he?

Not so much.

Plus, he never answered my question about whether he had actually bought an Amega Wand. I wonder why? Do you think he was looking for financial support from this board for his project? Does JREF invest into debunking specific products?

Akhenaten · 12th June 2010, 09:43 AM

Originally Posted by Live&Learn

Then why have I seen you trying to sell sticks, to unsuspecting posters, in other threads?

My sticks are different though. Mine work on No Point Energy™, and each one comes with a hand-written (in crayon) guarantee to be completely pointless.

Mike! · 12th June 2010, 09:46 AM

Originally Posted by Akhenaten

My sticks are different though. Mine work on No Point Energy™, and each one comes with a hand-written (in crayon) guarantee to be completely pointless.

Laugh Out Loud!!! Too funny for just letters.

Olowkow · 12th June 2010, 09:52 AM

Originally Posted by Mike!

Laugh Out Loud!!! Too funny for just letters.

Right! It needs glyphs. No Point Energy™

Crystals mined on the "No Point Atoll" near Hong Kong.

Live&Learn · 12th June 2010, 09:54 AM

Originally Posted by Doc Bunkum

You have to understand, Sledge, that determining the identity of a poster is a very big deal with Lenny.

Anyone that posts under a screen name that's not their real name is a "cowardly internet troll" in Lenny's book, and is fair game for outing.

That's one of the reasons he weaseled his way into an Administrative position at scam.com - so he would have access to everyone's IP address.

True, that doesn't identify a poster, but in Lenny's world, it narrows the search down.

<snip>

He was at it again yesterday. After watching Lenny in action for several months, my best guess is that he wants to stomp out any poster who disagrees with him. He's extremely touchy about Yoli but you never know what other tangents he will take.

Live&Learn · 12th June 2010, 09:58 AM

Originally Posted by Akhenaten

My sticks are different though. Mine work on No Point Energy™, and each one comes with a hand-written (in crayon) guarantee to be completely pointless.

I'm sorry. So far I don't see any significant difference between your sticks and the Amega Magic Sticks.

How much do you charge for your sticks?

Is Shipping and Handling included?

Toke · 12th June 2010, 10:02 AM

Originally Posted by Live&Learn

You shouldn't have to wait too long. This thread is ranked number 8 on Google for Amega wand. Google works in mysterious ways, but it's possible that we can get this thread bumped even higher.

If any MLM salesman bother to read the tread or part of it first they will go elsewhere to peddle The Stick^TM.

Stray Cat · 12th June 2010, 10:03 AM

Originally Posted by Live&Learn

I'm sorry. So far I don't see any significant difference between your sticks and the Amega Magic Sticks.

How much do you charge for your sticks?

Is Shipping and Handling included?

I can vouch for Akhenaten's 'Money Back Guarantee'
The way it works is ~~when~~ if your No Point Stick™ doesn't arrive, all you have to do is send it back for a full refund.

Live&Learn · 12th June 2010, 10:06 AM

Originally Posted by Stray Cat

Len:

If you're sincerely trying to expose the Wand as the non working piece of junk it really is Len. I'm not sure with your errrr... questionable background (even within the MLM world), you are the best person to conduct such tests.

Perhaps if you could supply some online places where you are hailed as a bastion of society (apart from your own website), maybe some links to the great work you have done on behalf of the JREF of which you have been card carrying member for so long, or some of the investigations you have done in conjunction with CSICOP, that would help us to balance the fairly poor opinion people seem to have of you. I'm not sure the links from your website to the cases you have exposed or criticised are much help as in such a competitve backstabbing industry that is so full of scammers, everyone seems to criticise and expose everyone else whilst painting themselves whiter than white.

In Vegas there is a guy called Penn Jillette, nip round to the Rio Casino one evening, give him the wand to test and see what he thinks of it.

What a great idea of having Penn review the Amega Magic Stick™! This "product", I use the term loosely, actually does look like an incomplete pen.

