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Thunder · 22nd February 2010, 05:00 PM

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20100223/..._congress_jobs

I hope he continues on this path of independence. His courage is appreciated and noticed.

willhaven · 22nd February 2010, 05:05 PM

And he supports abortion rights, and he supported Romney's health reform for Massachusetts.

I bet the hardcore right is going nuts.

What's sad about the whole thing is that a republican simply backing a democratic idea makes the news.

Thunder · 22nd February 2010, 05:11 PM

Originally Posted by willhaven

What's sad about the whole thing is that a republican simply backing a democratic idea makes the news.

its the world we live in now.

Brainster · 23rd February 2010, 12:16 AM

The GOP knew going in that Brown was going to be a moderate. A conservative could not have gotten elected in Massachusetts. I'm just happy he'll be a guaranteed vote against cloture on the health care bill.

Beerina · 23rd February 2010, 08:30 AM

Why not tax cuts across the board instead of just for firms that hire unemployed?

Thunder · 23rd February 2010, 08:32 AM

Originally Posted by Beerina

Why not tax cuts across the board instead of just for firms that hire unemployed?

what...the massive 2001 and 2003 tax cuts weren't enough for you?

ravdin · 23rd February 2010, 08:43 AM

When the Senate seat was no longer was the property of the Kennedy family, a lot of people complained that Brown was a crazed far right winger and possibly the Antichrist himself. I wonder if Keith Olbermann and his ilk will retract their more hyperbolic comments.

MattusMaximus · 23rd February 2010, 08:55 AM

Originally Posted by ravdin

When the Senate seat was no longer was the property of the Kennedy family, a lot of people complained that Brown was a crazed far right winger and possibly the Antichrist himself. I wonder if Keith Olbermann and his ilk will retract their more hyperbolic comments.

I'm thinking... no

Btw, good on Brown. Now there's some bipartisanship for you. But, like someone else said, I bet the rightwing TP-types are going bazoo over this right about now.

MattusMaximus · 23rd February 2010, 10:12 PM

Originally Posted by MattusMaximus

I'm thinking... no

Btw, good on Brown. Now there's some bipartisanship for you. But, like someone else said, I bet the rightwing TP-types are going bazoo over this right about now.

Wow, it's like I'm psychic or something. The rightwing TP-types are going bazoo over Brown's vote for the jobs bill...

GOP's Brown branded turncoat for jobs bill vote

Quote:

A month after being crowned the darling of national conservatives, Republican Sen. Scott Brown of Massachusetts is being branded "Benedict Brown" for siding with Democrats in favor of a jobs bill endorsed by the Obama administration.

Like the four other GOP senators who joined him, the man who won the late Democrat Edward Kennedy's seat says it's about jobs, not party politics. And that may be good politics, too.

The four other GOP senators who broke ranks — Olympia Snowe and Susan Collins of Maine, George Voinovich of Ohio and Christopher "Kit" Bond of Missouri — also were criticized on Tuesday. But Brown was the big target on conservative Web sites, talk shows and even the Facebook page his campaign has promoted as an example of his new-media savvy.

"We campaigned for you. We donated to your campaign. And you turned on us like every other RINO," said one writer, using the initials for "Republican-In-Name-Only."

Foolmewunz · 23rd February 2010, 10:37 PM

Originally Posted by ravdin

When the Senate seat was no longer was the property of the Kennedy family, a lot of people complained that Brown was a crazed far right winger and possibly the Antichrist himself. I wonder if Keith Olbermann and his ilk will retract their more hyperbolic comments.

Now, now, Ravdin. How about slanting this the other way....

I wonder if Palin and her ilk will stop claiming this as a TeaBagging now that he's shown that he's a lot closer to Kennedy than he is to Huckleberry?

thaiboxerken · 23rd February 2010, 10:39 PM

Originally Posted by ravdin

When the Senate seat was no longer was the property of the Kennedy family, a lot of people complained that Brown was a crazed far right winger and possibly the Antichrist himself. I wonder if Keith Olbermann and his ilk will retract their more hyperbolic comments.

