Climategate Meets the Law - We want Gore

boyntonstu · 23rd February 2010, 05:47 AM

http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/climate...jtv-exclusive/

http://tinyurl.com/yeq28hh

"Senator James Inhofe (R-OK) today asked the Obama administration to investigate what he called “the greatest scientific scandal of our generation” — the actions of climate scientists revealed by the Climategate Files, and the subsequent admissions by the editors of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) Fourth Assessment Report (AR4).

Senator Inhofe also called for former Vice President Al Gore to be called back to the Senate to testify.

“In [Gore's] science fiction movie, every assertion has been rebutted,” Inhofe said. He believes Vice President Gore should defend himself and his movie before Congress.

This report, obtained exclusively by Pajamas Media before today’s hearing, alleges:

[The] Minority Staff of the Senate Committee on Environment and Public Works believe the scientists involved may have violated fundamental ethical principles governing taxpayer-funded research and, in some cases, federal laws. In addition to these findings, we believe the emails and accompanying documents seriously compromise the IPCC -backed “consensus” and its central conclusion that anthropogenic emissions are inexorably leading to environmental catastrophes."..........

It's about time that we get to the bottom of this mess.

Oil and water don't mix.

Neither should science and politics.

Kodiak · 23rd February 2010, 05:58 AM

Do you think that Gore's Nobel Prize is at risk?

Upchurch · 23rd February 2010, 06:20 AM

Originally Posted by boyntonstu

Senator Inhofe also called for former Vice President Al Gore to be called back to the Senate to testify.

“In [Gore's] science fiction movie, every assertion has been rebutted,” Inhofe said. He believes Vice President Gore should defend himself and his movie before Congress..."

{snip}

It's about time that we get to the bottom of this mess.

Oil and water don't mix.

Neither should science and politics.

er.... so, are you for or against Senator Inhofe's proposal to have Congress investigate a scientific matter?

mhaze · 23rd February 2010, 06:31 AM

Originally Posted by Upchurch

er.... so, are you for or against Senator Inhofe's proposal to have Congress investigate a scientific matter?

Hmmm.....

boyntonstu · 23rd February 2010, 06:41 AM

Originally Posted by Kodiak

Do you think that Gore's Nobel Prize is at risk?

I do.

How much money has Al Gore received for selling new Climate Laws?

Upchurch · 23rd February 2010, 06:43 AM

Originally Posted by mhaze

Hmmm.....

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting...3e6b7f18a4.jpg

...so, you're for politics meddling with science?

mhaze · 23rd February 2010, 06:55 AM

Originally Posted by Upchurch

...so, you're for politics meddling with science?

Geez....there are Senate and House committees dealing with science and the environment. Inhofe is the minority ranking member of that Senate committee. Read some of their transcripts to get the flavor of what goes on there.

Anyway, you've put the cart behind the horse. The problem is that politics has been meddling with this science, not that it could or would if an investigation is held.

FYI, I'm opposed to congressional investigations and favor criminal investigations, as false scientific premises my have knowingly been used to get government grants.

tyr_13 · 23rd February 2010, 09:07 AM

What, specifically, in those files points to wrongdoing?

MattusMaximus · 23rd February 2010, 09:10 AM

Originally Posted by Upchurch

...so, you're for politics meddling with science?

Apparently, only when he/she thinks it will suit their purposes

MattusMaximus · 23rd February 2010, 09:12 AM

Originally Posted by tyr_13

What, specifically, in those files points to wrongdoing?

If this is the standard "Climategate" nonsense a la Phil Jones & the CRU, then apparently the answer is "nothing"...

http://skepticalscience.com/Climateg...ils-hacked.htm

GreyICE · 23rd February 2010, 09:17 AM

Inhofe?

Isn't there kind of a crazy file where we throw Paul, Inhofe, Bachmann, et al whenever they say something?

Kodiak · 23rd February 2010, 09:26 AM

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...216723794.html

"...when CRU director Phil Jones told Australian scientist Warwick Hughes in a 2005 email: "Why should I make the data available to you, when your aim is to try and find something wrong with it.""

tyr_13 · 23rd February 2010, 09:39 AM

Originally Posted by MattusMaximus

If this is the standard "Climategate" nonsense a la Phil Jones & the CRU, then apparently the answer is "nothing"...

http://skepticalscience.com/Climateg...ils-hacked.htm

Shhhh, I already knew the answer! It was a trap.