Sledge · 12th June 2010, 10:06 AM

I don't know about shipping, but Akhenaten is always willing to handle people for a small fee.

Toke · 12th June 2010, 10:06 AM

Originally Posted by Live&Learn

I'm sorry. So far I don't see any significant difference between your sticks and the Amega Magic Sticks.

How much do you charge for your sticks?

Is Shipping and Handling included?

I have not noticed Akhenaten's stick business, but I am certain that his claims of their effectiveness are true.

Live&Learn · 12th June 2010, 10:08 AM

Originally Posted by Toke

If any MLM salesman bother to read the tread or part of it first they will go elsewhere to peddle The Stick^TM.

I think you might be surprised. We could get more "testimonials".

Stray Cat · 12th June 2010, 10:09 AM

Originally Posted by Toke

If any MLM salesman bother to read the tread or part of it first they will go elsewhere to peddle The Stick^TM.

You think they can read?

Toke · 12th June 2010, 10:15 AM

Originally Posted by Stray Cat

You think they can read?

Guess I am an incurable optimist, some of the the testimonials does suggest otherwise.

Live&Learn · 12th June 2010, 10:15 AM

Originally Posted by Mike!

Laugh Out Loud!!! Too funny for just letters.

True genius at work!!!

I don't remember ever finding another board where I have laughed so hard. Who knows? Laughter might be an unknown side effect of the Amega Wand.

Mike! · 12th June 2010, 10:17 AM

Originally Posted by Live&Learn

True genius at work!!!

I don't remember ever finding another board where I have laughed so hard. Who knows? Laughter might be an unknown side effect of the Amega Wand.

Yep, it's magic powers are turning us all into giggling idiots. It must be stopped!

Live&Learn · 12th June 2010, 10:23 AM

Originally Posted by Toke

I have not noticed Akhenaten's stick business, but I am certain that his claims of their effectiveness are true.

I will put the magic powers of Lenny's Amega Wand, if he owns one, up against Akhenaten's stick anyday.

It will be a Stick Throwdown! Loser leaves town.