What hyperbolic comments?

willhaven · 24th February 2010, 08:12 AM

It just passed the senate BTW.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010...assage-likely/

Donal · 24th February 2010, 08:33 AM

Originally Posted by MattusMaximus

I'm thinking... no

Btw, good on Brown. Now there's some bipartisanship for you. But, like someone else said, I bet the rightwing TP-types are going bazoo over this right about now.

Depends on the Tea Baggers you are talking about. The small community groups that really weren't that tightly knit together and only really seemed to be about economic policies that they saw as favorable to the middle class that have been around for a while in a lot of places? Or the group of GOP far right wingers like Glenn Beck that high jacked the concept and use it to promote their "we hate Obama even when he gives us what we want" agenda?

My experience with so called Tea Bag Party (the ones I've met hate that name and don't even consider themselves a party) are actually pretty moderate. The irony being that Beck et al are using the movement to push the moderates out of the GOP.

Thunder · 24th February 2010, 08:35 AM

Originally Posted by willhaven

It just passed the senate BTW.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010...assage-likely/

thanks to the junior Senator from Mass. maybe he isn't that bad.

hell, you can't be a Senator from Massachusetts and be a conservative jerk.

ravdin · 24th February 2010, 08:49 AM

Originally Posted by thaiboxerken

What hyperbolic comments?

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vid...ude_model.html

Quote:

"In short, in Scott Brown we have an irresponsible, homophobic, racist, reactionary, ex-nude model, teabagging supporter of violence against woman and against politicians with whom he disagrees. In any other time in our history, this man would have been laughed off the stage as an unqualified and a disaster in the making by the most conservative of conservatives. Instead, the commonwealth of Massachusetts is close to sending this bad joke to the Senate of the United States."

Shalamar · 24th February 2010, 08:53 AM

Originally Posted by parky76

thanks to the junior Senator from Mass. maybe he isn't that bad.

hell, you can't be a Senator from Massachusetts and be a conservative jerk.

I'm not surprised. The Democratic incumbent campaigned badly, but it is still a traditionally liberal state. Brown turned out to be a moderate, and actually interested in hearing what his constituents want to say.

More politicians on both sides should be moderates, in my opinion.

WildCat · 24th February 2010, 09:46 AM

And some Dem partisans on this forum mocked me for saying Brown was a moderate when they were painting him as a drooling teabagger...

MattusMaximus · 24th February 2010, 10:06 AM

Originally Posted by Donal

Depends on the Tea Baggers you are talking about. The small community groups that really weren't that tightly knit together and only really seemed to be about economic policies that they saw as favorable to the middle class that have been around for a while in a lot of places? Or the group of GOP far right wingers like Glenn Beck that high jacked the concept and use it to promote their "we hate Obama even when he gives us what we want" agenda?

Read the article. The rightwing TP-friendly media & activists seem to be losing their minds over this. And they're not just pissed at Brown, but at the other four GOP senators what went along with the vote.

As I said...

Quote:

My experience with so called Tea Bag Party (the ones I've met hate that name and don't even consider themselves a party) are actually pretty moderate. The irony being that Beck et al are using the movement to push the moderates out of the GOP.

There you go. It is, as I've been saying for a year, the moderates vs. the hardcare "we-don't-need-any-RINOs!" conservatives in the GOP... it's going to be getting more and more ugly for the GOP, methinks.

MattusMaximus · 24th February 2010, 10:07 AM

Originally Posted by WildCat

And some Dem partisans on this forum mocked me for saying Brown was a moderate when they were painting him as a drooling teabagger...

Glad I wasn't among them. Right now some people are eating a bit of crow.

JoeTheJuggler · 24th February 2010, 10:12 AM

Originally Posted by WildCat

And some Dem partisans on this forum mocked me for saying Brown was a moderate when they were painting him as a drooling teabagger...

I didn't see those claims (though I'm not denying they were made), but I did sea Tea Partisans claiming this election as a big victory for them. I believe they used words like "sent a message" and such.

ETA: I wonder where on the left-right spectrum people would place a Massachusetts Republican relative to a Texas Democrat?