Captain.Sassy · 23rd February 2010, 12:11 PM

Originally Posted by tyr_13

What, specifically, in those files points to wrongdoing?

Buddy it's a lost cause. It's like bouncing a rubber ball off of a brick wall.

Mann was basically exonerated of any scientific malfeasance in his university's investiagion. Doesn't make a lick of difference to these folks.

GreNME · 23rd February 2010, 12:15 PM

Textbook. Focus on a single person as a "spokesman" to rally against.

fullflavormenthol · 23rd February 2010, 12:24 PM

A pathetic attempt by a minority party Senetar to politicise the non-issue dubbed "climategate". Al Gore was the spokesperson for a movie. Bringing him before Congress is nothing more than a political move. On side note, Gore is at no risk of loosing his Nobel prize.

leftysergeant · 23rd February 2010, 12:56 PM

Inhofe has no particular credentials to head an environment-related committee. He's a bean counter. He has a vested interest in stopping science that impedes laissez faire capitalism.

The only environmental call the fool has gotten right was his stance on soot.

a_unique_person · 23rd February 2010, 02:03 PM

Originally Posted by boyntonstu

“In [Gore's] science fiction movie, every assertion has been rebutted,” Inhofe said.

That is a lie, that no one can defend. "Every assertion"? He has just scuttled his own ship.

mhaze · 23rd February 2010, 04:36 PM

But some heads need to roll. Why not Gore's?

We should be able to all agree on that.

He's an embarrasment to the Warmers.

Wouldn't the world be a better place if he had to spend some time in his little room?

leftysergeant · 23rd February 2010, 04:49 PM

Put Warwick Hughes in that cage. He's probably the low life who hacked them.

GreNME · 23rd February 2010, 05:50 PM

Originally Posted by mhaze

But some heads need to roll. Why not Gore's?

We should be able to all agree on that.

He's an embarrasment to the Warmers.

Wouldn't the world be a better place if he had to spend some time in his little room?

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting...3e6b7f18a4.jpg

Awesome. It's like you're the spokesmodel for my list.

Iamme · 23rd February 2010, 06:19 PM

Have the sea levels really been rising, because glaciers have been melting? I hear and even see depictions of what our coastal cities may look like once inundulated. But ARE the waters rising now?

Redtail · 23rd February 2010, 06:26 PM

Originally Posted by mhaze

But some heads need to roll. Why not Gore's?

We should be able to all agree on that.

He's an embarrasment to the Warmers.

Wouldn't the world be a better place if he had to spend some time in his little room?

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting...3e6b7f18a4.jpg

And if we find a large group of penguins that we didn't know about we can lock Morgan Freeman up!

leftysergeant · 23rd February 2010, 06:59 PM

Warwick Hughes belongs in jail along with Andrew Breitbart.

You are entitled to your own opinion, but not to your own reality. That's what the radical right is doing now with hackers and wire tappers and slimebags who film people in secret and edit the hell out of the footage.

Poe be damned, these people are using Hitlerian tactics, and have about as much regard for the future of humanity.

a_unique_person · 23rd February 2010, 07:02 PM

Originally Posted by Iamme

Have the sea levels really been rising, because glaciers have been melting? I hear and even see depictions of what our coastal cities may look like once inundulated. But ARE the waters rising now?

Sea levels are rising, now. The main reason at present is because of the ocean warming. Warm water expands.

Hallo Alfie · 23rd February 2010, 07:06 PM

Um, I don't know who these guys are exactly, but don't you think the "Hitlerian tactics" would actually be to jail those with opposing views. Silence the dissenters.

When do we have the AGW equivalent of Nacht der langen Messer?

lionking · 23rd February 2010, 07:09 PM

Originally Posted by leftysergeant

Warwick Hughes belongs in jail along with Andrew Breitbart.