10th June 2010, 06:51 PM	#1162
Olowkow Illuminator Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 4,795	Originally Posted by Mike! I think "Swingtitery" sounds, um, a bit nicer maybe? ... I agree. So be it. Thanks, I was not fond of the other word. Quote: To be a Noun, it would also have to be a proper name or nickname, wouldn't it? I don't know, I got through English class with a passing '... Nope, you can trust me on this one. "Person, place, or thing", as they used to say. Noun. Quote: "Swingdicks" = noun, person, place or thing. "Swingdickery", the act of being a "swingdick" would be an adjective, right? Wrong. Both nouns. This is an argument from authority!!! Respect your "elders" (that's a tree too). Swingdick: Noun, man who swaggers verbally Swingtit: Noun, woman who swaggers verbally Swingdickery: Noun, act of behaving like a swingdick He is using (or engaging in) swingdickery, not logic. That's pure swingdickery! Swingtittery: Noun, act of behaving like a swingtit Swingtittedly: Adverb She was behaving swingtittedly. Swingdickedly: Adverb He was behaving swingdickedly. Adjectives??? I have to give it some thought before coining them.
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10th June 2010, 07:03 PM	#1163
Mike! Official Ponylandistanian National Treasure. Respect it! Join Date: May 2010 Location: Ponylandistan! Where the bacon grows on trees! Can it get any better than that? I submit it can not! Posts: 10,213	Originally Posted by Olowkow I agree. So be it. Thanks, I was not fond of the other word. Nope, you can trust me on this one. "Person, place, or thing", as they used to say. Noun. Wrong. Both nouns. This is an argument from authority!!! Respect your "elders" (that's a tree too). Swingdick: Noun, man who swaggers verbally Swingtit: Noun, woman who swaggers verbally Swingdickery: Noun, act of behaving like a swingdick He is using swingdickery, not logic. Swingtitery: Noun, act of behaving like a swingtit Swingtittedly: Adverb She was behaving swingtittedly. Swingdickedly: Adverb He was behaving swingdickedly. Adjectives??? I have to give it some thought before coining them. Don't know if you're older than me or not, but I'll respect the authority gladly, because I honestly don't know better. Learning IS fun!
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10th June 2010, 08:42 PM	#1164
HitchensIsGod Student Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 39	Originally Posted by live&learn ever since you posted this comment, i can't get marty feldman out of my mind. Do you remember *young frankenstein*? "put... Zeee kindle... Beck!!!"
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10th June 2010, 09:10 PM	#1165
Foolmewunz Grammar Resistance Leader Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Pattaya, Thailand Posts: 20,512	Originally Posted by Live&Learn Ever since you posted this comment, I can't get Marty Feldman out of my mind. Do you remember *Young Frankenstein*? Ja, but the image of which you speak would be more appropriate to Kenneth Mars' role or even Gene Wilder's. Somehow difficult to imagine Eye-Gore flinging his cape over his shoulder, nor delivering the heroic line. (To me, the funniest moment of that film was when the credits came on and I realized, after the "Come, Igor! - That's Eyegore!" scene that it wasn't merely the character's pronunciation but that he was EYE-gore.)
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11th June 2010, 02:03 AM	#1166
Sledge Grammaton Cleric Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Swingin' on a star Posts: 7,123	It's FrankenSTEEN!
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10th June 2010, 06:49 PM	#1161
Live&Learn Critical Thinker Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 470	Originally Posted by Sledge I do find it amusing that Len's first post here was essentially "Yes, I have arrived! I will debunk this wand!"* in a thread consisting mostly of people asking the OP to stop reviving the damn thing as we'd thorougly debunked the wand. That he went on to ask for test protocols in a thread that already contiained several just added to the impression we were all getting of him. I think Lenny needs a PR man. I like to picture this being said by a man throwing a cloak over his shoulder as he shoves open two enormous wooden doors in a castle. Possibly as lightening strikes outside and thunder crashes. Ever since you posted this comment, I can't get Marty Feldman out of my mind. Do you remember Young Frankenstein*?

11th June 2010, 09:38 AM	#1167
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11th June 2010, 05:01 PM	#1168
Mike! Official Ponylandistanian National Treasure. Respect it! Join Date: May 2010 Location: Ponylandistan! Where the bacon grows on trees! Can it get any better than that? I submit it can not! Posts: 10,213	Do you also say "Froaderick"?
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11th June 2010, 05:28 PM	#1169
Live&Learn Critical Thinker Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 470	Originally Posted by Live&Learn One more day. 32,119 views. Activity is increasing. Good. Google is our friend. No surprise. This thread is now number one for Amega magic stick.