Newtons Bit · 24th February 2010, 10:17 AM

Originally Posted by Beerina

Why not tax cuts across the board instead of just for firms that hire unemployed?

That would make too much sense. Now companies are more motivated to hire someone who has been out of work for six months (or whatever the requirement was) than someone who is still employed and just looking to change locations/fields/move-up.

WildCat · 24th February 2010, 10:22 AM

Originally Posted by MattusMaximus

Glad I wasn't among them. Right now some people are eating a bit of crow.

Nah, it was really just Random.

leftysergeant · 24th February 2010, 12:38 PM

Originally Posted by Beerina

Why not tax cuts across the board instead of just for firms that hire unemployed?

Giving a tax break to businesses working in the public interest and individual entrepreneurs who are contributing to the betterment of their society makes a lot more sense than shovelling money down the gaping maws of the people who have profitted from moving our industrial base off-shore.

willhaven · 24th February 2010, 12:40 PM

Originally Posted by WildCat

And some Dem partisans on this forum mocked me for saying Brown was a moderate when they were painting him as a drooling teabagger...

Anyone who would paint Brown as a teabagger when he supports abortion rights and mandatory health care in Massachusetts isn't paying attention.

leftysergeant · 24th February 2010, 12:42 PM

It is entirely possible that Brown realized that he only had one issue that appealed to the masses of Mass. They already have a better health care system than what is left of the original conmcept that the Republicans so savaged in congress.

Brown knows that his election is a fluke and that he still has to do at least something to convince the fence-sitters that he is not as great an idiot as the rest of the GOP. This was a good start.

I still don't like him.

thaiboxerken · 24th February 2010, 01:42 PM

I'm glad Brown actually is turning out to be somewhat reasonable. However, does it surprise anyone that there are those of us that questioned his ability when his biggest strength in the election was owning a truck?

22nd February 2010, 05:00 PM	#1
Thunder Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Queens Posts: 34,947	New Mass. Senator helps Dems avoid filibuster http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20100223/..._congress_jobs I hope he continues on this path of independence. His courage is appreciated and noticed.

23rd February 2010, 12:16 AM	#4
Brainster Penultimate Amazing Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 10,541	The GOP knew going in that Brown was going to be a moderate. A conservative could not have gotten elected in Massachusetts. I'm just happy he'll be a guaranteed vote against cloture on the health care bill.
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23rd February 2010, 08:30 AM	#5
Beerina Sarcastic Conqueror of Notions Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: A floating island above the clouds Posts: 23,835	Why not tax cuts across the board instead of just for firms that hire unemployed?
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23rd February 2010, 08:43 AM	#7
ravdin Illuminator Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 3,611	When the Senate seat was no longer was the property of the Kennedy family, a lot of people complained that Brown was a crazed far right winger and possibly the Antichrist himself. I wonder if Keith Olbermann and his ilk will retract their more hyperbolic comments.
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23rd February 2010, 08:55 AM	#8
MattusMaximus Intellectual Gladiator Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: In the midst of a vast, beautiful & uncaring universe Posts: 14,204	Originally Posted by ravdin When the Senate seat was no longer was the property of the Kennedy family, a lot of people complained that Brown was a crazed far right winger and possibly the Antichrist himself. I wonder if Keith Olbermann and his ilk will retract their more hyperbolic comments. I'm thinking... no Btw, good on Brown. Now there's some bipartisanship for you. But, like someone else said, I bet the rightwing TP-types are going bazoo over this right about now.
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22nd February 2010, 05:05 PM	#2
willhaven Graduate Poster Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 1,004	And he supports abortion rights, and he supported Romney's health reform for Massachusetts. I bet the hardcore right is going nuts. What's sad about the whole thing is that a republican simply backing a democratic idea makes the news.

22nd February 2010, 05:11 PM	#3
Thunder Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Queens Posts: 34,947	Originally Posted by willhaven What's sad about the whole thing is that a republican simply backing a democratic idea makes the news. its the world we live in now.