Jeez you have simple solutions lefty. Anyone you disagree with belongs in the slammer.

leftysergeant · 23rd February 2010, 07:12 PM

Originally Posted by A.A.Alfie

Um, I don't know who these guys are exactly, but don't you think the "Hitlerian tactics" would actually be to jail those with opposing views. Silence the dissenters.

Creating an illusion that someone else has committed a crime when they have not is a prisonable felony. Breitbart and Hughes are not dissenters. They are liars and slanderers and enemies of civilization.

Lok, because of Hughes and dirtbags like him, you now see angry morons screaming to have scientific reseaerch defunded. He isn't a scientist, and his actions are not dissent.

Hallo Alfie · 23rd February 2010, 07:28 PM

Originally Posted by leftysergeant

Creating an illusion that someone else has committed a crime when they have not is a prisonable felony. Breitbart and Hughes are not dissenters. They are liars and slanderers and enemies of civilization.

Lok, because of Hughes and dirtbags like him, you now see angry morons screaming to have scientific reseaerch defunded. He isn't a scientist, and his actions are not dissent.

Again, I don't know these guys, but they aren't the only ones. Nor did they start the 'campaign against science', that was initiated elsewhere and they are just a part of the ongoing debate. From the sounds of it they are on the right wing fringe - and as per the left wing fringe, I personally I have no time for them.
But by locking them up you are denying them the freedom of speech and that should probably be the subject of a completely different thread. And that is Hitlerian.
And once you start with them, where do you stop?

leftysergeant · 23rd February 2010, 07:39 PM

Originally Posted by A.A.Alfie

But by locking them up you are denying them the freedom of speech and that should probably be the subject of a completely different thread. And that is Hitlerian.
And once you start with them, where do you stop?

Limit it to hackers and wire tappers and inciters of violence.

Bye-bye Breitbart, Hughes and the pimp, the ho and the wannabe spy.

BenBurch · 23rd February 2010, 07:55 PM

Originally Posted by leftysergeant

Limit it to hackers and wire tappers and inciters of violence.

Bye-bye Breitbart, Hughes and the pimp, the ho and the wannabe spy.

I say we just let Mossad deal with them as it sees fit.

Hallo Alfie · 23rd February 2010, 08:03 PM

And next will be who, the truthers I suppose. Then creationists, pet owners, abortionists and so on. Where does it stop, and why would it stop?
You cry nazi tactics yet wish to treat it with more of the same.

I'm not defending them mind you, I am genuinely interested in where this might take us. But as I say, probably a topic for a new thread.

leftysergeant · 23rd February 2010, 08:32 PM

Originally Posted by A.A.Alfie

And next will be who, the truthers I suppose. Then creationists, pet owners, abortionists and so on. Where does it stop, and why would it stop?

With people who attempt to lie to bring legal sanctions against others and incite violence.

That would probably grab a few twoofers like AJ and Bollyn and Hufschmid.

Hallo Alfie · 23rd February 2010, 09:18 PM

Lawyers, politicians, and virtually every human being in existence lies. Many tell tales for advantage - not just to get to court. Should we go at them too?

What of Mandela - he incited violence and uprising. What would you have done with him? Or Malcolm X, Ghandi, your own coutries 'fathers'?
Others felt they told lies, some used the law to their own purposes too.
What would you have done with them?

There are scanctions for perjury and mischievous litigation already so if they were succesful in gettin others to court, would not that be a good thing?

I am reminded of Voltaire when he said to Rousseau:

Quote:

"I do not agree with a word you say, but I will fight to the death for your right to say it".

In a 'free' country I think that this is applicable here too, is it not?

eta. It is part of the reason why I love JREF too. Differences of opinion are good and robust debate is wonderful - even the nutjobs add some spice and colour. It takes a lot to make up a vibrant community and we need every one.

carlvs · 23rd February 2010, 09:58 PM

Originally Posted by BenBurch

I say we just let Mossad deal with them as it sees fit.

I think it would be far better if we loaded them onto a rocket and sent them to Venus. After all, considering how much CO2 is in that planet's atmosphere, it should be a paradise compared to Earth. In fact, they would likely want to stay there permanently, which means that we only have to prepare said spaceship for a one-way trip ...