11th June 2010, 05:37 PM	#1170
Olowkow Illuminator Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 4,795	Not only that but it links to this Stray Cat's post! http://forums.randi.org/showthread.p...94#post6008194 Kitty pride!
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11th June 2010, 06:58 PM	#1171
Foolmewunz Grammar Resistance Leader Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Pattaya, Thailand Posts: 20,512	While we're waiting for the next testimonial.... https://www.eamega.com/energized/Sho...ANAME=richbiz1 Everyone ought to listen to this schpiel at least once a day to remind us of what this is all about. Amega isn't just the wand. It's massive pseudo science b.s. It's 3:16 of pain, but worth it (I found a good strong cup of coffee with a shot of Remy Martin took away my headache, if not the anger).
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11th June 2010, 07:37 PM	#1172
marplots Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 5,369	I admit I skipped some OK, I got to maybe page 10, then a bit around page 15... anyhow, did anyone ever accept the debate challenge? I'm interested because I do a bit of freelance writing and made some money doing MLM crapoid stuff -- yeah, I'm not proud of it. I'd be genuinely interested in hearing a debate/rant fest/duel between someone who has some cred in the MLM community and someone else knowledgeable about MLM scamming. My best guess would be that all the really good examples of failure and tragedy would be hand-waved away, but I'd still like to hear it. Especially if you have a recognizable name. I like seeing big noises squirm. Truly they aren't used to direct confrontation in a fair format. They get lazy from preaching to the choir. Just wondering, anyone take him up on it?
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11th June 2010, 08:00 PM	#1173
Mike! Official Ponylandistanian National Treasure. Respect it! Join Date: May 2010 Location: Ponylandistan! Where the bacon grows on trees! Can it get any better than that? I submit it can not! Posts: 10,213	Originally Posted by marplots OK, I got to maybe page 10, then a bit around page 15... anyhow, did anyone ever accept the debate challenge? I'm interested because I do a bit of freelance writing and made some money doing MLM crapoid stuff -- yeah, I'm not proud of it. I'd be genuinely interested in hearing a debate/rant fest/duel between someone who has some cred in the MLM community and someone else knowledgeable about MLM scamming. My best guess would be that all the really good examples of failure and tragedy would be hand-waved away, but I'd still like to hear it. Especially if you have a recognizable name. I like seeing big noises squirm. Truly they aren't used to direct confrontation in a fair format. They get lazy from preaching to the choir. Just wondering, anyone take him up on it? More on topic area for your request/question... http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=177273 Unless you'd care to see a magic wand 'duel' or something interesting along those lines... You really should takethe time to read through the whole thread, there's comedy gold in them thar' hills. Gold I tells ya!
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12th June 2010, 08:45 AM	#1174
Live&Learn Critical Thinker Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 470	Originally Posted by Foolmewunz They'll read and when Lennie's little probing mission fades to a twelve page ago memory, the lazy ones will jump in with yet another AWSHUCKS testimonial. (I"ve thought this thread was dead at least five times. Now I just munch my popcorn and wait.) You shouldn't have to wait too long. This thread is ranked number 8 on Google for Amega wand. Google works in mysterious ways, but it's possible that we can get this thread bumped even higher.

12th June 2010, 08:47 AM	#1175
Live&Learn Critical Thinker Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 470	Originally Posted by Sledge The Amega Wand seems to have an incredible power to draw drive-by woos to a thread. I believe you're seeing the Amega Wand PLUS Google in action.

12th June 2010, 09:05 AM	#1176
Akhenaten Heretic Pharaoh Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Pi-Broadford, Australia Posts: 24,641	Originally Posted by marplots OK, I got to maybe page 10, then a bit around page 15... anyhow, did anyone ever accept the debate challenge? Nah, we already have a nice, fully-equipped sandbox right here to play in. If Len want's to take his bucket and spade and go play somewhere else, that's his prerogative, but it's unlikely he's convinced anyone that being his new playmate would be any fun at all. Originally Posted by marplots I'm interested because I do a bit of freelance writing and made some money doing MLM crapoid stuff -- yeah, I'm not proud of it. I'd be genuinely interested in hearing a debate/rant fest/duel between someone who has some cred in the MLM community and someone else knowledgeable about MLM scamming. my bolding That might not be a totally accurate description of Mr Clements. Originally Posted by marplots My best guess would be that all the really good examples of failure and tragedy would be hand-waved away, but I'd still like to hear it. Especially if you have a recognizable name. I like seeing big noises squirm. Truly they aren't used to direct confrontation in a fair format. They get lazy from preaching to the choir. I have a feeling that 'a fair format' wasn't part of the plan. In any case, I think the consensus is that we're happier with the posit-research-rebut format that's available to us here. Might I direct you to Quatloos? Some of the folks here are from there, but that site as a whole sounds more in line with what you're after. Originally Posted by marplots Just wondering, anyone take him up on it? Foolmewunz had the last word on the subject before Len quit the field. I don't think it's going to happen.
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12th June 2010, 09:13 AM	#1177
Sledge Grammaton Cleric Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Swingin' on a star Posts: 7,123	Originally Posted by marplots OK, I got to maybe page 10, then a bit around page 15... anyhow, did anyone ever accept the debate challenge? No. If you read a bit more, you'll find that Len wanted a debate against someone who didn't know anything about MLM, and who wouldn't have time to do any research. He didn't so much want a debate as a breathing strawman he could knock down.
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12th June 2010, 09:21 AM	#1178
Mike! Official Ponylandistanian National Treasure. Respect it! Join Date: May 2010 Location: Ponylandistan! Where the bacon grows on trees! Can it get any better than that? I submit it can not! Posts: 10,213	Originally Posted by Sledge No. If you read a bit more, you'll find that Len wanted a debate against someone who didn't know anything about MLM, and who wouldn't have time to do any research. He didn't so much want a debate as a breathing strawman he could knock down. And kick and jump on and then kick again a couple more times....
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12th June 2010, 09:21 AM	#1179
Live&Learn Critical Thinker Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 470	Originally Posted by Sledge No. If you read a bit more, you'll find that Len wanted a debate against someone who didn't know anything about MLM, and who wouldn't have time to do any research. He didn't so much want a debate as a breathing strawman he could knock down. Shh. Please talk softly. You might draw him back.