23rd February 2010, 08:32 AM	#6
Thunder Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Queens Posts: 34,947	Originally Posted by Beerina Why not tax cuts across the board instead of just for firms that hire unemployed? what...the massive 2001 and 2003 tax cuts weren't enough for you?

23rd February 2010, 10:12 PM	#9
MattusMaximus Intellectual Gladiator Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: In the midst of a vast, beautiful & uncaring universe Posts: 14,204	Originally Posted by MattusMaximus I'm thinking... no Btw, good on Brown. Now there's some bipartisanship for you. But, like someone else said, I bet the rightwing TP-types are going bazoo over this right about now. Wow, it's like I'm psychic or something. The rightwing TP-types are going bazoo over Brown's vote for the jobs bill... GOP's Brown branded turncoat for jobs bill vote Quote: A month after being crowned the darling of national conservatives, Republican Sen. Scott Brown of Massachusetts is being branded "Benedict Brown" for siding with Democrats in favor of a jobs bill endorsed by the Obama administration. Like the four other GOP senators who joined him, the man who won the late Democrat Edward Kennedy's seat says it's about jobs, not party politics. And that may be good politics, too. The four other GOP senators who broke ranks — Olympia Snowe and Susan Collins of Maine, George Voinovich of Ohio and Christopher "Kit" Bond of Missouri — also were criticized on Tuesday. But Brown was the big target on conservative Web sites, talk shows and even the Facebook page his campaign has promoted as an example of his new-media savvy. "We campaigned for you. We donated to your campaign. And you turned on us like every other RINO," said one writer, using the initials for "Republican-In-Name-Only."
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23rd February 2010, 10:37 PM	#10
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23rd February 2010, 10:39 PM	#11
thaiboxerken Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 21,090	Originally Posted by ravdin When the Senate seat was no longer was the property of the Kennedy family, a lot of people complained that Brown was a crazed far right winger and possibly the Antichrist himself. I wonder if Keith Olbermann and his ilk will retract their more hyperbolic comments. What hyperbolic comments?
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24th February 2010, 08:12 AM	#12
willhaven Graduate Poster Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 1,004	It just passed the senate BTW. http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010...assage-likely/

24th February 2010, 08:33 AM	#13
Donal Master Poster Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: NYC Posts: 2,140	Originally Posted by MattusMaximus I'm thinking... no Btw, good on Brown. Now there's some bipartisanship for you. But, like someone else said, I bet the rightwing TP-types are going bazoo over this right about now. Depends on the Tea Baggers you are talking about. The small community groups that really weren't that tightly knit together and only really seemed to be about economic policies that they saw as favorable to the middle class that have been around for a while in a lot of places? Or the group of GOP far right wingers like Glenn Beck that high jacked the concept and use it to promote their "we hate Obama even when he gives us what we want" agenda? My experience with so called Tea Bag Party (the ones I've met hate that name and don't even consider themselves a party) are actually pretty moderate. The irony being that Beck et al are using the movement to push the moderates out of the GOP.

24th February 2010, 08:35 AM	#14
Thunder Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Queens Posts: 34,947	Originally Posted by willhaven It just passed the senate BTW. http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010...assage-likely/ thanks to the junior Senator from Mass. maybe he isn't that bad. hell, you can't be a Senator from Massachusetts and be a conservative jerk.

24th February 2010, 08:49 AM	#15
ravdin Illuminator Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 3,611	Originally Posted by thaiboxerken What hyperbolic comments? http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vid...ude_model.html Quote: "In short, in Scott Brown we have an irresponsible, homophobic, racist, reactionary, ex-nude model, teabagging supporter of violence against woman and against politicians with whom he disagrees. In any other time in our history, this man would have been laughed off the stage as an unqualified and a disaster in the making by the most conservative of conservatives. Instead, the commonwealth of Massachusetts is close to sending this bad joke to the Senate of the United States."
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24th February 2010, 08:53 AM	#16
Shalamar Dark Lord of the JREF Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Super Star Destroyer Executor Posts: 2,415	Originally Posted by parky76 thanks to the junior Senator from Mass. maybe he isn't that bad. hell, you can't be a Senator from Massachusetts and be a conservative jerk. I'm not surprised. The Democratic incumbent campaigned badly, but it is still a traditionally liberal state. Brown turned out to be a moderate, and actually interested in hearing what his constituents want to say. More politicians on both sides should be moderates, in my opinion.
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24th February 2010, 09:46 AM	#17
WildCat NWO Master Conspirator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Albany Park, Chicago Posts: 49,471	And some Dem partisans on this forum mocked me for saying Brown was a moderate when they were painting him as a drooling teabagger...