UnrepentantSinner · 24th February 2010, 12:44 AM

Originally Posted by GreNME

Awesome. It's like you're the spokesmodel for my list.

Zing!

leftysergeant · 24th February 2010, 05:19 AM

Originally Posted by A.A.Alfie

Lawyers, politicians, and virtually every human being in existence lies. Many tell tales for advantage - not just to get to court. Should we go at them too?

Freedom of speech does not extend to shouting FIRE in a crowded theater. Creeps like the hacker, Breitbart and the pimp and sleaze do not intend to take anyone to court, they know they would wind up in jail themselves. But they do want to stir up public passions in support of political movements which can only work to harm other people's freedom.

They lie to suppress dissent

Quote:

What of Mandela - he incited violence and uprising. What would you have done with him? Or Malcolm X, Ghandi, your own coutries 'fathers'?
Others felt they told lies, some used the law to their own purposes too.
What would you have done with them?

Given that the end was to overthrow tyranical governments, it is praiseworthy. The differejnce is that the hacker and the Breitbart sludge are tools of tyranny.

Quote:

There are scanctions for perjury and mischievous litigation already so if they were succesful in gettin others to court, would not that be a good thing?

No, because the public memory has already been poisoned, and, just like twoofers, AGW deniers and Teabagger lunatics prefer their lies over reality, may even try again to rouse passions on behalf of their "oppressed" fellow nutjobs when the courts do rightfully slap them down.

They have too much in common with the idiot who went kamikaze on the IRS.

mhaze · 24th February 2010, 02:53 PM

Originally Posted by A.A.Alfie

Lawyers, politicians, and virtually every human being in existence lies. Many tell tales for advantage - not just to get to court. Should we go at them too?....

Why, no, of course not. But this climate thing is so divisive, and we have an opportunity here to put it behind us by locating, agreeing on, and bringing up on charges well, one of the usual suspects.

And you gotta admit whose face comes to mind....so can't we reach agreement on this? Just think of the entertainment value as he tries to stammer his way through real science questions. And look - it'd be a veritable cathartic healing process for the country. So many good things would come of...

daredelvis · 24th February 2010, 03:05 PM

Originally Posted by mhaze

Why, no, of course not. But this climate thing is so divisive, and we have an opportunity here to put it behind us by locating, agreeing on, and bringing up on charges well, one of the usual suspects.

I agree, it would be awesome to see Inhofe answer questions under oath.

Daredelvis

geni · 24th February 2010, 03:09 PM

Originally Posted by boyntonstu

http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/climate...jtv-exclusive/

http://tinyurl.com/yeq28hh

"Senator James Inhofe (R-OK) today asked the Obama administration to investigate what he called “the greatest scientific scandal of our generation”

That korean cloning thing? Thats already been pretty much settled. Dito the Shinichi Fujimura mess.

23rd February 2010, 05:47 AM	#1
boyntonstu Banned Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 916	Climategate Meets the Law - We want Gore http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/climate...jtv-exclusive/ http://tinyurl.com/yeq28hh "Senator James Inhofe (R-OK) today asked the Obama administration to investigate what he called “the greatest scientific scandal of our generation” — the actions of climate scientists revealed by the Climategate Files, and the subsequent admissions by the editors of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) Fourth Assessment Report (AR4). Senator Inhofe also called for former Vice President Al Gore to be called back to the Senate to testify. “In [Gore's] science fiction movie, every assertion has been rebutted,” Inhofe said. He believes Vice President Gore should defend himself and his movie before Congress. This report, obtained exclusively by Pajamas Media before today’s hearing, alleges: [The] Minority Staff of the Senate Committee on Environment and Public Works believe the scientists involved may have violated fundamental ethical principles governing taxpayer-funded research and, in some cases, federal laws. In addition to these findings, we believe the emails and accompanying documents seriously compromise the IPCC -backed “consensus” and its central conclusion that anthropogenic emissions are inexorably leading to environmental catastrophes.".......... It's about time that we get to the bottom of this mess. Oil and water don't mix. Neither should science and politics.