12th June 2010, 09:30 AM	#1180
Olowkow Illuminator Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 4,795	Plus additional debating protocols and tools: Quote: And freedom of speech doesn't mean.... yet another personal jab at me. I've tried to be tolerant, but you are so obviously just trying to get me to delete your posts and ban you. It would be a great badge of honor to show off over at your new mud hole. Well, you're going to get half your wish. Len Unfair ellipsis, mine.
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12th June 2010, 09:34 AM	#1181
Live&Learn Critical Thinker Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 470	Originally Posted by Akhenaten Absolutely. I got straight on the phone after Len's first post and cancelled my order for ten of them. Then why have I seen you trying to sell sticks, to unsuspecting posters, in other threads?

12th June 2010, 09:35 AM	#1182
Akhenaten Heretic Pharaoh Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Pi-Broadford, Australia Posts: 24,641	Originally Posted by Olowkow Plus additional debating protocols and tools: He doesn't play well with the other kiddies, does he?
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12th June 2010, 09:39 AM	#1183
Emet Illuminator Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 3,395	Originally Posted by Live&Learn Shh. Please talk softly. You might draw him back. Highly unlikely. He's too busy bloviating, pruning posts, and generally ranting over at his kingdom.
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12th June 2010, 09:42 AM	#1184
Live&Learn Critical Thinker Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 470	Originally Posted by Akhenaten He doesn't play well with the other kiddies, does he? Not so much. Plus, he never answered my question about whether he had actually bought an Amega Wand. I wonder why? Do you think he was looking for financial support from this board for his project? Does JREF invest into debunking specific products?

12th June 2010, 09:43 AM	#1185
Akhenaten Heretic Pharaoh Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Pi-Broadford, Australia Posts: 24,641	Originally Posted by Live&Learn Then why have I seen you trying to sell sticks, to unsuspecting posters, in other threads? My sticks are different though. Mine work on No Point Energy™, and each one comes with a hand-written (in crayon) guarantee to be completely pointless.
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12th June 2010, 09:46 AM	#1186
Mike! Official Ponylandistanian National Treasure. Respect it! Join Date: May 2010 Location: Ponylandistan! Where the bacon grows on trees! Can it get any better than that? I submit it can not! Posts: 10,213	Originally Posted by Akhenaten My sticks are different though. Mine work on No Point Energy™, and each one comes with a hand-written (in crayon) guarantee to be completely pointless. Laugh Out Loud!!! Too funny for just letters.
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12th June 2010, 09:52 AM	#1187
Olowkow Illuminator Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 4,795	Originally Posted by Mike! Laugh Out Loud!!! Too funny for just letters. Right! It needs glyphs. No Point Energy™ Crystals mined on the "No Point Atoll" near Hong Kong.
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12th June 2010, 09:54 AM	#1188
Live&Learn Critical Thinker Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 470	Originally Posted by Doc Bunkum You have to understand, Sledge, that determining the identity of a poster is a very big deal with Lenny. Anyone that posts under a screen name that's not their real name is a "cowardly internet troll" in Lenny's book, and is fair game for outing. That's one of the reasons he weaseled his way into an Administrative position at scam.com - so he would have access to everyone's IP address. True, that doesn't identify a poster, but in Lenny's world, it narrows the search down. <snip> He was at it again yesterday. After watching Lenny in action for several months, my best guess is that he wants to stomp out any poster who disagrees with him. He's extremely touchy about Yoli but you never know what other tangents he will take.