24th February 2010, 10:06 AM	#18
MattusMaximus Intellectual Gladiator Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: In the midst of a vast, beautiful & uncaring universe Posts: 14,204	Originally Posted by Donal Depends on the Tea Baggers you are talking about. The small community groups that really weren't that tightly knit together and only really seemed to be about economic policies that they saw as favorable to the middle class that have been around for a while in a lot of places? Or the group of GOP far right wingers like Glenn Beck that high jacked the concept and use it to promote their "we hate Obama even when he gives us what we want" agenda? Read the article. The rightwing TP-friendly media & activists seem to be losing their minds over this. And they're not just pissed at Brown, but at the other four GOP senators what went along with the vote. As I said... Quote: My experience with so called Tea Bag Party (the ones I've met hate that name and don't even consider themselves a party) are actually pretty moderate. The irony being that Beck et al are using the movement to push the moderates out of the GOP. There you go. It is, as I've been saying for a year, the moderates vs. the hardcare "we-don't-need-any-RINOs!" conservatives in the GOP... it's going to be getting more and more ugly for the GOP, methinks.
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24th February 2010, 10:07 AM	#19
MattusMaximus Intellectual Gladiator Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: In the midst of a vast, beautiful & uncaring universe Posts: 14,204	Originally Posted by WildCat And some Dem partisans on this forum mocked me for saying Brown was a moderate when they were painting him as a drooling teabagger... Glad I wasn't among them. Right now some people are eating a bit of crow.
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JoeTheJuggler Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: St. Louis Posts: 27,173	Originally Posted by WildCat And some Dem partisans on this forum mocked me for saying Brown was a moderate when they were painting him as a drooling teabagger... I didn't see those claims (though I'm not denying they were made), but I did sea Tea Partisans claiming this election as a big victory for them. I believe they used words like "sent a message" and such. ETA: I wonder where on the left-right spectrum people would place a Massachusetts Republican relative to a Texas Democrat?
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24th February 2010, 10:22 AM	#22
WildCat NWO Master Conspirator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Albany Park, Chicago Posts: 49,471	Originally Posted by MattusMaximus Glad I wasn't among them. Right now some people are eating a bit of crow. Nah, it was really just Random.

24th February 2010, 12:38 PM	#23
leftysergeant Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Spanaway WA Posts: 18,614	Originally Posted by Beerina Why not tax cuts across the board instead of just for firms that hire unemployed? Giving a tax break to businesses working in the public interest and individual entrepreneurs who are contributing to the betterment of their society makes a lot more sense than shovelling money down the gaping maws of the people who have profitted from moving our industrial base off-shore.

24th February 2010, 12:40 PM	#24
willhaven Graduate Poster Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 1,004	Originally Posted by WildCat And some Dem partisans on this forum mocked me for saying Brown was a moderate when they were painting him as a drooling teabagger... Anyone who would paint Brown as a teabagger when he supports abortion rights and mandatory health care in Massachusetts isn't paying attention.

24th February 2010, 12:42 PM	#25
leftysergeant Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Spanaway WA Posts: 18,614	It is entirely possible that Brown realized that he only had one issue that appealed to the masses of Mass. They already have a better health care system than what is left of the original conmcept that the Republicans so savaged in congress. Brown knows that his election is a fluke and that he still has to do at least something to convince the fence-sitters that he is not as great an idiot as the rest of the GOP. This was a good start. I still don't like him.

24th February 2010, 01:42 PM	#26
thaiboxerken Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 21,090	I'm glad Brown actually is turning out to be somewhat reasonable. However, does it surprise anyone that there are those of us that questioned his ability when his biggest strength in the election was owning a truck?
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