23rd February 2010, 05:58 AM	#2
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23rd February 2010, 06:31 AM	#4
mhaze Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Woo*(+-1.10)^20=AGWwoo Posts: 15,395	Originally Posted by Upchurch er.... so, are you for or against Senator Inhofe's proposal to have Congress investigate a scientific matter? Hmmm.....
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23rd February 2010, 06:55 AM	#7
mhaze Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Woo*(+-1.10)^20=AGWwoo Posts: 15,395	Originally Posted by Upchurch ...so, you're for politics meddling with science? Geez....there are Senate and House committees dealing with science and the environment. Inhofe is the minority ranking member of that Senate committee. Read some of their transcripts to get the flavor of what goes on there. Anyway, you've put the cart behind the horse. The problem is that politics has been meddling with this science, not that it could or would if an investigation is held. FYI, I'm opposed to congressional investigations and favor criminal investigations, as false scientific premises my have knowingly been used to get government grants.
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23rd February 2010, 09:07 AM	#8
tyr_13 Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Falconer, NY Posts: 9,677	What, specifically, in those files points to wrongdoing?
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23rd February 2010, 06:20 AM	#3
Upchurch Papa Funkosophy Join Date: May 2002 Location: Funky Town (STL, MO) Posts: 23,428	Originally Posted by boyntonstu Senator Inhofe also called for former Vice President Al Gore to be called back to the Senate to testify. “In [Gore's] science fiction movie, every assertion has been rebutted,” Inhofe said. He believes Vice President Gore should defend himself and his movie before Congress..." {snip} It's about time that we get to the bottom of this mess. Oil and water don't mix. Neither should science and politics. er.... so, are you for or against Senator Inhofe's proposal to have Congress investigate a scientific matter?

23rd February 2010, 06:41 AM	#5
boyntonstu Banned Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 916	Originally Posted by Kodiak Do you think that Gore's Nobel Prize is at risk? I do. How much money has Al Gore received for selling new Climate Laws?

23rd February 2010, 06:43 AM	#6
Upchurch Papa Funkosophy Join Date: May 2002 Location: Funky Town (STL, MO) Posts: 23,428	Originally Posted by mhaze Hmmm..... http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting...3e6b7f18a4.jpg ...so, you're for politics meddling with science?

23rd February 2010, 09:10 AM	#9
MattusMaximus Intellectual Gladiator Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: In the midst of a vast, beautiful & uncaring universe Posts: 14,175	Originally Posted by Upchurch ...so, you're for politics meddling with science? Apparently, only when he/she thinks it will suit their purposes
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23rd February 2010, 09:12 AM	#10
MattusMaximus Intellectual Gladiator Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: In the midst of a vast, beautiful & uncaring universe Posts: 14,175	Originally Posted by tyr_13 What, specifically, in those files points to wrongdoing? If this is the standard "Climategate" nonsense a la Phil Jones & the CRU, then apparently the answer is "nothing"... http://skepticalscience.com/Climateg...ils-hacked.htm
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23rd February 2010, 09:17 AM	#11
GreyICE Guest Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 7,173	Inhofe? Isn't there kind of a crazy file where we throw Paul, Inhofe, Bachmann, et al whenever they say something?
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23rd February 2010, 09:26 AM	#12
Kodiak Ursus arctos middendorffi Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Eastpointe Posts: 3,279	http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...216723794.html "...when CRU director Phil Jones told Australian scientist Warwick Hughes in a 2005 email: "Why should I make the data available to you, when your aim is to try and find something wrong with it.""
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23rd February 2010, 09:39 AM	#13
tyr_13 Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Falconer, NY Posts: 9,677	Originally Posted by MattusMaximus If this is the standard "Climategate" nonsense a la Phil Jones & the CRU, then apparently the answer is "nothing"... http://skepticalscience.com/Climateg...ils-hacked.htm Shhhh, I already knew the answer! It was a trap.
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23rd February 2010, 12:11 PM	#14
Captain.Sassy Master Poster Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 2,180	Originally Posted by tyr_13 What, specifically, in those files points to wrongdoing? Buddy it's a lost cause. It's like bouncing a rubber ball off of a brick wall. Mann was basically exonerated of any scientific malfeasance in his university's investiagion. Doesn't make a lick of difference to these folks.
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23rd February 2010, 12:24 PM	#16
fullflavormenthol Master Poster Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 2,417	A pathetic attempt by a minority party Senetar to politicise the non-issue dubbed "climategate". Al Gore was the spokesperson for a movie. Bringing him before Congress is nothing more than a political move. On side note, Gore is at no risk of loosing his Nobel prize.