12th June 2010, 09:58 AM	#1189
Live&Learn Critical Thinker Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 470	Originally Posted by Akhenaten My sticks are different though. Mine work on No Point Energy™, and each one comes with a hand-written (in crayon) guarantee to be completely pointless. I'm sorry. So far I don't see any significant difference between your sticks and the Amega Magic Sticks. How much do you charge for your sticks? Is Shipping and Handling included?

12th June 2010, 10:02 AM	#1190
Toke Godless Socialist Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Denmark Posts: 7,600	Originally Posted by Live&Learn You shouldn't have to wait too long. This thread is ranked number 8 on Google for Amega wand. Google works in mysterious ways, but it's possible that we can get this thread bumped even higher. If any MLM salesman bother to read the tread or part of it first they will go elsewhere to peddle The Stick^TM.
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12th June 2010, 10:03 AM	#1191
Stray Cat Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: The Land That Time Forgot Posts: 6,508	Originally Posted by Live&Learn I'm sorry. So far I don't see any significant difference between your sticks and the Amega Magic Sticks. How much do you charge for your sticks? Is Shipping and Handling included? I can vouch for Akhenaten's 'Money Back Guarantee' The way it works is ~~when~~ if your No Point Stick™ doesn't arrive, all you have to do is send it back for a full refund.
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12th June 2010, 10:06 AM	#1192
Live&Learn Critical Thinker Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 470	Originally Posted by Stray Cat Len: If you're sincerely trying to expose the Wand as the non working piece of junk it really is Len. I'm not sure with your errrr... questionable background (even within the MLM world), you are the best person to conduct such tests. Perhaps if you could supply some online places where you are hailed as a bastion of society (apart from your own website), maybe some links to the great work you have done on behalf of the JREF of which you have been card carrying member for so long, or some of the investigations you have done in conjunction with CSICOP, that would help us to balance the fairly poor opinion people seem to have of you. I'm not sure the links from your website to the cases you have exposed or criticised are much help as in such a competitve backstabbing industry that is so full of scammers, everyone seems to criticise and expose everyone else whilst painting themselves whiter than white. In Vegas there is a guy called Penn Jillette, nip round to the Rio Casino one evening, give him the wand to test and see what he thinks of it. What a great idea of having Penn review the Amega Magic Stick™! This "product", I use the term loosely, actually does look like an incomplete pen.

12th June 2010, 10:06 AM	#1193
Sledge Grammaton Cleric Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Swingin' on a star Posts: 7,123	I don't know about shipping, but Akhenaten is always willing to handle people for a small fee.
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12th June 2010, 10:06 AM	#1194
Toke Godless Socialist Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Denmark Posts: 7,600	Originally Posted by Live&Learn I'm sorry. So far I don't see any significant difference between your sticks and the Amega Magic Sticks. How much do you charge for your sticks? Is Shipping and Handling included? I have not noticed Akhenaten's stick business, but I am certain that his claims of their effectiveness are true.
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12th June 2010, 10:08 AM	#1195
Live&Learn Critical Thinker Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 470	Originally Posted by Toke If any MLM salesman bother to read the tread or part of it first they will go elsewhere to peddle The Stick^TM. I think you might be surprised. We could get more "testimonials".