23rd February 2010, 12:56 PM	#17
leftysergeant Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Spanaway WA Posts: 18,613	Inhofe has no particular credentials to head an environment-related committee. He's a bean counter. He has a vested interest in stopping science that impedes laissez faire capitalism. The only environmental call the fool has gotten right was his stance on soot.

23rd February 2010, 02:03 PM	#18
a_unique_person Director of Hatcheries and Conditioning Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Mt Disappointment Posts: 33,331	Originally Posted by boyntonstu “In [Gore's] science fiction movie, every assertion has been rebutted,” Inhofe said. That is a lie, that no one can defend. "Every assertion"? He has just scuttled his own ship.
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23rd February 2010, 04:36 PM	#19
mhaze Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Woo*(+-1.10)^20=AGWwoo Posts: 15,395	But some heads need to roll. Why not Gore's? We should be able to all agree on that. He's an embarrasment to the Warmers. Wouldn't the world be a better place if he had to spend some time in his little room?
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23rd February 2010, 04:49 PM	#20
leftysergeant Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Spanaway WA Posts: 18,613	Put Warwick Hughes in that cage. He's probably the low life who hacked them.

23rd February 2010, 05:50 PM	#21
GreNME Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Folsom Prison Posts: 8,283	Originally Posted by mhaze But some heads need to roll. Why not Gore's? We should be able to all agree on that. He's an embarrasment to the Warmers. Wouldn't the world be a better place if he had to spend some time in his little room? http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting...3e6b7f18a4.jpg Awesome. It's like you're the spokesmodel for my list.
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23rd February 2010, 06:19 PM	#22
Iamme Illuminator Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Western Wisconsin Posts: 4,622	Have the sea levels really been rising, because glaciers have been melting? I hear and even see depictions of what our coastal cities may look like once inundulated. But ARE the waters rising now?
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23rd February 2010, 06:26 PM	#23
Redtail Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 9,304	Originally Posted by mhaze But some heads need to roll. Why not Gore's? We should be able to all agree on that. He's an embarrasment to the Warmers. Wouldn't the world be a better place if he had to spend some time in his little room? http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting...3e6b7f18a4.jpg And if we find a large group of penguins that we didn't know about we can lock Morgan Freeman up!
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23rd February 2010, 06:59 PM	#24
leftysergeant Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Spanaway WA Posts: 18,613	Warwick Hughes belongs in jail along with Andrew Breitbart. You are entitled to your own opinion, but not to your own reality. That's what the radical right is doing now with hackers and wire tappers and slimebags who film people in secret and edit the hell out of the footage. Poe be damned, these people are using Hitlerian tactics, and have about as much regard for the future of humanity.

23rd February 2010, 07:02 PM	#25
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23rd February 2010, 07:06 PM	#26
Hallo Alfie Alexithymically superadjusted Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Melbourne Australia Posts: 10,015	Um, I don't know who these guys are exactly, but don't you think the "Hitlerian tactics" would actually be to jail those with opposing views. Silence the dissenters. When do we have the AGW equivalent of Nacht der langen Messer?
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23rd February 2010, 07:09 PM	#27
lionking In the Peanut Gallery Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Melbourne Posts: 29,673	Originally Posted by leftysergeant Warwick Hughes belongs in jail along with Andrew Breitbart. Jeez you have simple solutions lefty. Anyone you disagree with belongs in the slammer.
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23rd February 2010, 07:12 PM	#28
leftysergeant Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Spanaway WA Posts: 18,613	Originally Posted by A.A.Alfie Um, I don't know who these guys are exactly, but don't you think the "Hitlerian tactics" would actually be to jail those with opposing views. Silence the dissenters. Creating an illusion that someone else has committed a crime when they have not is a prisonable felony. Breitbart and Hughes are not dissenters. They are liars and slanderers and enemies of civilization. Lok, because of Hughes and dirtbags like him, you now see angry morons screaming to have scientific reseaerch defunded. He isn't a scientist, and his actions are not dissent.

23rd February 2010, 07:28 PM	#29
Hallo Alfie Alexithymically superadjusted Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Melbourne Australia Posts: 10,015	Originally Posted by leftysergeant Creating an illusion that someone else has committed a crime when they have not is a prisonable felony. Breitbart and Hughes are not dissenters. They are liars and slanderers and enemies of civilization. Lok, because of Hughes and dirtbags like him, you now see angry morons screaming to have scientific reseaerch defunded. He isn't a scientist, and his actions are not dissent. Again, I don't know these guys, but they aren't the only ones. Nor did they start the 'campaign against science', that was initiated elsewhere and they are just a part of the ongoing debate. From the sounds of it they are on the right wing fringe - and as per the left wing fringe, I personally I have no time for them. But by locking them up you are denying them the freedom of speech and that should probably be the subject of a completely different thread. And that is Hitlerian. And once you start with them, where do you stop?
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23rd February 2010, 07:39 PM	#30
leftysergeant Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Spanaway WA Posts: 18,613	Originally Posted by A.A.Alfie But by locking them up you are denying them the freedom of speech and that should probably be the subject of a completely different thread. And that is Hitlerian. And once you start with them, where do you stop? Limit it to hackers and wire tappers and inciters of violence. Bye-bye Breitbart, Hughes and the pimp, the ho and the wannabe spy.

23rd February 2010, 07:55 PM	#31
BenBurch Gatekeeper of The Left Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: The Universe 35.2 ms ahead of this one. Posts: 32,219	Originally Posted by leftysergeant Limit it to hackers and wire tappers and inciters of violence. Bye-bye Breitbart, Hughes and the pimp, the ho and the wannabe spy. I say we just let Mossad deal with them as it sees fit.
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23rd February 2010, 08:03 PM	#32
Hallo Alfie Alexithymically superadjusted Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Melbourne Australia Posts: 10,015	And next will be who, the truthers I suppose. Then creationists, pet owners, abortionists and so on. Where does it stop, and why would it stop? You cry nazi tactics yet wish to treat it with more of the same. I'm not defending them mind you, I am genuinely interested in where this might take us. But as I say, probably a topic for a new thread.
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23rd February 2010, 08:32 PM	#33
leftysergeant Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Spanaway WA Posts: 18,613	Originally Posted by A.A.Alfie And next will be who, the truthers I suppose. Then creationists, pet owners, abortionists and so on. Where does it stop, and why would it stop? With people who attempt to lie to bring legal sanctions against others and incite violence. That would probably grab a few twoofers like AJ and Bollyn and Hufschmid.

23rd February 2010, 09:18 PM	#34
Hallo Alfie Alexithymically superadjusted Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Melbourne Australia Posts: 10,015	Lawyers, politicians, and virtually every human being in existence lies. Many tell tales for advantage - not just to get to court. Should we go at them too? What of Mandela - he incited violence and uprising. What would you have done with him? Or Malcolm X, Ghandi, your own coutries 'fathers'? Others felt they told lies, some used the law to their own purposes too. What would you have done with them? There are scanctions for perjury and mischievous litigation already so if they were succesful in gettin others to court, would not that be a good thing? I am reminded of Voltaire when he said to Rousseau: Quote: *"I do not agree with a word you say, but I will fight to the death for your right to say it".* In a 'free' country I think that this is applicable here too, is it not? eta. It is part of the reason why I love JREF too. Differences of opinion are good and robust debate is wonderful - even the nutjobs add some spice and colour. It takes a lot to make up a vibrant community and we need every one.
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23rd February 2010, 09:58 PM	#35
carlvs Thinker Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 185	Originally Posted by BenBurch I say we just let Mossad deal with them as it sees fit. I think it would be far better if we loaded them onto a rocket and sent them to Venus. After all, considering how much CO2 is in that planet's atmosphere, it should be a paradise compared to Earth. In fact, they would likely want to stay there permanently, which means that we only have to prepare said spaceship for a one-way trip ...
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